Topic: Comparing HDD mining to GPU mining - Manufacturing Demolition is about Same-Same (Read 225 times)

Comparing PoC HW prices to PoW GPU hw prices, how the scam largely made GPU's unavail, and now HDD's are unavail, that is the OP; not sure about where the butt-hurt about defining the 'PoC' comes from.

WRT you issue, ... https://miningpoolstats.stream/

bitcoinhd BitcoinHDBHD
burstcoin BurstCoinBURST
litecoinhd LitecoinHDLHD
diskcoin DiskcoinDISC
hddcash HDD.CashHDD
xrphd XRPHDXHD
mass MassMASS
chia ChiaXCH
arweave ArweaveAR

Take this up with the POOLS, ask them why they put arweave in with burst? Don't ask me, or this OP.

WRT to arweave https://www.arweave.org/ I suggest U visit their own site where they say "We're a data-storage coin", so all this begs the question, who is right about anything?

I just wanted to ask about this trend of sending our HW prices to the moon for bullshit crypto hysterias.

So we can all confirm that CHIA sucks,

But what about the price of HDD's going 4x or higher,... Just like GPU's

All the HW is now out of reach for normal people doing normal stuff, even security HDD's are now un-affordable for small biz

U all understand that CHIA is/was promoted by WD & SAMSUNG, they were jealous of Nvidia

Thank you, a dude who understand Chia mining and plotting and all other stuff 

Burst/BHD dual mining is something that give a little profit -> burst rise in price the last months and implemented staking/mortgage. BHD is dead but can be trade at the moment. lhd, xhd, hdd, disc, boom all died and was scam to make some profits for the developer. Mass also named scam in the past, but it has trading volumen, developers are active -> we will see what happened.

Arweave is no PoC coin, and i don´t know why so many people take it to the list of poc coins.

Yeah corsair 510 is not so good for plotting.

But overall thanks dude -> you confirm me in my way of thinking and working.

WOW, so much mis-information on here.

First, if you want to "Compare HDD mining to GPU mining"

Then fine, but limit it to these coins -

bitcoinhd
burstcoin
litecoinhd
diskcoin
hddcash
xrphd
mass MassMASS

The only one i have found to be sucessful for the "home miner" was BURST, and that was 3 years ago now. Today it too is fairly pointless.

Never found anywhere to sell Diskcoin
Areweave is something else entirely
CHIA...not a traditional POC coin.

The thing is, your trying to compare a type of POW with another type of POW, yet i bet none of you have mined any POC coin for over a year, Most of them bar BURST are even fully estabished yet, and certainly dont have the mining base ETH has.
Back in the day BURST was raining coins. I think most of us has somewhere between 100K and 1 mil BURST, heck we used to give them away, cos they wernt worth anything....
HOWEVER, in terms of a POC coin, it was awesome. You could plot a 8TB extermal SMR HDD with a Ryzen 1700 in a little over a day, and a couple of those drives SOLO mining got you a load of coin.
The pools came very quicky, and their were tons of them. SO anyone could have a go....if you look at the list of POC coins now, unless you have at least 100TB of free storage, pointless....

As for CHIA, it DOES kill SSDs and NVME, in the plotting stage, but NOT in the farming stage, i am still using my 5 years old Seagate External 8TB HDDS (SMR) and 4 or 5 are perfect (the 5th one i dropped down 2 flights of stairs). These drives have been mining BURST for 3 n half years continuously and now are holding my CHIA plots, no issue....
BUT CHIA differs very differently from BURST (i say BURST cos all the other POC coins use BURST plots) in the way the plotting is done. Instead of filling 8TB a day, i can do on a good day 0.8 to 1 TB a day, so complete waste of time. As for the killing DRIVES, for some reason they have chosen a plotting method that entirely favours enterprise level equipment. It doe a huge amount of writes the plotting drives, and therefore eats thru the TBW of the drive incredibly quickly. Don't be fooled most NVME / SSD when run constantly at high temp / high write speeds are luck to last 30-50% of their TBW, thats it the controller doesn't fail first.
The other factor is that consume ssds/nvme have cache, and are generally qlc or tlc. This means that they are great fr copying smallish (>1GB files) every quickly, but take my corsair 510 1TB, it starts writing @ well over 2500 Mbs, but after a short file drops to around 500mps, or lower for over 85% of the plotting.....A Enterprise SSD will acheive the same speed for 100% of plotting time, an Enterprise NVME should do full speed again for 100% of time.

