Topic: Comparing Craig Wright with the Core Developers and Segwit supporters? (Read 287 times)

I can't speak for why his name is being mentioned on this particular thread, cause I do not understand fully what motivated it, but from a general bitcoiner's perspective, you cannot afford to totally ignore CSW. His takes are as wrong as he is arrogant in delivering them, but there are lots of totally ignorant people out there who can fall for his crap, if it's not debunked as aggressively as he is spreading them.

The media is not doing a good job at stating how wrong his claim of being Satoshi is, so bitcoin enthusiasts have to do that job.

From the start he was using every ace he has in his sleeves and non of it seemed to do the right part for him and now he is already running out of cards to play. I wonder why his name is still being mentioned here, They were just again trolling and want some attention which not gonna work for sane people. only those who are totally ignorant will believe them no matter what they say, they really need to back up their claim with concrete evidence and simply opinions won't get them anywhere at all.

windfury. do some research and stop the personal insulting crap. i only insult you in response to your insults. the other topic that triggered you, didnt even mention your name,  it was a topic about a social group or loyalists that idiotically remain loyal to a false narrative

as an example of CSW loyalists

SO SOME RESEARCH.. READ A LIILT

oh and you and your buddies are not even core devs.. so why are you writing this topic to make it a new fake topic about devs..

But this particular troll OCCASIONALLY has been "making good points" to set the newbies up for some disinformation, some gaslighting, AND start another social drama, while telling everyone that he doesn't want to start another social drama. Hahaha. It's probably for the best to ignore everything.

Some people occasionally make some good points in spite spewing some nonsense.

Listen to their good point. Ignore the rest.

No need to debate someone's unreasonable opinions when they don't seem to matter and won't ever change.

firstly

only your dozen idiot buddy group echo chamber the narrative you defend so much
even the core devs have stopped pushing your version of events and owned up to the actual contentious events

oh and that topic windfury is trying to mention but trying to be vague hoping no one reads it.. but just hint to it to spark more social drama

it didnt even mention anyone by name...
yet the obvious candidates to which a certain false narrative of an event elaborates too came out the woodwork knowing it was about them. because yep they know they are involved in the fake narrative
thus outting themselves

i feel your anger is that when your buddies do finally go against loyalty and finally go research the actual blokdata.. it means they have to break loyalties to you. and your angry your friends will slowly leave you alone.

that topic where i posted a comment. is not about segwit. i did not even mention the word segwit(YOU are now trying to make it about that)

the content and context was about a question concerning(not verbatim) how can idiots easily be fooled into believing a lie and then spend years defending and staying loyal to a buddy partner group that wants to continue the lie

so i used an example of when a similar social game was played

but by you and windfury getting so triggered.. seems to reveal more about your games than my comments point was even trying to reveal

especially how you dont want your stupidity mentioned in multiple topics, and you want it limited to one topic where you can hide your exposure. and try to deny you ever got debunked to hope you can keep your games alive

just get the hint. the blockchain immutable data is there, only your 12 buddy group are echo chambering that false narrative and you only want to listen to them as your defence and pretence that you feel it has not been debunked because your buddies have remained loyal

but here is the thing
THOUSANDS of people are not following your narrative
they know there was a hard fork they know it was not soft they know that there was controversy

so get over yourself. your buddy group loyalty is not your proof..
and thats the point
i dont need to rely on social drama convincing people. people just need to do their own research and read the block data i diont need to form buddy groups

There's nothing "supposed" about it.  You are 100% a troll.  You invade topics that have nothing to do with SegWit and drag them off-topic to rant about SegWit.  You are a toxic, attention-seeking, belligerent, narcissistic sociopath with a saviour-complex and an ego the size of a small moon.  If you were not a troll, you would put all your so-called "evidence" in one single topic, rather than constantly derailing other topics.  If the data really was as convincing as you claim it is, you wouldn't need to post it in every goddamn thread.  And on that note:



Simple question.  After putting your data into countless dozens of threads, how many people have replied saying "this data supports franky1's assertions"?  Or anything remotely along those lines?

How many people have interpreted this data as you interpret it?

It's not many, isn't it?

