Topic: Christians should participate in politics (Read 538 times)

in every country individual have equal rights to participate in politics and nothing like separation of people who will be into power both who call their selfs christian religion and other religions have same power with any other individuals and any religious people who is eyeing political positions is ready to depart from religious activities

Christians is not suppose to participate in politics despite that politics is everywhere both in the church religion and Muslim religion and for good Christian to serve God is by avoiding politics many who is in politics commit crimes to make good in politics and that is not what a child of God is supposed to be doing and when doing that is committing more crimes

Power corrupt, absolute power corrupt absolutely. It's not a bad idea should actually Christains are encouraged to get into politics, but the question is, what's the certainty that the said Christains like you say can be able not to allow absolute power intoxicate him/her.

Cause it's easier said than done.

Like the saying goes, if you want to know the real character of a man, give him POWER.

It is not a bad thing if Christians are involved in politics, even the Bible says when the righteous are in power the people rejoice.

But it becomes bad when power turns the Christian away from Christ. Because power do corrupt sometimes.

Reason why most Christian don't participate in politics they feel going into politics can weaken their faith. Because there are many things in politics such as high curruption which some Christian's feel their faith can't re-stand if they should go into politics. The only option they have is to stay from politics.

I totally agree with this opinion that corrupt politicians are a real crime. I hope humans, especially politicians, always put their conscience first and remember sins when doing evil politics

Why would every country have laws and rules to manipulate territory? It means democracy, communism, collectivism, etc is just a scam practiced by the government just to make people believe they have every right whereas it all a lies. Visit the courtroom you'll diverse of a case which doesn't worth jailing a common man but she/he went to jail for it.
Religion is not the answer to the political solution, what is needed is the reconstruction of political parties.
The government will be advised experienced people not to print more fiat currency but in the end, they won't listen.

Every country have,different laws and rules,to how to manipulate the country.If one country,DEMOCRACY,yes every individuals have the right to join in politics ,even different religions that you have.Important mission is to share to people that,good leader and knows to protect his/her fellow man.Not only Christians,can be or to be leader in one country 

According to what the Bible preaches,it's not ok for a Christian to go into politics,because the Bible says they are in the world,and not of the world.that is to say that they do not belong to the things in the world.
Secondly, we all know that politics involves a lot of lying,stealing,corruption in high places,bribery and all soughts of fraudulent act that goes against the standard of the Bible.
Nevertheless,there is a way that politics can be participated in,that will not deprave one.like in times of voting,a Christian can just vote his or her leader,and leave the voting scene immediately,without taking part in any other thing that concerns it again.

True but atheists have inspired other atheists to commit the most murders in history so absolute atheism has been proven to have spawned the worst tyrants to walk the earth. Fake Christians who commit murder,rape,theft etc aren't Christians. They may call themselves this but they are the opposite of what the Christian gospel teaches so an atheists argument about same goes for Christians is moot. The overwhelming majority of heinous crimes on a street level are also commited by atheists,satanists,occult worshippers,etc.

STALIN

"He was born on December 21, 1879 in Gori, Georgia, the son of a poor cobbler. He trained for the priesthood. His mother always hoped he would be a priest but it wasn’t to be. He was expelled from the seminary because of his revolutionary ideas.

Stalin played a minor role in the 1917 revolution. He made a name for himself as a gifted organiser and was hand-picked by Lenin who was another absolute atheist for the position of general secretary.

On Lenin’s death, Stalin’s ruthless quest for the top job began. In 1929 he launched a programme of collectivisation and industrialisation to turn his country of peasants into a modern workforce? The cost was astronomical with several million dying of starvation. Worse was to come in the killings of 1936-1939 that saw countless millions dead.

He had all opposition eliminated through a series of purges. Those who did not co-operate were executed or put into concentration camps. Stalin has surely amassed the greatest toll of killings of all time."

In the process he has become the world’s number-one tyrant and is likely to remain the same to the very end.





MAO ZEDONG

"During the year the author Jung Chang releases a biography of Mao that claims that 70 million Chinese died as a result of his policies.

Asked in an interview "who was the real Mao Tse-Tung?", Chang replies: "The real Mao was completely amoral. He rejected morality as an adult decision when he was 24-years-old and he said the world exists only for me. And from then on he pursued what he wanted with basically increasing power, first to become supreme party leader and then the supreme leader of China, and then to dominate the world. He single-mindedly pursued these goals throughout his life."

"People's Republic of China, Mao Zedong's regime (1949-1975)

Agence France Press (25 Sept. 1999) citing at length from Courtois, Stephane, Le Livre Noir du Communism:

Rural purges, 1946-49: 2-5M deaths

Urban purges, 1950-57: 1M

Great Leap Forward: 20-43M

Cultural Revolution: 2-7M

Labor Camps: 20M

Tibet: 0.6-1.2M

TOTAL: 44.5 to 72M"





POL POT

"Pol Pot was the leader of the Khmer Rouge and the Prime Minister of Cambodia from 1976 to 1979, having been de facto leader since mid-1975. During his time in power Pol Pot imposed an extreme version of agrarian communism where all city dwellers were relocated to the countryside to work in collective farms and forced labour projects. The combined effect of slave labour, malnutrition, poor medical care and executions is estimated to have killed around 2 million Cambodians (approximately one third of the population). His regime achieved special notoriety for singling out all intellectuals and other “bourgeois enemies” for murder. The Khmer Rouge committed mass executions in sites known as the Killing Fields. The executed were buried in mass graves. In order to save ammunition, executions were often carried out using hammers, axe handles, spades or sharpened bamboo sticks."

