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Topic: cedivad is gathering funs for legel action against HashFast (Read 1841 times)

legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
Getting my sense of humour back doesn't mean that i'm gonna see more than 25% of my investment back, tough. It just means that after a few hours of answering to your trolling posts i start to see a funny pattern.

Informing you that you have no case, no leg to stand on, and no basis for legal action at this time, isn't trolling.

OTOH, your persistent insisting that the T&C to which you agreed's Dec 31 guaranteed delivery date is ambiguous does constitute trolling.

That's why nobody gave you a single Satoshi (and instead mocked your delusions) in your begging threads.   Cheesy
legendary
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Getting my sense of humour back doesn't mean that i'm gonna see more than 25% of my investment back, tough. It just means that after a few hours of answering to your trolling posts i start to see a funny pattern.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
At least your last post was funny. Thanks.

 Smiley  You're very welcome!

Getting your sense of humor back means you're moving along the road to recovery.

Changing your angry, accusative signature to something more calm and rational would be another healthy step forward on that path.
legendary
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At least your last post was funny. Thanks.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
My opinion is that HashFast is untrustworthy. They represented something overly optimistic to make more sales, but put their actual expectations into the contract. My advice is to seek your refund per this thread:

http://www.justanswer.com/consumer-protection-law/82mir-made-pre-order-online-product-august-9-2013.html

It is probable that you will only get the dollar amount of the Bitcoins you paid.
Thank you for the link. I will crosspost your quote in my thread if you don't mind.

That shyster 'consumer protection lawyer' doesn't know WTF he's talking about and should stick to representing victims of McDonald's coffee burns.

There is nothing ambiguous about the guaranteed delivery date.

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All of the 550 Baby Jet units from Hashfast’s first production batch are guaranteed for delivery by December 31, 2013.
- https://hashfast.com/checkout/terms-of-sale/

Now we know what happened to Saul after he skipped town!



"Have fun in arbitration!"
legendary
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My opinion is that HashFast is untrustworthy. They represented something overly optimistic to make more sales, but put their actual expectations into the contract. My advice is to seek your refund per this thread:

http://www.justanswer.com/consumer-protection-law/82mir-made-pre-order-online-product-august-9-2013.html

It is probable that you will only get the dollar amount of the Bitcoins you paid.
Thank you for the link. I will crosspost your quote in my thread if you don't mind.
member
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My opinion is that HashFast is untrustworthy. They represented something overly optimistic to make more sales, but put their actual expectations into the contract. My advice is to seek your refund per this thread:

http://www.justanswer.com/consumer-protection-law/82mir-made-pre-order-online-product-august-9-2013.html

It is probable that you will only get the dollar amount of the Bitcoins you paid.

legendary
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I closed that thread and continued in a new one where i stated that i wasen't looking for anyone's money, but yes, that makes me a layer. Keep believing that.

Will you start to trow that around for the next months too (until when hf delivers?)
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
What kind of idiot would make a thread called "Gathering funds for legal action against HashFast" when they aren't actually doing that?
The same idiot that decided to start with his owns money and take community's money only if people decided to join me later.

TIL it's possible to gather money from yourself, and it (somehow) makes sense to create a thread for the sole purpose of announcing such a solo adventure.

Correction -
You made TWO threads publicly announcing your self-gathering fund effort.

Correction to correction -
You failed to gather any interest in (and only scorn for) your absurd legal tantrum adventure, so you decided to double down and go it alone out of sheer malice and spite, heedless of the facts.  And you accused everyone who tried to give you a clue of being a paid shill using a sockpuppet account.

What gall; how boorish!

Update to corrected correction -
cedivad is a liar:

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https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3398182

Address: 1PrdHS7HQjhZpEnkWiGx15Pr1J3C6B4NfR
Please contribute however you can.
legendary
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What kind of idiot would make a thread called "Gathering funds for legal action against HashFast" when they aren't actually doing that?
The same idiot that decided to start with his owns money and take community's money only if people decided to join me later.
What an idiot i'm.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
i'm not trying to raise anything as of now. I will start with my own funds, if the case has a base, others will join me.

Since that HF will miss their mid november deadline there will be all the time needed.

You're "not trying to raise anything as of now?"

Funny, the self-moderated thread you created and foolishly chose to exclude me from demonstrates the exact opposite.

What kind of idiot would make a thread called "Gathering funds for legal action against HashFast" when they aren't actually doing that?

Until HashFast fails to deliver by Dec 31 and then refuses to issue refunds, you have no basis for any legal action.

legendary
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Customers are entitled to full refunds if they cancel their order, independently from the promised shipping date of a preorder. Full point.
Remember that this does not apply to on-demand built stuff.
Courts have to clarify first if it's really an on-demand order or just a preorder for a mass-produced article. I'm totally with you if it's the second one.

