Topic: CEG5952/xarca/poeEDgar farming trust, faking trades and claiming multipel giveaw (Read 2366 times)

I don't get what you want to prove with your negative rating on my profile. I have sent you a message and would appreciate you to answer me. Are you saying I am involved in the scam CEG did? What's the point?

Now this thread is a revelation...

Archived for future reference: http://archive.is/IWmbZ

I know that CEG... is the original owner of the account as of the day I opened this thread because he had taken out a loan to an address linking him to the original owner of the account 7 days prior to me making this thread.

I won't comment on potential changes in ownership since then as they will not matter.

I can confirm that I was paid.

I used to make posts for the user CEG5952 and he used to pay me on time (it was during October 2015-November 2015). He had paid me 3-4 times for my posts and the last batch of posts was sent to him in November for which he owed me 0.03 BTC which he did not pay. He said he would buy bitcoins and then send the payment (on 17th November 2015).


The user again contacted me in June 2016 and sent the following messages:



After sending the above two messages, he was online till October but still never honored his payment. I left a trust rating in Feb on his account and today he sent this message:


After this, I asked him to honor the payment on behalf of the owner and he paid me the same: https://blockchain.info/tx/ec6b43ae05441db58cc62f75c77e44b4f3fd050034631471955d53d3a6bcdc99

I removed my trust rating as I received the payment. I did not know that the owner had sold his account as he had replied to me in June and his password was not changed. Today, I can see the email has been changed the this user appears to be another user from his writing style.


This is all I wanted to post here.

Hi to everybody
This account was bought around end of 2015, For commenting and posting for project.
It was handled by one of my worker. who was supposed to comment and do posting on forum.
But as fired him a week ago and loged in to this account and started to do a review, he didnt do hes part of work instead he hired erikalui member to do his work, and didnt payed him.( i have payed erikalui today to close this thing.

Now i want to settle the rest what happened here for a year?
This account was sold and i have bought it.
If there is any problem during year 2016 let me know.
But its not my problem what did previous owner did here on forum, when we bought this account everything was ok and trust level as well.

It looks like that CEG5952 has defaulted on this loan

lol. The "proof" that you provided says otherwise

You have also requested for money to be sent to that same address multiple times since your "purchased" your account which is not the expected behavior of someone in your position.

The account was sold. He gave me the private keys to the oldest wallet he has here. And now he took the money from it. What a shame.

Yes I am xarca and I bought this account as I've provided proof to QuickSeller.

The account is not sold. The screenshots in the OP were given by CEG and I uploaded them to imgur to reduce the chances of them being deleted by the previous hosting site. There is blockchain evidence that he received BTC both before and after the sale, including both within a week ago and when the account was newly created.

Edit: here is the most relevant PM from CEG

If you aren't poeEDgar then he must have sold the account. Did you buy this account? do you have any records of the sale?

if he controls the address in question, then he must also control any other address that signed the same transaction that poeEDgar's address signed. That logic goes on forever until you have found all the addresses that have signed the same tx (excluding coinjoin transactions). Therefore all of the above people are alts of eachother because each of the addresses have signed at least one transaction that at least one other of their transactions has signed.

I am not stupid.  

Does not support accusation:



Supports the accusation:




Yes, I noticed. poeEDgar controls the address in question.

There is blockchain evidence that says that you are poeEDgar....

edit: magic8ball was also warned about this prior to you getting your loan, so I really don't see any reason why anyone should wait for you to repay your loan to him before leaving you negative trust considering that he was aware of the accusation prior to funding the loan, and even acknowledged it...

I'm not really affected by your accusation. My conscience is clean and yours are tarnished. You are just pulling everyone down as much as you could with your downfall. Anyway, I just saw this thread and wanted to post and mess around quickseller abit. Man I really thought you were legit but it seems that you turned out to be the hidden devil of the community after all.

And no I'm not poeEDgar just so we are clear (I know you know it). No matter how much you push me down, I won't take your bait nor anyone on this board will believe in you again. Sorry man but that's just how it is. Trust farming for myself? Not really my genre mate. I don't even find it profitable on a large scale.

