Topic: Charity for Gamblers (Read 252 times)

Conclusion

1. Charity isn't suitable for gambling
2. Give awareness on massive losses and after consequences
3. Motivational and mental support is the possible solution to get rid of addiction
4. Never consider gambling a way to make money or multiply the money in the wallet
5. Gambling will be fun, until you win. So, you should have the mind to accept losses same as winning.
6. Try to learn all the impacts addiction can make in one's life before entering into it.

Thanks for all the suggestions relative to the thread.

You can’t help an addicted gambler with money or it is not a practical way to help them, I think its better if they should undergo counselling or psychological treatment. Money is not the tight tool, I doubt that they will use it in the right way rather it might only tempt them to do their vices again.

Man, why are you taking Stake into the discussion. They are legit with their service. Everyone try to stay on the safer side. Even in the very first post I've mentioned about the vault and other features that help in keeping our earnings safer.

Everyone be clear, from the very first post I'm requesting you people for some sort of plans so that users who are into hard debts out of gambling can get rid of their debt and start a new life. Maybe the help done by us is very small, but this is something life saving. I've seen several gamblers on the urge of ending their lives after big losses. I don't say what we do will reach the right hands, but for sure it'll be a life saver for someone who is willing to have a new life.

Whatever the signature we may carry we do not get any pressure to use that money fro gambling. I do not see your point.
In this specific case, which is the same for you and me, if you find yourself having troubles managing your sig earnings withdraw them straight away. Having them on the site is a temptation for you? Put them on the vault or withdraw them.
Stake does not force you to use them.

Each and everyone here say, gamblers will further spend on gambling. So, this isn't the right way to do charity. However almost every user here are carrying a signature of a gambling site. Being loyal to them is good, but we also need to think of the one who is missing his life. Majority stated its their mistake and they're responsible for that. It is the truth with gambling, for the same mere advice and motivation alone isn't a solution to make him come out of the addiction.

I'm against charity to addicted gamblers, because they will just keep wasting more and more money due to their addiction. The correct action would be to send this kind of gambler to rehabilitation, so if necessary contribute financially to his treatment expenses, but don't give money on his hands.
It's like alcoholic homeless people begging on the streets. Some people don't give them money, because they will be feeding their addiction this way, as the alcoholic will use the money in order to buy more drinks. Instead, people pay a meal or give them clothes, accessories, etc.

I really don't understand why. Someone who does gambling knows the great danger of losing a lot or everything. Only a very small part is lucky and wins a lot. That's why I say, it's ones own fault who takes this big risk. There are much more useful aid projects where people are affected who are not responsible for their situation, e.g. because they have suddenly fallen ill with a serious illness or people who have lost their jobs due to the recession.

No, I think that is not strange because as long as that person wants and has a big will to stop gambling, we need to help them solve the problem. Maybe that is not a charity because we help that person solve his financial problem, and he can survive but with a note that person must stop his habit of gambling.

If we can not help that person stop gambling, but we still give them the money, I am afraid that he will come back to the gambling place because he has the money to gamble. That is not good for that person because it will difficult to stop his habit.

But if that person regrets what he's done before and really wants to stop his gambling habit, we can help him survive by maybe giving him money to eat and help him with the other thing. That can solve his problem in gambling, and he can start a new life.

Sometimes we learn the hard way, if we get ourselves addicted in gambling, that's most likely will happen to us because we loss our control. If we help, it means we tolerate, but I'm not saying helping or lending an addicted gambler some money is bad, we just have to ensure that he will not use it for gambling again.

I have also been into debt in the past because of gambling but it's not as big as yours, maybe I should be thankful that I was able to overcome that problem and I'm sure I'm more smarter now.

Giving them more money to gamble is not a good way to help them, if you really want to help those gamblers who are broke and drowning on debt, then you should help them mentally and emotionally, encourage them to stop gambling and do work on other things until he paid his debt slowly.

I'd rather support charities working for the poor than to a gambler.  

As for me, it's better to help gamblers to know the risks of gambling instead of supporting them with their wrong decisions. Sometimes, people need to face the consequences of their actions for them to learn their lesson. We're always advised to gamble just for entertainment with enough funds that we have. We shouldn't let our lives revolve around gambling because it could take everything from us.

