Topic: Christianity and Genocidal Violence (Read 391 times)
Here we go again, another one of those topics that attack christianity. Those 2 men that you speak of and the act that they have done arent products of christianity, they were ordered by the higher authorities. They were poisoned and controlled, they have no other choice but to obey those orders. Religion has nothing to do with that incident it was simply by a person's moral which led them to do that kind of thing.
Genocide is a particular thing. In order to classify as genocide, the attacker needs to be doing so with the explicit purpose of absolutely eliminating another identity of people. As far as I am aware, the US had no intention of killing off all the Japanese people in existence, but that the point was to send a message to them to stop attacking and attempting to conquer everyone else.
The Japanese Empire
If America wanted the Japanese people absolutely dead for the quality of being Japanese, then they would've continued to drop more and more atomic bombs until there was no more Japan, then they would've continued to kill any Japanese outside of Japan until there were no more Japanese in existence. This did not occur; once the Japanese surrendered, the killings stopped. It's evident that it was not an act of genocide, even if as a result a number of Japanese people died; nations attack other nations all the time, they don't necessarily do so because they want to genocide each other, it's usually because there's some other goal they're aiming for. I don't think anyone here is too naive to believe America was incapable of completely annihilating Japan if they really wanted to.
The second point: the United States may have a lot of Christians, but that someone is a Christian does not mean their behaviors are performed in the name of their religion. As far as I am aware, the US did not bomb Japan with the purpose of fulfilling their Christian faith. You could just as easily say, because the people who did this were white, then that means whites are responsible for this, then you could also say that because the people who did this were male, then that means males are responsible for this, then you could say the people involved mostly had dark brown or gray hair, so that means dark brown hair and gray hair people are responsible for this, furthermore most of them were taller than the rest of the population, so that means tall people are responsible for this, also you could say the people involved were well nourished, therefor people who aren't starving are responsible for this, also the people involved were alive in the 1900's, therefor people who lived in the 1900's were responsible for this, blah de blah etc. etc. etc.
Correlation does not imply causation, and not all members of these groups are responsible for the decisions of a few who happen to share some of their qualities.
if you can provide evidence that the people responsible for the two atomic bombs on Japan did so in the name of a Japanese genocide and that by a Japanese genocide they would be fulfilling their Christian faith, then you would have a point. Otherwise you're just practicing sophistry.
The Japanese Empire
If America wanted the Japanese people absolutely dead for the quality of being Japanese, then they would've continued to drop more and more atomic bombs until there was no more Japan, then they would've continued to kill any Japanese outside of Japan until there were no more Japanese in existence. This did not occur; once the Japanese surrendered, the killings stopped. It's evident that it was not an act of genocide, even if as a result a number of Japanese people died; nations attack other nations all the time, they don't necessarily do so because they want to genocide each other, it's usually because there's some other goal they're aiming for. I don't think anyone here is too naive to believe America was incapable of completely annihilating Japan if they really wanted to.
The second point: the United States may have a lot of Christians, but that someone is a Christian does not mean their behaviors are performed in the name of their religion. As far as I am aware, the US did not bomb Japan with the purpose of fulfilling their Christian faith. You could just as easily say, because the people who did this were white, then that means whites are responsible for this, then you could also say that because the people who did this were male, then that means males are responsible for this, then you could say the people involved mostly had dark brown or gray hair, so that means dark brown hair and gray hair people are responsible for this, furthermore most of them were taller than the rest of the population, so that means tall people are responsible for this, also you could say the people involved were well nourished, therefor people who aren't starving are responsible for this, also the people involved were alive in the 1900's, therefor people who lived in the 1900's were responsible for this, blah de blah etc. etc. etc.
Correlation does not imply causation, and not all members of these groups are responsible for the decisions of a few who happen to share some of their qualities.
if you can provide evidence that the people responsible for the two atomic bombs on Japan did so in the name of a Japanese genocide and that by a Japanese genocide they would be fulfilling their Christian faith, then you would have a point. Otherwise you're just practicing sophistry.
I find it sad that the best response christians have to their religion committing genocide is:
"But (some other group) does it too!"
Always blaming other people... when will it stop?
Who do you blame for the genocide of the village of a forum member by christians?
"But (some other group) does it too!"
Always blaming other people... when will it stop?
Who do you blame for the genocide of the village of a forum member by christians?
Religion based genocide and forcible conversion to a particular religion happens when the followers of that particular religion competes for the larger share of adherents. And this happens when religious bodies start to act like corporate entities.
I don't think they were thinking about religion when those bombs were dropped. Though i detest the act which caused a lot of innocent deaths, it also ended a war that caused and would probably have caused more innocent deaths.
I find it sad that the best response christians have to their religion committing genocide is:
"But (some other group) does it too!"
Always blaming other people... when will it stop?
Who do you blame for the genocide of the village of a forum member by christians?
I honestly didn't realize groups of Christians are still committing genocide (other than USA bombing/invading countries)... I thought that ended with the dark ages, crusades, inquisition, witch hunts and slavery
How long ago did they attack your village?
Happened almost two decades back. My people are still living in refugee camps in inhumane conditions. They can go back to their villages only if they are ready to convert to Christianity. The biggest joke is that all this happening in a country which is having a Hindu majority. Check this:
https://www.hindujagruti.org/news/15525.html
"But (some other group) does it too!"
Always blaming other people... when will it stop?
Who do you blame for the genocide of the village of a forum member by christians?
Being a religious Hindu, who had to flee his hometown to defend his religious views, I have to disagree with you. We take out religious processions in the public, as a message to the Christians that despite committing genocide against us, they can't force us to abandon our religion.
I honestly didn't realize groups of Christians are still committing genocide (other than USA bombing/invading countries)... I thought that ended with the dark ages, crusades, inquisition, witch hunts and slavery
How long ago did they attack your village?