"Pol Pot," The Most Evil Men in History. (2 June, 2009).





NICOLAE CEAUSESCU

"Ceausescu had grandiose visions of leading Romania into a new age, and undertook massive, expensive, and somewhat pointless public works projects to achieve this end. Unfortunately, these projects ran up massive foreign debts as well, which he was unable to pay. The Romanian economy suffered, and soon collapsed for everyone except Ceausescu and his cronies.

Additionally, Nicolae had it in for the ethnic Hungarians in his country, and did his best to drive as many as he could out of Romania. Romanian citizenry was appalled at these policies, but were kept in check by the Securitate, his secret police, who kept almost 15%(!) of the population as paid informants.

...decreed that all Romanian women must bear 5 children apiece....he had specially trained birth squads set up to visit women at home and at work once a month, and administer pregnancy tests...As a result of this decree, state-run orphanages were soon filled to overflowing with about 150,000 orphans in a country with a population of about 5 million.

In addition to tapping phones and opening mail, the Securitate also required all typewriters to be registered. The penalty for owning an unregistered typewriter was death.

After receiving a death threat from an anonymous sender, Ceausescu ordered the Securitate to secure handwriting samples from the entire population.

Ceausescu was steadfast in his denial that AIDS was a real disease. He believed that it was mainly a syndrome of the bourgeoise West, and that Romanians would not suffer. So, of course, Romanians suffered. Thousands of the abovementioned orphans died of AIDS contracted from blood transfusions and shared needles in vaccinations."

"Nicolae Ceausescu," Everything 2. (2 June, 2009).




SLOBODAN MILOSEVIC (Serbian Dictator)

"Charges:
The Indictment charges Slobodan Milosevic on the basis of individual criminal responsibility (Article 7(1) of the Statute) and superior criminal responsibility (Article 7(3) thereof) with:

    Two counts of genocide and complicity in genocide under Article 4 of the Statute;
    Ten counts of crimes against humanity involving persecution, extermination, murder, imprisonment, torture, deportation and inhumane acts (forcible transfers) under Article 5 of the Statute;
    Eight counts of grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions of 1949 involving wilful killing, unlawful confinement, torture, wilfully causing great suffering, unlawful deportation or transfer, and extensive destruction and appropriation of property under Article 2 of the Statute, and;
    Nine counts of violations of the laws or customs of war involving inter alia attacks on civilians, unlawful destruction, plunder of property and cruel treatment under Article 3 of the Statute."

    "MILOSEVIC Case Information Sheet(IT-02-54) "Bosnia and Herzegovina" (3 June, 2009).

    Vladimir Ilyich Lenin (Russian dictator)

    "Lenin was the initiator of the central drama--the tragedy--of our era, the rise of totalitarian states. A bookish man with a scholar's habits and a general's tactical instincts, Lenin introduced to the 20th century the practice of taking an all-embracing ideology and imposing it on an entire society rapidly and mercilessly; he created a regime that erased politics, erased historical memory, erased opposition. In his short career in power, from 1917 until his death in 1924, Lenin created a model not merely for his successor, Stalin, but for Mao, for Hitler, for Pol Pot.

    It is, perhaps, impossible to calculate just how many tens of millions of murders "flowed" from Leninism. Certainly Stalin differed from Lenin in the length of his time as dictator--some 25 years to Lenin's six--and he also had the advantage of greater technology. As a result, Stalin's murderous statistics are superior to Lenin's. And yet Lenin contributed so very much.

Very few of Stalin's policies were without roots in Leninism: it was Lenin who built the first camps; Lenin who set off artificial famine as a political weapon; Lenin who disbanded the last vestige of democratic government, the Constituent Assembly, and devised the Communist Party as the apex of a totalitarian structure; Lenin who first waged war on the  intelligentsia and on religious believers, wiping out any traces of civil liberty and a free press."


 

BENITO MUSSOLINI

"Hence the fact that although Mussolini, like many of the Fascists, was an atheist and anti-clerical at heart."

Pollard John, "Mussolini’s Rivals: The Limits of the Personality Cult in Fascist Italy." New Perspective. Volume 4. Number 2. December 1998. (18 June, 2009).  

Losses by Ethiopians as a result of Mussolini's Second Ethopian Invasion::

275,000 - killed in action

78,500 - patriots killed during the occupation (1936-1941)

17,800 - women, children, and others killed by bombings

30,000 - massacre of February 1937

35,000 - persons who died in concentration camps

24,000 - patriots executed by Summary Courts

300,000 - persons who died of privations due to the destruction of their villages

760,300 - TOTAL

“Second Italo-Abyssinian War,” Wikipedia. (19 June, 2009).

"Over 5.2 million men served in the Italian army during the First World War Italy's total wartime casualties was 420,000 killed and almost 955,000 wounded."



 
     

   
 
FRIEDRICH NIETZSCHE (Philosopher)

"He believed that the values of self-sacrifice inherent in Christianity undermined the cultural development; that democracy and socialism, which treated all people equally, stifled individual creativity and genius; and that universal suffrage gave power to the masses. Therefore, it was up to exceptional individuals to take leadership. He outlined his plan for a new generation of “supermen” who “were free from sentimental inhibitions and prepared …to use violence in the building of a new, nobler world.” (Hitler was one of his most committed followers).

"Thus Spake Zarathustra" (1883-1884). Cited in Christopher, J.R., Wittet, G.G.,  Modern Western Civilization. Toronto: Oxford University Press, 1991, 214.

