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August 02, 2023, 08:18:00 PM
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Someone could easily exploit this certification for their own benefit through scamming others. It would have to be an extremely accredited bitcoin bar or something and they don't even exist. Honestly this should exist, there should be a Bitcoin University for all things Blockchain!
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August 02, 2023, 05:14:03 PM
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It's so easy to be certified nowadays in stuff that doesn't even need certifying. Bitcoin Professional Licenses are just scams to me cause there's no governing educational body in this industry that gauges whether someone's got the smarts in the blockchain technology and bitcoin for that matter, and even if they do, they're not going to spend 100 bucks on a digital award that would not even give them any advantage in terms of finding jobs in this industry cause people here who knows talented individuals look past achievements and goes straight towards expertise and experience which holds more weight. So I'm not saying you should invest in stuff like these, but there's no massive difference really if you pushed for personally educating yourself about cryptocurrencies.
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August 02, 2023, 04:56:31 PM
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No one has the full knowledge of bitcoin, talk more to having an institute that issues out certificate on bitcoin course. Bitcoin is very broad that it can't be learnt for three years.

I think there are quite a lot of people with comprehensive knowledge of Bitcoin, you could find many even on this forum. In it's nature, I don't think it's that complicated. The real difficulties arise when you want to make changes to the protocol and introduce new features etc.

Nobody will care of your certificate if you want to be employed to a company because the employer believes on what you gat in you as bitcoin is not theory but practical especially the programmers and dev.

This certificate is not intended to turn anyone into a Bitcoin developer, but to certify that the holder has an understanding of how Bitcoin works. Just like you can be licenced to drive a car without understanding the technicalities of the combustion engine etc.
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August 02, 2023, 12:45:11 PM
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Being certified by any recognized institution is only a proof that you've undergone through their path while learning but the real experience needed is the application of what you've learnt into practical use, as long as you can perform upto expectation and deliver the best needed of you, certification works for you and the other prospect you may have with working with other organizations as part of their requirements, but if for yourself, you may not need that except you want to learn while having their certificate along as an added advantage.
I agree, real experience is what making these certifications out of the league. But on this one, it's not that really like an industry standard per se. It's made by consensus by an organization and many don't follow it at all.

You're right, some of them may actually be here unknowingly to us, but what we needed is to ensure we have what is required to be informed about bitcoin and understand how the whole network operates for our own benefits, many never know the advantage this forum offers them until they go outside the forum to pay for same thing the learn freely from bitcointalk.
Actually, it's possible that many of the learners came from here and learned those things freely. And the trade that happens mostly with these paid courses, they're just setting it like a ladder and charging students for their efforts and that's why it's paid.

Two questions come to mind here. First is whether companies hiring "blockchain experts" require such certificates or care if you have one or not.
Second is whether these hiring companies even recognize the issuer of such certificates!
It's most likely that they prefer the ones that has the experience than of those that have these certificates. Because those that have experience knows more of what they do. While these people with related certificates, maybe most of them are like career shifters and they're good to have the fundamental knowledge good for an entry career.

I haven't really looked for the jobs in this industry but from what I've seen from startups and other small businesses in this field, the experts themselves create these small companies and then they hire regular programmers, etc. to help build the business.
Not to mention that when anybody hires employees, they look for experience not certificates. For example when they hire a programmer, they don't ask them who taught them c++. Instead they ask them how many lines of c++ they have written and what programs they've created, and stuff like that.
True, they hire coders/programmers and that's what I see and most of them are into the solidity programmers because for the specific of what they're working on.

It makes me laugh enough that a company invents a course of study on blockchain and Bitcoin and then wants to issue a certification to say that you are now officially an expert ... in reality you have stolen my money.  I would like to know who gives them the right to say that that certification is authentic, in short Bitcoin is not a product of a company and I don't understand how a company certification can become a standard...lol
Well, that's true and I can't argue more. Usually, those that have "experts" on the field and have them compiled with other "experts" too have just come up to have this for so long and think that many will land a job through their certification.

While the prospect of earning a "Certified Bitcoin Professional" designation intrigues me, it also makes me suspicious. There is a clear need for more uniform qualifications in this field, but it is unclear if C4's accreditation, or that of any other group, can meet that demand. How does one become a Bitcoin expert? Programming, trading, investing, and other financial savvy would all be helpful, at least in theory.

In addition, developments in the bitcoin industry occur at an unprecedented rate, making it difficult for a static curriculum to keep up. It's like trying to keep water from dripping through your fingers.

Last but not least, an accreditation's worth is determined by its standing in the marketplace. I am interested in knowing how this certification is seen by potential employers. Does it set you apart from the competition significantly, or is it just another line on your resume?
The thing is, they were the one to make their own demand and criteria to tell someone if they're a CBP based on the exam and certification that they've made. But in actuality, we all know that whoever passes the exam is an expert on paper and not in real industry.

It's almost like a 'Chicken or Egg' situation.  Who certified them to be in a position to say you're certified if you complete their course?

Every time someone invents a new technology, anyone could come along and say "pay me money and I'll say you're certified".  Certificates are only useful if relevant industries accept them, but I suppose it helps if there are some recognisable names on the board of directors for this particular one.
True, that's what it is with them and having Andreas on board probably made them think that they're credible enough on it because he's known in the industry.

SEC chief G.Gensler was a bitcoin lecturer at MIT a few years ago... teaching kids about bitcoin.. years later even gensler cant decide what bitcoin is..
just goes to show how poor even known institutions dont really know what they are talking about
I didn't know about that and only knew that he has applied for Binance as consultant or something, interesting thing about this hater now.

