Topic: CoinExchanger is a scammer, stole Bitcoinica's coins, lied about contact info (Read 7673 times)

Yep - he even trolled here (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/message-for-zhoutong-86560) so he is far from dead.

Also, there are certain companies and legal structures which can bar people from joining or starting up a new one. Banking and financial regulators can bar people from participating in regulated companies. Which is one of the reasons people are willing to put their money in banks and financial institutions, that and deposit insurance. ;p

Bump - received a skype contact from Mr coinexchanger - seems they are still alive.

Yes, quoting my previous posts and personal attacks which have nothing to do with this thread will really make you look better.

• Since you've already announced you're not interested in Bitcoin anymore, why do you care?
• I've already been banned before. U mad bro?
• CoinExchanger isn't a real person so it doesn't matter, and I hope to god he would be so dumb as to come out publicly just to sue me.

OMG. After reading this thread and others of Matthew Im starting to wonder why he hasnt been banned yet. This is slander. If I would run a business and have some dick like him accuse me of major crimes without a grain of evidence I would sue. Please ban this moralchristfag before he spreads his cancer even further.

The black pawn on g seems to be on its way but beforehand a bit slaughtering has to take place: Qc4+, d5, Qxd5+, Qxd5+, Nxd5, Kxd5 ... looks jolly good for white now in my eyes. Instead of Qxd5+ the move Qh4 looks nice as well.

p.s.
g4 in opening looks strange to me, Qc3 was even worse. But on the long run white recovered pretty well.

DId you know that LLC's don't protect you from the FBI when you're opening up LLC's for the specific purpose to scam people? That's what I thought.

http://www.youtube.com/youtubepresents?feature=inp-lt-music <-- SXSE live right now

Did you know you can go create another LLC and continue after going bankrupt with your previous one? That's what I thought.

I didn't read the rest of your statements because the first one doesn't pass the smell test.

Basically you're saying that you believe it's okay for someone to scam.

Did you know you can go create another random PGP key and continue scamming as another business 5 minutes after being caught for scamming with your first business?

Yea, that's what I thought.

I believe a legitimate business can be anonymous and long as they identify themselves, something similar to how bitcoin itself works, what I mean by this is that an anonymous business  for example could have a pgp or gpg public key for identity, you have no idea who they are but nevertheless they can identify themselves, then if the business is corrupt people will know and the business will not last, if they are honest they will survive the test of time.

In the case of an exchange it can certainly be anonymous, with a gpg or pgp key they can identify themselves, and as long as people use it like an exchange and not like a bank the risk will be low, and lower as time increases.
The mistake a lot of us make it to use exchanges like banks and keep money at the exchanges, that in general is a bad idea, but if the exchange is only use to exchange money and has sound business practices it should be ok.

Let say an exchange is anonymous and it has been on the market for 1 month it is clearly a risk, but lets say an exchange has been around 5 years, it is still a risk however the risk in the later case is much smaller, with any currency there is always a risk, even banks backed by the government can be risky at times.

I guess the price an anonymous exchange would have to pay to be trustworthy is time, and as time increases and keeps a good track record its trustworthiness increased.

If a legitimate business whats to be anonymous and it is willing to identify itself using public key cryptography I see no problems with that, however if they are not willing to identify themselves that is a different story.

Unlike most people believe, being anonymous and provide identity can go together, they are not opposite terms.

Tsk tsk, misquoting people are we?

Uncle Jacks location has more than one floor. It's possible to be a correct address but lacking the suite/apt address (2B or 3A).

You'd touch what? 

Thank you, Goat and MPOE-PR. Points well taken. Will abide.

~Bruno~

Don't get me wrong, I am not for a second even suggesting the coinexchange guy is anything but dubious. He seems indeed beyond dubious to me and I'd never consider touching his thing with a ten foot pole. However, let's not start fighting crazy with crazy just yet.

With all due respect, MPOE-PR, although I agree with your post whole-heartedly, I echo Matthews concerns in regard to this issue. The gentleman claimed to be named Leo, but has now been proven that he's has also gone by the name Alfredo. At least Bruce didn't change his name as he went from one business concern to another. IMHO, this simply fact alone doesn't pass my olfactory test. At one point, Alfredo claimed he was in Russia when he clearly was located in the US.

~Bruno~

Poe's Law in full force here "Anyone advocating that a business be allowed to operate anonymously is advocating fraud."

Mr. Wright, have you been going for too long without your meds?

You pulled out that entire "coins went to HIS ACCOUNT" comedy act as if anyone can actually ascertain who controls a random bitcoin address. I thought it was pretty funny in the other thread. Now you repeat it as an established fact, which it neither is nor could it be. For all I know that address is yours, not his, you surely blather too much about the matter to not have any direct interest in it. But fine, whatever, just another 3k a year forum poster without anything better to do with his time, each forum has at least one.

