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Quote from: Eadeqa on July 09, 2014, 02:44:08 AM

Quote from: LemonAndFries on July 09, 2014, 02:19:38 AM

before I go, you guys should really demand why some people were allowed to purchase and bid multiple stakes
doesn't that go against their principle of no multiple stakes?

No it doesn't as it was open auction and predetermined before the sale. Just like buying 100 stakes of Nem after the launch would not be against the rules.

hypocrites

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Quote from: LemonAndFries on July 09, 2014, 02:19:38 AM

before I go, you guys should really demand why some people were allowed to purchase and bid multiple stakes
doesn't that go against their principle of no multiple stakes?

No it doesn't as it was open auction and predetermined before the sale. Just like buying 100 stakes of Nem after the launch would not be against the rules.

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Quote from: dzarmush on July 09, 2014, 02:32:46 AM

I didn't think about that, but you're actually right. Someone just bought 10-20 stakes and it goes with the rules just fine. But it's not ok to buy two stakes for two family members if they have the same IP Huh

I want my accounts back then too, as they were for family too. Looks like lying gets you more in crypto then rules.

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Quote from: dzarmush on July 09, 2014, 02:17:39 AM

By the way you're an awesome example of false analysys. Quick review of yours and your "puppet" profiles is enough to say that devs are wrong.

Your registration date is February 28, 2014. Posts: 303. Activity: 154.
Your "puppet" registration date is December 25, 2013. Posts: 51. Activity: 51.

Really? I mean REALLY?

Devs want to say that someone registered an account in December but wasn't really active and then registered another account 2 months later to be more active with it? Wtf.

This not evidence. It means nothing. This is again example of why you should NOT be on the panel. I would rather first look at the evidence collected by the developer and then make a decision. You claims to figure out just by looking at registration date and activity, which proves nothing

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Quote from: LemonAndFries on July 09, 2014, 02:19:38 AM

before I go, you guys should really demand why some people were allowed to purchase and bid multiple stakes
doesn't that go against their principle of no multiple stakes?
LOL, the hyprocrisy is strong in this one

I didn't think about that, but you're actually right. Someone just bought 10-20 stakes and it goes with the rules just fine. But it's not ok to buy two stakes for two family members if they have the same IP Huh

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Quote from: dzarmush on July 09, 2014, 02:17:39 AM

Quote from: LemonAndFries on July 09, 2014, 02:09:53 AM

LOL

this is dumb. I've lost enough money in crypto to not give a shit anymore
failed projects, empty promises, scams, blah blah blah
do as you wish, I could care less
bye

edit: I lurk in other threads following other coins in order to try and make wise investments. that's how I know about things, you guys sure make assumptions too fast

By the way you're an awesome example of false analysys. Quick review of yours and your "puppet" profiles is enough to say that devs are wrong.

Your registration date is February 28, 2014. Posts: 303. Activity: 154.
Your "puppet" registration date is December 25, 2013. Posts: 51. Activity: 51.

Really? I mean REALLY?

Devs want to say that someone registered an account in December but wasn't really active and then registered another account 2 months later to be more active with it? Wtf.

go figure, too many headaches and problems with these "cryptos"
I'm seriously done with all this, try to be an active supporter of this new form of fiat and all you get is bullshit

the crypto coin community will be its own downfall

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before I go, you guys should really demand why some people were allowed to purchase and bid multiple stakes
doesn't that go against their principle of no multiple stakes?
LOL, the hyprocrisy is strong in this one

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Quote from: LemonAndFries on July 09, 2014, 02:09:53 AM

LOL

this is dumb. I've lost enough money in crypto to not give a shit anymore
failed projects, empty promises, scams, blah blah blah
do as you wish, I could care less
bye

edit: I lurk in other threads following other coins in order to try and make wise investments. that's how I know about things, you guys sure make assumptions too fast

By the way you're an awesome example of false analysys. Quick review of yours and your "puppet" profiles is enough to say that devs are wrong.

Your registration date is February 28, 2014. Posts: 303. Activity: 154.
Your "puppet" registration date is December 25, 2013. Posts: 51. Activity: 51.

Really? I mean REALLY?

Devs want to say that someone registered an account in December but wasn't really active and then registered another account 2 months later to be more active with it? Wtf.

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LOL

this is dumb. I've lost enough money in crypto to not give a shit anymore
failed projects, empty promises, scams, blah blah blah
do as you wish, I could care less
bye

edit: I lurk in other threads following other coins in order to try and make wise investments. that's how I know about things. also, some of the people that I have recommended investing in crypto also have to use my computer from time to time (not everyone I know is loaded with money) or I set them up with crypto myself because they do not want to deal with all these headaches as you can see from this thread. you guys sure do make assumptions really fast

edit2: I forgot that I'm dealing with computer super geniuses LOL Cheesy

and obviously your higher intellect allows you to see what no body else can see LOL

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Quote from: Eadeqa on July 09, 2014, 01:25:45 AM

I never said there should be no investigation

That's exactly what you've said lots of times. Following your logic all groups of people: family, roommates, friends, colleagues should be eliminated. And I'm trying to say that we must not do any concusions based only on IP information. Every single person deserve to be heard.

