Concerning so called Climate change & Global warming

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Quote from: Iron Fist on September 06, 2021, 04:13:20 AM

Quote from: n0nce on September 05, 2021, 07:15:37 AM

Having precious metals scraped out of the earth by children to build ginormous Li-Ion batteries also has negative effects on the environment though.

So there is no real alternative then? Fossil fuels destroy the environment, and alternative sources cannot be used without batteries.
What do we have left? Back to the Stone Age? But wait, they also used fire in the Stone Age.

Yeah, to be brutally honest, current lifestyle is not really possible to uphold without destruction of the environment. Just driving an electric car solves nothing.

There has to be a massive reduction in the big co2 emitting activities like plane flights (which get cheaper and cheaper while burning tons of high grade fuel), meat and dairy consumption and shipping things across the globe all the time.

We need more local production, more transport by rail (hard to achieve in US due to terrain though but fine in Europe e.g.) and less plane travel just to name a few. It will really need to be a big lifestyle change for most to have a significant impact.
Just a few more trees downtown will NEVER cut it.

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Quote from: n0nce on September 05, 2021, 07:15:37 AM

Having precious metals scraped out of the earth by children to build ginormous Li-Ion batteries also has negative effects on the environment though.

So there is no real alternative then? Fossil fuels destroy the environment, and alternative sources cannot be used without batteries.
What do we have left? Back to the Stone Age? But wait, they also used fire in the Stone Age.

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Quote from: cabron on September 05, 2021, 04:23:49 AM

Planting more trees will help make more rains, science said so. It's all there is that we need to do for now. The world resources are getting thin there has to be an adjustment to follow if we are to believe things will get worse like limiting the number of kids for every family. Certain laws I guess have to be followed to ensure the future of the earth.

Yes, indeed. Having more trees in the public area will reduce global warming and I imagine that all countries do this at the same time and will punish people who break the rules. The earth is getting old and without awareness from us, our great-grandchildren will not have the experience to see many things like what we already have.

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Quote from: cabron on September 05, 2021, 04:23:49 AM

Planting more trees will help make more rains, science said so. It's all there is that we need to do for now. The world resources are getting thin there has to be an adjustment to follow if we are to believe things will get worse like limiting the number of kids for every family. Certain laws I guess have to be followed to ensure the future of the earth.

Planting trees doesn't work, because you'd have to plant millions of trees daily to neutralize the current world's CO2 emissions.
I'll see if I can find the calculations again but I looked it up a while ago.

Another issue with just plant sum more trees is that they eventually get old, die and then are burnt or used for stuff and will later be burnt. This means the CO2 goes right back into the atmosphere.

The only way to get the freaking carbon out of the atmosphere for good is to get it back into the ground. This happens only through huge rainforests, like the ones that existed even in Europe a lot of time ago, before they were chopped down.
The difference between tree plantations / forests and rainforests here is that people shouldn't be allowed to use the fallen trees or chop any trees, instead will need to let them rot and go into the ground, forming coal and oil again, over hundreds of years.

TL;DR: CO2 will need to be converted into oil under the ground again, basically.
And pumping out new oil from the ground and new coal and burning that stuff has to stop.

Having precious metals scraped out of the earth by children to build ginormous Li-Ion batteries also has negative effects on the environment though.

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Yep, is it mostly humans fault Climate change and Global warming. Its good to get funding on EU on data center business (wind and sunlight electricity). Hope its true someday.

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Planting more trees will help make more rains, science said so. It's all there is that we need to do for now. The world resources are getting thin there has to be an adjustment to follow if we are to believe things will get worse like limiting the number of kids for every family. Certain laws I guess have to be followed to ensure the future of the earth.

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Quote from: Iron Fist on September 05, 2021, 03:42:34 AM

Quote from: n0nce on September 04, 2021, 04:55:26 PM

Also, I'm wondering how you're religious, yet think we should fight climate change. Don't religious people believe that everything's 'fate' and 'predetermined' and that 'this is the end' so why even bother trying to fight climate change when it's the 'end time' that has been planned by a god and is impossible to prevent (since it's predetermined)?