Andreas Antonopoulos lost a lot in my eyes by going full leftist in some of his tweets. I've no idea what is he up to now.
The certificate was designed for professionals from various industries to get them familiar of what Bitcoin actually is and how it works.
It's probably not very useful for anyone wanting to dive much deeper into it. You could probably learn more by experimenting yourself (i.e. playing with testnet) and talking to people on technical boards.
Being on the forum will give more learnings and that's no doubt about it. Going with the depth technically, we can see that it's easier to converse with more relevant and tech experts from the members in here than of these set standardized certifications.

One thing to see if the certification is practical or needed is the credibility of such certification.  Is it credited by the authority to handle such certification?  Is the certification acknowledged by any government institution or private company?  Can it be used to apply for a position? Those are some questions to answer in order to say that this kind of certification is a must for career-oriented individuals.   But if it is not then I think it is just a waste of time and money.
They are the authority who credited it thus, there's actual no industry standard on it. So basically, an organization that's more in depth to this can say that they're certified on their own. And recognizing it depends on the company the certified person will apply for.

Certifications are nothing more than awards or proof that you've undergone training in order to claim that title. In the grand scheme of things you're not necessarily as great as someone who had 5+ years of experience in blockchain technology if you've gone through an online course training program to get your certification lol. Nothing beats experience in this industry and I can attest to that with the fact that I had a friend in the past who bought these online course training programs, this time for blockchain technology and got his certification, in the end he worked at a fortune 200 company that doesn't even dabble in blockchain technology while another friend of mine who had 2 years of working closely with cryptocurrencies as a full stack developer landed a job in this industry and is comfortably working in the comfort of his own home. Not comparing or contrasting who's better and who's not, just that these certifications doesn't act as a guarantee that you'd be a master at the thing you just trained for. Mastery requires 20% training and 80% hands-on experience.
In the other industry, there are certain certifications that would be desired by companies and being recognized by most of them who are in the specific niche and business. But that's true that it's not really necessarily if there's no specific company that talks about it or even desiring to have it. Because if so, then this type of course should have blown already on its popularity.

Institutions have been trying to profit from knowledge certifications for quite a few years now. The problem with them is that they are barely recognised as official certifications of knowledge to companies, and as another user said, is unlikely to be worth anything anywhere at this stage. Maybe, it's a step toward the best certifications standing out in the future and it will be worth getting the certification now for the sake of cheaper cost, as cost of a cert. might increase if it becomes recognised...other than that purpose, I don't see any other use case.

It will be hard to establish something recognisable and useful. At least, until colleges and universities create some form of certification and study. That is quite unlikely to happen soon, if at all.
Some of them have been reputable but not on this one, it's completely a new atmosphere to have their institution go after with the industry standard and make a certification out of it. And that's why we don't see the known ones in the tech industry have this applied on their own.

Certificates are proof that you have undergone a test on what you know on the subject and the issuer should be credible enough to back you up on your knowledge about the subject, like you never know someone you met until you see the certificates that he received.
There will be a lot of jobs and professions that will include knowledge about Bitcoin and Cryptocurrency and you will need something like this to back you up if you're a company and you're going to hire someone you want to see as many courses your applicant has gone through that is related to the job applying, so is when you're an applicant.
In the future, we will have Universities offering this kind of course, there's a lot of demand in many sectors where knowledge of Cryptocurrency and blockchain is essential.
Mostly, it's good for the new ones and career shifters. But if you've been in here for quite a while, your experience could tell a lot for you when you try to apply for it. Just as what everyone is saying regarding this cert, to each their own for these companies.

For me personally, i do not and will not consider any certificate from any of this firms important, it is nothing but business for me, they are just feeding on the ignorance of some people, what ever lesson or knowledge regrading bitcoin and blockchain that this firm is awarding this certificate for, same can be learnt and even extra ordinarily perfected through online courses from several platforms like Udemy and the likes, and the beautiful thing about Udemy is that, you can find any course there at a very cheap amount of money, all is required is your willingness and determination to learn..

Another thing i was even thinking about just about now is, lets say like the op said, that google seem to recognize the certificate being issued out by this firm, how many blockchain firm know about the firm and the certificate? how easy can a person with the certificate secure a lucrative job in a blockchain company? this is the only way we can know if those certificate are truly valuable or not.
True about Udemy, there are a bunch of these courses made also by individuals and it's up to you if you think that they're enough. But most likely, there have been free courses that are good for starters offered by exchanges and other websites which could already be enough just to get the fundamentals. As for recognition, I've just googled about it and not actually google recognizes it. Some results from google say so.

I imagine for Bitcoin-related jobs, experience is the most important quality in a candidate. If someone has a good portfolio of delivered Bitcoin projects, they don't need certificates. So they are only useful for people who only entered the field, but only if these certificates are recognized by the potential employers.
That's actually true, getting certs like this is like an addition or just a satisfaction that one has to display on his portfolio or resume.

Interesting IMO.
There could be other organizations like Blockchain Council offering similar certifications.  However, forums and communities are great resources to learn for free and just thought of sharing this, ain't affiliated with them.
Right, I've just picked them as it seems that they're the closest that one to C4. You just look at Udemy and you see a bunch of them offering these the same certifications but I don't know how many of them are orgs as well. And I couldn't agree more about things in the forums and communities.

all of this is to make sure that the project that they done is credible. I think such certificate can't be issued by non government institutions. we need a legal institution or group or public figures that credible and popular to issue that certificate because once the certificate is issued they will risking their credibility. in my country there is institutions called OJK which supervise any money related service, for me it is safer to use service that supervised by OJK.
Anyone can issue their certificate, whether they conduct examinations or seminars, they can. As long as there's an exchange of why they're distributing that based on their setting and standard. I haven't heard OJK and from what country is that?