KARL MARX (Father of Communism)

"The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is therefore in embryo the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo."

"The first requisite for the happiness of the people is the abolition of religion."

"Karl Marx," Atheism. (2 June, 2009).

AYN RAND (Philosopher)

"She was also an atheist, and promoted ethical egoism...while condemning altruism."

"Ayn Rand," Wikipedia. (3 June,  2007).

“To live for his own sake means that the achievement of his own happiness is man’s highest moral purpose.”

Rand, Ayn, The Virtue of Selfishness. New York: Signet Books, 1964, 27.

 
     

OTHER EVIL ATHEISTS
   
 

ALFRED KINSEY (Sex Researcher)

"Jones (a former employee of the Kinsey Institute) “…describes the Indiana University professor as a "secular evangelist," "a scolding preacher rather than a scientist," and a "covert revolutionary" who "used science to lay siege to middle class morality." Kinsey, explains Jones, engaged in "a public crusade for private reasons."

Those "private reasons" included a bizarre sex-life that involved wife-swapping, homosexual group-sex, an extreme masochism that helped destroy his health, and, perhaps, pedophilia. At every turn these "private reasons"—perversity and a need for dominance over others—permeated his "scientific" work.”

“Kinsey’s fellow researchers also served as his sex partners. Their zeal for sex played a role in leading their research to focus on people who deviated from societal standards—pimps, prostitutes, homosexuals, imprisoned sex offenders, etc.—and away from those who conformed. Kinsey’s "methodology and sampling technique virtually guaranteed that he would find what he was looking for," confesses Jones.

Kinsey’s perversion was often self-destructive. For most of his life, he masturbated with a "toothbrush" inserted in his urethra. At one point, Jones conveys, Kinsey crawled into a bathtub and "circumcised himself without the benefit of amnesia." Perhaps most disturbing of Jones’ revelations is an incident that happened during the college professor’s final years. Jones explains, "he tied a strong, tight knot around his scrotum with one end of the rope dangling from the pipe overhead. The other end he wrapped around his hand. Then, he climbed up on a chair, and jumped off, suspending himself in midair." The self-inflicted torture would hospitalize him for weeks and, ironically, may have contributed to the untimely death of this champion of "sexual freedom" two years later."


BARON D'HOLBACH (Author/Philosopher)

"Denying the existence of a deity, and refusing to admit as evidence all a priori arguments, d'Holbach saw in the universe nothing save matter in motion. In this, he was influenced by John Toland. The foundation of morality is happiness: "It would be useless and almost unjust to insist upon a man's being virtuous if he cannot be so without being unhappy. So long as vice renders him happy, he should love vice." This theory of morality can be seen as a precursor to utilitarianism."



BARON DE SADE (Philosopher)

(18th Century French Philosopher who epitomizes the life style of many who abandon God and conceive their own immoral code. The word "Sadism" originates in this man)

"French philosopher Donatien Aldonse Louis de Sade argued, often eloquently, for the rejection of faith and religion and embrace of the self and its desires..."

"It was de Sade's unusual sexual proclivities that made him the man who lent his name to the term 'sadism', and although his personal preferences are perverse by today's standards, they were not particularly unusual for young aristocrats in the eighteenth century. It was his writings -- 'Justine', '120 Days of Sodom', 'Lusts of the Libertines', and others -- which branded him an arch pornographer. The lion's share of these writings involve varying combinations of dubious sexual activities, violence, and fecal matter."

His work aside, de Sade was a rather romantic figure, spending some 29 years behind bars (either prison or asylum), and escaping in circumstances that shame the Scarlet Pimpernel."


PETER SINGER (Bioethicist)

Singer, by trying to be more broadminded than is reasonable, has created a philosophy that actually dehumanizes people, reducing them to points of consciousness that are indistinguishable from those of many non-human animals. Therefore, what is of primary importance for the Princeton bioethicists is not the existence of the being in question, but its quality of life. But this process of dehumanization leads directly to discrimination against those whose quality of life is not sufficiently developed. Singer has little choice but to divide humanity into those who have a preferred state of life from those who do not. In this way, his broad egalitarianism decays into a narrow preferentialism:

When we reject belief in God we must give up the idea that life on this planet has some preordained meaning. Life as a whole has no meaning. Life began, as the best available theories tell us, in a chance combination of gasses; it then evolved through random mutation and natural selection. All this just happened; it did not happen to any overall purpose. Now that it has resulted in the existence of beings who prefer some states of affairs to others, however, it may be possible for particular lives to be meaningful. In this sense some atheists can find meaning in life.

Life can be meaningful for an atheist when he is able to spend his life in a "preferred state." The atheistic perspective here does not center on people, however, it centers on happiness. This curious preference for happiness over people engenders a rather chilling logic. It is not human life or the existing human being that is good, but the "preferred state." Human life is not sacrosanct, but a certain kind of life can be "meaningful." If one baby is disabled, does it not make sense to kill it and replace it with one who is not and "therefore" has a better chance for happiness? "When the death of the disabled infant," writes Singer, "will lead to the birth of another infant with better prospects of a happy life, the total amount of happiness will be greater if the disabled infant is killed.

According to this avant garde thinker, unborn babies or neonates, lacking the requisite consciousness to qualify as persons, have less right to continue to live than an adult gorilla. By the same token, a suffering or disabled child would have a weaker claim not to be killed than a mature pig. Singer writes, in Rethinking Life and Death:

Human babies are not born self-aware or capable of grasping their lives over time. They are not persons. Hence their lives would seem to be no more worthy of protection that the life of a fetus.

