[Closed] Betnomi negative trust and red flag appeal

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Quote from: gosha@e-coin on November 03, 2020, 02:40:23 PM

BETNOMI = SCAM
THEY STOLE 50K FROM MY FRIEND

Then create a scam accusation with proof. You've been here long enough to know how things should be properly done. Spamming the same message across various topics goes against the forums spam policy.

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on July 13, 2020, 10:52:23 PM

Quote from: Little Mouse on July 13, 2020, 10:09:07 PM

Quote from: marlboroza on July 11, 2020, 02:35:20 AM

Counter feedback will remove this.

How does this work? I see there is one positive feedback in betnomi profile and two negative feedback. When will warning be removed? After net score: 0 or +1? Despite having positive feedback, the warning is popping up. Can a DT member add a positive feedback to betnomi and check logging out this? If this works, I think betnomi should be given some positive counter feedbacks.

Seems its working on '0' score That means as I answered above (edited) score should equal or more. Anyway, left counter feedback against ICOEthics feedback's. I can't see any warning now as a guest. Hope problem is solved for now about red warning.

The problem has finally been resolved and the warning has been removed as well. In awe as to the effort and support shown by all of you in rectifying this issue. It may seem like a small thing but, it means a lot to me. We are going to continue developing and building our platform to perfection, keep everything honest, transparent and above all, provide fair and honorable treatment to our users.

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Quote from: Little Mouse on July 13, 2020, 10:09:07 PM

Quote from: marlboroza on July 11, 2020, 02:35:20 AM

Counter feedback will remove this.

How does this work? I see there is one positive feedback in betnomi profile and two negative feedback. When will warning be removed? After net score: 0 or +1? Despite having positive feedback, the warning is popping up. Can a DT member add a positive feedback to betnomi and check logging out this? If this works, I think betnomi should be given some positive counter feedbacks.

Seems its working on '0' score That means as I answered above (edited) score should equal or more. Anyway, left counter feedback against ICOEthics feedback's. I can't see any warning now as a guest. Hope problem is solved for now about red warning.

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Quote from: marlboroza on July 11, 2020, 02:35:20 AM

Counter feedback will remove this.

How does this work? I see there is one positive feedback in betnomi profile and two negative feedback. When will warning be removed? After net score: 0 or +1? Despite having positive feedback, the warning is popping up. Can a DT member add a positive feedback to betnomi and check logging out this? If this works, I think betnomi should be given some positive counter feedbacks.

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Quote from: betnomi on July 13, 2020, 04:21:29 PM

For some reason, the flag is still active on our posts. Not completely clear or totally understand how this flag and negative trust system works.

This isn't 'flag' which is viewing on your thread. This is called 'warning' message for newbies & guests due to your current negative feedback. Your flag already become 'inactive' by default. So no one will see your red flag even from your profile unless they click on inactive flag. I think flag & feedback work almost same algorithm. If your negative feedback greater than positive feedback then there will be a warning message for newbies & guest. So your current positive trust is smaller than negative trust that's why warning message popping up. Your flag oppose is greater than support and this flag will not visible by default to anyone. Hope you understand how its working.

By the way, you have to wait for 'TheNewAnon135246' response when he will come online. The rest negative feedback will be solved by counter feedback. Otherwise one or more DT members will have to leave positive counter feedback.

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Quote from: betnomi on July 13, 2020, 04:21:29 PM

Quote from: logfiles on July 11, 2020, 10:54:57 PM

To registered forum members, yes feedback left by ICOEthics won't be a big deal but to guest user trying to view their ANN, there will be a red warning as already pointed out by someone above

Everyone removed their support for the flag at this point except one person. For some reason, the flag is still active on our posts. Not completely clear or totally understand how this flag and negative trust system works. Greatly value everyone's effort to help us fix these issues and will be pleased to see it resolved.

Thank you all in advance.

Flag can't be deleted, and flag on your account is now inactive. I have checked it as a guest, there is no red flag notification. I think also there is need some time to remove the red alert from your opened threads.
User ICOEthic is offline for a long time, you only can send them a PM and waiting for his response if they ever come back on the forum. Also, TheNewAnon135246 is the Last Active: 20 June 2020, so I guess they still not read this topic.
For now, you are doing everything that you can to remove red ain't from your account, you just need to wait for these two users to check this and his reaction here.

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Quote from: logfiles on July 11, 2020, 10:54:57 PM

To registered forum members, yes feedback left by ICOEthics won't be a big deal but to guest user trying to view their ANN, there will be a red warning as already pointed out by someone above

Everyone removed their support for the flag at this point except one person. For some reason, the flag is still active on our posts. Not completely clear or totally understand how this flag and negative trust system works. Greatly value everyone's effort to help us fix these issues and will be pleased to see it resolved.

Thank you all in advance.