I would never pay any money for such bullsh*t.
Passing one exam and buying one course doesn't mean that you are a true professional. There must be a 4 year long university program for becoming an expert in cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology. The participants in such program must practice their skills for months or even years. Learning theory is only 20%, building skills by practice must be 80% of the entire crypto/blockchain education.
I guess that those "crypto organizations" OP is mentioning have found an easy way to make some easy money by selling "certificates" to a bunch of gullible crypto noobs.
While I do agree about a 4 year course over crypto and blockchain technology. But just look at the most experts on this field, they don't ended up having any education or bachelors degree that's described. Honestly, with the innovation of technology now learning has became a such fast paced thing that can be done over a boot camp. But I do get your point about this certification and there could be some folks that have been liking to attach their names over certificates since they can afford to pay one and also have bunch of spare time to complete it.

Well, it is nice that Andreas Antonopoulos are one of their board of Directors, because he is very knowledgeable about Bitcoin and Crypto currencies. He will not back any bogus organization that will issue doggy certificated, because he has a relative good reputation in the Crypto community.

I have been involved in a lot of recruiting for posts and we do not even consider "certificates" that are not verified by our local registering authorities. That does not mean that I will not look into this... so thank you OP for posting this.  Wink
No problem, more details you get about it on their website if you want to pay a visit.

What are the benefits of being a Certified Bitcoin Professional? Do you get discounts, perks, or access to exclusive events? 😎 I'll enroll only if I get free Bitcoin with my certification.
Well, you get certified by them and that's pretty much it is. And the knowledge you'll learn there is just like the start of it but it's better to learn more about it through the forum and get into process which is a better way. I'm not sure if there are some of those that offers for free but I guess there is, maybe in Udemy.

There will be many people interested in knowing more about bitcoins when they learn about it, these people know that is why they have decided to make money from it by claiming to give certification. Many people in this forum have deeper knowledge about bitcoins than the tutors in these school for certification, and also passing through this school does not give any confidence that you know more than someone who has deep interest in bitcoins and a dedicated member of this forum.
While it's true that sure a lot of people want to get ahead and know more about Bitcoin. But it's not needed to go into this type of certification, a lot of tutorials and information are almost everywhere. Anyway, they're not a school but an organization.

What will you get aside than this certify?

Will this certificate give you a 100% guarantee you will able to work in Bitcoin sector? nope

Will this certificate make you understand about Bitcoin? not really.

I don't see any skill that you would get after completing this certificate except you're become a teacher which teach about Bitcoin in general. Without this certificate, you can still become a teacher as long as you understand about Bitcoin in basic and the difference with bank or fiat.
Everything you've said is right and it's just like a fulfillment for someone to have it and it's just like a "nice to have" certificate for someone who's already knowledgeable on this.

Certified Bitcoin Professional, huh? Sounds like the kind of title I'd put on my LinkedIn profile just to impress my friends. But hey, if it helps people get into the industry, why not?
You got it, it's likely to impress your friends and maybe a couple of employers who knows? But like what everyone is saying, whether you have it or not, you'll still be able to land a crypto-related job if you've got the right skills and knowledge.

It is a personal matter for everyone whether to receive a certificate. I agree that it is probably needed only for work in order to show it along with the rest of the certificates to the company that hires you. Perhaps you will look more competitive against the background of other candidates. As for knowledge, I don't know what it gives that can't be found in the public domain. I agree with you that on the forum you can find a lot of useful information.
The certificate only confirms that you have knowledge in this area. But the absence of a certificate does not mean that you do not know anything and do not understand
There is a conclusion, then if there is an opportunity, then it can be done, it will not be worse with him - it can come in handy
You will look more competitive in the sense that you've finished the course. But with actual situations and interviews, you'll ace it more if you've got the experience and actual knowledge. There is a brief summary of what that course and certificate has to offer on that link I've put on the OP.

I had no plans to pay $140 to get myself certified - that didn't seem like much use to me. Of course some of us would be interested - but I think it's just a collection instead a condition for applying for a job. Certificates can be useful - but not all jobs require certificates especially if they only want your experience and ability on the job.

A certificate might explain to your future children that you are one of the many people who know and are knowledgeable about bitcoin - but I don't think it's very useful for the company that will hire you.
Honestly me to, or if I'd be willing to spend that much I'll choose another course that I know that I'm better with. While it sounds cool that you've got a story to tell to your children someday that you're one of the few that have taken it but likely never used and apply it.

Recently, a friend who is an accountant is need for a certificate in this area and not because the company is involved in the crypto world, just because due to the boom and disclosure, they want to be prepared.

There are starsups dedicated to training, this type of training has been going on for years, now they are not endorsed by the official education ministries, but they do exist long time.

Let's say that, as has happened with other technological things, that type of course is always there, there are still Excell courses. Smiley

So, in the case of our forum, which you mention, it may not be very useful at the level of the bureaucracy of a piece of paper that says, "you are an expert".
Right on. Some companies may sponsor their employees in prepareness of the upcoming boom on this industry. But just like the usual thing in the tech sector, innovation keeps on going and industry standards are changing rapidly. Dealing with the actual experts and having conversations or just reading interesting topics in the forum are much more pretty interesting than on it rather than spending w/ those bucks.

