Topic: Chinese Government Plans Bitcoin Cap (Read 1781 times)

Capital controls are a fact of life in China and they are not going anywhere any time soon. But apart from buying bitcoins there are other more viable and a lot more effective ways to get around. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that the Chinese authorities should be more concerned about plugging other holes. It does not look like they are viewing Bitcoin as a threat in general. Surely it can change once it gets too big. But it's a long and winding road to that.

 

If they don't plan to lift the capital controls - then at some point they'll have to do something about bitcoin. And when there is any official statement - then it will be already too late for any reaction - that is for sure. That is why people take the rumours seriously.

The way I see it, no verifiable actions or statements have been made on behalf of Chinese authorities that could be construed as intentions to impose limitations on the use of bitcoin. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Most of them will either make their move when they can or they'll find other ways to get around the limitations put in on them and find another way to get their wealth out of the Yuan. Chances are a lot will get out while they can, but if they aren't moving anything yet chances are they aren't too worried about the government's words yet.

Let's say some Chinese people use bitcoin to workaround the capital controls. When there is a news that the government is going to close this possibility - then what do you think these people would do? Do you think they would run with fear or do you think they would flock to bitcoin while the opportunity lasts?

That clearly is. Heard-it-through-the-grapevine kind of bs posed as fact.

It seems that this year, major anti-bitcoin news came from China and it had a significant impact on bitcoin price, e.g Bitfinex hack (a Chinese exchange).

I really don't know what will happen with USA and China and if Trump act taxing China, it can be good for the world, the cheap manufacturer from there reflects in all world, making hard to people earn money working.

About the cryptos and government are just speculation, I don't think they really care since the marketcap of all cryptos are low af comparated to the economy...

It looks to be a coincidence, but already china had got the plan for implementation of their own digital currency. Recently the Chinese Yuan price went down, so as lot users were into bitcoin as well if the government adopts it then china acts to be the financial centre for all sorts of financial function when more and more countries get digitalized.

Possible, there is a news about this thing, but the news pointed a souce on some site and yet it was not there.  This is a tactical move by whales in my opinion in order to scoop a cheaper Bitcoin from shakened weak hands that sells their bitcoin the moment bad press or fake rumors occured.  And this is more likely the latter.

Is this another FUD ? where are the news source ?

That must be true, China is usually known for planning with long term goals, hopefully they might be having very clear plans about bitcoin and its associated things.

They are usually supporting their people to earn by any means, so they will not loose the opportunity in the name of bitcoin and its mining process. A government with huge man power and other resources will not limit their people's opportunities for no reasons.

I think chinese government is already half controlled by bitcoin elites. (They definitely have power)
So there won't be harsh limits, or tries. Don't even think about bans.

Chinese miners will surely don't gonna make this happen, there are lots of big bitcoin mining farms in china so i don't think there will be ban or anything limiting use of bitcoin in China.

However this is old news now, and there was no any official announcement regarding any plan to ban bitcoin.

If China tried to shutdown the mining farms, the rest of the world would pick up the slack....
Mining farms outside China would suddenly be hugely profitable again.... Even some people who have already quit their home mining might be able to get back in the game....
Not to mention the fact that these Chinese mining places are hidden in remote locations and probably owned by powerful wealthy people in China, they might ignore any ban and keep going, money makes the wheels turn in China....

Bitcoin is not illegal in Russia. That ban everyone seems so stressed about was temporary test ban, since that time ban is now lifted.
We don't have to worry about Russia banning bitcoin, history shows that they wouldn't be able to enforce it anyway.

China from the other hand can create far more problematic scenario - mainly because this country controls mining.
Of course bitcoin won't die - but we might see like -50% value reduction just because Chinese government try to do something stupid.

I think Chinese officials know they can't control Bitcoin, however announcing measures might deter many Chinese to use Bitcoins, and that's why they make these announcements.

As for money leaving the country (in BTC form or other), if they wanted to stop that, they could, it's a dictatorship after all, they can track money without needing a reason or a judge to sign something.

Whatever China decides to do, bitcoin will survive.  Bitcoin is illegal in Russia, is it not?  That didn't matter, and Russia is huge.

Bitcoin will survive Trump being president.  Bitcoin will survive WW3, which is probably going to happen under his presidency...bitcoin will be here, like a P2P cockroach.  You just can't kill it.

I find it suspicous you use a newbie account to post it news.
It all takes it to the level of FUD.

Remember that the Chinese governement implement many rules to avoid tax evasion, capital loss etc.
They do carry out many laws to make bitcoin less important, but like many goverenments before, it's too late. Bitcoin has become a player in FOREX. That's the sole reason we see this kind of volumes.

I doubt the Chinese gov does shit. They like having mining and exchange centralized in China, gives them power over the rest of us.

Good point. But they should have squashed it at least a few years back. It's not so much about the current market cap that's been rising, but the universal adoption. Bitcoin is yet to become a household name obviously, but it is already quite big in terms of global perception.

reported to mods to move to market speculation / off topic.

half tempted to report it as spam

I wonder what well happen to bitcoin in the future.
Will it survive in the long run or not only time will tell

It's future potential, innit. Anyone with some foresight realises that Bitcoin has the potential to become a vast deal if it survives. Far easier to take measures now to deter the masses than when they're all balls deep in it.

Don't be impressed by this giant lie!

The whole Yuan market included with Shanghai and Shenzen is around 10 Trillion Yuan? And they really fear a marketcap of 11,2 billion Dollar of the bitcoin?

Greetz
Steve

Even if they have a point sometimes, it's only the nutters on here who believe that. Most people aren't going to park grandma's operation fund in Bitcoin.

The price tripled because of many factors. Governmental policies are likely to be minor factors at best.

These rumors have been debunked by reputable sources.... Do not look for any biased reporting to be done by Bloomberg, they have shown their

tendency to shill against Bitcoin. Have a look at this ---> https://news.bitcoin.com/reports-china-bitcoin-exaggerated/ .... China is riding the Bitcoin

wave at the moment, so it will be ridiculous for them to stop Bitcoin support now. It creates jobs { mining farms / exchanges ..... } Your start on this

forum is not very optimistic.  

i think it's only a coincidence, i don't think this has much to do with what you see in the price, not only chinese are buying bitcoin on the market, there many other people that can influence the price with the same magnitude

They will fall time after time. Everytime they have tried to stop bitcoin we have seen the results: the local markets have gone up in volume, look at the Russian rubble trading volumes all over the localbitcoin Russian section. Government doesn't understand bitcoin already won and they need to get with the program.

I wonder how will the government actually restrict Bitcoins from going abroad... They'd have to try and restrict the whole network. News like these have been news for years. The only think I've seen them make is limit fiat accounts from exchanges and that's pretty much all the control they can do.

I guess the news wants to associate the recent price hike to this... Maybe it can be a cause. Not the first time we've seen price rises on rumors or uncertain situations...

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According to information obtained from ZeroHedge and Bloomberg Business, Chinese officials are considering introducing policies, including restricting domestic Bitcoin exchanges from moving the cryptocurrency to platforms outside the nation and imposing quotas on the amount of Bitcoins that can be sent abroad. This has largely been done to counter the rampant Chinese Yuan devaluations that have plagued 2016.

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Bitcoin price has since tripled over the last fourteen months, reflecting the economic policy changes in China to deal with the economic slowdown as well as the word-of-mouth about Bitcoin being an economic “safe haven.”