Topic: China revised the number of deaths from Covid-19 (Read 324 times)

FYI, in China, people avoid docs and only go in when they're about to fall over.

ok latest news

chinas added 1290 deaths.. this is new numbers of some that just didnt go to a hospital tracking covid. (just stayed home)
but more interesting is. that some patients were discharged from hospital. thus ticked off as 'recovered' but then later died at home.

china have updated the 'recovered' to a lower number. so be more accurate to the number of people that got discharged and still alive as of today

again this is not a cover up. but more so of not following up with patients weeks after discharge.

im sure there will be investigations as the cause of death at home. and im sure idiot conspiracy theorists will stupidly make up stories about hospitals transporting dead bodies to their homes to fudge the numbers.
but i do not feel its a fudging numbers scenario.. but possibly a bad case of 'not following up' or discharging patients who refused treatment. left to travel home themselves. and to live out the last hours/days in the comfort of thier own home, succumbing to the illness

yep even in the UK. patients that sign DNR(do not resuscitate) wont be admitted to an ICU ward
which is the same for many other countries too

every country is doing its magic tally on covid19 victims and use it for their own nation sake some are just riding the hype to create panic and some are cleaning their tallys to control panic we will never know who is telling the truth by now but our duty is to keep our family safe

if there was a 10 point checklist of things to do in a pandemic
well
1. react within a month
2. get hospital supplies(protective gear/masks)
3. expand hospital bed capacity
4. contact trace all people near the positive patient
5. lockdown borders
6. not repatriate
7. social distance general populous
8. self isolate (allow daily exercise and groceries but home rest of time)
9. shield vulnerable/suspected contacts(full isolation no leaving home)(daily check and food delivered to them)
10. if numbers get to 1000's at peak dont open isolation until the isolation has curbed numbers back to double digits

china would get 10/10
UK in month one would get 0/10 and after 2 months get 5/10
US in month one would get 0/10 and after 2 months get 4/10

america are being very stupid by not doing the last point. which will hurt them alot sooner with a second wave happening sooner

I'd have to agree with this.

China coming out and rereleasing information from hospitals isn't evidence of hiding. it's probably the worst evidence you could provide. If you wanted to really talk about an issue here you'd want to talk about how the virus was growing so fast so quickly in China and then out of nowhere infections stopped being reported and it all just fell off a cliff -- which is an obvious sign of manipulation and bullshit. Other countries came out quickly to say that they couldn't verify if Chinas numbers were legit.

I know that NY came out earlier this week and had to re-release hospital data saying that now they had an additional 3k deaths reported for x time period. With a chaotic time like this there is bound to be some reporting issues. Though I do still believe that China is lying about their numbers, this just isn't evidence of that.

china made a big announcement with in 3 weeks of patient zero
china locked down that city within 2 weeks
china also contact traced people that came near those that tested positive and full isolated and daily checked those
this explains why china does not have millions

ofcourse even if you contact trace as best as possible some may slip through the net which is why the spread was not restricted to dozens, but instead thousands
china didnt door to door check everyone. just the contact traces people could admit to. so they didnt door to door monitor everyone to find the ones in the elderly homes


NO COUNTRY IS DOING DOOR TO DOOR CHECKING OF FULL POPULATION
MOST COUNTRIES ARE NOT EVEN DOING CONTACT TRACING OF KNOWN INFECTED
MANY COUNTRIES STILL DONE REPATIATION FLiGHTS FROM KNOWN HOTZONES

so common sense and logic show that china done more than most countries and they have shown good low results
other countries didnt do as much as fast so they have worse results.

but all countries. no matter what stuff they do. will have later results that show extra deaths by covid that were not hospitalised
just wait until italy and america finally reveal those deaths outside of hospital. then you will see its not a china specific thing.

UK recently revealed their deaths outside of hospital based on the first week of april.

It means China does have spared multiple resources to do recounting right now.

Had China still been in the CV-19 shithole, it would be impossible for them to do these extra works.

Every country needs massive testing they should not only test those with already symptoms but also those with mild symptoms or suspect to have one, what makes this virus so dangerous is the incubation period and the people being asymptomatic, you really never know if you have one unless there are symptoms or you have been tested.

For sure no data is 100% accurate on the coronavirus. Do you think that all the stats we see regarding the coronavirus effected people and deaths due to it, is 100% accurate. No, it is not. There are many deaths which are not reported and also in some countries, people died because of other diseases but they were written to be under the covid19 death numbers.

revising the official tally by adding 1k+ only?? lol are we being dumb about this? guess the number is a lot more. dont expect transparency when you are talking to Chinese... in the first place, why they wanted to silenced those doctors that wanted to tell the truth about the disease? and since they couldnt contain anymore because the infection spreads fast than what they thought of, why those conspiracy theories and rumours are coming up because they are not honest about it in the first place.
there are many unrecorded deaths in china, they couldn't even come up with real numbers here.

the point is its not an intentional cover up. its a fact of life that statistical monitoring agencies do not go door to door testing daily.
yes some countries will show low numbers(but accurately checked numbers in hospitals) whilst the numbers not able to be accurately checked will get tallied up at a later date may be even higher

yes africa is another one that will have a large amount of deaths outside of hospitals once they can finally get around to it.
many countries with poor hospital care, services just bypass the death certifying process and go straight to mass burials

this does not mean the virus is fake and not real
this does not mean government cover up

its just lack of ability to do everything required to get accurate results in a daily timescale that media want all this info

china did not hide anything. they just couldnt report a pandemic on december 19th (day after patient zero admission to hospital)
because it takes time to diagnose something new. it takes time for lab results. it takes time for a number of recipient patients to manifest with symptoms and come to hospital to then get checked and to find the common links.
it then takes time for people to contract it not from the initial source for them to realise that its not a localised thing.