Every BabyJet is 100% identical to every other BabyJet. Mass produced. Refunds must be available at any time.
legendary
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I'm still interested in how much they pay you. Also, what is the kind of skills required for your work? I guess it can't be really that easy.
Anyway, to answer your last post attempt, i'm not trying to raise anything as of now. I will start with my own funds, if the case has a base, others will join me.

Since that HF will miss their mid november deadline there will be all the time needed.
legendary
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Did you have Dec 31 in your ToS?

I did.

And ^that^ is why you have no case.

Please send me 1 Bitcoin to cover the cost of my valuable legal advice.

You did manage to raise at least 1 Bitcoin in your "gathering funds" thread, didn't you?

 Cheesy
legendary
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And let's not forget that the firsts batch 1 customers never had that date on their ToS.

Wrong again.  Some batch 1 customers did have "that date" on their ToS.

Did you have Dec 31 in your ToS?
I did.
The first half of batch 1 didn't.

So, i'm not wrong.

You are.

I'm wrong because i keep replying to you.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
And let's not forget that the firsts batch 1 customers never had that date on their ToS.

Wrong again.  Some batch 1 customers did have "that date" on their ToS.

Did you have Dec 31 in your ToS?
legendary
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And let's not forget that the firsts batch 1 customers never had that date on their ToS.
I keep forgetting about them.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
When will you stop lying?

When will you learn to read?

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3. DELIVERY AND QUANTITIES.
(a) Guaranteed Baby Jet Delivery Dates – Batch 1. All of the 550 Baby Jet units from Hashfast’s first production batch are guaranteed for delivery by December 31, 2013.

When will you learn to only risk what you can afford to lose?

When will you learn to stop blaming others for your own lack of due diligence and responsibility?
legendary
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I only deleted your posts from my thread. Any moderator can confirm that.
When will you stop lying?
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
Customers are entitled to full refunds if they cancel their order, independently from the promised shipping date of a preorder. Full point.

Is there still someone other than you missing the point?

Well, that certainly is your opinion.  Of course, you don't know the difference between an FTC rule and an actual law, so that opinion counts for very little.

From https://hashfast.com/checkout/terms-of-sale:

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3. DELIVERY AND QUANTITIES.
(a) Guaranteed Baby Jet Delivery Dates – Batch 1. All of the 550 Baby Jet units from Hashfast’s first production batch are guaranteed for delivery by December 31, 2013.

Many people don't agree with your points and POV.

But you deleted their posts, like a coward afraid to defend his hasty conclusions from inconvenient scrutiny.
legendary
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Customers are entitled to full refunds if they cancel their order, independently from the promised shipping date of a preorder. Full point.
Remember that this does not apply to on-demand built stuff.
Courts have to clarify first if it's really an on-demand order or just a preorder for a mass-produced article. I'm totally with you if it's the second one.
legendary
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Again, you are making things up.

Customers are entitled to full refunds if they cancel their order, independently from the promised shipping date of a preorder. Full point.

Is there still someone other than you missing the point?
hero member
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Oh when you said:

cedivad is gathering funs for legel action against HashFast

You meant:

Cedivad is gathering funds for legal action against HashFast

to which I say....


SERIOUSLY??

Let me find some BFL customers for you to speak to.

You don't know what LATE is.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
Do federal consumer protection laws apply to HF?

I already responded to this question in the other thread, but you deleted the post because you didn't like the answer.

BTW, exactly what "law" "obligates" HashFast to "ship within 30-60days or have to provide a refund?"

Are you referring to the Ultimate Law of Things Pulled Directly From MikeyVeez' Ass, Section 1159 Article 14 Chapter 5?   Cheesy


Here you go mental handicap:

When You Must Cancel an Order

You must cancel an order and provide a prompt refund when:the customer exercises any option to cancel before you ship the merchandise;

http://www.business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule

If I ask for a refund before you have shipped the order your are required by law to issue one. Of course this discussion has been going on since BFL/Avalon the fact that you have no clue about this simple law shows your mental retardation.

 Roll Eyes  You are playing Internet Lawyer, and don't know the diff between a rule and a law.   Roll Eyes

Also, your links clearly says the 30 day rule only applies in the absence of a time stated by the seller:

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If, after taking the customer’s order, you learn that you cannot ship within the time you stated  or within 30 days, you must seek the customer’s consent to the delayed shipment. If you cannot obtain the customer’s consent to the delay -- either because it is not a situation in which you are permitted to treat the customer’s silence as consent and the customer has not expressly consented to the delay, or because the customer has expressly refused to consent -- y
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I know FTC laws apply to selling within US, but internationally?  The definition of "consumer" might also be iffy when dealing with big pricey lots of (potentially custom-built) industrial HW.  Honestly don't know.
legendary
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English is not my first language. Yet, i don't see the mistake i did in that phrase. Please, show me your deep knowledge.
I will reply by asking a better question.

Do federal consumer protection laws apply to HF?

You can troll how much you want on your points, but you won't win any fans - they already knows your pathetic techniques.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
I think to be able to read and to do a critical evaluation of some text.