I personally would love to see a POC coin, much more like the original BURST, it was easy to plot, and easy to mine. You genuinely could do it on an old desktop, or modern-ish laptop, add an external HDD when u could afford t, and it really took me back to mining BTC in the day (with my cpu). If POC coins  can come away from Hpool and its crazy mortgaging, or CHIA enterprise only coin, then i think i would more than compete with GPU mining.

I never said you have insert it wrong XD but when we discuss about how to insert a disc in the right way -> than we on the wrong way  
You have no proof. A disc can die, but you don´t know why. ok 10000 people mining chia without kill there hdd´s, but you say it kill and so it must be true? You don´t know how chia mining works -> if you know that -> you will see it can´t kill a hdd -> ok it can kill - like every other normal hdd reading/write cycle.
I have many discs that died while they done nothing!!!!! you heard about bad luck? you heard about faulty discs? how old are your hdd´s? You have 3 to 5 years guarantee -> so where is the problem? Are they older? Oh ok then it can die because of its age.

I don´t know everything, but i know some things and learn every day new stuff. But ok it is your opinion, go your way and i go my way -> with my 4 year old HDD´s mining 365 days a year without any fault

    You have nothing to apologize to me. The discs are inserted as correct. If they were placed faulty CrystalDiskInfo would report it to me immediately because I put it to constantly monitor the system. Also, the disks worked very little for me and only data was stored on them. I said that I only tried parcelling on the HDD and not that I was constantly parceling on it. I wanted to see what it looked like so I could see if it was worth a more serious investment. For you, opinion is the opposite of your spreading negative vibrations? You don’t understand why people do that? You do not understand because you think that only you know everything and everyone who thinks the opposite is not true. You are God, you know everything, sir, no one should say anything contrary to your infallible opinion. If I said they kill - then they kill and I will post pictures today as proof that they are killing. Maybe Chia didn't damage your HDD, but my did. And it’s not just me who’s noticed it but a number of other people as well. After only 4 damn plots I have damaged 2 extremely durable WD hard drives. The WD Enterprise HDD series is no joke so it is so easy to damage both.
If you are as positive as you present yourself, then let me know how to get the hard drives in order after parcelling and storing them. Maybe someone else knows how to do it. I formatted the HDD and tried regenerating with the HDD Regenerator, but Crystal Disk Info again reports the hard drives as damaged and occasionally freezes my computer. I had to take them both out. Now I can only throw them away.

The problem with this mining is completely different.
People are comparing prices for graphics cards and hard drives and power drain. Chia mining requires a powerful computer that is very expensive and fast NVMe SSDs.
You can make 10-20 plots per day, but how long will you process 100GB?

I just hope it will make enough to pay for electricity, because in the current state that will not be the case. If BTC was in a bubble then I don't know what to say for XCH...

i checked my discs every week lol  

You know how chia mining works? So if you know that, than you understand that chia doesn´t kill any HDD while mining. When your HDD died, than it have some other problems, nothing to do with mining chia  
And why you are using HDD for plotting?

I can´t understand why dudes spread bad vibes and have a knowledge like a rock. Sorry but you tried chia 1 time and then you have the knowledge to say -> yes Chia kills HDD´s?

However he can kill - he kills. To me, Chia killed 2 HDD WD Gold Enterprise. And I only tried one for plotting and the other for storing plots. You may also have damaged discs without knowing it. Check them out with the Crystal Disk Mark

Dozen of GOOD PoC Coins? Allright give me a list with REAL PoC coins that are still alive!!!!! XD I am waiting for your answer. By the way, Arweave is no PoC coin 

CHIA aint' fun, but its different, this is why I got into chia, some 4+ months ago, I can't buy GPU's, and I live in ASIA, so I wanted to expand my hobby, and I saw chia a new way to grow my crypto 'farm'

I would prefer GPUS as I can use them for sci computation, and lots of cool stuff, having 1000TB of disk-space, is not something I really can deploy.

I have no choice, I can't buy GPU's, and I will not pay $2,000 for a $200 rtx-3070, that's right last summer I was paying $200 for brand-new RTX-3070's here in ASIA, and now they're asking $2,000 USD. HELL NO

STOP talking about POOLS there is only one pool HPOOL, that got the lead, because its all a scam, the chia-dev in USA(SV) say solo-mine, in ASIA everybody uses HPOOL and has earned a ton of xch, the west has a big zero, you think this wasn't all planned.

The HPOOL sw is solid like  a rock, never seen a bug, the chia-net dev sw is shit, u think this wasn't all planned?

Bait&Switch folks.

All the paid influencers on YT, are paid by Western-Digital drives manufacturing and SAMSUNG, but guess what, all the drives on earth are made in ASIA.

