Topic: Cex.io and Their MAITANANCE They are THEFTS!! (Read 2498 times)

I did grab 2 S1 and mine on ghash.io with seperate workers, along with my purchased GH/S on cex.io.
But as youll see in my recent post, they are lumping the earnings together and now they are charging maintenance fees on those earnings, which is of course charging me on the pool in a sense, right? I contacted support and they have raised the level to a stupidvisor to look into it.
based on the balance mining tab in cex.io, its clear that none of my earnings from pool mining are being recorded, and if they are, then they are being maintenanced feed.

Ridiculous IMHO about how this is being handled on my account

OK HERES MY GRIPE. Maybe im looking at this wrong, but hey, cant help but look at it this way.
Please explain where im off.... (THANKS IN ADVANCE)

I have 121 GH/S on contract with cex.io
I get deposits, but really not all that good. Here is the last few...(with a few trades of nmc and btc to more GH/S.

2014-07-29 08:45:50   -0.00004840 BTC   0.00002497   MAINTENANCE   -   Shares 98960 , Cost: -0.00004840
2014-07-29 08:45:50    0.00007182 BTC   0.00007337    MINING   -   Block #313015, Reward: 0.00007182
2014-07-29 08:30:24    0.00000154 BTC   0.00000155    SELL   0.00000001   Sold 0.00057773 NMC at 0.00268296 BTC
2014-07-29 08:02:30   -0.00003695 BTC   0.00000000    BUY   -   Buy Order #2032680223
2014-07-29 07:46:52   -0.00001293 BTC   0.00003695   MAINTENANCE   -   Shares 26424 , Cost: -0.00001293
2014-07-29 07:46:52    0.00007301 BTC   0.00004988    MINING   -   Block #313013, Reward: 0.00007301
2014-07-29 07:31:16   -0.00009613 BTC   -0.00002313   MAINTENANCE   -   Shares 196584 , Cost: -0.00009613
2014-07-29 07:31:16    0.00007299 BTC   0.00007300    MINING   -   Block #313010, Reward: 0.00007299
2014-07-29 06:25:14   -0.00143948 BTC   0.00000001    BUY   -   Buy Order #2031955499
2014-07-29 06:24:39    0.00000948 BTC   0.00143947    SELL   0.00000002   Sold 0.00347969 NMC at 0.00273013 BTC
2014-07-29 05:36:30   -0.00000965 BTC   0.00142999   MAINTENANCE   -   Shares 19720 , Cost: -0.00000965
2014-07-29 05:36:30    0.00007258 BTC   0.00143964    MINING   -   Block #313002, Reward: 0.00007258
2014-07-29 05:22:42   -0.00009558 BTC   0.00136706   MAINTENANCE   -   Shares 195448 , Cost: -0.00009558
2014-07-29 05:22:42    0.00007252 BTC   0.00146264    MINING   -   Block #313001, Reward: 0.00007252
2014-07-29 03:28:39   -0.00000201 BTC   0.00139012   MAINTENANCE   -   Shares 4096 , Cost: -0.00000201
2014-07-29 03:28:39    0.00007265 BTC   0.00139213    MINING   -   Block #312990, Reward: 0.00007265
2014-07-29 03:26:51   -0.00002394 BTC   0.00131948   MAINTENANCE   -   Shares 48952 , Cost: -0.00002394
2014-07-29 03:26:51    0.00007229 BTC   0.00134342    MINING   -   Block #312989, Reward: 0.00007229
2014-07-29 02:55:58   -0.00005041 BTC   0.00127113   MAINTENANCE   -   Shares 103072 , Cost: -0.00005041
2014-07-29 02:55:58    0.00007239 BTC   0.00132154    MINING   -   Block #312987, Reward: 0.00007239
2014-07-29 01:55:03   -0.00003186 BTC   0.00124915   MAINTENANCE   -   Shares 65136 , Cost: -0.00003186
2014-07-29 01:55:03    0.00007278 BTC   0.00128101    MINING   -   Block #312982, Reward: 0.00007278
2014-07-29 01:17:30    0.00000000 BTC   0.00120823   MAINTENANCE   -   Shares 0 , Cost: 0.00000000
2014-07-29 01:17:30    0.00007444 BTC   0.00120823    MINING   -   Block #312978, Reward: 0.00007444
2014-07-29 01:17:15   -0.00002132 BTC   0.00113379   MAINTENANCE   -   Shares 43584 , Cost: -0.00002132

Now the not only do i see their maintenance fees are WAY TOO HIGH, but i also mine with my own S1 (overclocked to 200 GH/S) on ghash.io.