Perhaps he's not religious? The CREATOR is a general term, it can have a variety of meanings.
Perhaps he believes that aliens are using the earth as a testing ground for their DNA manipulation experiments, or perhaps he believes that we exist in a virtual reality (Matrix-style)?

When someone talks about 'CREATOR' and 'approaching hell' I think of monotheist religions; I'm not an expert on all religions that exist though, maybe there are some that contain the idea of hell but not the idea of fate and predetermination.

Though if you believe aliens created the earth as an experiment, not very much unlike the mice in the 'Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy', in my opinion that's a religious belief in a way as well Wink

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Quote from: n0nce on September 04, 2021, 04:55:26 PM

Also, I'm wondering how you're religious, yet think we should fight climate change. Don't religious people believe that everything's 'fate' and 'predetermined' and that 'this is the end' so why even bother trying to fight climate change when it's the 'end time' that has been planned by a god and is impossible to prevent (since it's predetermined)?

Perhaps he's not religious? The CREATOR is a general term, it can have a variety of meanings.
Perhaps he believes that aliens are using the earth as a testing ground for their DNA manipulation experiments, or perhaps he believes that we exist in a virtual reality (Matrix-style)?

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Quote from: Ucy on September 03, 2021, 09:36:21 AM

Here is what you need to know, it's not what they say it is. It's not even close. Their theories and guessing is even worse than the blind men trying to describe what body parts of an elephant are: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant
Don't believe or trust the World, whether it's the doctrine of the so called left or right. Believe the Word of the CREATOR of this World. The World is approaching hell, so things are reacting on earth.

What you see happening around the world is reversible. It can easily be reverse right now once they surrender to their CREATOR. HIS Glorious Presence alone will make all living things rejoice and blossom. It will quickly calm the weather.

First of all, who is 'they'? There is no 'them' trying to deceive everybody in a huge conspiracy. It's just that all competent scientists across the globe who studied global warming, came to the same conclusion and it gets worse by the day, that's all...

Also, I'm wondering how you're religious, yet think we should fight climate change. Don't religious people believe that everything's 'fate' and 'predetermined' and that 'this is the end' so why even bother trying to fight climate change when it's the 'end time' that has been planned by a god and is impossible to prevent (since it's predetermined)?

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Quote from: Ucy on September 03, 2021, 09:36:21 AM

Here is what you need to know, it's not what they say it is. It's not even close. Their theories and guessing is even worse than the blind men trying to describe what body parts of an elephant are: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant
Don't believe or trust the World, whether it's the doctrine of the so called left or right. Believe the Word of the CREATOR of this World. The World is approaching hell, so things are reacting on earth.

What you see happening around the world is reversible. It can easily be reverse right now once they surrender to their CREATOR. HIS Glorious Presence alone will make all living things rejoice and blossom. It will quickly calm the weather.

The only way we can combat this is Climate change & Global warming is propagation and education, there are a lot of organizations and big personalities that are doing this but it's not enough we have to participate in the propagation and education and we can start on ourselves if we practice energy conservation and only suing recyclable materials, we should touch and make one a believer if every one of us can do that we can achieve it.

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How many years ago did AOC told the world it was over in 12 years? I guess everyone will forget again... forget... forget... and follow her on her next Delirium tremens?

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As a believer, I know of the same. And that's what I'm leaning to see. But we just can't turn everyone into a believer because they've already closed their minds into it.

With every natural disaster that's happening to the world including climate change, pandemic and others. It's been so long until people can even realize it.

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Here is what you need to know, it's not what they say it is. It's not even close. Their theories and guessing is even worse than the blind men trying to describe what body parts of an elephant are: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant
Don't believe or trust the World, whether it's the doctrine of the so called left or right. Believe the Word of the CREATOR of this World. The World is approaching hell, so things are reacting on earth.

What you see happening around the world is reversible. It can easily be reverse right now once they surrender to their CREATOR. HIS Glorious Presence alone will make all living things rejoice and blossom. It will quickly calm the weather.

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