coinr.to - Simply mix your Coins and keep privacy

dkbit98

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Quote from: CoinR-Tools on May 17, 2022, 05:09:28 AM

really... it is kind of ridicoulus to keep fixing on cloudflare... We need to protect our service from DDOS. All these services who protect you would be a problem for you. How would you solve the problem?

So you are saying that cloudflare is the only solution for DDOS attacks and nothing else works?
Oh and btw cloudflare is often used for free or it's very cheap and I think that is one of the reasons why you and many other websites are using it, but this doesn't mean it's good, especially for privacy related websites and mixers...
Good DDOS protection can be achieved without cloudflare, but it's not free.

There is even one open source DDoS protection system, that is still early phase, but should be considered in future:
https://github.com/AltraMayor/gatekeeper

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Quote from: CoinR-Tools on May 17, 2022, 05:09:28 AM

really... it is kind of ridicoulus to keep fixing on cloudflare... We need to protect our service from DDOS. All these services who protect you would be a problem for you. How would you solve the problem? In my expierience I saw many thos and other dervices who came online and get DDossed from the concurrent services. So protecting us from DDOS must be done.

I'm not trying to be a dick here... But there's a reason why we focus on cloudflare...
Did you read the post i linked to? Did you understand what it said?

You're running a service that helps people achieve a certain degree of anonimity, but at the same time you're giving EVERY piece of data they exchange with your site to a US company (unencrypted!!!). This means that *any* three letter agency, and probably most friendly nations will only require a very limited amount of paperwork in order to unmask every client your site has ever had.

They'll know deposit addresses, they'll know ip's, they'll know timestamps, they'll know browser fingerprints, they'll know which address your customer likes to receive his mixed funds.
Basically, by using cloudflare, you turn your whole operation m00t.

There are other (technical*) sollutions to the DDos problem. If you really chose cloudflare, your site should show a very big, clear warning that the US governement, all it's actors and all it's friends (aswell as a big private company) have access to your mixer's logs (well, not in the literal sense, but they might just aswell have had access to your mixer's logs.. if you don't log anything, they'll have more info on your clients than you will have yourself).

* with technical sollutions, i mean going to a bulletproof datacenter that has purchased physical devices to mitigate DDos attacks (like, for example, this line of products: https://carrier.huawei.com/en/products/fixed-network/b2b/Security/DDoS-Protection-System/AntiDDoS8000) OR concentrate on tor.

CoinR-Tools

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really... it is kind of ridicoulus to keep fixing on cloudflare... We need to protect our service from DDOS. All these services who protect you would be a problem for you. How would you solve the problem? In my expierience I saw many thos and other dervices who came online and get DDossed from the concurrent services. So protecting us from DDOS must be done.

mocacinno

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Quote from: CoinR-Tools on May 03, 2022, 06:10:25 AM

Hi,
I did explain, how it works, look at the FAQ

The software is well testen by our team and some beta testers. I will not make the list of testers public of course.
As I told you, you are right with cloudflare, but you can compare with many other services in the scene. They all use cloudflare and I think, we all have the same opinion on why we use it. You cannot have perfect privacy AND perfect security, so you have to decide, where you can be MOSTLY private and MOSTLY sercure. You should know this, if you are the developer of the page in your signature.

I've actually written a very lenghty post about this very cloudflare issue in the past...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mixers-using-cloudflares-ssl-certificates-5247838

Here's a quote directly from this post (written 2 years ago, but still equally relevant as the day i penned it down):

Quote from: mocacinno on May 12, 2020, 04:19:59 AM

--snip--
In my experience dealing with new mixer operators, a discussion between the mixing operator and myself usually falls in this pattern:

Mixing owner: Look what a nice mixer i have, look at the nice pictures, look at all the bells and wistles, look at the fancy colors.... I even have moving images to keep you entertained while using my perfect service that is 100% anonymous in every way imaginable!
Me: hey OP, your mixer uses cloudflare's SSL certificates as a MITM and google analytics
Mixing owner: everybody is doing it, just have a look at our competitors
Me: It's not because everybody else is wrong, you have to be too
Mixing owner: some other lame excuse
Me: That's a lame excuse (but worded politely)
Mixing owner: we have a hidden service on tor
Me: most users wouldn't even know you're using cloudflare, so they won't switch to the tor mirror (if they even know how to do this)
Mixing owner: I'll put it on my todo list (under the section: "things to do when hell freezes over")

--snip--

You're currently at point 3: it's not because your competitors are wrong, that you *have* to make the wrong decission aswell.