NOW HERE IS THE TRICKY PART.
When i ramp up my miners on ghash.io. i am getting hit with maintenance fees based on my overral payout for the CEX.IO Purchased GH/S contracts AS WELL AS MY own GHASH workers.
WTF?
Really?

Support has said they dont charge maintenance on the ghash pool. i say they are charging me.
Here is the proof of the deposits at the higher rates (since they are combined from my pool earnings into the contract earnings and then charged the maintenance fees)-- RIGHT?
2014-07-28 21:26:48    0.00028385 BTC   0.00181087    MINING   -   Block #312950, Reward: 0.00028385
2014-07-28 19:57:09   -0.00000690 BTC   0.00128884   MAINTENANCE   -   Shares 14104 , Cost: -0.00000690
2014-07-28 19:57:09    0.00027644 BTC   0.00129574    MINING   -   Block #312940, Reward: 0.00027644
2014-07-28 19:47:40   -0.00002708 BTC   0.00101930   MAINTENANCE   -   Shares 55360 , Cost: -0.00002708
2014-07-28 19:15:37   -0.00000514 BTC   0.00077142   MAINTENANCE   -   Shares 10504 , Cost: -0.00000514
2014-07-28 19:15:37    0.00027306 BTC   0.00077656    MINING   -   Block #312935, Reward: 0.00027306
2014-07-28 17:34:07   -0.00008540 BTC   0.00030915   MAINTENANCE   -   Shares 174632 , Cost: -0.00008540
2014-07-28 17:34:07    0.00028307 BTC   0.00039455    MINING   -   Block #312925, Reward: 0.00028307
2014-07-28 15:50:56   -0.00016035 BTC   0.00011148   MAINTENANCE   -   Shares 327896 , Cost: -0.00016035
2014-07-28 15:50:56    0.00027182 BTC   0.00027183    MINING   -   Block #312913, Reward: 0.00027182
2014-07-28 12:50:27   -0.00000446 BTC   0.00000001    BUY   -   Buy Order #2024536482
2014-07-28 12:50:06    0.00000443 BTC   0.00000445    SELL   0.00000001   Sold 0.06830770 IXC at 0.000065 BTC
2014-07-28 12:48:53   -0.00234353 BTC   0.00000000    BUY   -   Buy Order #2024535947
2014-07-28 12:34:30   -0.00000089 BTC   0.00234353   MAINTENANCE   -   Shares 1800 , Cost: -0.00000089
2014-07-28 12:34:30    0.00028569 BTC   0.00234442    MINING   -   Block #312891, Reward: 0.00028569
2014-07-28 12:33:12    0.00028997 BTC   0.00211688    MINING   -   Block #312889, Reward: 0.00028997
2014-07-28 11:22:08   -0.00000489 BTC   0.00182691   MAINTENANCE   -   Shares 9992 , Cost: -0.00000489
2014-07-28 11:22:08    0.00028843 BTC   0.00183180    MINING   -   Block #312887, Reward: 0.00028843
2014-07-28 11:16:36   -0.00000978 BTC   0.00154337   MAINTENANCE   -   Shares 19984 , Cost: -0.00000978
2014-07-28 11:16:36    0.00028806 BTC   0.00155315    MINING   -   Block #312886, Reward: 0.00028806
2014-07-28 11:04:19   -0.00001831 BTC   0.00126509   MAINTENANCE   -   Shares 37440 , Cost: -0.00001831
2014-07-28 11:04:19    0.00029363 BTC   0.00128340    MINING   -   Block #312885, Reward: 0.00029363
2014-07-28 10:42:25   -0.00000189 BTC   0.00098977   MAINTENANCE   -   Shares 3848 , Cost: -0.00000189
2014-07-28 10:42:25    0.00029189 BTC   0.00099166    MINING   -   Block #312883, Reward: 0.00029189
2014-07-28 10:38:45   -0.00011689 BTC   0.00069977   MAINTENANCE   -   Shares 239024 , Cost: -0.00011689