For years, you've been saying this data proves you right.  And for years, very few users, if any, have agreed with you.  Yet you claim the evidence is irrefutable and proves you right.  Why does no one else see it?

So is it really the best orchestrated conspiracy in history, where we've somehow managed to prevent tens-of-thousands of accounts from making a comment that vindicates you?  Just one solitary user agreeing with you and exposing our supposed cover-up and recognising your "truth"?  

Or is the more likely outcome that the "evidence" doesn't mean what you think it means?  To me, it's far more probable that you have been wasting your time and discrediting yourself by spouting ridiculous nonsense for years on end.  What really happens is that people see your posts, look at the data, roll their eyes like I do, think "this franky1 weirdo is a raving lunatic" and either disregard you or add their voices to the ever-growing number of people that say you're wrong.  

The *only* rational conclusion is that you don't understand what the data means.  You are reading data, misinterpreting its meaning and arriving at a flawed conclusion that no sane person will ever agree with, no matter how many times you repeat it like a brain-damaged parrot.  You are the Flat-Earther here.  You have convinced yourself of something that simply isn't true.  Your confirmation-bias won't allow you to see what others see, and so you dismiss them as part of a conspiracy that doesn't even exist.

Why do you persist with discrediting yourself further?  You are wrong.  Accept it.

I think there are still a lot of people (not as many, definitely) who support Craig and think he's going to win this trial and everything he said will come true.  I think the difference this time is that before he was making threats and moving forward with his plan.  He accepted that Bitcoin was doing what it was doing and forked it like a sane human being would.  However, this time he isn't acting like a sane human being.  This time he's suing those who disagree and trying to force people to do what he wants.  That's a pretty far cry from forking to do your own thing.  Anyone can fork Bitcoin and that's fine.  That's how open source projects work.  When you start suing people who won't let you control their project, that's when it's a problem. 

ok...
for all those interested. im the supposed troll

firstly i have been calling out CSW as a scammer since 2015!!
stop being a social drama queen liar to defend your silly opinon

and no dont pretend 100%(an unnatural occuracne to even exist) of btc were segwit supporters in mid 2017. and now dont even dare to try to say i am saying that i am comparing the whole BTC community as CSW's
how dare you stoop so low

YOU= your 11 buddies are such queen's of drama. just stop with the drama and understand the context. and the details and the actual words and the actual meanings of actual things.. and realise what the question and my response was actually about

the question and my response:
so i poked at a certain group of people (only 3-4 of them were in the hodlenaut topic asking a genuine question, which i found hypocritical of those 3-4 to ask based on previous experience of them) because:

certain people in the hodlonaut topic asked(not verbatim) why do idiots blindly stay loyal to other idiots who tell a story that is only backed up by quotes of other idiot friends of theirs.. but that story does not align to actual proof. such as blockdata. historic events, actual code.etc

see a genuine question. that deserves a genuine answer

here is the link to the post
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61008060

i noted the hypocrisy of these certain peoples question.. so thought i would let them solve their own question by using an example of when THEY personally decided to trust friendship loyalty over hard fact data

 i called out a group of people for using social bias and loyalties to push a different narrative(about a different event) that does not fit the real blockdata version of events.. so they can get some prospective of the reasons. because those asking the question are involved in a false social drama narrative of the other event i poked at..

thus they could ask themselves and answer themselves why they believe in loyalty of human trust rather than evidence of immutable hard fact data

so windfury is upset because I called him out on a topic.. even though i didnt use his name. he seems to have outed himself.. by biting

poor lad.. he cant be bothered to read blockchain data so wants to point fingers and name call to defend his opinion that bitcoin upgraded without controversy, without a hard fork(his buddy group narrative).. even though there was controversy and a mandatory hardfork to remove the opposition, to activate a bitcoin upgrade

shamefully he then wasnt to push any that disagree's with the tactics used to get the upgrade activated, must somehow belong in the same group as scammers and thieves and scumbags

windfury.. put your social drama to bed.