And writing specifically about Down syndrome babies, he advocates trading a disabled or defective child (one who is apparently doomed to too much suffering) for one who has better prospects for happiness:

We may not want a child to start on life's uncertain voyage if the prospects are clouded. When this can be known at a very early stage in the voyage, we may still have a chance to make a fresh start. This means detaching ourselves from the infant who has been born, cutting ourselves free before the ties that have already begun to bind us to our child have become irresistible. Instead of going forward and putting all our effort into making the best of the situation, we can still say no, and start again from the beginning."



HENRY MORGENTALER

Most  people around the world do not know who Henry Morgentaler is. In Canada Henry Morgentaler is a well known atheist-abortionist. Pro- abortion groups worldwide applaud  him as one of their heroes; Pro-life groups see him as a callous killer of countless human lives. Recently  Morgentaler was chosen to be awarded "The Order of Canada," for being a heroic defender of the rights of women. Is this man truly a hero, or is he an enemy of humanity?
 Henry Morgentaler has gone from being a law-breaker, for stubbornly performing illegal abortions, to becoming a Canadian luminary. He has just been chosen to be awarded the prestigious and coveted, "Order of Canada," the highest civilian award any Canadian can receive. The reason? Having helped to bring about the liberalization of Canadian abortion laws.




Alfred Kinsey



Alfred Kinsey was an infamous American biologist and professor of entomology and zoology, who made groundbreaking research on human sexuality. Undoubtedly, he helped to progress social values – but, nevertheless, he took sadistic pleasure out of his research, and did some very weird stuff, including exploiting children for sex. Moreover, much of his research was fraud.


Napoleon Bonaparte



Many people agree that Napoleon Bonaparte, heavily involved in the anti-clerical French Revolution, was atheist – he claimed that “all religions have been made by men”. He was one of the best ever military commanders, and conquered much of Europe. He staged a coup and declared himself Emperor. While he ended anarchy in post-Revolution France, many considered him a tyrant and usurper. He ignored treaties and conventions, seeking undisputed rule throughout Europe. He plundered conquered territories. His 17 years of rule resulted in the bankruptcy of France, loss of many of her territories, six million dead Europeans and economic setback in just one generation.



Than Shwe

Gen-Than-Shwe-MyanmarThan Shwe is the 77 year old dictator of Myanmar/Burma, the head of the ruling military junta. He has overseen the formation of one of the most closed societies in the world. There is no notion of free press, and journalists who opposed his regime are detained. Aung Suu Kyi, the leader of the main opposition party, is kept in house detention by him. Civil servants are forbidden from resigning. Burma has the highest rate of child soldiers in the world, and uses forced labor on construction projects. As far as dictators go, Than Shwe keeps a relatively low, and even sullen, profile. Nevertheless, he reportedly leads an extravagant lifestyle, while his people continue to suffer a life of extreme poverty and natural disasters. In the aftermath of Cyclone Nargis, he refused entry into the country for many foreign aid organizations.


Kim Jong Il

KimjongilKim Jong-Il is the de facto leader of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, and responsible for the deaths of four million of his fellow Koreans. He is also at the heart of a bizarre personality cult; apocryphal stories such as how “at the time of his birth there were flashes of lightening and thunder, the iceberg in the pond on Mt. Paektu emitted a mysterious sound as it broke, and bright double rainbows rose up” are abundant. Those caught stealing food in the famine-struck nation, or attempting to cross the borders, are subject to public execution. Kim is continuing his lavish lifestyle and military obsession in spite of the crumbling economy. In North Korea he and his father are deified, considered saviors of the whole universe. 250,000 dissidents are confined to “re-education camps”. He has waged a war on South Korea that involved assassinating South Korean leaders and blowing up South Korean planes. He presents a great threat to the world in terms of nuclear warfare, having persuaded the Soviet Union to award him a nuclear reactor in 1984.



Jeffrey Dahmer

Jeffrey DahmerJeffrey Dahmer, an infamous serial killer and atheist sentenced to 900 years in prison, said “if a person doesn’t think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what’s the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges?”. He brutally killed seventeen men and boys, dismembering them, storing their parts and indulging in cannibalism and necrophilia. In 1991, he was caught by the police after one of his would-be victims escaped. Despite pleading not guilty on the basis on insanity, the court found him sane and fully accountable. He later expressed remorse.


Jim Jones

Cm Cults-Jones HoJim Jones drew people into atheism through the People’s Temple, largely based in California. He said that he “took the church and used the church to bring people to atheism”. In 1978, 909 people at the restricted communist “sanctuary” he presided over in Jonestown, Guyana, committed “revolutionary suicide” at his command. This occurred after the arrival of an American delegation, which he claimed was conspiring against the People’s Temple. Men, women and children took a vial of cyanide and died within five minutes. Only a few people escaped. This event was the largest single loss of American civilian life, in a non-natural disaster, up until 9/11. This entry has the unique status of being on both the atheism and Christianity list. The reason is that the majority of people considered Jones to be the leader of a type of Christian cult, but, as the quote above illustrates, it was really a ruse to attract people who would otherwise have steered well clear of him.

The issue isn’t about Christians participating in politics, the issue is them not getting corrupted on there journey for a change in the political systems. Power is corruption and can corrupt even the best of persons! The notion would be true Christians but, there is a chance that they could stay true until they are not. After all, we are alm humans, the spirit might be willing, longing for a change but, the flesh might not. Even if you might get to encounter a religious figure vying for political positions, hebor she wouldn't even be supported by fellow Christians and should he or she even win, those within his or her cabinets will also constitute nuisance.