and now for the proof that it was correct back on the 8th...
7/8/2014 4:20   0.00024139   BTC   0.00024176   mining
7/8/2014 4:11   0.00000036   BTC   0.00000037   mining
7/8/2014 4:03   -0.00291425   BTC   0.00000001   buy
7/8/2014 4:01   0.00000025   BTC   0.00291424   mining
7/8/2014 4:01   0.00000019   BTC   0.00291399   mining
7/8/2014 4:01   0.00000019   BTC   0.0029138   mining
7/8/2014 4:01   0.00000017   BTC   0.00291361   mining
7/8/2014 4:01   0.00000019   BTC   0.00291344   mining
7/8/2014 4:01   0.00000027   BTC   0.00291325   mining
7/8/2014 4:01   0.00000025   BTC   0.00291298   mining
7/8/2014 4:01   0.0000003   BTC   0.00291273   mining
7/8/2014 3:56   0.00000018   BTC   0.00291243   mining
7/8/2014 3:56   0.00000015   BTC   0.00291225   mining
7/8/2014 3:56   0.00000034   BTC   0.0029121   mining
7/8/2014 3:56   0.00000017   BTC   0.00291176   mining
7/8/2014 3:56   0.00000031   BTC   0.00291159   mining
7/8/2014 3:56   0.00000025   BTC   0.00291128   mining
7/8/2014 3:56   0.00000017   BTC   0.00291103   mining
7/8/2014 3:56   0.00000025   BTC   0.00291086   mining
7/8/2014 3:51   0.00000023   BTC   0.00291061   mining
7/8/2014 3:51   0.00000021   BTC   0.00291038   mining
7/8/2014 3:51   0.00000023   BTC   0.00291017   mining
7/8/2014 3:51   0.00000017   BTC   0.00290994   mining
7/8/2014 3:51   0.00000027   BTC   0.00290977   mining
7/8/2014 3:51   0.00000022   BTC   0.0029095   mining
7/8/2014 3:51   0.00000024   BTC   0.00290928   mining
7/8/2014 3:51   0.00000019   BTC   0.00290904   mining
7/8/2014 3:51   0.0000003   BTC   0.00290885   mining
7/8/2014 3:51   0.00000027   BTC   0.00290855   mining
7/8/2014 3:51   0.00000005   BTC   0.00290828   mining
7/8/2014 3:32   -0.00000055   BTC   0.00290823   maintenance
7/8/2014 3:32   0.00023434   BTC   0.00290878   mining
7/8/2014 3:32   -0.00001658   BTC   0.00267444   maintenance
7/8/2014 3:32   0.00023356   BTC   0.00269102   mining
7/8/2014 3:04   -0.00000645   BTC   0.00245746   maintenance
7/8/2014 3:04   0.00023223   BTC   0.00246391   mining
7/8/2014 2:53   -0.00003084   BTC   0.00223168   maintenance


SEE THE DIFFERENCES HERE?


PLEASE EXPLAIN OR HELP WHERE I AM GETTING THIS CROSSED INCORRECTLY, or there is some refunds due me i would say

Thanks a mil community!
FullIntegrity

I still keep in cex.io to date.
I guess not so harmful, because when you buy GH / s on them you can trade anytime and withdraw your capital at this site,

so far I only have 54 GH / s and the results I use for trading and from there you will be little benefit to cover the cost of maintence

Hurr!! I find it funny because I'm simple and easy to amuse. And I like to watch (or read about) people get(ting) their tits in a twist over the fact that it happened or that someone pointed it out.

Why do people find typos so funee?

Except for PB mining payouts I don't do cloud mining at all. Been burned to many times.

The ghash mining pool generally works well. They seem to have better luck than most and the fees are 0% so maybe the better route is to grab an antminer or two. 

people already leave cex.io long time ago
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/not-good-price-at-cexio-318349
especially when cex.io increase their fee

I was surprised to know there are still people who invest there
i even don't know what's the mean of it

LOL.


MAITANANCE

Funny. That's called increasing difficulty. It affects Cex.IO and all mining in general, though most people buying there are clueless about it.
Anyway, I'm not suggesting you buy from pbmining since I suspect one day it will vanish.

Not really worth it either.

You can see the payout is based on a formulation which does eat away your pay really quick.