Most of the gamblers don't use there extra money to gamble. Only few players are gambling just for entertainment alone. You can prove this theory when you see the trollbox of the casino which most of the players there are chatting about how they lose badly and other sentiment. A player that playing just for entertainment will never regret losing. So therefore this kind of gambling is just applicable in theory only.

Winning probability in gambling is not fixed 50%. It depends on the type of game you are playing. 

Entering a gambling without having an extra penny that you can use in your gambling activity was a total risk. It isn't an economical practical way knowing that you have already less money in hand to meet your needs then you're going to gamble it, it's insane. Maybe there are some of us here trying to figure out there luck by gambling their remaining money hoping to make it double in case but honestly speaking gambling is 50% probability of winning and losing. I couldn't think i could take this risk so far.

So gamblers will keep betting with the money collected from others? Not a good idea?

When they are thinking about betting the first thing then need to know that, are they ready to lose this money?

If not don't gamble, simple!

Is this some sort of heroic thing just because you do feel out the pain and stress that they had been experiencing at the moment?I doubt that people would tend to give out even a cent.

Yes, they can give out moral support but not with money, its never been believable ever yet the reality would be totally opposite.Why would someone donate to other gamblers just to relieve out their stress to think
that they are also on the same stress yet we know that most gamblers are on the losing side.

Also, its up to someones will on why he lost up that much and dont expect that there would really be some aid or help in forms of financial or money but somehow you can get some moral support
but dont expect for some cash.

Charity is a dumb idea because even just asking one of the members or the community on making  some donation then everyone would really be pushing their backs on who would really
be the first to donate. 

are you serious about this? you wanted to Help/Support a Stupid gambler that losses His Money because of His own desired action ? Man you don't know what you are asking here, if this will be possible to do then How much are we need to collect because of millions of addicted in gamblers in the world?

Those gamblers must learn from their own mistakes , they must stand up by own feet so they will never do the same again .

I totally disagreed on this Idea , there are so much people that needs help but they are not gambler , so i would rather help them out.

Sometimes giving money is not the best solution since actually for doing that you are not actually helping it's because you are making people rely that there's someone will catch them once they fall and in debt again so I think what's best to offer for those people is to help them introduce on professionals since this is the one needed by the gamblers. They will never go to that place and got a huge debt if they are not addicted so if you know someone who got this problem introduce them first on psychologist so that there habits will get corrected first.

You know you are in debt already but you still keep gambling with the earnings you get here. So how do you support yourself? The earnings we get here are just too small. I assume you have a day job. I understand the urge to bet is scratching your back.

If your lender isn't about to kill you due to the big amount, just pay them bit by bit and continue working. no addiction can't be overcome when you know there is a responsibility on your shoulder.

I have to second every single word here.
It's absolutely foolish to even think that supporting gamblers with more money would  be the way to go.
First of all, a gambler needs to recognize his/her own condition and work on that first. Only after having recognized that and started a some human development path there could be some sort of financial support which would have to be linked to be progress made.
Charity and gambling in the same phrase sound like an oxymoron to me. Sorry

you know what's better? a charity that gives gamblers a chance to get themselves on a rehabilitation facility for free and a job that could help them get back on their feet once they are out of the facility. giving someone money for financial help because they lost in gambling wouldn't solve the problem and would not really help them but would just only help them continue their destructive habit. I have been in a rough situation before because of gambling but I am one of the lucky ones since I was able to pull out of it before it is too late.

it is to me too.

Couple of things we need to think is that before gambling itself we know that what we are going to do is high chances where we might end up losing rather than making money. But still we go ahead and take risk because we are okay even if we lose the money. Secondly, also we do gamble from spare money and not with savings, unless someone thinks can just double the money very easily and want to try their luck then that is different thing. So not sure how will it work.

I'm here mentioning the overall loss. Everyday we can't make a claim. Whats been stated above seems to be a claim for every single roll. This isn't possible, because this will get the user benefitted and the relief fund go bankrupt. We should have the claim provided only at specific time interval and not a regular claim.

