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legendary
Activity: 1806
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July 08, 2014, 12:22:09 PM
The problem is the whole thing is going wrong. Devs should have been do their homework and contact possible puppets. Instead they just labeled a bunch of people as puppets. I bet at least 50% is false.

You should not be on the panel if you start with a premise that 50% are false. You are impartial judge who with preconceived ideas. If the IPs mach and are from same ISP (not proxy or tor), close date/time, the probability is close to zero that these are fake flags.



Right. Let's form the committee from people who are blindly agree with every devs' decision. That the way to go )

The question isn't about blindly in agreement with dev, the questing is about looking at evidence with open mind without pre announcing that 50% are false (which for what I have seen of evidence, is impossible)

The thing is I suspect they used the same logic as you "IP and login date/time is pretty solid" while the only solid evidence is several payments from the same wallet. Everything else is guessing.
hero member
Activity: 984
Merit: 1000
July 08, 2014, 12:17:08 PM
P.S. @ haggis - the best defense is a good offense! But not in your case, even if you show up aggressively and hostile, it will not help you! It only drives attention towards your disrespectful attitude!
Wow, unbelievable. You tag people in a public accessible spreadsheet as betrayer without talking them before and call them agressive and hostile and disrespectful if they get annoyed by it.  Grin Sending you PM and waiting for a proof of the unprovable.
Don't forget who believed in you and who backed your time with money. It's the people you're now attacking because you think you know all life situations and have the perfect gut feeling.

edit: everywhere are scams scams scams. I'm so totally sick of it you can't imagine. But imho it's totaly legit to freak out if it looks like just another guy wants to scam you these days. Don't expect to get handled with kid gloves when you start such a rampage.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
July 08, 2014, 12:08:26 PM
The problem is the whole thing is going wrong. Devs should have been do their homework and contact possible puppets. Instead they just labeled a bunch of people as puppets. I bet at least 50% is false.

You should not be on the panel if you start with a premise that 50% are false. You are impartial judge who with preconceived ideas. If the IPs mach and are from same ISP (not proxy or tor), close date/time, the probability is close to zero that these are fake flags.



Right. Let's form the committee from people who are blindly agree with every devs' decision. That the way to go )

The question isn't about blindly in agreement with dev, the questing is about looking at evidence with open mind without pre announcing that 50% are false (which for what I have seen of evidence, is impossible)
newbie
Activity: 17
Merit: 0
July 08, 2014, 12:07:16 PM
I'm having a really hard time following this thread.  I'm member 896 in the spreadsheet and it seems I've missed out on some things.  I've had my account for a while, followed the testing of sending coins part, which I couldn't do because I don't have any in the account.  Actually, nothing in the interface seems to do anything still ... ?

Given the status of my account, what do I need to do to stay involved?
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
July 08, 2014, 12:06:44 PM
OK.... How about we Chill!

Let me give you a small tip! DON'T Bring it on the FORUM!!! And let me tell you why:

- You guys are accusing us of ruining your reputation... and so on.... BUT THE truth is, THAT you are the ones that are doing it!!!


I actually really liked what you did there with recording date/login time along with each IP Smiley It was good that you didn't preannounce it Smiley

I think it's very important for stable prices (with no large amount of dumping) to remove sock puppets

By the way, since this was JavaScript, you could have collected even more info (like operating system, screen resolution, browser, other plugin installed), but regardless even just IP and login date/time is pretty solid.
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1001
July 08, 2014, 12:04:57 PM
The problem is the whole thing is going wrong. Devs should have been do their homework and contact possible puppets. Instead they just labeled a bunch of people as puppets. I bet at least 50% is false.

You should not be on the panel if you start with a premise that 50% are false. You are impartial judge who with preconceived ideas. If the IPs mach and are from same ISP (not proxy or tor), close date/time, the probability is close to zero that these are fake flags.



Right. Let's form the committee from people who are blindly agree with every devs' decision. That the way to go )
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
July 08, 2014, 12:03:35 PM
OK.... How about we Chill!

Let me give you a small tip! DON'T Bring it on the FORUM!!! And let me tell you why:

- You guys are accusing us of ruining your reputation... and so on.... BUT THE truth is, THAT you are the ones that are doing it!!!


I actually really liked what you did there with recording date/login time along with each IP Smiley It was good that you didn't preannounce it Smiley

I think it's very important for stable prices (with no large amount of dumping) to remove sock puppets
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
July 08, 2014, 12:00:34 PM
The problem is the whole thing is going wrong. Devs should have been do their homework and contact possible puppets. Instead they just labeled a bunch of people as puppets. I bet at least 50% is false.