The west has gotten the shaft, and the morons eat the feces of the YT influencers.

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I  bought lots of 16TB drives for $200 each months ago, today they're over $500, and 18tb drives are going for over $1k USD, so I'm not biting this bullshit, I'm done, in time I will re-deploy my plots to a better PoC coin, as I think chia is shit, and will implode.

bitcoinhd BitcoinHDBHD
burstcoin BurstCoinBURST
litecoinhd LitecoinHDLHD
diskcoin DiskcoinDISC
hddcash HDD.CashHDD
xrphd XRPHDXHD
mass MassMASS
chia ChiaXCH
arweave Arweave

Take you pic from the list above ( mining pool hdd ), chia has the highest price, but most of the stuff is abandoned projects, e.g. the code has been left to die on github. IMHO CHIA will fork, that will be the next great PoC coin, and it will be ran out of ASIA, and not the west, the west will stay for mr-bittorrent porn king; Asia will run with classic-chia, and SV will push chia-porn-plots

For the past two months chia space growth was 8% day, that's doubling every nine days, now its close to zero and hovering at 20EB (19.8EB)

HPOOL is real, the  chinese billionaire who owns HPOOL company, also owns the chia-net Inc, team in SV, all this is a scam, just like bitcoin-gold, some 5+ years ago, which was chinese owned, and ran out of 'ukraine' this time its ran out of SV, kept up for appearances. To the sophisticated chinese, its what we would call money-laundering. The chinese IOU process since begin of year took XCH to $1600, on a shit-coin that didn't even exist, at main-net 5may2021 the shit-ware wasn't even ready, it still doens't work.

There are a dozen GOOD PoC coins, and chia isn't one of them, ar-weave looks good, but all have this same problem, shitty development, stalled projects and general helplessness

Well there is no fair barometer, cuz CHIA price is dropping like a rock, and chia space is now stabilized at 20EB

I always use 200 plots, or 20TB as my ref, two weeks ago it was 1/2 xch/month, now it close to 500 plots to earn 1/2 xch/month

Today

/TiB Day
Expected daily farmed XCH per TiB.
0.0004 XCH

So your 14tb is 0.0056 xch, or $3.48 day

Problem is compared to what? ETH has lost 1/2 its ETH on the same rig in the past month, sure last month, on 200 plot ( 20tb ) I could earn $30/day, just like ETH my gtx-1070 rigs would earn $30/day, but now its   $10/day,

A 16tb hdd is now $500, but a rtx-3070 is $2,000 on ebay, so how do you compare? right now? Is 4 hdd's worth a rtx-3070?

four 16tb is 64tb at 0.0004 xch/day, that's $14/day, I get right now about $5/day on one rtx-3070,  but probably more like your $3, as its dropping so quick, for instance two weeks ago my rigs did 0.01 ETH/DAY, now they're doing 0.005ETH/day, 50% drop, just like with chia, cuz of EB growth you lost 1/2 every nine days ( 8% growth), but now chia growth is almost zero

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Lastly, maybe the OP was lost, my point is/was this fact that both HDD's and GPU's are being scammed to hell by scalpers, and paid YT influencers paid by western-digital  ( & all asian manufacturers ) are driving this crap

How many watts does a HD use?  14TB HD earns $3.40 right now.  If a HD uses 20 watts you could power 11 HD in place of a 3080. My farm is around 14,000 watts that is 700 HD $2,000  a day in rewards.  Rewards will continue to drop for this very reason.

Wow the growth has slowed down a lot then, I stopped checking some week ago. Right now its 26% since last week. The norm was 70+ % per week. It was like 200% or even more a few weeks in a row, once I saw the network space increase by one whole EiB on ONE single day. Could not help but check in every day for a while and be amazed lol. Never seen anything like it. Hope it stabilizes, but to jump in it for profit right now seems even riskier than buying gpus. Edit: ROI not gonna happen lol.

https://chiacalculator.com/ really gives suuch a bad prognosis if you put realistic numbers there and you are one of those I want to get rich quick guys.

Anyways I am still curious about chia because it is new and more fun compared to gpu mining, if you like building computers that is. I have a build ready to switch on when pools arrive... errm if they arrive, as you say, rules change and change. Perhaps pools arrive just in time for christmas and value has tanked because there has been such a shitshow with scammy pools stealing coins and people giving up because they can't get back investment if they don't join pools. I did not build my rig even expecting ROI, I had old computers laying around that could do plotting with just a bit more ram and a few more harddrives. So for me it is like switching my slower gpus to some shitcoin and hoping it will take off, if it won't, well then, at least I had some entertainment for a while.