No one has the full knowledge of bitcoin, talk more to having an institute that issues out certificate on bitcoin course. Bitcoin is very broad that it can't be learnt for three years. Nobody will care of your certificate if you want to be employed to a company because the employer believes on what you gat in you as bitcoin is not theory but practical especially the programmers and dev. Certificate is only paper and anyone can come up with a certificate on blockchain claiming to be a professional which might not be true. The only one that can have an institute on bitcoin that will be recognized by the world is Satoshi but this is impossible. I will prefer to learn in this forum gradually for a very long time than going to pay for some paper that I don't know if I can grab a lot of knowledge on bitcoin from them.
Only if satoshi will appear and will prove that he's the real one and establishes something like this. For sure that a lot of people will come to chase it but well, as you've said, it's unlikely to happen.
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August 02, 2023, 12:47:08 AM
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No one has the full knowledge of bitcoin, talk more to having an institute that issues out certificate on bitcoin course. Bitcoin is very broad that it can't be learnt for three years. Nobody will care of your certificate if you want to be employed to a company because the employer believes on what you gat in you as bitcoin is not theory but practical especially the programmers and dev. Certificate is only paper and anyone can come up with a certificate on blockchain claiming to be a professional which might not be true. The only one that can have an institute on bitcoin that will be recognized by the world is Satoshi but this is impossible. I will prefer to learn in this forum gradually for a very long time than going to pay for some paper that I don't know if I can grab a lot of knowledge on bitcoin from them.
Given its complexity and ongoing change, understanding Bitcoin is a lifetime journey. Instead, certifications formalize knowledge. Yes, real-world application matters, especially in bitcoin and blockchain. Cant other disciplines say the same?

Self-taught programmers can outperform computer science graduates. Isnt the degree merely paper in this context? They offer organized information, networking, and recognition.

Satoshi's engagement in a Bitcoin institute would be impressive, but the community's expertise drives Bitcoin. Wouldnt an institute funded by the world's leading Bitcoin engineers, influencers, and thought leaders be just as powerful?
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August 01, 2023, 10:46:37 PM
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No one has the full knowledge of bitcoin, talk more to having an institute that issues out certificate on bitcoin course. Bitcoin is very broad that it can't be learnt for three years. Nobody will care of your certificate if you want to be employed to a company because the employer believes on what you gat in you as bitcoin is not theory but practical especially the programmers and dev. Certificate is only paper and anyone can come up with a certificate on blockchain claiming to be a professional which might not be true. The only one that can have an institute on bitcoin that will be recognized by the world is Satoshi but this is impossible. I will prefer to learn in this forum gradually for a very long time than going to pay for some paper that I don't know if I can grab a lot of knowledge on bitcoin from them.
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August 01, 2023, 05:38:17 PM
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My take on this one is that if you've got a lot of spare money and you want to get into this, it's just all about satisfaction and getting the certificate unless you want to apply for jobs related to Bitcoin and related to blockchain technology.
Two questions come to mind here. First is whether companies hiring "blockchain experts" require such certificates or care if you have one or not. Second is whether these hiring companies even recognize the issuer of such certificates!
I believe this kind of certificate is useless.

I have this certification, I was approved in this exam by 2018 ( It already expired). Aa company paid for my exam, otherwise I wouldn't take it.

One thing that is interesting about this certification are the people behind it: Antonopoulos  and Vitalik Buterin (he was when I took the exam, but I believe he left).

I wouldn't do it again, only if someone paid me to do it or to have it.
That’s how its irrelevance is defined, by its expiry date. Having such a knowledge based certification to come with an expiry date almost feels as though the knowledge did expire with the certificate as well.

When there isn’t any much backing other than the organization administering the examination, then there is a problem of how it could be used and of what significance is it to the crypt space. As far as I can tell, I don’t know of a body that sets standards to what goes and doesn’t and the closest to any form of attachment to what could be in bitcoin has always been the forum but even at that, the forum only operates within its own spheres being where, it’s rules can apply and nothing more
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Recently, a friend who is an accountant is need for a certificate in this area and not because the company is involved in the crypto world, just because due to the boom and disclosure, they want to be prepared.

There are starsups dedicated to training, this type of training has been going on for years, now they are not endorsed by the official education ministries, but they do exist long time.

Let's say that, as has happened with other technological things, that type of course is always there, there are still Excell courses. Smiley

So, in the case of our forum, which you mention, it may not be very useful at the level of the bureaucracy of a piece of paper that says, "you are an expert".
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August 01, 2023, 04:59:50 PM
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I had no plans to pay $140 to get myself certified - that didn't seem like much use to me. Of course some of us would be interested - but I think it's just a collection instead a condition for applying for a job. Certificates can be useful - but not all jobs require certificates especially if they only want your experience and ability on the job.

A certificate might explain to your future children that you are one of the many people who know and are knowledgeable about bitcoin - but I don't think it's very useful for the company that will hire you.
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I would never pay any money for such bullsh*t.
Passing one exam and buying one course doesn't mean that you are a true professional. There must be a 4 year long university program for becoming an expert in cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology. The participants in such program must practice their skills for months or even years. Learning theory is only 20%, building skills by practice must be 80% of the entire crypto/blockchain education.
I guess that those "crypto organizations" OP is mentioning have found an easy way to make some easy money by selling "certificates" to a bunch of gullible crypto noobs.

The purpose of such certificates is not to turn anyone into a full-blown Bitcoin developer, but to certify that you have a basic understanding of what Bitcoin is and how it works.
I'm guessing their target group is professional firms wanting to train their employees to help them better understand what is all about if their jobs require any kind of dealings with crypto. Or it might be a good way to boost up your CV with something that'll make you stand out from others.
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It is a personal matter for everyone whether to receive a certificate. I agree that it is probably needed only for work in order to show it along with the rest of the certificates to the company that hires you. Perhaps you will look more competitive against the background of other candidates. As for knowledge, I don't know what it gives that can't be found in the public domain. I agree with you that on the forum you can find a lot of useful information.
The certificate only confirms that you have knowledge in this area. But the absence of a certificate does not mean that you do not know anything and do not understand
There is a conclusion, then if there is an opportunity, then it can be done, it will not be worse with him - it can come in handy
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August 01, 2023, 04:14:54 PM
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It makes me laugh enough that a company invents a course of study on blockchain and Bitcoin and then wants to issue a certification to say that you are now officially an expert ... in reality you have stolen my money.  I would like to know who gives them the right to say that that certification is authentic, in short Bitcoin is not a product of a company and I don't understand how a company certification can become a standard...lol

Very true, only the company owing Bitcoin can give you the certificate of the product and no one owns Bitcoin.