china made an annoucement within 3 weeks of patient zero
all the ata was sent out. heck even interviews with patient zero after recovery were done by multiple countries


the real problem is although the world found out january 9th.
countries are still doing repatiation flights even now. yep 3 months later.
most countries only went into lockdown 1 month ago.. yep 2 months later

china new the problem and reported it when sure. and they went into lockdown in 2 weeks (late january)
they had extra capacity hospitals built within 4 weeks of the international announcement

yet places like UK/US waited until march before prepping

It looks like this coronavirus travelled into the air or maybe intentionally spread by some lunatic mind-controlled evil schemer cunning enough to hide its track for us to see. The magician's trick can't be hidden forever time will tell us when and how it was done.
Be patient and have courage brothers.

All other countries beside China had tests months before they had their first covid-19 case in their country.  If covid-19 virus would start in some other country then they would have a mess and had hard time to excatlly count how many patients died from covid-19.

Of course China is covering things up. The actual death count is over 40,000.

The real conspiracy and cover up is about why some countries were badly affected, and other countries not. Ecuador reports hundreds dead, but the real death count is in the thousands. Nicaragua has only one reported death. Countries like the US and India which have a low death rate are doing everything they can to make it look like it is very serious, and places that have it bad are trying to lower the reported numbers of dead.

fixed that for you.
people think that many countries are either evil liars or honest and well prepared.
no country is going house o house to check on everyone.
no country is testing everyone
no country at all

Exactly, the number of cases we are seeing were reported by hospitals and in bigger countries like China and India is is impossible to get accurate numbers because they are locked down and not everyone died in the home has been reported to governments and hospitals yet so we can accept the delay on the figures is okay.

Two words:  Damage Control

They're doing this right after the theory that the virus was created in a lab started to gain A LOT of attention this week. China's eager to score points with the world (w-we're being t-transparent, you guys), but that ain't happening, everyone already knows about the cover up.

Time for the international community to call out China.

As Dominic Raab said yesterday:

for the living
tests are again only given to those in hospitals mainly. by which i mean they are having respiratory issues to need a hospital and thus being tested to rule out other medical reasons for the respirator issues.

most countries news reports and monitoring sites have been taking those numbers with a pinch of salt and not presuming thats the number of people that have it. but the number of people that have it who are symptomatic and obviously have a large enough viral load that can be especially high transmittable. thus not useful for any general purpose beyond highlighting more people are in hospital with it than for other reasons

most reporting sites care more for the death numbers. which if they want uptodate numbers of people diagnosed and reported on day of death will only be reliable via a hospital reporting system

during lockdown those that have died outside of hospitals, wouldnt not have been visited by people..obviously.. thus would have laid there for days before being noticed. then getting a diagnoses of cause of death and a death certificate takes time. so expect big delays with cases no in hospital.

try reading why the numbers are different. not the conspiracy theory you want to latch onto

other countries did not have tests before chinas first case.
try to use common sense and ability to research, not story making next time.
this whole forum is becoming rife with silly people making up conspiracies which puts off sensible people from wanting to use the forum

First when covid-19 appeared in China no one knew what it is. It is much easier for other countries that had tests available a month before first covid-19 patients appeared.
We have a pandemic so numbers from one country dont matter that much. 150000 people died from covid-19 why would 1200 matter? That is less then 1%.  and the died long ago. I guess they counted them to die of someone else then covid-19.  Most people worldwide that died have other serious medical conditions.

Any figure they are giving is incorrect until they have done corona test for all the people in the whole country because there are positive corona cases even for asymptomatic people so many don't even realized that they had corona and died.

I agree with franky1. This is not China hiding its figures.
If someone says 'my previous figures were incorrect, these are the new figures' - then that should make you trust them more, not less.

Countries are overwhelmed, health services are overwhelmed, people who are dying of this are not just dying in hospital, people are dying in care homes and indeed in their own homes.

Data takes time to come in. There is inevitably a degree of late reporting when you are collecting information from disparate sources, especially in a country like China with a billion people.

The problem is that we need the latest data now, right now, all the time. The initial figures will be just that, initial, and subject to revision.

this is not china hiding things. every country is initially only counting hospital admissions, these new numbers are those dying at home/retirement villages, etc due to reasons and symptoms and tests that confirm covid related

the UK and the US are in this same boat too.. many other countries too but the most finger pointy ones are analyzinstuff the same way.
the UK this week has only released info that while they had 11k in stats released to the corona reporting sites. they had another ~50% that died at home..
US are only reporting hospital admissions and have yet to release info on the numbers that died outside the hospital due to covid.

there is no conspiracy. there is no china lied and everyone else is honest.
its just the way reporting is done where only hospital admissions can show fast accurate results promptly and verifiably so all countries decided to concentrate on those numbers.

China revised its official death toll for coronavirus on Friday, adding 1,290 to the number of dead.

Prior to the change the number of those reported to have died of the virus in China since January was 3,342. Analysts point out that this revision increases the numbers by almost 40%. That’s big. It’s also important because numerous models have relied on China’s numbers since the virus began to spread in order to plan their own lockdowns and mitigation efforts. In short: If China’s death toll was larger early on, and many of those deaths went unrecorded, this has serious ramifications for why things may have turned out so differently in Europe, the US and other countries.

https://www.[Suspicious link removed]s/m.jpost.com/international/why-chinas-revised-coronavirus-death-toll-matters-analysis-624948/amp

Does China will revised the number of deaths again next time
From this news, I'm not believe again with covid-19 data in China. What's your thought?