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Topic: CIA Sued by Family of Murdered LSD Scientist (Read 1525 times)

legendary
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December 11, 2012, 01:36:55 AM
#18
I hope they never win a buck. Lawsuits of this kind are causing irreperable damage to any society. What is needed is criminal prosecution of individuals, not a lawsuit. Suing murderers to ask for money legitimizes crime: it's okay, but you may have to have the agency or private corporation you worked for pay some money later. Those who accept these kinds of payment are complacent in crimes.

Why would the government implicate itself with criminal charges?

It wouldn't.  It would implicate whoever performed the act and anyone who gave the orders if the orders were given in a way that suggested murder should be considered an option.

You are assuming the people who gave the orders and the ones who have the influence aren't the same party.

I think you addressed this already... it's been 60 years.

pssht lol what ever.  Lets all take schoolbooks from kids so they can become millionaires over something that's BS. Why wait 60 years to sue?

Last time I checked the CIA doesn't have a part of its budget set aside to pay for school books. If you have been the victim of high level criminal activity involving a substance virtually unknown to people at the time (LSD) , it usually helps if you first of all know what you were drugged with (a couple decades there). Second any time you are suing the federal government or its subsidiaries, you might not want the very same people who assaulted you to be able to influence the very mechanism with which you are seeking justice.

And you still keep ignoring it... lol
legendary
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December 10, 2012, 02:28:42 PM
#17
I hope they never win a buck. Lawsuits of this kind are causing irreperable damage to any society. What is needed is criminal prosecution of individuals, not a lawsuit. Suing murderers to ask for money legitimizes crime: it's okay, but you may have to have the agency or private corporation you worked for pay some money later. Those who accept these kinds of payment are complacent in crimes.

Why would the government implicate itself with criminal charges?

It wouldn't.  It would implicate whoever performed the act and anyone who gave the orders if the orders were given in a way that suggested murder should be considered an option.

You are assuming the people who gave the orders and the ones who have the influence aren't the same party.

I think you addressed this already... it's been 60 years.

pssht lol what ever.  Lets all take schoolbooks from kids so they can become millionaires over something that's BS. Why wait 60 years to sue?

Last time I checked the CIA doesn't have a part of its budget set aside to pay for school books. If you have been the victim of high level criminal activity involving a substance virtually unknown to people at the time (LSD) , it usually helps if you first of all know what you were drugged with (a couple decades there). Second any time you are suing the federal government or its subsidiaries, you might not want the very same people who assaulted you to be able to influence the very mechanism with which you are seeking justice.
legendary
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December 10, 2012, 02:50:33 AM
#16
I hope they never win a buck. Lawsuits of this kind are causing irreperable damage to any society. What is needed is criminal prosecution of individuals, not a lawsuit. Suing murderers to ask for money legitimizes crime: it's okay, but you may have to have the agency or private corporation you worked for pay some money later. Those who accept these kinds of payment are complacent in crimes.

Why would the government implicate itself with criminal charges?

It wouldn't.  It would implicate whoever performed the act and anyone who gave the orders if the orders were given in a way that suggested murder should be considered an option.

You are assuming the people who gave the orders and the ones who have the influence aren't the same party.
legendary
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December 09, 2012, 01:36:31 PM
#15
I hope they never win a buck. Lawsuits of this kind are causing irreperable damage to any society. What is needed is criminal prosecution of individuals, not a lawsuit. Suing murderers to ask for money legitimizes crime: it's okay, but you may have to have the agency or private corporation you worked for pay some money later. Those who accept these kinds of payment are complacent in crimes.

Why would the government implicate itself with criminal charges?

It wouldn't.  It would implicate whoever performed the act and anyone who gave the orders if the orders were given in a way that suggested murder should be considered an option.
legendary
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December 09, 2012, 01:29:23 PM
#14
Second any time you are suing the federal government or its subsidiaries, you might not want the very same people who assaulted you to be able to influence the very mechanism with which you are seeking justice.