Please read the post i linked to and reconsider your decission... Really, a mixer using cloudflare can not be called a mixer (at least not for me)

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CoinR-Tools

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Hi,
I did explain, how it works, look at the FAQ

The software is well testen by our team and some beta testers. I will not make the list of testers public of course.
As I told you, you are right with cloudflare, but you can compare with many other services in the scene. They all use cloudflare and I think, we all have the same opinion on why we use it. You cannot have perfect privacy AND perfect security, so you have to decide, where you can be MOSTLY private and MOSTLY sercure. You should know this, if you are the developer of the page in your signature.

dkbit98

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Quote from: CoinR-Tools on May 02, 2022, 06:54:10 AM

As you told us, we don't have any explanation, how everything works, we added a section to our FAQ, where everything is explained.

You didn't actually explained how mixing works in FAQ page of your website, all that you said is that you have 67 bitcoins in reserve and that all process is fully automatic and tested very well.
I don't know who exactly tested it and I didn't see any independent reviews for your service so far.

Quote from: CoinR-Tools on May 02, 2022, 06:54:10 AM

According to cloudflare: We use Cloudflare, because we want our customers to always have a good expierience on our website and always have a fast loading webite, if they visit us. Cloudflare also provides a good DDOS protection. We don't want downtimes because others perform DDOS attacks to us.

I understand you want to use cloudflare to prevent DDOS attacks, but all traffic, addresses, transactions and IP addresses are compromised in this way, and US government agencies will have all this data available.

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Hello,
Of course I understand your point of view. That is a discusable point. For some people, it is a negative point, but others apprecheate the fact, that it protects to service and provides performance. On the other side, we also provide the tor service to give more anonymity. We will discuss this point internally. Thank you for your feedback!

CoinR-Tools

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Hello,

thank you very much for your reply and feedback! This is very important for us and we always try to make our product better!
As you told us, we don't have any explanation, how everything works, we added a section to our FAQ, where everything is explained.
According to cloudflare: We use Cloudflare, because we want our customers to always have a good expierience on our website and always have a fast loading webite, if they visit us. Cloudflare also provides a good DDOS protection. We don't want downtimes because others perform DDOS attacks to us.

We hope, we could answer all your questions and hope to see you as our customer

dkbit98

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Quote from: CoinR-Tools on May 01, 2022, 01:20:57 PM

Of course I know, it's hard to trust somebody and it is very good to be careful. We guarantee, you will get your mixed coins back! Just try and see yourself. The minimum mixing amount is 0.001BTC.
At the start of our new business, we want you to give us trust and make you convinced of our service. Therefore, we want to give you, the users of bitcointalk, an exclusive discount code.

You didn't explain how mixing actually works in your service, and FAQ page on your website has only minimal information.
I appreciate the discount you have for bitcointalk members, but I see that you are using Cloudflare and I don't consider this to be good practice for mixing service to have.
I see no benefit and advantage for coinr.to compared to other mixers we have available.

CoinR-Tools

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Of course I know, it's hard to trust somebody and it is very good to be careful. We guarantee, you will get your mixed coins back! Just try and see yourself. The minimum mixing amount is 0.001BTC.
At the start of our new business, we want you to give us trust and make you convinced of our service. Therefore, we want to give you, the users of bitcointalk, an exclusive discount code.

This discount code can be used 100 times and will give you a discount of 50% to the service fee of any order: BTCTALK50P

CoinR-Tools

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Hello!

Domains
Clearnet: CoinR.to
TorNet: coinr4f4ajtva3ndilxu7iycoz6wwh3w4zyexg27dzwz4ex6ets65lqd.onion

Who are we?

We are CoinR(-Tools) and we are pretty new here and want to serve you with our crypto tools. For now we have developed our Bitcoin Mixer to help you keep your coins anonymous, but we are constantly working on new developments and improvements to our existing software.

Features

To keep it short, let me just tell you, what you will get:

No Logs! We do not keep any logs. All transaction details, that are necessarily saved, will be deleted immediately after your order is finished. We are absolutely NOT interested in your data.
No registration! You do not need any registration or account
Realtime Track your mixing process in realtime. You can see instantly, when your payment received us, a confirmation received for your transaction or you received your mixed coins back.

If you have any further questions, feel free to write a PM or a mail to: [email protected]
We would be happy, if you share your expierience with us!

Thank you for your attention!

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