For me, it doesn't have to be one with a Christian background to make a change, it just takes one with a good moral standard. One who feels the need to be just and do things right.

Yes Christians should participate in politics to counter the threat from murderous marxists ,absolute atheists and social radicals whose ideologies have slaughtered millions across the globe. The Christian Gospel should be preached to all nations so they can be truly civilised and learn to stop running about after despots or becoming despots themselves. Mao was an absolute atheist as was Marx and both are responsible for butchering millions of innocents. Hitler was a pagan who practiced the occult along with his inner circle and they slaughtered millions of innocents. When you follow these people you too become the same and are capable of the most heinous crimes against those marginalised by your cult leader. The Gospel of the one from Nazareth addresses how humankind should live. Anyone who reads it and disagrees is a liar and corrupt. Anyone who attacks true Christian beliefs are liars and absolutely corrupt

Participating in politics shouldn't be a must or a do or die affair,the actual meaning if Christian means Christ like,and so if they are following the footsteps of Christ,the things of the world does not belong to them.
I am not saying they shouldn't be patriotic,I'm just saying that it shouldn't be a must that they participate in it.
Moreover,if politics was just a free and fair one,without corruption,without cohesion,without nepotism,without psychophancy,without bribe,it would have gotten their interest,but in as much as politics is a dirty game,christians cannot take active part in it.

It really depends to the perspective of the Christian but if the ruler is against to the Christians and does a lot of things that gives discomfort to the Christians and they're being targeted, you should think on that.
But if the ruler/leader is giving the favor to the Christians and he sees refuge with them, there's no need to join the politics. Politics from the beginning is already dirty.

Christians should participate in politics


If politics is as evil as some people say,
and if politics is what makes government work,
Christians better get into politics,
just to keep from being destroyed by government

The original government of the USA was filled by and upheld by Christians... and others who respected God and Christians. Don't let a good government be destroyed by not cleaning up the filth. If Christians don't participate, the filth will wipe them out, and freedom will even be gone for atheists.

I'm not a christian myself and you do have a point but you might have misunderstood the message. I'm not saying all christians does not like to participate in politics. I am simply referring to those christians who doesn't like to be a part of the system in politics. There are many people out there who are christians with different personality and characteristics.

That is why i included this part of the sentence. 

Don't you think if Christian's should go into they can change the evil ways that is a custom in politics . It is better to go and change things than staying a way from politics having a mindset that politics accommodates evil

Many are indeed ...but not all

Are you a Christain? What is your place in this world? Are Christians a different species from man. Why do we choose to alienate ourselves. As it has been from the old days, many so called Christains are hypocrites hiding behind religion

Your future judges will be the socially "progressive and woke" ( regressive and asleep on their way to damnation) class who will ensure "Good is eVil" and "eVil is good" 

Do as thou wilt

Trump would have had it a lot easier draining the swamp, if he had had a few Christians in government to help him.

Exactly,thats why they call politics a dirty business,it's not for gentlemen,it's not for the chicken hearted,it's not for people who have a good mind all the times.Politics belongs to the world,and Christians are modelling their life's after christ,which says they are in the world but do not belong to the world.
Therefore,politics cannot be a thing of the christians,because it's a dirty business,something that will deprave them,so staying away from it is the only solution to it.
In as much as they do not partake in politics,they still do pray for good leadership,peace and good governance.

Well, many Christians are in politics in my country and we have up to 20 Christian state governors, to a great extent shows that the narrative has changed in recent times, the role of religion in politics.
Sin in politics can only come when the leader is corrupt, and Christianity as a religion have its principles that will guide a Christian leader.

This has been the misconception over the years. Religion has nothing to do with good leadership. Good leadership is a function of individual discipline we have had many christians in power today who have still failed. Even most christian leaders do worst than the other religion due to the numerous outrageous laws and believe the try to enforce which even them can't keep upto. For me it would be best to keep religion out of politics that way we would save the ecosystem and make the world habitable

This is very true, obviously, there is no humanity and we can see it even in the local politics. Politics starts inside a family and even within a family there is inequality and racism there when it comes to in-laws, you will already see how people look at the bad side of things, pointing fingers and finding faults instead of solving problems. Religion only makes it worse when beliefs are not what others taught to believe.

When it comes to politics, I think less of Religion. What politics actually needs is the heart of humanity. Humanity is a religion and it should be studied by politicians.
Christians joining politics is not an assurance of good governance.
We have read where Church funds are misappropriated by pastors, we have read pastors unable to control their homes. So, what is needed in politics is humanity and not religion. In multi religious countries, the emergency of a leader from one religion always causes misunderstandings.

As a Christian myself, I don't think that being in this religious group is a reason for not voting and such. Christians believes in mercy, salvation, and forgiveness as such we don't want to judge others for any reason that you might think of.

Christianity or any other religion will never be a reason for any individual to stop from participating in this government changing activities, it is their own personality themselves.

Civil administration requires punishments, which sometimes have to include death. How can christians assume it, and not become a weakness point allowing the spawns of hell to take control?

How do you feel when I say : Murderers, Thieves, Liars and Rapists should lead the church (not as repentants but currently murdering, stealing, rapping, lying).

You don't get my point? logical, you just want power. but why?

Indeed, it would be a total disaster if your employee would rather pray and let the almighty handle the job rather than fully see the out come of the job.

How I hate seeing people praying and praying for jobs to come look for them, for money to come knock into the door, rather than finding one. It's literally pissing me off

It's written in the Bible that you cannot serve two masters, you will love the other and you will hate the other, and besides politics is full of corruption, and there's a lot of lies involved in politics, there's a lot of corruption on politics, there a possibility that the Christian's believe will be compromised, the kingdom of the Christians is not in this world.

