Topic: coin.trader / roberto exchange / [email protected] SCAMMING for US$100 (Read 796 times)

If this is true then I think it is obvious that Furwin is an alt of coin.trader and deserves to get a negative trust from DT as well. OP can you please post some of the screenshots of him sending this message to you?

A lot of people has entered the coin.tradrr promised giveaway. He has promised to reveal the winners 3 days ago and still hasn't streamed anything anywhere. Should be clear to anyone that he's not planning on paying either.

Did anyone else reading this post get scammed by coin.trader? Don't be afraid to come forward with information

He obviously has not paid the giveaway nor is he planning on paying it anytime soon.

And unless bipolarbob comes around, that thread is dead and not getting revived.

Why would he do it? For fun I guess to see how many people will fall into his trap.

They're obviously alts but he wasn't posting it in public because he didn't want all of his accounts to have negative trust. Looks like that backfired.

While we're on it, what about the giveaway thread you started coin.trader? What was the point of that?

Hold up, so did I send to [email protected] and then your neteller got blocked?

Or did I send to [email protected] neteller which then got blocked?

Because if btn.iulian isn't yours, you should have no idea if it was blocked or not. And it should have been blocked, over two days I made many phone calls to Neteller trying to sort this out. Hardly surprising they would block btn.iulian as a precaution. Which Neteller is blocked coin.trader?

Here is the Neteller transaction:
https://i.imgur.com/vEs4cwy.png

Here is a screenshot you sent me in tawk.to/robertoexchange where you showed me the refund mentioned in OP was declining:
https://i.imgur.com/FK14v4B.png


Good find. His active thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1940623.20) has coin.trader posting too. I wonder why Furwin would give somebody elses neteller and free money. Any explanation coin.trader?

First of all, that is not my neteller account.

He sent to my [email protected] that is my neteller account. I ask the OP to show the source of neteller funds. My account was blocked after I received the funds.

I got a pm from a different user using the same mail

Name: Roberto Breiva
E-mail: [email protected]

Scams are extremely common on this forum because bitcoin is anonymous as you said and also reversible. People on this forum are only identified as a single username and nothing else. Nobody knows the full name mmes of anyone except for a few members.

I would disagree on the 98% scam rate but people who insist on chatting on Skype whilst having zero reputation are probably scammers. There are a lot of legit bitcoiners that offer Skype as an alternative form of communication.

Thanks for the info. I've been on multiple forums for various trading in my life. By a wide margin, this website has the biggest number of scammers, unless they are a small group with multiple accounts. I understand scammers will always be present, but with such a high % of scammers I assume something else is going on to allow them to flourish. It may also just be the anonymous nature of crypto.

I PMed OgNasty last night, and he said he doesnt use Skype, claimed 98% of users from Bitcointalk who use Skype are scammers. Reflecting, this is probably fairly accurate. I think I will listen to his advice and stick to PMs only despite the 6 minute wait between PMs and maximum 5/hour. And obviously use an escrow every time.

Mostly I'm angry at myself for contributing to the problem by falling for the scam and being the reason scammers are here

Thanks again for the guidance, much appreciated.

There isn't really a great way on this forum to know someone is a scammer if they are here doing successful trades so I'm not sure how they could be identified before they decide to scam. Also keep in mind that "successful trades" can be faked by other accounts owned by the same person (alts), and they can leave as much "untrusted" feedback on themselves as they want, making it look like they are trading with other "users" when they really are not.

Members with "green" trust on their trusted 0/0/0 score are usually the ones with actual proven trades because they have been given positive feedback by other DT members, whom are generally trusted by most of the community, but my belief is even green users should also always be looked at before trading. You should always look at the user who is leaving them feedback as well to ensure it's not just random newbies/alts or other scammers themselves posting feedback for whatever reason.

Once a scammer's account has been marked "red" by a DT member, their accounts usually become pretty worthless to them because nobody (except maybe other scammers) are going to want to trade with them, and they cannot easily sell their account or use them in most signature campaigns.

The escrow's job is to act as a trusted middle man between the trade to prevent the opportunity to scam. If an escrow was always used, there should be minimal opportunity to scam. There is a chance the escrow turns into a scammer themselves, but this is much more unlikely, and rare, especially if you are using a reputable escrow that has handled a lot of successful trades with large amounts and has been around a long time.

The admins could probably do more to proactively fight scammers but I believe they have deemed it as just too much overhead to monitor and really just put the burden on the community members themselves to be vigilant.

Thanks for the info. Essential reading really.
It's a personal belief. If they trade for whatever reason and scam when the opportunity presents, they have two reasons to stay. If we take away the frequent successful trades, it can make it not worth their time to stick around purely to scam.

Rephrased, if the site is more functional for a person, a person is more likely to hang around. The purpose of this thread isn't to solve problems though, I am new and can only pretend to know the ins and outs of this forum. Case in point, the fact that this thread exists.

The trust system is also not moderated, but clicking on the trust link of someone whether is says 0/0/0 or not is usually a good idea before trading. Only members in the "DefaultTrust" (DT) network can impact that 0/0/0 score (unless you have customized your own trust list). By default, accounts will start off trusting only the DefaultTrust network. Feedback from non-DT accounts will show up under "untrusted" feedback on the users trust page, but may not be as noticeable because it does not change the 0/0/0. Untrusted feedback is a lot of times unreliable and anyone can leave feedback in this area saying whatever they want.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/minor-trust-score-algorithm-change-1066857

Also, how is using an escrow with a scammer enabling their scamming?  

Agreed, full responsibility here. I took for granted the trust under the username on posts. I assumed 0/0/0 meant no negative feedback. I'm not sure how it works, but I guess I have to click the trust link on every single person. I agree with using an escrow, but I feel using an escrow with scammers only enables their further scamming and keeps them functioning on bitcointalk, when what we need is them disabled from plaguing this site.

I've left feedback for this user... there is an unpaid giveaway where excuses are being made and at least 2 others saying he has not sent the BTC.
"Moderators do not remove likely scams. You must use your own brain: caveat emptor."
A reputable escrow would have been a good choice here.

What happened::
coin.trader saw my thread in Marketplace/Currency Exchange and PMed me a link to https://tawk.to/robertoexchange, where he has live chat. We chat, agree on price, I propose increments and he agrees. I send US$100 through Neteller to [email protected]. He proceeded to stall, claiming sync errors with his wallets since he has been away for weeks. Hours pass. I request a refund. He says there will be too many fees since his account is in EUR, and there will be another conversion to USD. I offer my EUR Neteller which is a luxury of being Gold VIP. He claims a declined transaction. I request he send back the USD to the original email I transferred from. He says there will only be US$72 after fees (should be $92). I agree since at this stage I expect to get $0 back. Claims constant declining transactions. As expected, recieve $0. My fault for not clicking the 'trust' link. It showed up all zeros. When I clicked there were multiple negatives, no idea why it doesnt show underneath the username on each post to make it a little more obvious. No idea why such a negative user has an active thread, and isn't banned.

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cointrader-972898

Reference Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/buying-all-your-bitcoin-available-247-live-chat-1879063
Amount Scammed: US$100
Payment Method: Neteller [email protected]
Proof of Payment: https://i.imgur.com/x5Miqy1.png
PM/Chat Logs:
Additional Notes:
https://i.imgur.com/K476TvW.png
PM
https://i.imgur.com/tsBt0kD.png
Declined Neteller

At this stage, I am fairly confident this is a scammer. If there is anything else I need to supply, please let me know. If coin.trader makes anyy transfers of BTC/ETH/US$ I will update accordingly. I recommend everybody avoid until this issue is resolved.