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Quote from: TalkStar on July 11, 2020, 10:41:11 PM

Quote from: khaled0111 on July 11, 2020, 03:32:05 PM

In this particular case, his feedback is harming OP's business. Maybe the most appropriate solution would be to pm theymos and ask him to remove the feedback!

I don't think its gonna work.

Flag against "Betnomi" have already been opposed by many users and the flag opener also withdrew that too. So ICOEthics feedback will not gonna be a big fact for them now.

To registered forum members, yes feedback left by ICOEthics won't be a big deal but to guest user trying to view their ANN, there will be a red warning as already pointed out by someone above

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Quote from: khaled0111 on July 11, 2020, 03:32:05 PM

In this particular case, his feedback is harming OP's business. Maybe the most appropriate solution would be to pm theymos and ask him to remove the feedback!

I don't think its gonna work.

Flag against "Betnomi" have already been opposed by many users and the flag opener also withdrew that too. So ICOEthics feedback will not gonna be a big fact for them now. I wish they will provide honest service for their customers and hopefully that's gonna bring reputation for them. Although its easy to lose but hard to gain.

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on July 10, 2020, 07:49:19 PM

No, that's not a problem. ICOEthics inactive doesn't mean his/her all feedbacks are wrong. So he/she shouldn't lose DT2 position at this case. He/she have left lots of accurate feedback and that should exist.

Please re-read my comment. I never said ICOEthic shouldn't be on DT or he has left many wrong feedbacks. In fact, he was one of the most active users fighting scammers and busting fake projects. Removing him from DT wouldn't be in anyone's favor.
In this particular case, his feedback is harming OP's business. Maybe the most appropriate solution would be to pm theymos and ask him to remove the feedback!

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Quote from: owlcatz on July 10, 2020, 09:14:47 PM

Hi, I removed my neg trust. Let's hope you guys don't get scam accusations down the line. Cheers.

Thanks for looking into the issue and reconsidering it. We can not say there will not be a scam accusation against us but I can guarantee you if there is ever one, it wouldn't be a legitimate one and we will promptly address every single issue as soon as it's raised. We are setting up a robust system and customer service as the first line of defense so, there will be no issues and provide excellent customer service to resolve any issue should there ever be one. We are here for the long run. You can take that to the bank.

and oh, I think you forgot to remove your support for the flag.

Thank you.

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Quote from: Little Mouse on July 10, 2020, 08:57:28 PM

Counter feedback was a good solution for the old feedback system. The score in the old feedback system would change if someone give counter feedback but now, you can add a green +1 on a profile but you can not remove the orange -1 from the profile with a counter feedback.

Actually, if user has been tagged in old system they will have (guest, newbie?) warning box on top of their topics (like betnomi here):

Counter feedback will remove this.

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Hi, I removed my neg trust. Let's hope you guys don't get scam accusations down the line. Cheers.

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on July 10, 2020, 07:49:19 PM

If no one leave counter feedback against ICOEthics feedback then I will do. Problem solved.

Counter feedback was a good solution for the old feedback system. The score in the old feedback system would change if someone give counter feedback but now, you can add a green +1 on a profile but you can not remove the orange -1 from the profile with a counter feedback.

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Quote from: khaled0111 on July 10, 2020, 05:56:21 PM

The problem is with ICOEthics who left you a negative feedback. He is a DT2 and hasn't been online for more than a year.
I don't know what can be done in such case! It's unlikely he will lose his position as DT2 any time soon if ever.

No, that's not a problem. ICOEthics inactive doesn't mean his/her all feedbacks are wrong. So he/she shouldn't lose DT2 position at this case. He/she have left lots of accurate feedback and that should exist. There is alternative solution for this case, once all DT members will removed their negative feedback and neutralised it then counter feedback is enough. If no one leave counter feedback against ICOEthics feedback then I will do. Problem solved. But I like to see ICOEthics on DT2 always.

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@betnomi, you have to pm all those who didn't revise their feedbacks or still support the flag to make sure they read this thread.
The problem is with ICOEthics who left you a negative feedback. He is a DT2 and hasn't been online for more than a year.
I don't know what can be done in such case! It's unlikely he will lose his position as DT2 any time soon if ever.

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on July 10, 2020, 11:01:34 AM

Quote from: betnomi on July 10, 2020, 06:33:19 AM

The whole thing just blows my mind.

That's not right. The team should ability to handle any situation calmly. There would be happen so many problems in future as well but if you can't handle it correctly then you would loss your users and reputation as well at the same time. To be honest your team should be more professional.

Seems flag already become inactive. So just add your flag link on the OP instead of create another thread.

Yes, @coolcryptovator you are right. We worked really hard to develop and set up the core platform of our platform and from now, everything is pretty much plug and play.
Our focus from now is growth and providing excellent customer and user experience. For that, we are trying to expand our team. You can check here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5261031.new#new

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Quote from: examplens on July 10, 2020, 08:53:48 AM

You forgot to delete your previously negative feedback.