For example, we see Microsoft gives us the certificate of the product which they develop like Ms Office Certified Engineer or Windows Server Engineering Certificate. Similarly, you can get certificates from Cisco and Oracle products because those companies own that products.

No company should have the right to give the Bitcoin certificate and I think this is another money making opportunity. From my point of view, this certification have no worth.

Exactly I mean just what a company can issue a certificate for its products and do accredited training courses but not behind Bitcoin there is no company and it's funny how someone can independently make use of this without them owning it the brand or product.  It also happens with Linux but there is a foundation behind it that has been recognized worldwide, I don't know that this is the case with Bitcoin at the moment.

people will always find a way how to exhaust money from this new market. so no wonder, some are using this to earn money from naive users. i don't know why some people are blind or just dumb getting such certificates. i can understand if it is blockchain technology but bitcoin, that's indeed ridiculous!
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August 01, 2023, 04:05:03 PM
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It makes me laugh enough that a company invents a course of study on blockchain and Bitcoin and then wants to issue a certification to say that you are now officially an expert ... in reality you have stolen my money.  I would like to know who gives them the right to say that that certification is authentic, in short Bitcoin is not a product of a company and I don't understand how a company certification can become a standard...lol

Very true, only the company owing Bitcoin can give you the certificate of the product and no one owns Bitcoin.

For example, we see Microsoft gives us the certificate of the product which they develop like Ms Office Certified Engineer or Windows Server Engineering Certificate. Similarly, you can get certificates from Cisco and Oracle products because those companies own that products.

No company should have the right to give the Bitcoin certificate and I think this is another money making opportunity. From my point of view, this certification have no worth.

Exactly I mean just what a company can issue a certificate for its products and do accredited training courses but not behind Bitcoin there is no company and it's funny how someone can independently make use of this without them owning it the brand or product.  It also happens with Linux but there is a foundation behind it that has been recognized worldwide, I don't know that this is the case with Bitcoin at the moment.
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August 01, 2023, 08:42:05 AM
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Well, it is nice that Andreas Antonopoulos are one of their board of Directors, because he is very knowledgeable about Bitcoin and Crypto currencies. He will not back any bogus organization that will issue doggy certificated, because he has a relative good reputation in the Crypto community.
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I don't think things like this have much purpose, because it's an exam that takes 20 minutes, it's done online and anyone can cheat (regardless of the short time). Furthermore, it is necessary to answer at least 70% of the questions correctly in order to receive a certificate, which for me is an insufficient percentage in determining that someone has enough knowledge to receive any certificate.

In addition, the price of one certificate is $100 + certification fee of $39.99, and the certificate is only valid for 2 years. We can think that someone is doing this because they want to help others, but in the end it all boils down to the fact that you have to pay $140 to get something that doesn't really have any value when you're looking for a job.
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Certified Bitcoin Professional, huh? Sounds like the kind of title I'd put on my LinkedIn profile just to impress my friends. But hey, if it helps people get into the industry, why not?
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What will you get aside than this certify?

Will this certificate give you a 100% guarantee you will able to work in Bitcoin sector? nope

Will this certificate make you understand about Bitcoin? not really.

I don't see any skill that you would get after completing this certificate except you're become a teacher which teach about Bitcoin in general. Without this certificate, you can still become a teacher as long as you understand about Bitcoin in basic and the difference with bank or fiat.
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August 01, 2023, 06:44:42 AM
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What are the benefits of being a Certified Bitcoin Professional? Do you get discounts, perks, or access to exclusive events? 😎 I'll enroll only if I get free Bitcoin with my certification.
You can put it in your CV and they would know that you are an expert when it comes to bitcoin blockchain and many other bitcoin related stuff, think of these two certifications like those Cisco professional certifications, you can only get them if you're really good and you passed their exams. This kind of certification is a good addition if you are a programmer or you work in IT related field but mostly programming since it's about blockchain mostly, many companies that are working in crypto space is looking for people that have the prowess and most of them pay well above the normal programmer pay grade and this certification helps you get on top of their list if not their attention.
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August 01, 2023, 06:29:46 AM
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I've stumbled upon this certification of being a "Certified Bitcoin Professional" (CBP) by C4(cryptoconsortium) so I think that I have to share this one. As we know that this is still an industry that doesn't have standards for being a professional and most likely it's just all about being a programmer/developer, project manager, trader, investor and etc.
There will be many people interested in knowing more about bitcoins when they learn about it, these people know that is why they have decided to make money from it by claiming to give certification. Many people in this forum have deeper knowledge about bitcoins than the tutors in these school for certification, and also passing through this school does not give any confidence that you know more than someone who has deep interest in bitcoins and a dedicated member of this forum.
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August 01, 2023, 02:55:53 AM
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What are the benefits of being a Certified Bitcoin Professional? Do you get discounts, perks, or access to exclusive events? 😎 I'll enroll only if I get free Bitcoin with my certification.
The only benefit i can think of is the knowledge you will probably get in the process, BTC is a decentralized network so nobody is really going to recognize you because you were certified by a particular group. The group that provides the certification might be made up of people that are knowledgeable about BTC, but because the network is decentralized they do not really have any authority to certify a person. You are not getting any free BTC's, perks or anything, you are spending your money to get the certificate.
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It's probably not very useful for anyone wanting to dive much deeper into it. You could probably learn more by experimenting yourself (i.e. playing with testnet) and talking to people on technical boards.