In belief of its existence, Christians who are mature in understanding recognizes the power of the state and they shouldn't intervene on it. But, many has different understanding on that notion that leads a lot of debate and others that results in wrong understanding.

The people who wrote that were hoping that the public would recognize that government is a religion and a church, and shut it down.

Of course, maybe the public shut it down long ago, but on its deathbed, it convinced us all that it was still alive... and here we are trying to make something work that doesn't exist.

Better not, there's a separation of the state and the church and real Christians understands that they have to be subject with the high powers which is pertaining to the government. It's on the bible and they should know about it.

I like your opinion but not now it's different from the past...

nowadays many pastors have learned from the past and think politics is bad even though many don't think so. but it cannot be denied that the role of religion in a country is still strong.

Wow...you have written well and this will send a message to those that are seeing this to tell those christians who might have ignored politics to embrace it with face even though politics has much evil in it. If we don't take the big positions in politics, who will? Are we going to continue like this and be watching things got spoil?

A pastor has a job already. If his church is a 501(c)(3) corporation, he is already partially under the control of the government regarding what he can preach and can't preach (USA). So, he is in politics already, like it or not.

A pastor or anybody else can change jobs if they want. King David of the Old Testament WAS the government. But by believing the promise of the Messiah, he was essentially a Christian even back then.

People think that God is going to take care of them. And He does. But often He'd like to use them to take care of themselves, as He used King David, one of the bloodiest kings of Israel.

Read the Psalms in the Bible, and see the attitude David had while he was killing off surrounding nations for the Lord.

a devout Christian is very afraid to get involved in politics...

Politics is a world that is synonymous with 'falsehood', so a devout Christian will not take the risk of entering it. I know a pastor who really cares about the homeless but he really hates being offered to enter politics.

That's why you're not hiring. You're not smart enough to know how to run a business with only the dud employees you would hire.

If I was hiring someone for a decision-making position, I would not hire anyone who thinks that Earth is 10,000 years old,
that global flood actually happened, that snake could talk or that someone can just create a human from dirt or rib bone.
No matter how good the person might be. 

I would question their education, ability to critically process information, and their judgment.

For a menial job, yeah, no problem.  These irrational beliefs would not matter much unless they would tell me they actually hear
God's voice. That would disqualify them from any job as it would be a clinical symptom of some mental disorder.

BTW, there are many atheists who were born into non-Christian religious cults.

One might be able to take the name of a a different religion any time he wants. But if it doesn't take a length of time, he is lying. Take yourself for example. You could easily lie and say that you have turned Christian or Jew or Muslim, back and forth any number of times in the hour. But if you haven't been lying about your atheism all along, it would really take a long time for you to truthfully change into one of these three.

Your rant against born again Christians, if you are sincere, shows that you haven't really taken Christianity to heart in examination, no matter how much of it you learned in class.

It's not what is written on a job resume that counts. Rather, it is what is in the heart that counts. Ask yourself, Would you accept a true Christian faster than he would accept you... on the job, or in life? Would you be more fun to work with than the Christian? Which of you, when working together, would cause the better production?

A Muslim is very similar to an atheist. The simple difference is that the Muslim says there is a god. The better acting person is often the atheist, because he has been raised in a generally Christian society. It comes automatically for him, even though he is an atheist.

EVERYONE should participate in politics. People should have a say on how they are governed. However it should be that it can benefit everyone and that would usually mean keeping politics secular, so as not to give one particular creed disproportionate privileges over others.


Replace "Christians" with "Muslims" and it sound like something ISIS or the Taliban is likely to say. Don't sound like those nutjobs.


Those are the sort of people that malfunction at statements like "Islam is right about women". 

exactly! it is a little scary that they think that being a Christian and in politics would make the world a better place. I wouldn't be surprised if they said that God and his teachings will show the right path to these "Christian politicians" and lead the world to a better place.

they would probably say "I am okay with it" just to save face.

Politics is a science based culture that emerges from within society to govern by which a particular body or authority governs the state. Not only christians but all people can participate here it will only depend on their mindset not all leaders who participate in politics are bad it is a platform where everyone is involved in corruption by forcing them to be bad. The human race is governed by the state and which creates interrelationships between the people of the society and maintains the balance of power some policies are needed to run the state those principles are politics.

Does religion has anything to do with how politics works? does christianity makes politics "GOOD"?

Christianity is nothing but a religion that must not be and never be connected to politics. That is why there is always the separation of church and state.

+1

Not only that.  One can turn into a Christian, Jew, or Muslim in a split second.  It means nothing to say I am so and so.

I am all for meritocracy.  I would want the smartest, most skilled people in the government, not some schmucks who can't spell their names, but can say "I am a born again Christian".  

Religious affiliation does not add anything to one's resume.  People who think that it does are not thinking straight.

Ask them: "Should Muslims dominate every sector?"

that impact won't be positive. so no. history speaks for itself. having religious nuts on every corner of politics will just lead to chaos. like I said before, a religious person doesn't mean that person is a good person or will be a good politician

did they change the meaning of religion? or did you just gave it a different meaning to justify your views?

Christians don't have success, because down deep they are telling themselves they are not worthy of having success, because of their sins.

Unbelievers have success because they don't have a clear recognition of their sins, and so, don't feel as guilty, and therefore as unworthy to have their success as Christians do.