I don't think its feasible, because there will be too many fraud claims. Let's say, I have $1000. I make three bets at 2x and win two times and lose once. I am at a profit of $2000, yet I can just show the proof of that one lost bet to ask for the relief fund. Sites too have privacy laws, they just can't give away a user's profit/loss data to third parties to confirm if they indeed have lost. The way to help them to become debt free is not to give them cash directly but to pay to the people who they have taken money from and ask them not to lend money to this borrower ever again if they ask it for gambling purposes. Then again, it's really hard to help people online because of exploitations. That's why there should be offline organizations that can be established to help address this issue. Only my opinion though

Going through the post @mauser a new plan came to my mind. The Gamblers relief fund concept is really good. With this I wish to add few more features. We can have a Gamblers relief fund club. Gamblers need to enroll to the club, and everyone needs to pay monthly premium. So, when one has experienced a massive loss he can claim to the club. The club need to verify whether the claim is true and take further action. This seems to be fair than providing free money. When this is done with the support of escrow, surely it'll be a helpful service.

I think it's a good idea. If you can afford it and help a fellow gambler out than go for it. It might a bit much for some to help out with 200 USD, while for others if should be no problem. The only concern I have is that offering money for free is that people could try and take advantage of it. There should be a system in place to check if someone actually lost 5,000 USD. Maybe we could set up a gambler relief fund for the once losing a lot of money.

I'm also not supporting the gamblers, there are people who are financially stressed without getting into gambling. If we go in-search of such people, we'll see lots and lots living around us. I'm here to find and help the one who is part of the Bitcoin user community, particularly part of the bitcointalk. If I'm not wrong, Bitcointalk have got a large number of addicted gamblers who need help mentally and financially.

I am really against supporting gamblers, it is like you are encouraging them to gamble some more instead of helping them to change their lives. There are a lot of people out there who are financially distressed who really need help, those who don't gamble. What problematic gamblers need is not financial help for them to cope-up with their losses, they need advice and support to overcome their addiction.

I think its the same with the charity to our forum as well I guess some of our courage to make art to help other people and deliver those funds to the people into the different country, bitcoin is one of the largest community too so its nothing bad if top gamblers will give some help to other people. I think this kind of agenda is suitable for the higher gambling campaign? because at the same time they are big already and can help other people at the same time there is a chance that the people will notice them immediately because they already help them so at the feedback promote in the other side.

I myself was an addicted gambler before, like 2009-2015 lost big amount of money, then I lost my job 2015, but thank God I have my family who help me out. Of course, there's a lot of struggles, lots of problems, and then the adjustment period. And when I was able to find a job, I don't know, I just quit gambling for good or at least now spending my paycheck after paycheck, like before. I guess it's the lesson that I have learn, that help me overcome it. Everyday I always think that I don't want to get back on that life again. I don't want my family to suffer, all I want is to bring food in the table for them. I still have debts but I continue to pay them every month because that is my goal as well this year, to be completely debt free. Not really sure about others, but If I did it, then others can do it as well.

I also think of taking my life, but nah, it will just give problems to those that I will left in this world.

I was a gambling addict before, the last time I calculated how much I have lost to gambling, it was around $6000, and I am certain it is even more, I had to borrow from people, and my life was miserable, there were even more that happened that I almost killed myself, I know how it feels to be an addict, people around me stop trusting me because gambling made me betrayed their trust, leading to depression for me. Not all can be solved but advising gamblers will just be the best.

I remembered at the time, if I have $5, instead to use it for better things I needed at the time, I will prefer to gamble with it, my phone makes it easy for me and make me easily accessing gambling sites. That is why I know if you give gamblers any money, they will also use almost all if not all to gamble, because I have experienced gambling addiction before.

I did not take my life, but everything seemed like life should end for me at the time, but today made me realize that if there is life, hope remains, I read about gambling addiction online, I knew I have to stop, and I stopped. I stopped in September 2019, I noticed immediately after a year, after gathering some money on this site, gambling still came back, I started to gamble again September 2020, just a year after I stopped it, but I lost almost $1000, I have to advice myself about this, and finally I stopped. I am pretty sure I have the control now, and even if I want to gamble next time, I will use the money I can afford to lose for it.