There are no coinjoin transactions in the wallet in question. If there were then the wallet would show as being in MtGox and others, although after a certain point then wallet explorer will exclude the transactions from belonging together (either way it will not show a CJ address as part of a small wallet).

If you look at the above timeline then you will see that poeEDgar signed a message from his address which shows the addresses are not part of some kind of service or website.

Careful consideration were given to make sure no sold accounts (that actually changed ownership, and not simply passing through an escrow in an attempt to farm trust) were tagged.

I would then recommend you make a new thread and ask Bitcoin experts if those two addresses are part of the same wallet and what that actually means, and then you should be able to determine for yourself how likely it is that they are the same person. To me its pretty clear that these accounts are the same person however you need to be able to understand the evidence to determine that for yourself. I don't see how you can say it isn't strong evidence when you clearly do not understand it.

hehe, yeah may be.

Well, all the few addresses I checked showed some weird wallet (most often MtGoxandothers) may be because sharedcoin transactions distorted the data.


But still I am not sure that presents a strong evidence to support the accusation.

This is kind of offtopic. I would recommend you make a new thread if you want to ask how to determine if two addresses are in the same wallet. The website does work. If you get the response MtGoxAndOthers then that means your address is part of a websites wallet or you used coinjoin or another mixer that works similarly.

https://blockchain.info/tx/18889c17d0e46e5323699a97b3d195a3905dfb327c0aade66cbc0550591f4693

This tx shows  1D2vzaHSedPqRuwMaHQHGsdgBgMQoyeshd (poedgar) and 1CzG3gGAkSy1Tpq4SDbQRF1bP8AVH3r2bg are in the same wallet.

https://blockchain.info/tx/0d399b5c652c65b62b6c141943a52b5d5e694a98fe5ee8b7d2cce2523eebdc11

This tx shows 1CzG3gGAkSy1Tpq4SDbQRF1bP8AVH3r2bg and 1GFLGFz7c9GE8ZGffZ6xS3Wp3crQyyLLvH (habeler) are in the same wallet

It doesn't work. My bitcoin address shows as part of https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/MtGoxAndOthers

Maybe rely on sensible sites?

Yup that checks out. I previously had a larger list of connections, however that were for the most part repetitive, but I lost the list while I was in the process of archiving the posts so I was going off the recent saves on archive.is and memory.

poeEDgar is 100% a hypocrite for giving trust to himself and advertising that his alts escrow his own (fake) deals 

This website groups addresses into wallets:

https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/008079b36d4fdaef/addresses

As you can see those 3 addresses are in the same wallet.

I didn't quite get it. Any hints?


tx?

1D2vzaHSedPqRuwMaHQHGsdgBgMQoyeshd has just 2 transactions.

I have long been suspicious of this user and his alts. This one looks pretty clear cut, all of those addresses belong to the same Bitcoin wallet and reviewing the posts of each account shows many more indications they belong to the same person. There is plenty of evidence to show that CEG and Habeler are alts of PoeEDgar. He tried to escrow for himself, even though he is of the opinion that this is deceptive and fraudulent. The fact that he would attempt to do something that he preaches is untrustworthy says it all. This is much worse than "faking an escrow" because he attempted to fake the entire trade pretending to be all parties in the trade. Clearly shows him to be a dishonest hypocrite.



Another potential alt:

AceWallen
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/acewallen-131681
https://archive.is/VOh9Y
Bitcoin address on profile page is in the same wallet as the other alts.

To piggyback on the recent discussion regarding limits on how often threads can be bumped, it seems that some of this person's alts were activly posting in poeEDgar's sales thread.