I read contracts in English from when i was 15, after all. Thanks anyway for your trust.

"I think to be able to read and to do a critical evaluation of some text?"

What is this gibberish?  You can't even a complete, grammatically correct sentence.  And you expect us to you can read a contract?

Yes or no, do the Terms and Conditions to which you agreed state a deadline of Dec 31?

Please answer with a simple yes or no.  We don't want you to further embarrass/possible injure yourself trying to another sentence, after all.   Wink
sr. member
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Oddly enough, when I spoke with Eduardo he assured me all ROI metrics were evaluated (by HF) in BTC.

Yes, they have said that a few times.
legendary
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I'm sincerely interested in knowing how much your services sells for, icebreaker.
I really don't want to lose time arguing on every other lay you posted...

Personally I don't think cedivad has a leg to stand on. IIRC he doesn't even have a copy of the terms of sale he agreed to.  It also appears as though he isn't (wasn't?) able to critically evaluate the ToS as it is.
1) I personally think i do.
2) I have a copy of the terms; i was asking a copy of the terms of the people that agreed before me.
3) I think to be able to read and to do a critical evaluation of some text. I read contracts in English from when i was 15, after all. Thanks anyway for your trust.
hero member
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if you want to measure your ROI in USD..fine by me -- i prefer not to lose btc. Hashfast trying to twist the fact that customers are losing BTC but potentially gaining USD (due to exchange rate) is disingenuous.


Oddly enough, when I spoke with Eduardo he assured me all ROI metrics were evaluated (by HF) in BTC.

I feel sorry for anyone that owns a hashfast preorder thinking that we would at least get RIO. I dont see them meeting mid nov deadline. They over price the hardware only selling the idea that they will ship starting oct 20.
legendary
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if you want to measure your ROI in USD..fine by me -- i prefer not to lose btc. Hashfast trying to twist the fact that customers are losing BTC but potentially gaining USD (due to exchange rate) is disingenuous.


Oddly enough, when I spoke with Eduardo he assured me all ROI metrics were evaluated (by HF) in BTC.
hero member
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Hi kaerf,

Hashfast paid their NRE and (unlike Cointerra) taped-out in August:


yes, that's my point...they spent the money already (and tape-out was announced in Sept). i should have used the word "needed" instead of "need".


Miners look at ROI in both BTC and USD.  Otherwise, they would keep mining even if BTC crashed to zero and electricity went to the moon.

Of course I had hoped to at least break even in BTC, but the very real chance to break even in fiat is a good consolation prize.

if you want to measure your ROI in USD..fine by me -- i prefer not to lose btc. Hashfast trying to twist the fact that customers are losing BTC but potentially gaining USD (due to exchange rate) is disingenuous.
legendary
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Personally I don't think cedivad has a leg to stand on.  IIRC he doesn't even have a copy of the terms of sale he agreed to.  It also appears as though he isn't (wasn't?) able to critically evaluate the ToS as it is.

I'm interested to hear legitimate discussion on the topic, not because I'm interested in legal action though.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
It isn't HashFast's fault cedivad can't comprehend a simple Terms and Conditions agreement specifying DEC 31 as the deadline after which refunds are issued.

Oct 20th - 30th is (obviously) the old range for the anticipated start of shipping, and (obviously) not the entirety of guaranteed shipping dates.

HashFast never promised to start shipping Batch 1 on Oct 20th.

HashFast never promised to finish shipping Batch 1 on Oct 30th.

HashFast never committed to shipping all Batch 1 orders in 10 days.

That interpretation is prima facie absurd and cedivad is going to be laughed out of court.

EDIT: Even if cedivad has the best lawyer he can afford...

legendary
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Prolog:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/gathering-funds-for-legal-action-against-hashfast-troll-free-318706

Since cedivad won't allow pefectly reasonable, on-topic discussion such as this

The honest path would have been for HashFast to simply admit they need the money to pay for NRE and are unwilling to make a price adjustment or refund...not to pretend Dec 31st is an acceptable delivery date.

HashFast, you need to stop making these kind of statements about looking at ROI in USD. You're making hardware to mine Bitcoins and ROI is measured in BTC, period. You lose credibility every time you make a statement like this...it really sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about.

Hi kaerf,

Hashfast paid their NRE and (unlike Cointerra) taped-out in August:

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HashFast and Uniquify Announce Tape Out of "Golden Nonce" Bitcoin Network Transaction Verification Chip to TSMC's 28HPM Process

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/hashfast-uniquify-announce-tape-golden-175723250.html

Miners look at ROI in both BTC and USD.  Otherwise, they would keep mining even if BTC crashed to zero and electricity went to the moon.

Of course I had hoped to at least break even in BTC, but the very real chance to break even in fiat is a good consolation prize.


in his thread, I've made one where the open exchange of ideas is appreciated, not slandered as "trolling."
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