But if you just play with testnet, you'll have nothing to show the recruiters, unless you have made programs and demos beforehand to demonstrate your experience. And that will take some time - because the human mind is not exactly known to be creative without ideas.

Similarly, if you just study about bitcoin from various websites, these hiring companies don't really care much about that because you can't verifiably prove to them in the hiring process that you're capable of developing applications beforehand

What are the benefits of being a Certified Bitcoin Professional? Do you get discounts, perks, or access to exclusive events? 😎 I'll enroll only if I get free Bitcoin with my certification.

Very funny, but you actually have to pay Bitcoin to take the course. Cool
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August 01, 2023, 02:22:41 AM
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What are the benefits of being a Certified Bitcoin Professional? Do you get discounts, perks, or access to exclusive events? 😎 I'll enroll only if I get free Bitcoin with my certification.
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August 01, 2023, 12:59:37 AM
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Well, it is nice that Andreas Antonopoulos are one of their board of Directors, because he is very knowledgeable about Bitcoin and Crypto currencies. He will not back any bogus organization that will issue doggy certificated, because he has a relative good reputation in the Crypto community.

I have been involved in a lot of recruiting for posts and we do not even consider "certificates" that are not verified by our local registering authorities. That does not mean that I will not look into this... so thank you OP for posting this.  Wink
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August 01, 2023, 12:34:09 AM
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I would never pay any money for such bullsh*t.
Passing one exam and buying one course doesn't mean that you are a true professional. There must be a 4 year long university program for becoming an expert in cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology. The participants in such program must practice their skills for months or even years. Learning theory is only 20%, building skills by practice must be 80% of the entire crypto/blockchain education.
I guess that those "crypto organizations" OP is mentioning have found an easy way to make some easy money by selling "certificates" to a bunch of gullible crypto noobs.
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July 31, 2023, 07:29:21 PM
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all of this is to make sure that the project that they done is credible. I think such certificate can't be issued by non government institutions. we need a legal institution or group or public figures that credible and popular to issue that certificate because once the certificate is issued they will risking their credibility. in my country there is institutions called OJK which supervise any money related service, for me it is safer to use service that supervised by OJK.
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July 31, 2023, 06:59:36 PM
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It makes me laugh enough that a company invents a course of study on blockchain and Bitcoin and then wants to issue a certification to say that you are now officially an expert ... in reality you have stolen my money.  I would like to know who gives them the right to say that that certification is authentic, in short Bitcoin is not a product of a company and I don't understand how a company certification can become a standard...lol

Very true, only the company owing Bitcoin can give you the certificate of the product and no one owns Bitcoin.

For example, we see Microsoft gives us the certificate of the product which they develop like Ms Office Certified Engineer or Windows Server Engineering Certificate. Similarly, you can get certificates from Cisco and Oracle products because those companies own that products.

No company should have the right to give the Bitcoin certificate and I think this is another money making opportunity. From my point of view, this certification have no worth.
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July 31, 2023, 06:58:16 PM
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Interesting IMO.
There could be other organizations like Blockchain Council offering similar certifications.  However, forums and communities are great resources to learn for free and just thought of sharing this, ain't affiliated with them.

For me personally, i do not and will not consider any certificate from any of this firms important, it is nothing but business for me, they are just feeding on the ignorance of some people, what ever lesson or knowledge regrading bitcoin and blockchain that this firm is awarding this certificate for, same can be learnt and even extra ordinarily perfected through online courses from several platforms like Udemy and the likes, and the beautiful thing about Udemy is that, you can find any course there at a very cheap amount of money, all is required is your willingness and determination to learn..
I tend to agree with you that in fact, many certificates offered by such firms might not hold much value in the eyes of potential employers, especially in the blockchain industry where practical skills and knowledge matter more.  Online platforms like Udemy offer a wide range of courses at affordable prices, providing a more practical and accessible way to learn about Bitcoin and blockchain.

I think the credibility and recognition of these certificates depend on how well-known the issuing firms are within the blockchain community.  If blockchain companies and industry experts didn't recognize these certificates as valuable indicators of competence, then their worth is questionable IMO.
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July 31, 2023, 06:44:08 PM
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I imagine for Bitcoin-related jobs, experience is the most important quality in a candidate. If someone has a good portfolio of delivered Bitcoin projects, they don't need certificates. So they are only useful for people who only entered the field, but only if these certificates are recognized by the potential employers.
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July 31, 2023, 05:55:44 PM
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For me personally, i do not and will not consider any certificate from any of this firms important, it is nothing but business for me, they are just feeding on the ignorance of some people, what ever lesson or knowledge regrading bitcoin and blockchain that this firm is awarding this certificate for, same can be learnt and even extra ordinarily perfected through online courses from several platforms like Udemy and the likes, and the beautiful thing about Udemy is that, you can find any course there at a very cheap amount of money, all is required is your willingness and determination to learn..

Another thing i was even thinking about just about now is, lets say like the op said, that google seem to recognize the certificate being issued out by this firm, how many blockchain firm know about the firm and the certificate? how easy can a person with the certificate secure a lucrative job in a blockchain company? this is the only way we can know if those certificate are truly valuable or not.
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July 31, 2023, 05:21:48 PM
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Certificates are proof that you have undergone a test on what you know on the subject and the issuer should be credible enough to back you up on your knowledge about the subject, like you never know someone you met until you see the certificates that he received.
There will be a lot of jobs and professions that will include knowledge about Bitcoin and Cryptocurrency and you will need something like this to back you up if you're a company and you're going to hire someone you want to see as many courses your applicant has gone through that is related to the job applying, so is when you're an applicant.
In the future, we will have Universities offering this kind of course, there's a lot of demand in many sectors where knowledge of Cryptocurrency and blockchain is essential.