The last quote is outright idiotic. A company is a person, just like overexcitable drama queens are persons. There's no difference between the two, never was in centuries of history. There's not going to be invented one to satisfy your delusions of self importance.

Enough of this already, seriously.

http://goldage.co/forum/i-have-the-golden-ea-106244-p7/#post1057528

Compare the above with this found as one of Maria posts: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.550239

Confirmed: Leo Alfredo and Maria are one and the same.

http://www.serkey.com/c-project-bepp5z.html

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Looks like we have a quantum human: http://osdir.com/ml/nycresistormicrocontrollers/2011-04/msg00125.html


Only 9 miles from Uncle jack's Restaurant.

Good catch Bruno.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/nycresistormicrocontrollers/QIQPlytpS_8

I was of course referring to the terrible secret of outer space.



Anything done right now would be considered harassment. Wait till either one steals from us (if they'd ever be so dumb).

Ask him if he has stairs in his house.

http://goldage.co/forum/i-have-the-golden-ea-106244-p8/#post1137182

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http://forum.fxopen.com/showthread.php?60327-I-have-the-Golden-EA.

Versed in Castilian. Quote from comments in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNorKz2NbfU&context=C3c74004ADOEgsToPDskL4Azh_xcFLszI-P6KNlWnZ


http://www.youtube.com/user/ATQCapital

Well you're all waiting for more info, perhaps you should read Joe's tweets to Leo Alfredo: https://twitter.com/joeberd

I suggest starting from the bottom and work up. It won't take you long.

According to Dan Kaplan at https://twitter.com/forex4ever, Leo's name is Alfredo (scroll to the bottom of his tweets).

Next, I show Leo as being in Russia, oppose to New York. Stay tuned.

uh oh, Phinneaus is back in detective mode again.

Dick Gage is now officially on the case. Let's start with this: http://chesstweets.com/games/307.

Let's see how badly we've been pawned.

~Bruno~

Point taken, but comment in the thread linked above. It's become a quite larger topic.

I agree with Kluge.

Matthew, I don't need you protecting me from "scummy fucks". If you're going to accuse people of wrongdoing, don't use ad hominem - It makes your indignation look like a show.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-ultimate-dilemma-67204

Need your input guys.

If people want to have anonymous banking or anonymous exchanging then the broker or bank has to remain anonymous.  That is just how it has to happen.  The liability and regulation by the governments is not on the customer of the bank, that regulation is on the bank or exchange operators.

Of coure the risks involved in dealing with an anonymous exchange or bank  is greater than with regulated banks.  I personally believe all business need to adequately state the risks involved in associating with the business, whether it is an anonymous exchange or MtGox.

Right. If you are not a criminal why do you want anonymity? why can't I read your email? why do you want anonymous transactions? etc etc FBI school of thought.

Are we going that way?

And then immediately get on the forum and start yelling about how we can't ban stolen coins, etc etc.

If those 'scapegoats' had random coins show up in their wallets, I am pretty sure that if they were honest they would have no problems returning them.

If I were a criminal and I stole a massive amount of BTC the first thing I'd do is to taint a few appropriate scapegoats.

watching...

no bitcoin in it anymore....

Lets just solve this like done in the other post.

Coinexchange, would  you please, in a yes or no manor state your answer to the following statements

Statement A: You in fact are bitcoin address 12F1GhUbVJvNW6ki1fRG1ZgeTkm2FixLLi and/or have access to that address in regards to the bitcoin in it.

Statement B: You currently in possession and/or have access to the coins sent to 12F1GhUbVJvNW6ki1fRG1ZgeTkm2FixLLi due to the security breach, and knowingly continue to hold onto them.

Bruno,

Do you play chess? if so, visit www.chesscoin.com

We can chat via skype: coinexchanger

Following this thread.

I feel that what I currently have him researching may shed some more light on this subject.

~Bruno~

thanks for speaking out about this Matt, I agree with you completely.

An anonymous exchange is a place that can advertise itself as an exchange, then take off with everyone's money after a while.

MyBitcoin.com V2.0.

I'm not sure what you mean by fraud. I certainly don't support theft but I do support money laundering for certain purposes. An anonymous exchange is a place where someone could sell coins without worrying about the government forcing the exchange to give them their identity.

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I am not saying I would ever do business with coinexchanger. But anonymous services like silk road and bitcoin fog do have their place.

Nice spin there buddy. Let's straighten it back out. All exchanges are already registered, except one, who calls Bitcoins monopoly money and says that he has the stolen coins. MtGox, CryptoXChange, Intersango, they've all gone through the steps necessary and required of them by their legal operating countries in order to be legal and provide a legal service. CoinExchanger ignores these responsibilities under the guise of providing anonymity (except everything they claim is always a lie or completely unprovable).