Happened almost two decades back. My people are still living in refugee camps in inhumane conditions. They can go back to their villages only if they are ready to convert to Christianity. The biggest joke is that all this happening in a country which is having a Hindu majority. Check this:
https://www.hindujagruti.org/news/15525.html
Joseph Stalin, an atheist, murdered tens of millions of people by forcing atheist ideology over society. More than anyone in history.
I think that you are wrong. Stalin would be the 2nd worst mass murderer in the history of humanity. The first place would go to Mao Zedong of China. During the Great Leap Forward (1958-62), some 45 million Chinese lost their lives. Out of that 3 million were tortured to death. But there is one thing that connects Mao with Stalin. Both were communists.
Joseph Stalin, an atheist, murdered tens of millions of people by forcing atheist ideology over society. More than anyone in history.
In soviet communism (or stalinism in this case) the god entity is the communist party (stalin).
Joseph Stalin, an atheist, murdered tens of millions of people by forcing atheist ideology over society. More than anyone in history.
Sigh another post that entirely misunderstands reality.
If you want make ethical comparisons of the WWII combatants you simply need to look how each country treated its prisoners of war.
Total death rate for POWs in World War II
Percentage of POWs that Died
Soviet POWs held by Germans 57.5%
German POWs held by Yugoslavs 41.2%
German POWs held by Soviets 35.8%
American POWs held by Japanese 33.0%
German POWs held by Eastern Europeans 32.9%
British POWs held by Japanese 24.8%
German POWs held by Czechoslovaks 5.0%
British POWs held by Germans 3.5%
German POWs held by French 2.58%
German POWs held by Americans 0.15%
German POWs held by British 0.03%
If you want make ethical comparisons of the WWII combatants you simply need to look how each country treated its prisoners of war.
Total death rate for POWs in World War II
Percentage of POWs that Died
Soviet POWs held by Germans 57.5%
German POWs held by Yugoslavs 41.2%
German POWs held by Soviets 35.8%
American POWs held by Japanese 33.0%
German POWs held by Eastern Europeans 32.9%
British POWs held by Japanese 24.8%
German POWs held by Czechoslovaks 5.0%
British POWs held by Germans 3.5%
German POWs held by French 2.58%
German POWs held by Americans 0.15%
German POWs held by British 0.03%
You also need to take in to account the actual number of POWs. The Nazis held more than 4 million Soviets as prisoners, while the Japanese only held around a few thousand American POWs. The Nazi death campaign against the Soviet and Polish POWs was part of their plan to exterminate the Slavic race. But the deaths of the American POWs in Japanese campaign was mostly for propaganda purposes.
Sigh another post that entirely misunderstands reality.
If you want make ethical comparisons of the WWII combatants you simply need to look how each country treated its prisoners of war.
Total death rate for POWs in World War II
Percentage of POWs that Died
Soviet POWs held by Germans 57.5%
German POWs held by Yugoslavs 41.2%
German POWs held by Soviets 35.8%
American POWs held by Japanese 33.0%
German POWs held by Eastern Europeans 32.9%
British POWs held by Japanese 24.8%
German POWs held by Czechoslovaks 5.0%
British POWs held by Germans 3.5%
German POWs held by French 2.58%
German POWs held by Americans 0.15%
German POWs held by British 0.03%
If you want make ethical comparisons of the WWII combatants you simply need to look how each country treated its prisoners of war.
Total death rate for POWs in World War II
Percentage of POWs that Died
Soviet POWs held by Germans 57.5%
German POWs held by Yugoslavs 41.2%
German POWs held by Soviets 35.8%
American POWs held by Japanese 33.0%
German POWs held by Eastern Europeans 32.9%
British POWs held by Japanese 24.8%
German POWs held by Czechoslovaks 5.0%
British POWs held by Germans 3.5%
German POWs held by French 2.58%
German POWs held by Americans 0.15%
German POWs held by British 0.03%
In 1945, the U.S. was regarded as the most Christian nation in the world. About 70 years ago, two of warfare’s greatest genocide were inflicted when the United States dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians. The bomber crew, as were the two Christian military chaplains of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki crews, were products of Christianity.
Christianity began a cloak for genocidal violence in 20th century.
Being a Christian does not mean that you should stand there and take anything that the enemy throws at you and mind you the Japanese brought this upon themselves when they first attacked the USA, And this could have been easily avoided had the Japanese surrendered a long time go. It was the fastest way to end the way which they started. Christianity began a cloak for genocidal violence in 20th century.
In 1945, the U.S. was regarded as the most Christian nation in the world. About 70 years ago, two of warfare’s greatest genocide were inflicted when the United States dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians. The bomber crew, as were the two Christian military chaplains of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki crews, were products of Christianity.
Christianity began a cloak for genocidal violence in 20th century.
Christianity began a cloak for genocidal violence in 20th century.
They killed way more people through fire bombings (predecessors of napalm etc).
If you look at the whole picture Hiroshima and Nagasaki wasnt that big the difference was the radiation and that it was actually only one single bomb.
Christians are told by God to love other people. The people they should love first are their family and friends. This means that when they bombed Japan, they were showing the Japanese the way to Christianity... love your closest neighbors first... your family and friends who live with you and believe in God, against a hostile nation that is attacking you and doesn't believe in God.
In 1945, the U.S. was regarded as the most Christian nation in the world. About 70 years ago, two of warfare’s greatest genocide were inflicted when the United States dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians. The bomber crew, as were the two Christian military chaplains of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki crews, were products of Christianity.
Christianity began a cloak for genocidal violence in 20th century.
Christianity began a cloak for genocidal violence in 20th century.
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