...to get your calculations right => 30Ph/s is NOT 30,000Gh/s ,but IT IS 30,000,000Gh/s or 30,000Th/s !!!!!!
ALL NETWORK is currently approx. 75Ph/s and GHash.io is taking from this more as just a "FAIR" share!
....so GET AWAY FROM THEM!!!>they are currently "TOO BIG" and that simply means "TOO DANGER" for us,for the bitcoin!!!!!
To the "MAINTENANCE" => it is also INCLUDING power cost ,so you don't must pay any others expenses as (electricity costs) ,YES?
= can be currently very VERY PRICIEST !!!! (They can have their "MINING CENTRE" somewhere where electricity is very very cheap from HUGE NATURAL RESOURCES (as on Iceland or so...) + side product HEAT = can be used for heating...right?!!!)
=>I stopped my mining mostly because of that expense
...actually Don't you want to buy my USED RIGS ?? VERY VERY CHEAP !!!

I´m getting more BTC with 500-1000 Kh/s on Multipool on Ghash.io with autoconvert than with 15Gh/s mining BitCoin......

Never mind It´s jast ridiculus.. I started with them few months ago and everything was fine but money change people and services.

They also delete their documentation randomly whenever they want to raise prices without warning......

This.
If bitcoin price doesn't change, and difficulty is doubled, the fee % will be doubled.
If bitcoin price doesn't change, and difficulty goes up 250%, you will get nothing from your hashrate as the maintenance fee % will be over 100%.

Did you notice the date of that post is "November 01, 2013 21:05", and how much has the difficulty gone up in the 6 months?

Let me try to simplify this for you because I think you put way too much thought into it instead of reading.

1 GHS will earn $0.8693 in a month assuming the difficulty and exchange rate doesn't change, but they both will change.
1 GHS will cost $0.26 in a month

You are spending 30% of your profits today on maintenance fees. Keep in mind that the difficulty will go up and you will earn less over time while the maintenance fees have no guarantee of following that 30% trend.

They make this very clear on their maintenance page and in their terms of service.

I´m going to spend FULL 7 DAYS calculating my earnings and fees for this earnings...

I know that it is more than 0.26$/month/1Gh/s and it is not 4%

after 1st day it is more than 40% ...

Here are another persons from board that have thesame... some people just don´t look how much they charge....



and here are another screens...



Than They should chargme me about 0.00045 ( with current price) per 1 Gh/s
And I can make around 0.00146400 BTC with 1Gh/s which is about $0.83
Which mean that they charge more than 30% of my earnings....

IF THEY SAY TRUE but according to my calculates

4hours mining made so far 8147 Satoshi They took my 3438 Satoshi it means that They took 42% of my earnings

in 1 day i will earn about 48,882 Satoshi
in 1 day they will take about 20,628 Satoshi
now x30 days

I wil learn 1466560 Satoshi
They will take 618840 Satoshi

If I´m calculate good than they wil lcharge me    3.57 USD ( with current  price) And i have 14Gh/s which is 0.26$ per Gh/s

Yes i know but I´m not telling that they put bad % or smth i just wan to tell that They charge about 30% FEE!! They had 0% pool fee Ok but charging 30% ONLY FROM GH/S BOUGHT ON WEBSITE! (if You are mining with your own hardware You don´t pay maitenenace fee)

THIS IS CLEAR SCAM! You can earn AT THE MOMENT 0.86$ and They want 0.26% ? THIS IS 30%!!!!

Price per Gh/s is ridicullus as well.... ( but ok this is not their foult)

Ok nvm I told that BitCoin now is like piramide.... You need to always put more and more and more and more... I´m just waiting for end when BTC will crash crash crash.. why? everything have start and end....

Born - Die
You have money - You spend Money
You have Job - you lose Job
you lie - Someone know

This is why we have so much altcoins on market it´s like our new world.... New people just born... Good People and Bad people, scammers and workers, idiots and clever people... nvm I´m just out of this stupid website....

btw on 1nd account i have about 70satoshi per block and They charge me about 15satoshi good deal

- I paid for Gh/s
- I risk 8 cuz they have money if btc price crash)
- I need to invest all the time more and more not they.... ( they have good income accoirding to Fee and Maitenenance...)

btw

30Ph/s = 30,000 Gh/s x 3,57USD/Gh/s=107,100$ (~100K $ ) + Trade Fee

0.2 and 0.5 is big diffrence but ok let´s say 0.2%


24h volume:
75730.77550604 GH/s
with trade fee 0.2% is about 1BTC + Fee from NMC LTC ETC ETC ETC but ok let´s say 1BTC per day

30BTC per month from trade fee 30BTCx550$=16,500$

Arround 150,000 $ per month and they say that They are charging this maitenance fee even from Gh/s from refferals! i have 10Gh/s from refferals and they charge me as well..... this is stupid as hell

here You have more kinda fresh posts...