Don't assume that everything I post here is intended for your eyes. Apologies for any confusion. The coins were picked up by his claim moments after they were sent and there is no hard concrete proof he even has them, that is his claim. It was however necessary to state these things to incite a dialogue. Bear with me while we (not just I) get to the bottom of it.

I don't think anyone wants to comply with over-bearing government regulations and audits. Getting gov't more involved with fraud is dangerous in that it makes it more difficult for legitimate people from conducting business without complying with gov't laws. FinCEN laws affect more involved with BTC than just exchanges.

I'd rather have BitScalper and CoinTumbler than coercive regulation of Bitcoin businesses. Bitcoin is information, and policing information is the fastest way to kill Bitcoin.   

You're claiming this with absolutely zero evidence.  Anyone can link to blockchain.info (it wasn't even CoinExchanger who posted the link, but Jonathan Ryan Owens - and is meaningless in any case).  There is no reason to believe that there is any connection whatsoever between CoinExchanger and bitcoinica's stolen bitcoins.  For you to assert that there is, is both confusing and counterproductive.

Your activism/leadership may be well-intentioned, but its beginning to look overzealous and borderline irresponsible.  It is not what one would expect from a professional (director of bitcoin magazine), and to be honest I'm growing a bit uncomfortable having trusted you with my pre-order for the magazine.

I agree with customers having the right to remain anonymous. That is easily enough done through most exchanges when you know the rules they have to follow. (I'd say MtGox might be the strictest)

The problem (like with BitScalper) is that there is absolutely no accountability for businesses when they try to remain anonymous. Anyone advocating that a business be allowed to operate anonymously is advocating fraud.

I have never stolen a single bitcoin, but like remaining anonymous because of business on a certain tor site. I am sure many others agree.

Watching this thread (for some evidence to back up this accusation).

Now now, we're not advocating the monitoring and control of bitcoiners or even bitcoin, we're advocating exchanges not being anonymous scummy fucks (bitscalper anyone?) and ending the idiot tax this community seems to love dishing out.

I wish anonymous exchanges could function, but they can't, and sooner or later someone's going to pay for it.

Did CryptoXChange ever ask for anyone's ID here?

Why is it so important for an exchange to be absolutely anonymous unless you're trying to sell stolen bitcoins?

Maybe I'm going to piss a lot of libertards off by asking these very basic questions and all, but my philosophy on the issue hasn't maturely developed yet so I'm actually asking right now, not just being sarcastic.

Isn't the risk of BitScalper worth blackballing them from the society? Isn't any business or company trying to remain anonymous supposed to be shooting up red flags for everyone? When a customer's records are not even collected, why would a business need to be anonymous? Can't the customers just remain anonymous?

I hate to see you use the law that can be used against us, bitcoiners.

Where's your evidence?  You need more than a large font size to support this accusation.

I have to agree with cypherdoc, if the thief was smart enough to be able to pull off this hack surely he would be smart enough to launder them properly

Does Theymos have some IPs?

UPDATE: Upon confirming with Shawn the manager at Uncle Jacks at the registered address in the Whois for CoinExchanger.com, there is no one by the name of Leo Camilo (big surprise). I'll be working with Shawn (local manager) and Anthony (corporate manager) to make absolutely sure no one receives mail at that address who shouldn't be and will have them interview their employees closely as this is now a federal crime and will be reported directly to FinCEN and the FBI.

well, no, i don't think so.  Extravagant seems to be the first.

He seems to be a moron (look up the posts by Maria or himself) but it could be an act.

He IS the first person to receive the stolen coins and within seconds of receiving was posting that he received them and their spot value. That's highly unlikely for an unconnected party, no?

Matthew,

are u claiming he performed the hack and stole all the coins or that he just has a few that somehow he suddenly got a hold of?

Hmm...sounds like a few years of jail time oughta do the trick.  Jailhouse mining is a bit different than Bitcoin mining.

CoinExchanger.com is an admittedly unregistered MLB (money license business) that must be registered by FinCEN within 6 months of opening their doors and sharing their first stored value. They have not done so and are in direct violation of federal law.

The owner of CoinExchanger.com is Leo Camilo, who advertises his address as 440 9th ave, New york, New York,10001 US and personal telephone number 1 (347) 469-1040.

His private email (search google) is [email protected].

He has publicly stated on multiple occasions that:

• bitcoin is fake money, "monopoly money" and has no value and should not be trusted for this reason.
• his exchange is functional with a large user base, when not a single user has ever reportedly done business with him
• he is holding coins stolen from Zhou Tong's Bitcoinica and says "fuck you Zhou, you're just a stupid 17 year old kid, these coins are mine now" basically.

He also:

• goes under the sock puppet scammer account name "Maria"
• claims to be a millionaire and restaurant owner

He is currently in possession of stolen Bitcoins from the Linode hack and any coins purchased from him will not be accepted by MtGox or anyone in the Bitcoin community.