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Quote from: Eadeqa on July 09, 2014, 01:52:39 AM

Quote from: patmast3r on July 09, 2014, 01:22:16 AM

Because we sure as hell didn't collect IP addresses.
To be clear I don't in generall think it was bad to collect IPs, it's just a question of how you do it and what you do with this information.

Looks like every time you login to the client, your account number (after you enter your pass phrase), IP & time is recorded by the server. This happens after every login. So by now they must have a large database.

I am not sure when they made that change, but that could be the reason why they wanted everyone to generate new accounts.

Well I guess we'll never know but if they really had us make new accounts because they wanted the surveilance then they straight up lied to us. Word was that it was technically necessary no ?

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Quote from: patmast3r on July 09, 2014, 01:22:16 AM

Because we sure as hell didn't collect IP addresses.
To be clear I don't in generall think it was bad to collect IPs, it's just a question of how you do it and what you do with this information.

Looks like every time you login to the client, your account number (after you enter your pass phrase), IP & time is recorded by the server. This happens after every login. So by now they must have a large database.

I am not sure when they made that change, but that could be the reason why they wanted everyone to generate new accounts.

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Quote from: dzarmush on July 09, 2014, 01:16:30 AM

Dumbass. I'm not saying all labeled people should be unlabeled, but your logic is stupid. We need to investigate every case before making any decision. First check all IPs by Tor database and unlabel all matches. Unless someone singed in 5-10 accounts within a couple of minutes.

I never said there should be no investigation if someone is disputing the charge. Where did you get that? I said we should have a panel, and you should not be a part of that panel, as you have shown yourself to be illogical by claiming weird things like 2 people with same tor node signed up around same time. WTF?

That's not the kind of person who should be involved in the panel. Lets pick rational people who understand the evidence and can reach unbiased rational decision without preconceived criteria that "everyone who claims to be innocent should be declared innocent"

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Quote from: LemonAndFries on July 08, 2014, 07:27:32 PM

this whole thing has turned into a joke
I don't even care anymore
I was one of the first to support this project but now it's whatever
accusing people of false sock puppets
here we go again, NODE pulling an NEM. oh well

edit: might I add that this is not the first coin that has turned into a headache for me. way to drive away people from crypto! all devs like this are doing a fantastic job at giving crypto coins a bad reputation. so sad Huh

woah, hold on... what do you mean by "pulling a nem"?

According to nodecoin list, dave5555 and LemonAndFries are the same person. If you check dave5555 history, he was complaining about "Nem" removal of sockpuppets

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6298607

as these were all for "friends and family" obviously

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nem used hard facts/evidence to root out sock puppets?

Node has absolutely solid evidence (IP logs all of them, and time-stamp logs, could be even more info like OS and browser).

you saying that as if node devs are doing something bad that nem devs did. not node stake holder doing something bad that a nem stake holder did. you put it in the wrong context.

I think you mean to say NODE devs are doing something that NEM didn't right ?
Because we sure as hell didn't collect IP addresses.

To be clear I don't in generall think it was bad to collect IPs, it's just a question of how you do it and what you do with this information.

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Quote from: Eadeqa on July 09, 2014, 01:05:36 AM

Quote from: dzarmush on July 09, 2014, 12:38:24 AM

1. All Tor users have the same IPs.
2. Family memebrs living in the same house have the same IPs and most likely the same computer.
3. Roommates have the same IPs.
4. College students have the same IPs and browser/os on library computers.
5. Colleagues have the same IPs and browser/os.

Again, you and your idiotic excuses,

Tor IPs are identifiable. And the probability that two different people with the same ended up longing in with the SAME node for the same obscure coin around the same time frame is zero. That's fucking nonsense, especially if 5 puppets ended up signing up with same node (nodes are picked randomly) at the same time.

Plus Tor IPs are identifiable. How are you claiming Tors without even looking at IP?

Are you fucking idiot or what?

Family members and roommates? That's nonsense. That excuse can be used to justify a dozen accounts by everyone. Why the fuck are we even have sock puppet rules then?

College students don't have the same IP, and once gain there is time stamp record.

Also, you can identify if the IP is for college or residential.

You are an idiot, dude. Go back to your hole

Dumbass. I'm not saying all labeled people should be unlabeled, but your logic is stupid. We need to investigate every case before making any decision. First check all IPs by Tor database and unlabel all matches. Unless someone singed in 5-10 accounts within a couple of minutes.