The problem with Christians is that they are barely more or less believing than unbelievers. Jesus said in Matthew:
Jesus was talking to the weak believers of His day. But they still didn't get it. So, He continued with:
He told them that they were evil, but that their Heavenly Father still gave them good gifts. Why? Because they and everybody are forgiven in Jesus. All people ARE worthy through Jesus to have good gifts... essentially whatever they ask for, seek, and knock. It's just that they don't know it, or maybe believe it.

Then Jesus warns them that they are not going to get the good gifts if they sin, because they will feel so unworthy that they won't ask in faith that they CAN receive. He continues:
So I tell you. Stop sinning (even though all is forgiven), so that you don't have anything to feel guilty about, so that you are not blocked in your asking. That's why Isaiah says, Isaiah 59:2:
It's not that God is withholding forgiveness. It's that you feel so guilty that you don't feel worthy of the forgiveness, and you reject it. And when you don't feel worthy, you also don't feel worthy that your prayers should be answered, "Ask and it will be given to you..."

So, be forgiven in Jesus, sin no longer so that you don't reject your forgiveness, then get into politics and government and have success in everything you do.

A lot of Christians participate in politics but it's not what will solve everything in governments. No one is really bad in the world. We are all good people who want peace and harmony but we are good people who do bad things. This is because politics is not a platform to show goodness, politics is about ruling and dominance leaders are showing their ruthlessness in this arena.

Very correct,christians can also have impact on the world by showing good examples to others.Doing good always and making positive impact on every sector of the society.Christians sometime believe they are not part of the things of the world,they tend to isolate themselves,but taking part in the things of the world like politics,showing good examples to world and the people around us will help in spreading the gospel.

Government, also, is a religion.     

Preach!!! Christains should dominate every sector. That is the easiest way we can impact this world.

Christians should be at the forefront of politics and in every field, not just in Africa but all over the world.

Religious freedom implies freedom from religion.  
You are free to practice whatever religion you want, but not to force your religious beliefs on others.
That is not freedom, that is religious despotism.

Government should be secular so that it can remain impartial to any religion.

Nobody is banning your religion.  
Build as many mosques, synagogues, churches as you want, as long as you don't commit any crimes
(child molestation, underage sex, physical abuse, fraud, tax evasion) you can practice any religion you want.  

That is what religious freedom means.

Secular government guarantees that religious freedom.  

All you are doing is trying to push your religion as the only religion in government. The First Amendment has as it first part of importance, religious freedom. What that means is that religion is in government, in all its forms, so that there is basic freedom for all.

I'm not asking you to admit that you are anti-American.

Let's keep religion out of politics and out of government.  

Keep your preferred ancient myth to yourself and your psychiatrist.

Nobody needs to hear about your delusion.

for hundreds of years.. religion was government.. then some decided they needed something different. which is why politics came about

having 'god' as president where no one can question his motives nor question his messengers (the real leaders) made for a totalitarian and tyranical leadership. you cant de-throne 'god' because you cant even see where he sits to throw him off the seat

so people decided to get away from those countries and start new countries with new laws. not controlled by religion

government is suppose to be a different option than religion and only mention religion to pander to religious people to win them over to politics.

if government absorbs religion fully then it will cause more issues than benefits for people.

Not just Christian's alone..but I feel religious people are running away from politics thinking that it's for the unbelievers ( people who are non religious). But I believe if religious people who have the fear of God in them should be into politics. There will be little hope in good leadership

damn, that sounds like a nightmare. I don't trust politicians and I don't trust religions(any type) and now you want a religious nut to join the national politics?

I agree with mu_enrico, not enough good people are joining the politics. no offense to you @OP but being a religious person doesn't make a person automatically good or automatically be a good politician.

Worldwide Christianity people are more and also they rule most countries so if being a leader is a sin them all those leaders are sinners.

African countries has different religions and traditional so people from their place are ruling and there is no barrier for anyone to become the if they are capable of.

Our time in earth should not be wasted we have a responsibility to be fruitful and productive. God created Man and put him in the earth to dominate and rule over this world. Christians believe on the last day we will be called to our celestial home.

This is what comes to my mind after reading the post, the separation of the church and the state.  That is the advantage for the church so that the state could not interfere nor control the church. The sole purpose of the Christian church is to proclaim the gospel, teaching people moral values, denouncing evil in the society and working towards the common good.  Let just leave it like that and pray that the officials in the government will do their job to take care of the people and the economy, peace and prosperity.

Crap shit, true christians aren't from and of and for this world. It's just a temporary short term adventure. Nothing more.

The problem is that true christians can't exercize power justly, they always get conned, scammed and trapped, and worst once even they realize they are, they are too weak to be able to remediate the situation. "the church" is just an illusion used by TBTP to condition you and make you accept their dominance and more importantly the dominance of those the captured "church" support.

have you seen a single movement among so called christian american church regarding pedogate? 0. silence.

if you want the fbi is the arm of the inversers, the "church" included msm is their voice.

both need to die and perish.

they are worthless.

they are all just the hollowed shell left by those who have conquered them, because of their weaknesses, and used as decoy.

be smarter.