What can be best done is to advice people, they will be thinking they are professional and can do what others have not done before, until they know the more they gamble the more they lose. Having articles online about it, for gamblers not to go beyond using small amount of money will always be the best way. But many people are not accessing this articles and thinking they will win while using huge amount of money, experienced people like us need to let them know that their are more chances to lose than win.

We should let them to always know gambling should be for fun not a way to make money, aside this, I do not think there are other ways.

What can be done? From the quote it is clear that the aid provided will also gets wasted on gambling. We can't blame the gambling sites, because to keep the users within their own control different features like setting our own limits, vault and so many things are available. Even after this people losing in gambling is the true difficulty. Something need to be done at the earliest, or else we can see more people like me suffering out of financial depression. I wasn't able to think anything, my mind always thinks of making myself free from debt.

This would have been good, but we need to check the other side of it. Assuming I am gambler, I am addicted, I lost all, I borrowed, and I received a support fund. What do you think I will do with the fund? Most likely I will not yet pay my debt but use all or almost all the funds to gamble. Gambling can be so addicting at times, people need to check themselves, what will be best in this case is to just find ways to advice people to not use money they can not afford to lose to gamble, gambling should be for fun. I am so certain the support funds will be used for gambling, only advice is better for addicts so to correct them to gamble appropriately.

Man, if I haven't got into gambling I don't have a big expense to meet. With the earning I make I can happily lead my life. At some point accumulated little bitcoin and used into gambling with the mind of making money. I lost it, and further started to borrow and gamble to recover the loss. I won in recovering it, but the recovery I made gave hope of gambling further. This is where I started to loss big and end up with big debt. Every user have got different stories, you can't understand until you experience it personally. Also I suggest don't go for high rolls which is the major cause for the losses of mine.

Agreed on your statement, here the gambling sites have a big responsibility and they need to take it into consideration. When it comes to money, everyone is eager to get it. So, it isn't the mistake of the common man. Getting into addiction is a part and is due to lack of control. When gambling sites create an authorised service, automatically these sites can confirm whether the person has lost big or not and based on the confirmation statement help can be provided to the respective Gamblers.

I would open a charity for you and all like-minded people to understand the concept of Expected Value.


No, you couldn't. You could have less debt if you haven't gambled at all, but no, this story you are telling yourself is based on the fact that you do not understand the concept of Expected Value or Mathematical Expectation. I don't know if it's worth explaining it to you because I've tried it with other people and it goes in one ear and out the other. If I see interest I will explain it.

I've been thinking about such an idea for a long time, but the negative side is, once such type of funds are created, gamblers might just exploit it and psychologically take it as an added bonus only to boost their gambling addictions. I think we should surely help any gambler who's in debt financially only if he/she can show that they have quit gambling and done it for a long period of time, say 6 months without touching any gambling game. In that period they can save their own money too. This idea can only be applicable offline because that's the way to verify if the person is still gambling or not. It hurts to see people in debt, and I myself once was in huge debt, but the only way to avoid it is to completely get rid of the addiction

Myself got lucky several times, but I wasn't able to keep up the winning with proper exit strategy. Another thing, if I've kept all the earnings without gambling now I could've been debt free. Now myself was into big debt, and I've requested the help of different people. None were there to help me. At some point I even thought of ending the life, because it isn't an easy thing for a common man to overcome a debt of $50k. My mind says the life is given by God and you don't have the right to end it. With this philosophy I'm running forward. Even now I'm spending my earnings on gambling and standing empty handed.

Now my mind always thinks of people who are same as me. I need to support them, which means financially. For this what are the ways to collect funds and give it to the right ones in need.

It might sounds strange to encourage gambling through this Charity, but my thinking is to give life and hope to overcome the financial stress which is the major reason behind the depression of gamblers. If someone is found losing $5k on gambling and is in frustration. We can support him financially providing $200. Please putforth your opinions and the right way to help Gamblers financially.