Second ask all people to explain why they have the same IP. If their explanation sounds about right - unlabel them too.

Etc etc.

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There was no restrictions for using the same IP for different people. What are you saying about dozen accounts is just bullshit.

What are you doing is just trying to scam all normal people after your puppets were eliminated.

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Quote from: dzarmush on July 09, 2014, 12:38:24 AM

1. All Tor users have the same IPs.
2. Family memebrs living in the same house have the same IPs and most likely the same computer.
3. Roommates have the same IPs.
4. College students have the same IPs and browser/os on library computers.
5. Colleagues have the same IPs and browser/os.

Again, you and your idiotic excuses,

Tor IPs are identifiable. And the probability that two different people ended up longing in with the SAME Tor node for the same obscure coin around the same time frame is zero. That's fucking nonsense, especially if 5 puppets ended up signing up with the same tor node (tor nodes are picked randomly) at the same time.

Plus Tor IPs are identifiable. How are you claiming Tors without even looking at IP?

Are you fucking idiot or what?

Family members and roommates? That's nonsense. That excuse can be used to justify a dozen accounts by everyone. Why the fuck we even have sock puppet rules then? Lets make it open for all sock puppets instead of encouraging them to lie

College students don't have the same IP, and once gain there is time stamp record.

Also, you can identify if the IP is for college or residential/business

You are an idiot, dude. Go back to your hole

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Quote from: Eadeqa on July 08, 2014, 11:08:53 PM

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Quote from: LemonAndFries on July 08, 2014, 07:27:32 PM

this whole thing has turned into a joke
I don't even care anymore
I was one of the first to support this project but now it's whatever
accusing people of false sock puppets
here we go again, NODE pulling an NEM. oh well

edit: might I add that this is not the first coin that has turned into a headache for me. way to drive away people from crypto! all devs like this are doing a fantastic job at giving crypto coins a bad reputation. so sad Huh

woah, hold on... what do you mean by "pulling a nem"?

According to nodecoin list, dave5555 and LemonAndFries are the same person. If you check dave5555 history, he was complaining about "Nem" removal of sockpuppets

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6298607

as these were all for "friends and family" obviously

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nem used hard facts/evidence to root out sock puppets?

Node has absolutely solid evidence (IP logs all of them, and time-stamp logs, could be even more info like OS and browser).

Again you with your stupid IPs.

1. All Tor users have the same IPs.
2. Family memebrs living in the same house have the same IPs and most likely the same computer.
3. Roommates have the same IPs.
4. College students have the same IPs and browser/os on library computers.
5. Colleagues have the same IPs and browser/os.

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Quote from: Eadeqa on July 08, 2014, 11:08:53 PM

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Quote from: LemonAndFries on July 08, 2014, 07:27:32 PM

this whole thing has turned into a joke
I don't even care anymore
I was one of the first to support this project but now it's whatever
accusing people of false sock puppets
here we go again, NODE pulling an NEM. oh well

edit: might I add that this is not the first coin that has turned into a headache for me. way to drive away people from crypto! all devs like this are doing a fantastic job at giving crypto coins a bad reputation. so sad Huh

woah, hold on... what do you mean by "pulling a nem"?

According to nodecoin list, dave5555 and LemonAndFries are the same person. If you check dave5555 history, he was complaining about "Nem" removal of sockpuppets

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6298607

as these were all for "friends and family" obviously

Quote

nem used hard facts/evidence to root out sock puppets?

Node has absolutely solid evidence (IP logs all of them, and time-stamp logs, could be even more info like OS and browser).

you saying that as if node devs are doing something bad that nem devs did. not node stake holder doing something bad that a nem stake holder did. you put it in the wrong context.

No, I didn't say anything about "node devs are doing something bad that nem devs did". I said dave5555 and LemonAndFries are the same person according to node puppet list. dave5555 had a history with Nim. Maybe that's why LemonAndFries is complaining about Nem. Would make sense if they are same person.

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Quote from: LemonAndFries on July 08, 2014, 07:27:32 PM

this whole thing has turned into a joke
I don't even care anymore
I was one of the first to support this project but now it's whatever
accusing people of false sock puppets
here we go again, NODE pulling an NEM. oh well

edit: might I add that this is not the first coin that has turned into a headache for me. way to drive away people from crypto! all devs like this are doing a fantastic job at giving crypto coins a bad reputation. so sad Huh

woah, hold on... what do you mean by "pulling a nem"?

According to nodecoin list, dave5555 and LemonAndFries are the same person. If you check dave5555 history, he was complaining about "Nem" removal of sockpuppets

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6298607

as these were all for "friends and family" obviously

Quote

nem used hard facts/evidence to root out sock puppets?

Node has absolutely solid evidence (IP logs all of them, and time-stamp logs, could be even more info like OS and browser).

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