"your" god"s" don't need intermediation to be with you.

the real question is it only possible to have a peaceful and happynessfull existence on life? but if you believe so, untold amount of killing, murder and extermination will be necessary to even attempt to have a chance at it. and that may be the trick...

to defeat those enslaving mankind, a violence, beyond all beliefs is necessary, but is it worth it?

some say yes, some say no, but to question of the necessity of violence is already a trap by the inversers/enslavers.

for example what's more efficient to defeat those seeking to annihilate america? prayer groups? or strategic IEDs + assassination campaign targeting their children in the hamptons, beverly hills, nice part of chirak or manhattan? we all know the answer... or a total lone wolf / swarm against all fbi families? look at the talibans... how do they won? prayers, prayers, prayers and even more prayers, but backed by deeds... against the "infidels" or force of the "inversers"/occupants...

or you can go pray before the minister of propaganda (cnn) or execute him... what do you think works? it's a bitcoin forum, don't forget it. PoW... not poc... (c=concept).

and then traitors will tell you that assassinating "leana wen" for example, or don lemon will make martyr of them, pure lie. they will at first be replaced instantly and forgotten, however if the replacements are murdered too, there, the next ones, will start to doubt, until they decline even if forced.

that's battlefield inversion.

or you chose to live the adventure... non violently among the demons, remember they can only kill you (really kill you) once... that's it. 1 time. pfff, losers.

and FYI the former minister of information and communication of occupied afghanistan was killed before his office, you can find cool pics on the uncensored (or original) internet... in the "green" zone, and that's where it starts to get interesting... "green" zone killing . infiltration.

The holy bible says "“Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hid. "Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

This is an instruction from Jesus, God's people are the light of the world, Christains are meant to be in power not under whims of the ungodly. Many Christains have forgotten their identity that's why the church in this age isn't powerful

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeee ! they don't have the courage, honesty, duty, honor and integrity to lead, and specially kill. or they ain't christians. for example pedos love christians, as pedos can rape christian kids, and christian parents are too weak to ask for real justice : death, and even weaker to not being able to apply it themselves.

Politics is a dirty game I don't think Christian's should get involved in that.
This involves lieing, killing, a lot more you should know better, all of this hinders one from moving swiftly in the way of the Lord, no sinner is a Christian just so you could know.
I think you have other ideas and plans,you should be more plain please.
Christian's involved in politics aren't doing well at the end of the day.

Is being Christian the real root of the reason why these people are not participating?, I don't think so. As people in this thread already stated that the Bible doesn't condemned people because of their participation in politics.

I think the true nature of reason would be their lack of confidence that their vote would change a thing. That their single vote wouldn't matter amongst those millions of votes being tallied. That is the reason I'm thinking of.

The Catholics are already in politics and we have a lot of them in Africa. What else? But how did you know that Abraham Lincoln conquered his enemies spiritually? Let us not argue the physical aspect first. I like to read about this spiritual part so I can learn more of what I do not know about Mr Lincoln.

Christians in politics? No thank you...

We had chritians in politics in Europe in middleages and that was enough. You who promotes this crazy idea, what do you expect from it? Christians will just push their own religion and ideas by force to others, what is this good for?

Some parts of the world suffer more because there's no freedom. As long as good people (not only Christians) cannot take part in the politics, say honest opinion about their government, have freedom of speech, etc., those countries won't develop and prosper. They're always good people and bad people in any religion.

King David in the Old Testament is a good example. He was a Christian even thouth the term "Christian" wasn't around yet. How do we know? David said in Psalm 110:1:
David's Lord was Jesus, being talked to by the Father. The point is that David became the leader of God's people. His fame spread throughout the known world. He was a prophet and the top political leader at the same time.

Christians of today must maintain their Christianity. If they do, they have the right and duty to pick up their power. But ig they don't pick it up, they will be held guiltless by God, even if their position in Heaven isn't as great as it could have been. Where is the Christian's power?

Matthew 7:7-12 Jesus said:
Guess who are doing this that Jesus spoke in politics? The crooks and criminals in politics, that's who.

This speech is taken from the Sermon on the Mount, where Jesus is speaking to believers and unbeliever, although it is assumed that most of them are believers. But check verse 8. Jesus says "everyone," not only believers. So, when evil unbelievers ask, they will receive, just like evil believers. Check verse 11, Jesus calls them all evil, making no distinction between the believers and the unbelievers. All are evil.

Saint Paul and others tell us that God is not a respecter of persons. God punishes the wicked for their wickedness, and rewards the believers for the good they do. But He gives to all what they ask for.

You Christians. Get into politics and straighten the world out. If you don't, you will be punished for not doing the good you could have done. You have just as much power to ask and receive good things as the wicked unbelievers have to ask and receive bad things for the world.

We can't can't blame people who their beliefs or religious practice are against corruption which chooses not to participate in politics because the foundation of politics was built on negative ambition before they could reach the position of power this is what changed people immediate they step into political journey even those who are also a Christian changed into a bad person cause that what they have to do if they don't want the big brother in their party to kill them, they have to submit to their decision.

Our leader is not the ruling us, it is their godfather.

In my own opinion i do not think you need to force christians to participate in politics if it's against their will  because they have their own beliefs and principles. Politics involves corruption and i know that they are real evil especially when they hold such power to control everything. They're liars.

That's why i understood why christians don't want to support such system.

There's always a separation of power for church and state for most of all democratic country. Besides it was stated in the bible that people should honor the law so it means its not bad in terms of religion since Christ mention it on one of the Bible verses. It will be bad if there's a corruption involve bu the government in general is good because it was establish to properly manage the people's life.

The corrupt politicians is the real evil.

The world today is suffering because alot of Christians don't participate in Today politics, especially in Africa, they see politics as a sin a thing of the devil, when the bad people become leaders they complain and keep praying, it's high time Christian leaders start participating in Politics, The perspective should change, and the world will be a better Nation, E.G Abraham Lincoln was a Christian leader who involved in politics and he was able to defeat all his enemies physically and spiritually.