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July 31, 2023, 05:11:13 PM
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Institutions have been trying to profit from knowledge certifications for quite a few years now. The problem with them is that they are barely recognised as official certifications of knowledge to companies, and as another user said, is unlikely to be worth anything anywhere at this stage. Maybe, it's a step toward the best certifications standing out in the future and it will be worth getting the certification now for the sake of cheaper cost, as cost of a cert. might increase if it becomes recognised...other than that purpose, I don't see any other use case.

It will be hard to establish something recognisable and useful. At least, until colleges and universities create some form of certification and study. That is quite unlikely to happen soon, if at all.
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July 31, 2023, 04:23:33 PM
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Certifications are nothing more than awards or proof that you've undergone training in order to claim that title. In the grand scheme of things you're not necessarily as great as someone who had 5+ years of experience in blockchain technology if you've gone through an online course training program to get your certification lol. Nothing beats experience in this industry and I can attest to that with the fact that I had a friend in the past who bought these online course training programs, this time for blockchain technology and got his certification, in the end he worked at a fortune 200 company that doesn't even dabble in blockchain technology while another friend of mine who had 2 years of working closely with cryptocurrencies as a full stack developer landed a job in this industry and is comfortably working in the comfort of his own home. Not comparing or contrasting who's better and who's not, just that these certifications doesn't act as a guarantee that you'd be a master at the thing you just trained for. Mastery requires 20% training and 80% hands-on experience.
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July 31, 2023, 04:13:31 PM
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One thing to see if the certification is practical or needed is the credibility of such certification.  Is it credited by the authority to handle such certification?  Is the certification acknowledged by any government institution or private company?  Can it be used to apply for a position? Those are some questions to answer in order to say that this kind of certification is a must for career-oriented individuals.   But if it is not then I think it is just a waste of time and money.
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July 31, 2023, 04:02:18 PM
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SEC chief G.Gensler was a bitcoin lecturer at MIT a few years ago... teaching kids about bitcoin.. years later even gensler cant decide what bitcoin is..
just goes to show how poor even known institutions dont really know what they are talking about

In all fairness, I think he explicitly said that Bitcoin is not a security. He was undecided on other cryptos.

thats more about him not wanting to be seen as the guy applying regulations('not my job boss'), but everyone knows he is applying regulation.. again he cant decide to be involved or not be involved because he goes back and forth about if people should or should not register with the SEC

point being though he, as a lecturer should have been an expert first then be able to lecture it to others. but recent proof is he is not helping anyone. again showing that educational 'experts' are not certified enough themselves, let alone qualified to certify those they teach
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July 31, 2023, 03:45:47 PM
#11
Andreas Antonopoulos lost a lot in my eyes by going full leftist in some of his tweets. I've no idea what is he up to now.
The certificate was designed for professionals from various industries to get them familiar of what Bitcoin actually is and how it works.
It's probably not very useful for anyone wanting to dive much deeper into it. You could probably learn more by experimenting yourself (i.e. playing with testnet) and talking to people on technical boards.

SEC chief G.Gensler was a bitcoin lecturer at MIT a few years ago... teaching kids about bitcoin.. years later even gensler cant decide what bitcoin is..
just goes to show how poor even known institutions dont really know what they are talking about

In all fairness, I think he explicitly said that Bitcoin is not a security. He was undecided on other cryptos.
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July 31, 2023, 02:29:18 PM
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It makes me laugh enough that a company invents a course of study on blockchain and Bitcoin and then wants to issue a certification to say that you are now officially an expert ... in reality you have stolen my money.  I would like to know who gives them the right to say that that certification is authentic, in short Bitcoin is not a product of a company and I don't understand how a company certification can become a standard...lol

This certificate will be useful only when it is a criterion for one to secure a job. Certificates most times are not proof of proficiency in an area because most of these issuing bodies or agencies might focus on making money from certification instead of knowledge. From the little time I have spent in the sector, I have never seen a job vacancy that requires a certification for a Bitcoin expert. Most of these jobs require practical knowledge and most applicants are interviewed or tested based on how well they can apply their experience. The decentralized nature of Bitcoin and the anonymity of some of its reputable early supporters will always make it difficult to have a generally recognized certificate.
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July 31, 2023, 02:01:44 PM
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SEC chief G.Gensler was a bitcoin lecturer at MIT a few years ago... teaching kids about bitcoin.. years later even gensler cant decide what bitcoin is..
just goes to show how poor even known institutions dont really know what they are talking about
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July 31, 2023, 01:31:05 PM
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It's almost like a 'Chicken or Egg' situation.  Who certified them to be in a position to say you're certified if you complete their course?

Every time someone invents a new technology, anyone could come along and say "pay me money and I'll say you're certified".  Certificates are only useful if relevant industries accept them, but I suppose it helps if there are some recognisable names on the board of directors for this particular one.
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July 31, 2023, 01:04:43 PM
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While the prospect of earning a "Certified Bitcoin Professional" designation intrigues me, it also makes me suspicious. There is a clear need for more uniform qualifications in this field, but it is unclear if C4's accreditation, or that of any other group, can meet that demand. How does one become a Bitcoin expert? Programming, trading, investing, and other financial savvy would all be helpful, at least in theory.

In addition, developments in the bitcoin industry occur at an unprecedented rate, making it difficult for a static curriculum to keep up. It's like trying to keep water from dripping through your fingers.