Previous (and potentially current) Alts of CEG5952/xarca/poeEDgar

7BITCASINO CAMPAIGN - Page #1
Habeler876 - reply #12 -  https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/habeler876-131432 - 1GFLGFz7c9GE8ZGffZ6xS3Wp3crQyyLLvH

XBTec - campaign terminated - Page #5
Habeler876 - reply#90 1Lvcd11X1G4pEKcYk2MoS6LNGjzbRdSaPb


*** Bitspin Giveaway INACTIVE*** - Page #40
habeler876 - reply #784 - 1EmcGyZ5s3aC1CQ9YqmZdDLyns52oBLxZt
ShameOnYou - reply #785 - 1Gzan9ngECFD9SUR4s2cX8M2ABXf9ZWJRH - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/shameonyou-131712
HarHarHar9965 - reply #786 - 113DtD3rLa2NptNAZLstqqVCgVsNxRHtY2 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/harharhar9965-131686
FattyMcButterpants - reply #788 - 12tHVtquLdb5k8ANRvEhMs699BR639WQWi - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fattymcbutterpants-131709
WillyBTC - reply #791 - 15VawzAUB7wKcFmip4iUmJ7PLPw5UR9hps - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/willybtc-131733
JerryCurlzzz - reply #792 - 14TujHBDoSC62g9tfV8i355HSLM388bCP6
Kipsy89 - reply #794 - 1AP1UURiZWBVy7qdtWPUELt6EVrXKNwRSg - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kipsy89-133157 - archive of current profile with address of 1EzDEn1SUbELAA3jTzvKmmVnH2cS8AQXSK - unclear if account was sold, however all of the earnings from the bitmixer signature campaign since 2015 are currently unspent. Probably is a sold account
DannyElfman - reply #797 - 143MUVttTsgER8Ht37BzZfDuPPupkANK9C - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dannyelfman-131711
harlenadler - 1EVbh1m5GhvRaCLMN47MWvu57qR4NNbR7f - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/harlenadler-132620
ShakyhandsBTCer - 1KtVkgnjifWEksxrFFYJb3CHLR6hDAcRX - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/shakyhandsbtcer-131716
ampere9765 - 1K4Kkr761UdmrrwwDdyVeeYX39994JV3NC - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ampere9765-131728


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ShameOnYou - reply #149 - 1Gzan9ngECFD9SUR4s2cX8M2ABXf9ZWJRH - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/shameonyou-131712
HarHarHar9965 - reply #150 - 113DtD3rLa2NptNAZLstqqVCgVsNxRHtY2
FattyMcButterpants - reply #151 - 12tHVtquLdb5k8ANRvEhMs699BR639WQWi
DannyElfman - reply #152 - 143MUVttTsgER8Ht37BzZfDuPPupkANK9C
harlenadler - reply #155 - 1EVbh1m5GhvRaCLMN47MWvu57qR4NNbR7f
ShakyhandsBTCer - reply #156 - 1KtVkgnjifWEksxrFFYJb3CHLR6hDAcRX
HarryT1923 - reply #158 - 1BwhLiTXeE8wWgb5GE8mNyWwwUofUGZwX - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/harryt1923-132636


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Marbit - reply #67 - 19Jejw21zkZeapKJ7SdK4D2Sk79XvzfcwW - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/marbit-120267
CEG5952 - reply #68 - 1UdscRFN79xjBsHgS3sUt94GQxk4xz2a7
scarsbergholden - reply #69 - 1FBbZWQrugTX9shezaS5a1VwBRBHvWNwi4 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/scarsbergholden-131131
wasserman99 - 19nyKF1UTj8AYJs2UkyRWBEsFzHiGABpeF - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/wasserman99-131142
Argwai96 - 1CHRePey7TdszqZqPvhYEkt4jHP1CrTR1n - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/argwai96-131421
Gimmelfarb - 1MReo1HuATDDL22Ty6V4vNnSFCuKg1X7v1 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gimmelfarb-131427
Habeler876 - reply #73 - 1EmcGyZ5s3aC1CQ9YqmZdDLyns52oBLxZt

Earn up to 0.031 BTC/month for your signature - advertise BitcoinSports.eu! Page #9