A video card can mine hundreds or thousands of coins, and several coins can be mined on hard drives.
The hashrate of the CHIA grows by 10-20% per week and the profit of miners falls by the same amount.
Although, on the other hand, Ethereum will also stop being mined soon, so I don't know where it will be good after six months

Ok you do much wrong. How you kill a hdd with chia mining? I dual mine burst+bhd for 4 years and 0 - Zero - no hdd died. I mine Chia for 3 months now - no hdd died  i plot 80tb with 1 nvme and it is still alive. So in my opinion you choose the wrong hardware or do something else wrong. But you cry alot in the last weeks 
By the way you can mine chia on hpool and make a new deposit address.

Right now its comparable with mining ETH; Say right now for every 400 plots you can make $10/day, about the same as  +200MH rig of gpus, 1-2 weeks ago chia was $20/day, but so was ETH now its $10/day

Seems like all crypto is quickly less profitable this is not about price drop, as its the coin amount that has gone down, for instance +2 weeks ago my rigs did 0.01 ETH per day now its 0.005, nothing to do with price, the ETH just simply reduced miner fee's

WRT to chia the space growth has finally dropped from 8%/day to now 1%/day, but still not in decline.

Certainly if you don't have +500 plots your not in game, also lots of FUD right now with the 'portable plot' kluster-f*ck, the lies about pools, the new scam pools like chia-core, or just core-pool, as chia-net says nobody on earth can say 'chia seed' but them,

Well with GPU's your income comes & goes with miners moving around, but with chia, certainly space will continue to grow, first they said 'your plots are forever', now they say 'time to replot', this kills our nvme drives to re-plot, so certainly this scam will never end the rules will change by the hour, and when bram&hoffman are having their periods.

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Comparing GPU to HDD mining, well GPU mining doesn't kill your hw ( keep it clean, dry, dust free , and keep power/temp < 70C )

HDD mining kills NVME drives, kill HDD drives which constantly have to be 'tested' everything about HDD mining well at least the 'chia model' is destruction of drives so that manufacturers can sell more product, funny thing as most have already excluded warranty for HDD-mining, but paid for the practice, most CHIA influencers on YT are paid by WD, ... Just like NVIDIA there cards sell out, so they punish miners by down-grading MH, go figure 'do what we say, so we may then punish you', this is of course psychotic.

If you 'plot' ( make a plot file ) on a HDD, you will kill the drive, so we use NVME drives pcie-4x16, nearest cpu; If you plot with SSD-sata you will kill them, chia is an enterprise business, yet the influencers still say 'bring your old hw to be destroyed, and then buy new', whats a mother not to like about the biggest multi-billion USD tech-scam to come along?

Once you have a 'plot' ( 108gb file of binary crap ), then you store on a 7200rpm enterprise grade HDD, because the process of mining ( farming they call it ) also destroys drives as they must be stress tested often to validate 'signature' of the plot, in fact already on HPOOL ( largest & only real pool, based in china ), they have found 500PB ( PB 1E15, about 100xch/day )  of 'fake plots', which have been banned.

Early plotting showed that NVME's could be destroyed with as little as 25% of TWB, so your 5 yr warranty for $200 NVME is kaput in 2 weeks. To date +2 months of dabbling in Chia, I have killed 2 HDD's, and 2 NVME's, about $600 USD loss in hw, funny if you think about hw death, then this scam is really a loss, the only winner is the HD manufacturers. I say this because its difficult to earn more than $500/month as a chia plotter/farmer. The problem to date was at a 8%/day growth rate of space now 18.1EB ( EB-1E18 ), that if you make say 24 new plots a day, then every week you fall behind 2x, the only way you can stay even is to grow your plot-farm 8%/day, which means that you would need to double your number of NVME drives every 9 days. Of course this isn't possible, because you can only say have one-thread ripper class machine to two NVME's @pcie1x16, random access. Which means 16-48 plots per day, but to stay even, you would have to buy third-ripper ( 32core, 64gb ram ) class machines to stay even, and the SSD's for OS,

I think most people set a goal of 100 plots, 500 plots, or 1,000 plots and then just quit. The 1,000 plot ppl can enjoy $30/day, which is comparable to one mining rig last month, but the problem is EB will grow, expect 100EB, but 1,000EB is possible. Which means that even the data-center people will end up with no ROI, and millions of $$$'s of dead hardware, that cannot be resold as everybody knows that anything 'chia farmed' is DOA, KAPUT, and Moidered.