Last but not least, an accreditation's worth is determined by its standing in the marketplace. I am interested in knowing how this certification is seen by potential employers. Does it set you apart from the competition significantly, or is it just another line on your resume?
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July 31, 2023, 12:57:05 PM
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It makes me laugh enough that a company invents a course of study on blockchain and Bitcoin and then wants to issue a certification to say that you are now officially an expert ... in reality you have stolen my money.  I would like to know who gives them the right to say that that certification is authentic, in short Bitcoin is not a product of a company and I don't understand how a company certification can become a standard...lol
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So what you are trying to say is that a person "going from one frying pan into another fire" Means you get out of one trouble to get into another trouble. Wow! Let me explain my words. Andrew Tate used to criticise the current education system as part of the matrix, which doesn't want kids to learn more so they can become independent. Instead, they want to teach kids only what they feel is more dependent.

So, when students leave the education system and step into making money, they choose BTC as the best investment plan for a lesser investment portfolio, and to avoid that education degree circle, they will again start another circle of getting degrees in BTC. Why would someone do that because such a field (which means this BTC field) cannot be 100% corrected or predicted by a certified person? So, what's the purpose of that certificate? Are they the true owners of BTC who are distributing Certificates for trading, developing blockchain, etc.?

They are nothin, and this is some next-level technique to lure people into wasting their money on such certificates so that they could show off on their social media platforms. Nothing more. 
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July 31, 2023, 12:07:21 PM
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My take on this one is that if you've got a lot of spare money and you want to get into this, it's just all about satisfaction and getting the certificate unless you want to apply for jobs related to Bitcoin and related to blockchain technology.
Two questions come to mind here. First is whether companies hiring "blockchain experts" require such certificates or care if you have one or not. Second is whether these hiring companies even recognize the issuer of such certificates!

I believe this kind of certificate is useless.

I have this certification, I was approved in this exam by 2018 ( It already expired). Aa company paid for my exam, otherwise I wouldn't take it.

One thing that is interesting about this certification are the people behind it: Antonopoulos  and Vitalik Buterin (he was when I took the exam, but I believe he left).

I wouldn't do it again, only if someone paid me to do it or to have it.
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July 31, 2023, 11:55:43 AM
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My take on this one is that if you've got a lot of spare money and you want to get into this, it's just all about satisfaction and getting the certificate unless you want to apply for jobs related to Bitcoin and related to blockchain technology.
Two questions come to mind here. First is whether companies hiring "blockchain experts" require such certificates or care if you have one or not. Second is whether these hiring companies even recognize the issuer of such certificates!

I haven't really looked for the jobs in this industry but from what I've seen from startups and other small businesses in this field, the experts themselves create these small companies and then they hire regular programmers, etc. to help build the business.
Not to mention that when anybody hires employees, they look for experience not certificates. For example when they hire a programmer, they don't ask them who taught them c++. Instead they ask them how many lines of c++ they have written and what programs they've created, and stuff like that.
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July 31, 2023, 11:41:11 AM
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My take on this one is that if you've got a lot of spare money and you want to get into this, it's just all about satisfaction and getting the certificate unless you want to apply for jobs related to Bitcoin and related to blockchain technology.

Being certified by any recognized institution is only a proof that you've undergone through their path while learning but the real experience needed is the application of what you've learnt into practical use, as long as you can perform upto expectation and deliver the best needed of you, certification works for you and the other prospect you may have with working with other organizations as part of their requirements, but if for yourself, you may not need that except you want to learn while having their certificate along as an added advantage.

But if you're for the knowledge, the forum is more than enough for what you can learn from there and it's for free and that's why we're all grateful that we're part of this great community. Probably most of those people that are behind these orgs have been here as well.

You're right, some of them may actually be here unknowingly to us, but what we needed is to ensure we have what is required to be informed about bitcoin and understand how the whole network operates for our own benefits, many never know the advantage this forum offers them until they go outside the forum to pay for same thing the learn freely from bitcointalk.
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July 31, 2023, 10:58:32 AM
#1
I am not sure if this was posted already and I know that many will raise their eyebrows on this one. Because we've got a lot of experts here that are technically knowledgeable and adept about the Bitcoin network itself and not just for it but also for other chains.

But out of boredom and trying to search for something related to this, I've stumbled upon this certification of being a "Certified Bitcoin Professional" (CBP) by C4(cryptoconsortium) so I think that I have to share this one. As we know that this is still an industry that doesn't have standards for being a professional and most likely it's just all about being a programmer/developer, project manager, trader, investor and etc. Here is this organization that has set an industry standard for everyone. Looking at the people behind this includes Andreas Antonopoulos as one of their board of directors. The rest of the team members, I don't know them. So they have a course just like any other in able to pass and get certified.

I don't know the credibility yet of this but searching a bit of its info, it seems that their certification is recognized based on the google results that came out to me. Going with the exam it will cost you $99.99 as per its website and then the certification fee is $39.99. They also have other courses like Certified Ethereum Professional, the rest is on their website.

My take on this one is that if you've got a lot of spare money and you want to get into this, it's just all about satisfaction and getting the certificate unless you want to apply for jobs related to Bitcoin and related to blockchain technology. Anyway, it's still best to have the knowledge when you're applying even without the certification as that's going to be more honored by a company you are applying for.

But if you're for the knowledge, the forum is more than enough for what you can learn from there and it's for free and that's why we're all grateful that we're part of this great community. Probably most of those people that are behind these orgs have been here as well.

There is also another organization that has this certification aside from C4 and that's blockchain council's - Certified Bitcoin Expert. And they've got more courses aside from this specific certification while for them, their certification is lifetime and for the C4, you have to renew it.

PS: I am not related to them and just thought of sharing this and thanks for reading everyone.  Smiley
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