Quote from: sheenshane on July 10, 2020, 08:39:59 AM

I think you forgot to delete your negative feedback and still was there. Neutral feedbacks are fair enough.

Yea, you are right. I forgot to delete my previous negative feedback. Corrected now and deleted.

Quote from: betnomi on July 10, 2020, 06:33:19 AM

The whole thing just blows my mind.

That's not right. The team should ability to handle any situation calmly. There would be happen so many problems in future as well but if you can't handle it correctly then you would loss your users and reputation as well at the same time. To be honest your team should be more professional.

Seems flag already become inactive. So just add your flag link on the OP instead of create another thread.

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Quote from: examplens on July 10, 2020, 08:53:48 AM

You forgot to delete your previously negative feedback.

OP maybe you can ask here Request Support (or Opposition) for Flags here! for the opposition to your flag

Thanks for the consideration and suggestion. I will make the request for the Flag opposition.
Really appreciate it. Once again, thank you.

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Quote from: logfiles on July 10, 2020, 06:52:41 AM

I believe in forgiveness and second chances and since you guys scammed nobody, I have decided to remove my support for the flag.

I agree with you, people deserve a second chance.
I am revised my flag support and oppose it. Also, I post neutral feedback just for me and my future reference if there something going wrong.

Quote from: The Cryptovator on July 10, 2020, 01:09:30 AM

Convinced! For the record feedback turned into neutral from negative at the moment.
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You forgot to delete your previously negative feedback.

OP maybe you can ask here Request Support (or Opposition) for Flags here! for the opposition to your flag

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Quote from: logfiles on July 10, 2020, 06:52:41 AM

I believe in forgiveness and second chances and since you guys scammed nobody, I have decided to remove my support for the flag.

The same on me as well. I have been removed my support on the flag created by @Coolcryptovator.

Everyone deserves to have a second chance and continue their legitimacy onwards, I saw their endeavor was undertaken to build a good reputation in the forum. In that way, it convinced me to support their side and removed my flag support. I hope others will see my good insight towards them.

But once there is a legit complaint towards them, I won't hesitate to give my negative feedback.

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on July 10, 2020, 01:09:30 AM

Anyway, try to convince other DT members who have left negative feedback and support your flag. Call them on this thread so they could realize the current situation.

I think you forgot to delete your negative feedback and still was there. Neutral feedbacks are fair enough.

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I believe in forgiveness and second chances and since you guys scammed nobody, I have decided to remove my support for the flag.

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on July 10, 2020, 01:09:30 AM

Convinced! For the record feedback turned into neutral from negative at the moment. Flag can't be removed after raised (its prevented by system) but I removed my support. So if other DT members think they should do same then its totally depends on them. Honestly we aren't here to damage someone reputation, we just want to save community from likely scammers and still I believe it were really necessary that time. You are too irresponsible person, because you were should defend yourself when accusation were made. So it would clear before. I don't want to disturb on your business nor it was my intention. So many scammers around us always, so if you accused for something then you should provide appropriate answers there. Sit silent wouldn't solve the issue what did you in the past.

Anyway, try to convince other DT members who have left negative feedback and support your flag. Call them on this thread so they could realize the current situation.

Honestly, I wasn't too happy with the whole situation at the time, couldn't make head or tail of it but after spending a few weeks in the forum, I absolutely understand why these precautions are necessary to alert users on potential risks. I personally have discovered users with multiple accounts and a single user with 4 alts abusing and exploiting campaigns and promotions. The whole thing just blows my mind.

I appreciate you reconsidering the situation and at the same time, trying to keep the community safe.

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Convinced! For the record feedback turned into neutral from negative at the moment. Flag can't be removed after raised (its prevented by system) but I removed my support. So if other DT members think they should do same then its totally depends on them. Honestly we aren't here to damage someone reputation, we just want to save community from likely scammers and still I believe it were really necessary that time. You are too irresponsible person, because you were should defend yourself when accusation were made. So it would clear before. I don't want to disturb on your business nor it was my intention. So many scammers around us always, so if you accused for something then you should provide appropriate answers there. Sit silent wouldn't solve the issue what did you in the past.

Anyway, try to convince other DT members who have left negative feedback and support your flag. Call them on this thread so they could realize the current situation.

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Quote from: Little Mouse on July 09, 2020, 09:20:14 PM

Why do not you present the documents here? No one would go third party site and download data to verify. Please post all the proofs here and if you are found not to be done what you are accused of, DT member will remove the tag. I was planning to observe the issue and share my opinion but when I saw I need to go to third party site and download file, I gave up.

Okay sure, i will organize the files and try to present it here or better yet. Make it viewable without having to download it.

Thanks.

The files has been updated with a viewable link without the need to download any of them.

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Why do not you present the documents here? No one would go third party site and download data to verify. Please post all the proofs here and if you are found not to be done what you are accused of, DT member will remove the tag. I was planning to observe the issue and share my opinion but when I saw I need to go to third party site and download file, I gave up.

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