If you don't want to pay their maintenance fees, then mine on their pool using your own miners. 

Plain and simple.

For the record, I hope that they do change their maintenance fees a bit more, but they are clearly spelled out in the documentation which you apparently failed to read.  Their cloud service is best I've seen so far.

I don't see how they could make maintenance any clearer in their documentation. Most people seem to be buying up GHS as if they don't understand though. If someone tells you they are going to take x% of your profits as a fee and then they take x% of your profits, they are not thieves.

im like you to but if you have more ghs thats not problem .

This type of post should be removed by mods. What a joke

Please go back to school.

Oh WOW!!!!!! You're one of these guys. Standard Troll,

Why Don't you post the instances when CEX.IO submits multiple blocks in a row and you pay absolutely no maintenance fee as a result. You won't because that just does not fit your agenda here trolling.

CEX.IO charges their maintenance fees on a PPS plan. Although I'd like to see them restructure these fees too. I have to agree with their support staff on this when the say that their PPS plan is a fair way to charge these fees.

Here's why: You can buy and sell their cloud hosting service at anytime. Buy 1 GHS now and sell it a minute later. So on the PPS plan they're charging you based on how many shares your GHS submitting in that minute. They want $0.26 per GHS per month in BTC of coarse and they know roughly how many shares 1 GHS submits in a month and breaks that down in a BTC fraction price per share for you. If they charge you $0.26 for their fees when you bought the GHS and you sold it a minute later how's that fair?

With this site averaging 60-80 blocks a day you need to take the good with the bad. Sometimes it takes longer to submits some blocks than others and they charge the fees at block submission so you typically don't have to pay them up front for the fees.

If you think this is unjust sell off your GHS and I will buy them from you. I believe this is one of the best platforms for cloud hosting out there and it's getting better.

I´ve mad some calculations:

7506 Earned
3129 Maitenance

41%

Proofs:

I´ve mad some calculations:

7506 Earned
3129 Maitenance

41%

Proofs:




Ok. I have an account on cex.io & Ghash.io with about 14Gh/s

I´m mostly looking how it´s going and I just deleted all my bitcoins from this CRAPPY SHITTY THIEFT MASTER WEBSITE!

Here You have some screens why i call them THEFTS!

- 50% of my minted BTC was taken for maitanance..... WTF ? I´m idiot and I´m mining 50% for Cex.io? with 100% my invest?



Here They took from me about 80% of my earnings!!

They think that We are stupid or what? Ok usually it´s about 100 Satoshi ( look like 10% from earnings) but each few blocks it´s more than 50%

I´m getting about 1000 Satoshi per block and if They for each block are taking from my 100 sit´s bad!

Maitanance + Trade Fee + EXTREME HASHRATE DROPS!!!

Please better go out from this stuppid business as They are just fucking with us! with current pool hashrate and my calculations they are earning:

14GH/s - Each Block 100satoshi
140GH/s - 1000Satoshi
1400Gh/s - 10000 Satoshi
14000GH/s - 100000 Satoshi
POOL HASHRATE IS 28Ph/s which is 200000 Satoshi per block from MAITANANCE which is 0.2 BTC per block!!

Blocks per day = should be 1440 min ( 24H) / 10min block time = 144 Blocks per day let´s say that cex.io get about 50 blocks per day based on hashrate

50Blocks x 0.2 = 10 BTC per day

10 BTC x 30= 300 BTC

300BTC x 550$ =165000 $ per month

just from MAITANANCE!! now add trade Fee and mining fee ( this is not 0%!!)

Please don´t tell me that cost for maitanance per month are 165K!!

Official price for maitanance per Gh/s is 0.26$ ?? - PER MONTH!

and with 1GH/s You are able to make per Month    0.00146400 BTC   $0.83


It´s clear 1/4 of Your earnings!!! 25%!!!!!!
https://cex.io/maintenance

and Here they are talking about 4%???

https://support.cex.io/hc/communities/public/questions/200783457-Official-statement-about-the-maintenance-fee