Topic: China is getting a lesson in the "Streisand Effect" (Read 375 times)

I was watching this video and it had a great letter from a former Chinese student of his I thought was worth sharing: https://youtu.be/1WNLEicinw8?t=332

I told you that Communism was the creation of Western bankers. What about your comments is antithetical to my premise?


"Hong Kong Protest is First Confrontation in “New Cold War”—Marion Smith | American Thought Leaders"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGLE3iQzm60

Friedrich Engels of course, his rich friend. Capitalist in fact 

You called him shadowy hand in fact 

I will look into your article a little bit later, but i really don't think that Marx was creation of evil banks and evil jews. More like he was some kind of hypocrite who lived from "exploitation" of workers who worked for Engels.

Marx was an unemployed leech. Who do you think funded his lifestyle while he wrote his manifesto as well as other works? Remember, he didn't even write it alone either... there was a shadowy hand next to him the whole time funding and making his own contributions from behind the scenes. Furthermore it is possible for people to hold independent ideas and still have them manipulated to serve a purpose. They CAN'T create such a conspiracy? That is quite an assumption.

Another important part of this story, Marxism is based largely on the work of Hegel, specifically The Hegelian Dialectic.

Thesis + antithesis = synthesis or problem + reaction = solution

In the case of Marx, capitalism + communism = international government

Communism was never the final goal, but a means to an end.

So your argument is because The Bolshevik Revolution happened decades later, it couldn't be the creation of bankers? Communism is designed to be the system that lets them pick the bones of a nation clean after they have exploited capitalism to is maximal extent. It is right in the Communist flag for fuck sake. The hammer and the sickle are ancient symbols. The hammer represents building, the creation of capital, and Capitalism. The sickle represents the harvest, destruction, and Communism.

I suggest you actually read the book I linked. It is free in full for fuck sake, how easy does it need to be? It is not even that long.

https://archive.org/stream/WallStreetTheBolshevikRevolution/WallStreetTheBolshevikRevolution_djvu.txt

For honest, i'm very doubt about that. About Marx as creation of banks. It's easy: it was 1867 (his work Capital) USA was young country with own problems (colonisation of Wild West, Civil War and others) and in fact, banks of German, USA, England was decentralized from each other. They can't create such conspiracy with specific person (Marx).

And bolsheviks have appeared 50 years after Marx. Creation of USSR could be German and USA plan. But nor a creation of Marx, lol. Banks and goverments can create some figure now, with modern technoligies. But in 19th century it looks like conspiracy theory.

Communism wasn't an organized movement before Marx came along. Marx and The Bolshevik Revolution were all the creation of Western bankers. Effectively this is when it was created. You jerk yourself off with semantics all you like. Hey you know what, Hitler didn't invent fascism! Nope, he just happened to foster the most well known and destructive form of it that everyone identifies fascism with today, but what is important is he didn't invent the idea!

Let's be clear, you're trying to manipulate.

Your first statement was:

Now, you're trying to concatenate two statements: "Communism itself was the creation of European and US bankers" and "idea that bankers want to control everything and everyone and form international government above national sovereignty"

Even i agree with second, this doesn't mean that first is right. Even if they use communism and socialism as a weapon now, this doesn't mean that they created it.

For example: I'm using a gun. This is doesn't mean that i invented this gun. This doesn't mean that i manufactured this gun. This just mean that i'm using it, nothing more.

I never claimed they invented the concept, but developed, funded, and molded modern communism as we know it.

Your right, the idea that bankers want to control everything and everyone and form international government above national sovereignty is a whacky conspiracy theory! Never mind openly stated goals of world government and generations of banker enslavement... reptilians. Your ability for debate is on par with a drunk toddler with down syndrome.

And who funded Proudhon, Owen, Herzen, Thomas More (200 years before WallStreet),  Jean Jacques Rousseau and many others? Of course, we have obvious answer to it: reptilians
They created communism to keep

which is emmissary of Nibiru forces

And who funded and enabled Marx? Actually go read the book turd burgler.

Lol, here is (in your link) typical story about "Lenin was german spy". One moment: it's irrelevant was he (Lenin) spy or not. German or another country.

Communism was invented in 19th century by intelligentsia like Proudhon (father of anarcho-communism), Karl Marx, Robert Owen, Alexander Herzen and many other as an aswer to "wild capitalism" of 19th century.

Joke all you like, it is well documented modern communism was a banker creation. It was created to be an antithesis to capitalism economically,and fascism culturally. It is classic Hegelian Dialectic, thesis + antithesis = synthesis, or problem + reaction = solution. In this case capitalism + communism = world government.

https://archive.org/stream/WallStreetTheBolshevikRevolution/WallStreetTheBolshevikRevolution_djvu.txt

The funny thing about it is that US companies of different industries are sending their manufacturing machines to make those Chinese men to work. They are happy with the results that cheap labors of China is making them profits. If China was an asshole, the powerful countries would have bombed all but NOT and we all know why.

Lol, mostly it looks like "China, sorry for our words". The last history with NBA very indicative (also with Blizzard and Apple).
China has concentration camps and noone fucking care (if we talk about world politics from different countries).


"was the creation of reptilians and little green men" i little correct you.
In reality it was created due to time of old capitalism, where people often worked for 12-20 hours without any weekends

That's pretty funny. You are kind of right, but not in the way you think. Communism itself was the creation of European and US bankers to serve as an antithesis to capitalism and serve as a form of controlled opposition.

american billionaires, have modified china and added nazi kapitalism to it, thats the problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GIKqZlQPok

Some of the crimes are actually welcomed by the majority of Chinese, for example the re-eduction camps in Xinjiang. Some Chinese even think the CCP is such a retard that those camps should be set up much earlier before 2014 to prevent several attacks such as the one happened in Kunming Station.By making conflicts,stirring nationalism and censorship CCP is gaining popularity from majority of Chinese inside. However stirring nationalism is like playing fire, they may get burnt in the end.