You should not be on the panel if you start with a premise that 50% are false. You are impartial judge who with preconceived ideas. If the IPs mach and are from same ISP (not proxy or tor), close date/time, the probability is close to zero that these are fake flags.

sr. member
Activity: 308
Merit: 250
July 08, 2014, 11:57:31 AM
OK.... How about we Chill!


Let me give you a small tip! DON'T Bring it on the FORUM!!! And let me tell you why:

- You guys are accusing us of ruining your reputation... and so on.... BUT THE truth is, THAT you are the ones that are doing it!!!

So far we only Highlighted your names, and associated them with other accounts - suspecting that you are a P. Master!!


If you value your reputation, don't make a fuss on the forum! Nobody directly accused you in public! So if you have your doubts or you think that we made an error, let us know we will double, triple verify it! We'll answer your question and we will give you answers!
We'll provide proof, and will show you why we did it!

Don't go out loud on the thread, cause you will only drive attention towards yourself, which will show on your reputation!

PM us for assistance!

+ I got a hold of a half of the desired people in the committee! But i guess it will be enough! I will provide a method to fill a claim in the next hours! SO the committee can verify and and decide on behalf of our community!


Thank you!

P.S. @ haggis - the best defense is a good offense! But not in your case, even if you show up aggressively and hostile, it will not help you! It only drives attention towards your disrespectful attitude!
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1001
July 08, 2014, 11:55:03 AM
The problem is the whole thing is going wrong. Devs should have been do their homework and contact possible puppets. Instead they just labeled a bunch of people as puppets. I bet at least 50% is false. I hope Node with launch one day and all this IPO/Auction/Puppet Hunting nightmare will be over.
full member
Activity: 304
Merit: 100
July 08, 2014, 11:32:29 AM
OK what is it that you are saying here? No one knows what city Im from. I use TOR!! HELLO!! Im not trying to save these other guys, I just want it made clear that they have nothing to do with me.

Tor doesn't always work, as Javascript (and Flash) client can reveal your IP.

In any case, be patient. Lets wait for the panel.

Well you are wrong again. Because even if TOR didn't work. Those people don't have the same IP as me.

I HATE people who dont have ANY idea what they are talking about, post like they know what they are doing. When their own comments contradict each other. Man you guys just drive be crazy.

guy please calm down , waiting dev solve the problem





Sorry, I'm not going to just sit back and let some goof come on here and say that "no question" these accounts are linked to mine. Sometimes you need to be assertive. I said many times, delete those puppets from the list for all I care. But I want it made clear by this panel that those guys are not me. It really makes me mad

i also have the same problem now my account sign with "T" i think devteam will solve this problem soon ,
if we are not puppet or puppet master we should not care about that , isn't it ?
so just be patience .

We should care a lot. Yes, the puppets will end up getting deleted from the list. But now you are labeled as a puppet master. That is not good. Also, who knows what these other accounts have done to people? Now YOU have done those possibly bad things to people. Thats my problem
hero member
Activity: 1008
Merit: 501
July 08, 2014, 11:13:59 AM
OK what is it that you are saying here? No one knows what city Im from. I use TOR!! HELLO!! Im not trying to save these other guys, I just want it made clear that they have nothing to do with me.

Tor doesn't always work, as Javascript (and Flash) client can reveal your IP.

In any case, be patient. Lets wait for the panel.

Well you are wrong again. Because even if TOR didn't work. Those people don't have the same IP as me.

I HATE people who dont have ANY idea what they are talking about, post like they know what they are doing. When their own comments contradict each other. Man you guys just drive be crazy.

guy please calm down , waiting dev solve the problem





Sorry, I'm not going to just sit back and let some goof come on here and say that "no question" these accounts are linked to mine. Sometimes you need to be assertive. I said many times, delete those puppets from the list for all I care. But I want it made clear by this panel that those guys are not me. It really makes me mad

i also have the same problem now my account sign with "T" i think devteam will solve this problem soon ,
if we are not puppet or puppet master we should not care about that , isn't it ?
so just be patience .
full member
Activity: 304
Merit: 100
July 08, 2014, 11:11:08 AM

Devs said they'll share information with committee memebrs. We need a list of Tor IPs. Does anyone know where to get it?