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its funny that now he is still trying to defend that his opinion remains strong. and thinks i am trying to confuse him to the point of insanity and manipulate his mind(gaslight) and i must just be a troll for trying to get him to actually look at the evidence that opposes his opinion about events of bitcoin..

oh well windfury.. stop crying. stop posting social drama and JUST READ THE BLOCKCHAIN DATA.. you have had YEARS to do it

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one major thing you should learn
bitcoin does not upgrade unless it shows high majority flag accepting to upgrade.

if people veto, object. this does not mean they are following some scammer team. it means they dont like the path an upgrade wants to take and are simply objecting to an upgrade. which normally means the upgrade proposers go away and tinker with their proposal and come back with a compromise..

it does not mean mandate the upgrade to activate anyway by removing non-flagging blocks to fake a 100%(which is an unnatural amount to ever accomplish but they did) and hen do social drama calls that objectors must be on some other team of scammers.

GROW UP.

the point of the question was not to debate the whos on what team of some civil war event that fits their narrative..
 it was to point out that even in BTC there are people that would rather cause social drama by faking history to fit their story of drama creating crap that they just want to entertain each other with for years by echo chambering the fake versions of history just to make more drama

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last thing. if you want to start another social drama debate (you did by making this topic)
atleast try to provide evidence. and not just shwow you emotions and try pigeon holing people into some scammer group becasue you think if they disagree with your opinion they must be some troling scammer..

now go read the blockchain data of the event you continually want to social drama lie about. get your facts straight. realise the truthe and move on with yourlife

oh and by the way core devs actually admittted that the controversial hard mandatory hard fork occured..
so dont turn this into a 2022 debate about calling out the devs.
its about calling out just 12 idiots that still cling on to a version of event that didnt not occur the way they want to present it

so read the blockchain data, own up to your mistake. and make that group number, one less

Yeah, unfortunately I am going to have to agree. Not only is Faketoshi (AKA Craig Wright) claiming to be Satoshi Nakamoto without handing in any inkling of proof but he also shills for obvious scams and not-so-obvious scams but nonetheless have historically been proven to be scam, just a bit more complicated. Of course I am talking about his shitcoin endorsements. Really says something about the character of a person when they endorse shitcoins even though they "truly" only believe in Bitcoin. Nothing he does has any kind of positive side for the Bitcoin community. He seems like a ego maniac to me.

CWS and his shitcoin and his cult are a part of this so-called "Scaling Debate" that is still ongoing, and the "Scaling Debate" stopped being a technical debate a very long time ago, probably around 2015. When the big block camp started saying that the debate is "political" and that it was about who controls Bitcoin, they stopped arguing in good faith and started using populism and propaganda in what was meant to be a technical debate.

Comparisons should be made for the same type of person. Developers and developers, supporters and supporters.

If you consider Craig Wright as a developer, let's compare him with Core Developers and Segwit Developers (from Core Developers)
If you consider Craig Wright as a supporter, let's compare him with Core Supporters and Segwit Supporters

In both comparisons, I don't see how Craig Wright is good enough. He shills a shitcoin, tries to scam people and is not comparable with people who actually develop products that change the world and really support a project that pioneers the adoption of blockchain and cryptocurrency.

Another issue again? Im just wondering but what if CW actually can open or used the wallet which Satoshi used way back when he did do some transactions and able to prove it. Im thinking the issue will be gone and mostly will honored CW as Satoshi founder of bitcoin. Because that can backed the story right? But that dream never came anyways. So much for the trolls.

The difference between this and the "schisms" is that the "big blockers" on the other side of the debate consisted of a bunch of people and not just one guy on a revenge tour.

There's a troll who likes to gaslight, but mentions that he doesn't like "social drama", but continues to start social drama. Is he baiting people? Perhaps, but I'll bite.

How can someone compare the Hodlnaut trials to the Scaling Debate? The troll also wants to indicate, indirectly, that like the fraudulent followers of Craig Wright who have their "echo chamber", that the supporters of Segwit are also fraudulent that listen only to their own "echo chamber".



The troll doesn't differentiate that Craig Wright is not Satoshi trying to claim he's Satoshi, and the Scaling Debate is an actual technical debate on how to proceed in Bitcoin's development further. I thought the latests posts of the troll were good, but he was probably was planning another game of gaslighting.

Plus if the majority of the Bitcoin community indeed followed Roger Ver, or Gavin Andresen, WHO was one of the people supporting them during that time? Craig Wright.