Besides,some of the crimes are hated by Chinese not for the reason westerners think, for example extracting organs from executed criminals. This is hated because the govt or some related organizations take away all the income by reselling them and most Chinese think the income should go to the victims and their families while the whole process should be transparent. Most Chinese don't care about the human rights of a confirmed murder.

I can confirm Winnie the Pooh(维尼熊 in Chinese) isn't banned in China at least not on taobao(Copycat of ebay in China)
However strings like bitcoin(比特币 in Chinese) and team Rocket(火箭队 in Chinese) are banned on taobao FYI.

Just an update as well, as I don't know if it's been talked about here or in general.

China and the NBA are in a MAJOR international conflict right now, as the Rockets coach tweeted that he supported the HK protesters or something along those lines. Now typically what would happen is that China would demand an apology and the company would oblige - typically sending their CEO to talk to some high level Chinese officials and saying that they regret what they did.

BUT THATS NOT THE WAY THIS SITUATION TURNED OUT. The Rockets coach apologized if it angered fans of the team, but hadn't apologized to China -- the NBA stood behind the coach and said that they support his free speech and that was that.

Currently still ongoing, but I thought this would be interesting for everyone to hear about.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-has-an-apology-playbook-the-nba-has-another-idea-11570633239?mod=hp_lead_pos7

Yeah, I've read MANY articles on this sort of thing. Here's one of the many that I've read on the matter.

https://www.ft.com/content/961b4b32-3fce-11e9-b896-fe36ec32aece

Chinas economy is allowed to lie about the numbers because we let them do it. Think about all of the chinese companies that are on US stock exchanges that WITHOUT A DOUBT have fraudulent numbers. We turn a blind eye because China makes us cheap shit and we don't want to mess with the growth.

It's a great thing......

One critical point to keep in mind is China's economy is currently largely based on fraud and fake numbers. The CCP is a mafia. In order to keep criminal cartels functional, the spice must flow. With the world economy faltering, the world waking up to China's bad behavior, and the trade wars lead by Trump, this is putting the CCP in a very untenable position. As the fraud there in China becomes more evident, the people are going to be increasingly unwilling to cooperate with the CCP. I am of the opinion that it is only a matter of time before the CCP falls, and once that happens, then China will become the world's economic powerhouse and displace the USA in this role, largely with international blessings.

Without a doubt fair, we wouldn't want any of our Chinese friends on the board thinking that we're demonizing them when we're not. So that's something that I without a doubt think is fair to be explicit about.

I just don't see a way for the CCP to fall with the people under their thumb as they are now. It's not something that's going to be easy, and the people are going to need the support of other nations to allow for them to takeover the gov and be replaced with a Democratically elected one.

That's not an easy task -- and regime change always brings about the chance of a power vacuum and violence.

I personally understand what you meant, but I think it is important to be explicit, especially since a significant language barrier is involved. The people of China need to understand this is not an attack upon their nation if they are to feel enabled to resist the CCP. This is the CCP's primary strategy to rile up nationalism and cast foreigners as wanting to attack the nation itself rather than its criminal leadership. I don't think most of the mainland Chinese will be as much pissed over what is happening in Hong Kong, as they will see it as an example that resistance is possible. However when China's economy inevitably falters, they will in fact be pissed and be motivated to resist, and that is when the lessons learned in Hong Kong will become more important. China is a great nation with lots of gifted people, but its culture has long been festering under the rule of the CCP. China needs to bury the CCP and grow out of its corpse into the beautiful and strong tree it was always destined to be.

This is more of what I meant. The Chinese government is the problem, they've forced the Chinese people to work under horrible conditions, be paid nothing, giving companies pretty much all of the power in China, and have stripped them of basically every human right.

Illegals in the US have more rights then regular everyday people in China. That's truly saying something.

Hopefully the protests in HK spark anger all across China -- though I don't think it's going to happen.

China is a very fervently nationalist people. I think it is important to make the distinction between the peoples of China, the Nation of China, and the CCP which is largely responsible for most of the abhorrent crimes coming out of the nation. The CCP is not so much popular in China among the people as it is feared. It is essentially a mafia, and that makes them dangerous to oppose in public, creating lots of lip service and public support where it may not actually exist in the minds of the people. I don't think the people of China deserve to suffer, they have already suffered greatly under the CCP, but the CCP needs to be destroyed if China is going to enter the modern era with the support of the rest of the world.

As it should be.

China is a horrible country. One that has been able to bully the rest of the world into giving them what they want because they have a large amount of trade presence in the world. For decades we've ignored the atrocities committed by the Chinese onto their own people, and to others (think of the uighur's)

No other nation on this earth would be given the leeway that China is given -- the only reason they've been allowed to do this for so long is because no President in any country wants to be the one that causes some short term loss to the economy to allow for long term propserity.

Let China SUFFER.

If any of you have looked at any social media platforms (based outside of China) you will notice that they are being flooded with Winnie the Pooh and Tienamen Square memes. I think the CCP overplayed their hand regarding the recent NBA and South Park issues. Again, a brilliant satirical take down by Trey Parker and Matt Stone.

The world is finally collectively saying "CHINA IS ASSHOE!", and it is about time. God bless the people of China and of Hong Kong, and fuck the CCP.