Kipsy89 - reply #163 - 1AP1UURiZWBVy7qdtWPUELt6EVrXKNwRSg

0.002 BTC For your Signature. Limited!!! BitcoinLiveBets.com Page #27

harlenadler - reply #521 - 1EVbh1m5GhvRaCLMN47MWvu57qR4NNbR7f
ShakyhandsBTCer - reply #522 - 1KtVkgnjifWEksxrFFYJb3CHLR6hDAcRX

0.002 BTC For your Signature. Limited!!! BitcoinLiveBets.com Page #26

Marbit - Reply #510 - 19Jejw21zkZeapKJ7SdK4D2Sk79XvzfcwW
CEG5952 - Reply #511 - 1UdscRFN79xjBsHgS3sUt94GQxk4xz2a7
scarsbergholden - Reply #512 - 1FBbZWQrugTX9shezaS5a1VwBRBHvWNwi4
wasserman99 - Reply #513 - 19nyKF1UTj8AYJs2UkyRWBEsFzHiGABpeF
Habeler876 - Reply #514 - 1EmcGyZ5s3aC1CQ9YqmZdDLyns52oBLxZt
HarHarHar9965 - Reply #515 - 113DtD3rLa2NptNAZLstqqVCgVsNxRHtY2
BarkinTree - Reply #516 - 1JxbttoLimAd6csrbzptAjkWLnCTcK6ppe - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/barkintree-131704
DannyElfman - Reply #517 - 143MUVttTsgER8Ht37BzZfDuPPupkANK9C
JerryCurlzzz - Reply #519 - 14TujHBDoSC62g9tfV8i355HSLM388bCP6
Kipsy89 - Reply #520 - 1AP1UURiZWBVy7qdtWPUELt6EVrXKNwRSg

[CLOSED] Earn up to 0.5 BTC/month to Advertise Bit777 & Peerbet Page #48

ampere9765 - Reply #942 - 1K4Kkr761UdmrrwwDdyVeeYX39994JV3NC
WillyBTC - Reply #943 - 15VawzAUB7wKcFmip4iUmJ7PLPw5UR9hps
JerryCurlzzz - Reply #944 - 14TujHBDoSC62g9tfV8i355HSLM388bCP6
joshraban76 - Reply #945 - 1DHzJY346zyxeLqopUbWmcsqdZSTXJz2W4 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/joshraban76-132629

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I believe there is a strong chance that the following accounts belong to the same person as the accounts listed in the OP:

HarHarHar9965 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/harharhar9965-131686- currently enrolled in bit-x, txid's as per the bit-x bot have paid the same bit-x address since June 26, 2015, and account replied to a thread opened by another likely alt

Marbit - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/marbit-120267 - currently enrolled in bit-x, txid's as per the bit-x bot have paid the same bit-x address since July 10, 2015, and replied to the same above referenced thread. There is however a post that might imply the account was sold, however it is difficult to say one way or another.

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As you can see, it appears that the person mentioned in the OP has claimed a giveaway from at least 13 accounts. According to the OP of that giveaway, they will giveaway 0.002 BTC to everyone who posts their BTC address, as in every person. This amount of accounts claiming giveaways makes PistolPete's research look like child's play.

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/poeedgar-136081 - poeEDgar
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ceg5952-121481 - CEG5952
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/xarca-520612 - xarca
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/habeler876-131432 - Habeler876 *I believe this account has been sold on or around August 10, 2015

On June 26, 2015 poeEDgar sold the CEG5952 account to xarco, and offered to use Habeler876 as escrow. No big deal, accounts are purchased all the time in the land of bitcointalk, mostly for signature campaigns. Although this particular trade was done for nothing else, other then to farm trust. The difference between this trade that is unusual, is that the buyer, the seller, the account being sold and the proposed escrow are all the same person! It was only that while negotiating, these people decided to use the Hero member master-P who happens to be on Default Trust in the hopes of receiving a positive trust rating as a result of this trade, luckily master-P did not fall for this and did not leave a positive rating because of this trade.