And people wonder why I'm an Anarchist.

*high fives*
hero member
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December 09, 2012, 12:17:45 AM
#13
Second any time you are suing the federal government or its subsidiaries, you might not want the very same people who assaulted you to be able to influence the very mechanism with which you are seeking justice.

And people wonder why I'm an Anarchist.
legendary
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December 09, 2012, 12:03:17 AM
#12
pssht lol what ever.  Lets all take schoolbooks from kids so they can become millionaires over something that's BS. Why wait 60 years to sue?

Last time I checked the CIA doesn't have a part of its budget set aside to pay for school books. If you have been the victim of high level criminal activity involving a substance virtually unknown to people at the time (LSD) , it usually helps if you first of all know what you were drugged with (a couple decades there). Second any time you are suing the federal government or its subsidiaries, you might not want the very same people who assaulted you to be able to influence the very mechanism with which you are seeking justice.
legendary
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December 06, 2012, 01:06:28 AM
#11
same thing happened in canada, see dr ewen cameron...i think there were some successful lawsuits just recently (last 10 years or so)

re: mk ultra
hero member
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December 05, 2012, 04:46:31 AM
#10
pssht lol what ever.  Lets all take schoolbooks from kids so they can become millionaires over something that's BS. Why wait 60 years to sue?

You assume they won't just print the money.
legendary
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December 05, 2012, 04:39:01 AM
#9
pssht lol what ever.  Lets all take schoolbooks from kids so they can become millionaires over something that's BS. Why wait 60 years to sue?
legendary
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December 05, 2012, 03:44:48 AM
#8
I hope they never win a buck. Lawsuits of this kind are causing irreperable damage to any society. What is needed is criminal prosecution of individuals, not a lawsuit. Suing murderers to ask for money legitimizes crime: it's okay, but you may have to have the agency or private corporation you worked for pay some money later. Those who accept these kinds of payment are complacent in crimes.

Why would the government implicate itself with criminal charges?
legendary
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December 04, 2012, 11:06:38 PM
#7
I hope they never win a buck. Lawsuits of this kind are causing irreperable damage to any society. What is needed is criminal prosecution of individuals, not a lawsuit. Suing murderers to ask for money legitimizes crime: it's okay, but you may have to have the agency or private corporation you worked for pay some money later. Those who accept these kinds of payment are complacent in crimes.

I agree with the criminal charges.  The payment of money does not even punish the people who did the act, as they are not in power and the money is not coming from their budgets. 
hero member
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December 04, 2012, 08:40:22 PM
#6
Gov't giving out free doses of LSD? Sign me up!
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There is more to Bitcoin than bitcoins.
December 03, 2012, 04:14:20 PM
#5
I hope they never win a buck. Lawsuits of this kind are causing irreperable damage to any society. What is needed is criminal prosecution of individuals, not a lawsuit. Suing murderers to ask for money legitimizes crime: it's okay, but you may have to have the agency or private corporation you worked for pay some money later. Those who accept these kinds of payment are complacent in crimes.
hero member
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December 03, 2012, 03:47:22 PM
#4
I wonder how many of the crazy conspiracy theories are true. Most people believe what they're told.
legendary
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The revolution will be monetized!
December 03, 2012, 03:44:53 PM
#3
This is a crazy conspiracy theory that turned out to be true.
legendary
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December 01, 2012, 06:00:06 AM
#2
If you think this is crack pottery, search for "Clinton Apologizes for MKUltra"
sr. member
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November 30, 2012, 01:10:50 PM
#1
Hopefully they will win enough bucks to make this a mainstream story...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/28/frank-olson-cia-lawsuit_n_2206983.html

" The sons of a Cold War scientist who plunged to his death in 1953 several days after unwittingly taking LSD in a CIA mind-control experiment sued the government Wednesday. They claimed the CIA murdered their father, Frank Olson, by pushing him from a 13th-story window of a hotel – not, as the CIA says, that he jumped to his death. "

Background: http://www.frankolsonproject.org

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