Even if you just do http://www.ip-tracker.org/

Tor IPs will be flagged for either proxy or just spam.  It's easy to identify if an IP is a tor

So what are you saying? That the fact I use TOR will clear me from being connected to these other accounts? BY this panel


This is killing NODEs value BTW, no longer helping it at this point. Jesus
hero member
Activity: 984
Merit: 1000
July 08, 2014, 11:10:41 AM
WTF?!

You claim me being a puppet? That's just blatant idiot! The second account is not my personal one, its the one of another person sharing the same IP. Remove that f*cking tag or you just outed yourself as scammers and totally retarded! Each 3yr old kid knows you can't identify people by IP.  Roll Eyes  Angry
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1001
July 08, 2014, 11:08:53 AM
OK what is it that you are saying here? No one knows what city Im from. I use TOR!! HELLO!! Im not trying to save these other guys, I just want it made clear that they have nothing to do with me.

Tor doesn't always work, as Javascript (and Flash) client can reveal your IP.

In any case, be patient. Lets wait for the panel.

Well you are wrong again. Because even if TOR didn't work. Those people don't have the same IP as me.

I HATE people who dont have ANY idea what they are talking about, post like they know what they are doing. When their own comments contradict each other. Man you guys just drive be crazy.

I totally get you. No worries. Devs asked me to patricipate in the committee and I'll be fighting for every single person. Orginizing part is the weakest part of Node project. Hope I can help with it before people got totally mad because of devs decisions.
full member
Activity: 304
Merit: 100
July 08, 2014, 11:07:03 AM
OK what is it that you are saying here? No one knows what city Im from. I use TOR!! HELLO!! Im not trying to save these other guys, I just want it made clear that they have nothing to do with me.

Tor doesn't always work, as Javascript (and Flash) client can reveal your IP.

In any case, be patient. Lets wait for the panel.

Well you are wrong again. Because even if TOR didn't work. Those people don't have the same IP as me.

I HATE people who dont have ANY idea what they are talking about, post like they know what they are doing. When their own comments contradict each other. Man you guys just drive be crazy.

guy please calm down , waiting dev solve the problem





Sorry, I'm not going to just sit back and let some goof come on here and say that "no question" these accounts are linked to mine. Sometimes you need to be assertive. I said many times, delete those puppets from the list for all I care. But I want it made clear by this panel that those guys are not me. It really makes me mad
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
July 08, 2014, 11:04:52 AM

Devs said they'll share information with committee memebrs. We need a list of Tor IPs. Does anyone know where to get it?

Even if you just do http://www.ip-tracker.org/

Tor IPs will be flagged for either proxy or just spam.  It's easy to identify if an IP is a tor
hero member
Activity: 1008
Merit: 501
July 08, 2014, 11:01:20 AM
OK what is it that you are saying here? No one knows what city Im from. I use TOR!! HELLO!! Im not trying to save these other guys, I just want it made clear that they have nothing to do with me.

Tor doesn't always work, as Javascript (and Flash) client can reveal your IP.

In any case, be patient. Lets wait for the panel.

Well you are wrong again. Because even if TOR didn't work. Those people don't have the same IP as me.

I HATE people who dont have ANY idea what they are talking about, post like they know what they are doing. When their own comments contradict each other. Man you guys just drive be crazy.

guy please calm down , waiting dev solve the problem
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1001
July 08, 2014, 11:00:58 AM
OK what is it that you are saying here? No one knows what city Im from. I use TOR!! HELLO!! Im not trying to save these other guys, I just want it made clear that they have nothing to do with me.

Tor doesn't always work, as Javascript (and Flash) client can reveal your IP.

In any case, be patient. Lets wait for the panel.

I'm wondering how that panel is supposed to work. Do they also get 0 information on why the puppets are accused ? (like actuall data and not just beating around the buch) How are they supposed to decide ?

Devs said they'll share information with committee memebrs. We need a list of Tor IPs. Does anyone know where to get it?
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
July 08, 2014, 10:58:34 AM
OK what is it that you are saying here? No one knows what city Im from. I use TOR!! HELLO!! Im not trying to save these other guys, I just want it made clear that they have nothing to do with me.

Tor doesn't always work, as Javascript (and Flash) client can reveal your IP.

In any case, be patient. Lets wait for the panel.

I'm wondering how that panel is supposed to work. Do they also get 0 information on why the puppets are accused ? (like actuall data and not just beating around the buch) How are they supposed to decide ?

According to the developers, panel will get the relevant private information. That's why there is a need for panel as private information can't be posted to public forum as that will harm sock puppets privacy.

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