Timeline:
November 17, 2013, 08:35:27 AM - poeEDgar signs up for Bit777 signature campaign here (archive - reply #986) using 1D2vzaHSedPqRuwMaHQHGsdgBgMQoyeshd

June 09, 2014, 05:17:22 PM - Habeler876 signs up for XBTec signature campaign here - (archive reply# 90) using 1Lvcd11X1G4pEKcYk2MoS6LNGjzbRdSaPb

June 07, 2015, 10:26:08 AM - Habeler876 signs up for 7BitCasino signature campaign here (achive - Reply #12) using 1GFLGFz7c9GE8ZGffZ6xS3Wp3crQyyLLvH

June 11, 2015, time unknown - poeEDgar leaves positive trust for monbux for a trade that monbux escrows

June 14, 2015, time unknown - poeEDgar leaves positive trust for Habeler876 for a "digital goods trade" - at this time both accounts were owned by the same person

June 26, 2015, time unknown - xarca leaves positive trust for poeEDgar and master-P for the above transaction screenshot of xarca's sent/received trust // poeEDgar leaves positive trust for master-P for the above transaction

June 27, 2015, time unknown - poeEDgar leaves positive trust for xarca for the above transaction screenshot of the above transaction.

July 03, 2015, 03:37:45 AM - CEG5952 takes out a 0.50 BTC no collateral loan from marcothemine due August 3, 2015 with a fixed repayment amount of 0.57 BTC here (archive - reply #2012) to 18kD4BviC3hf1qXnhYM7t1vg5eL3z7CbiF

July 09, 2015, 11:39:36 PM - CEG5952 repays 0.50 BTC loan from marcotheminer

July 12, 2015, 06:05:29 AM - CEG5952 takes out a 0.50 BTC loan from Magic8Ball due August 1, 2015 here (archive - reply #242) to 18kD4BviC3hf1qXnhYM7t1vg5eL3z7CbiF

July 22, 2015, 06:16:00 AM - CEG5952 repays loan from Magic8Ball

July 27, 2015, time unknown - poeEDgar leaves positive trust for SebastianJu for a trade that SebastianJu escrowed

August 1, 2015 - Loan from Magic8Ball is due (already repaid)

August 3, 2015 - Loan from Marcotheminer is due (already repaid)

August 10, 2015, 10:08:47 PM - Habeler876 has 1GFLGFz7c9GE8ZGffZ6xS3Wp3crQyyLLvH as his profile address archive

September 19, 2015, 05:38:14 AM - xarca participates in a giveaway (the thread was eventually moved to the trashcan) here - reply #10 using 1LLyxp87LNscJ5yr3jN8oVAzhP2mWFnNMd

September 05, 2015, 02:00:52 AM - poeEDgar signs message from above address to prove account was not sold here (archive - reply #5), signed message was from 1D2vzaHSedPqRuwMaHQHGsdgBgMQoyeshd, includes the date September 5, 2015 and verifies.

October 07, 2015, 01:47:26 PM - CEG5952 takes out a 0.827 BTC no collateral loan here (archive - reply #407).


PM screenshots
poeEDgar offering to use  Habeler876 as escrow and discussing trade with xarca - http://imgur.com/x1c8sO7

poeEDgar sending PM to master-P to escrow the deal between poeEDgar and xarca - http://imgur.com/w6yFk40

master-P confirming that he received account details from poeEDgar - http://imgur.com/eEYDkrQ

master-P providing account details of CEG5952 to xarca - http://imgur.com/QcjrcyS

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Additionally, a thread was opened in scam accusations on September 14, 2015 in which it eventually came out that JerryCurlzzz had admitted to scamming someone because "it is in his nature".

JerryCurlzzz can be linked to the above accounts as recently as June 07, 2015, 08:51:56 AM when he enrolled for the DaDice signature campaign here (archive - reply #107) with 1FqrHFiXWLVdhgQm7nojrqCEG9kKYy3zPk however the account starts to use a different wallet on or around August 4, 2015, and I have other reasons to believe this account was meant to show as being a sold account. However it cannot be ruled out that this sale was faked as well.