Topic: Concerns on new covid variants. (Read 322 times)

Vaccines against SARS II create antibodies and long-lasting memory on your immune system against this virus. They don't avoid contagious and infection.

If a vaccinated person lost his antibodies because he took the shoots many months ago, his immune system still recognizes the virus and starts immediately creating new antibodies and attacking it.

During this time he gets some symptoms and can infect other people.

But if he has a strong immunity system, he controls the situation and ends the virus quickly.

If the person has a weak immunity system, he can still have problems or even die.

Without the vaccines this would happen to millions of people instead of just a few.

"I come here for my booster shot, because my fully vaccinated friends and acquaintances are dying like flies from lung covid after vaccination.
https://twitter.com/Symph0ny3/status/1469583083162718213
Da f*ck

I happen to be looking at evidence which is why I provided the study for scrutiny. If you want to attack the study, you can.

I didn't say Covid doesn't exist, nor am I saying Omicron doesn't exist. That would be your inability to read so I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. I am saying the danger of Omicron doesn't exist, evident by <10 deaths globally.

Any polled epidemiologist will say Covid is endemic, so the idea of preventing variants or eliminating Covid completely is unrealistic. Which is why it's in the interest of anyone with half a brain remaining to stop fear mongering from public health officials every time a new variant is discovered. The entirety of the crypto market dipped upon the announcement of Omicron. To think these health experts don't have real power is rather foolish. If they can cause entire shockwaves through financial markets without presenting data of true danger, they should not be trusted.


Yes, this is obvious. A variant is merely just a change in the RNA sequence that composes the coronavirus. The doctors in South Africa themselves announced the new variant, but also cautioned that there wasn't enough data available to draw conclusions. Did that stop the crypto markets from tanking? Did that stop health "experts" from pushing blatant misinformation on the dangers of Omicron despite not having any available data? Nope.



I'm confused that this is the conclusion you've made from my comment.

<10 Omicron deaths world wide, and a study from South Africa illustrating an evasion from the vaccines somehow proves I don't believe the virus exists? No, franky.

the evidence is there. but ignorance to avoid looking is the flaw of the people that ask fro it but refrain from looking for it. thus pretend it doesnt exist because they failed to look and so didnt see anything.

here is the thing. there are many many more variants then you think. there are not just the 4 main ones alpha beta delta omicron.. there are LOADS in between. each being identified at the rna sequence level. each compared to others to see the differences.
scientists dont shout "jackpot" every time they see a new variant. they only start getting excited and fidgety when there are variants that differ significantly from previous ones of previous significance.

you can find hundreds of reports on the sequence and the isolation methods including contact details of those involved that can explain more.

seems gyft has been brainwashed into the same conspiracy script badecker has been pushing for the last year and a half.

if gyft really thinks there is no 'proof' of viruses and no proof of variants of significance. thus thinking there should be no need to aire on the side of caution. then dannnngggg! gyft has fallen deep down the idiot hole

Couldn't have said it better, really nothing to add here.

@Tash, maybe you are not quite up to date. Hopefully this gets you back on track. Enjoy.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-pcr-idUSKBN24420X

Study shows Omicron variant breaking through booster shots - https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/small-safrica-patient-study-shows-omicron-breaking-through-booster-shots-2021-12-16/

If you'll recall, the so called "health experts" renewed their calls for vaccinations and boosters when the omicron variant was originally announced in South Africa.

Without knowing the virulence of omicron, nor without understanding the immune protection generated from the vaccines in relation to omicron, the health "experts" advocated that everyone get vaccinated and take a booster. Turns out, it may have been all for nothing.

Common sense tells you to wait for the data before panicking over the new variant, but not for the health experts. The good news is, <10 deaths reported world wide of omicron. It is nothing but a mild cold. So the need to get vaccinated over omicron is nonexistent.

Yes, that wouldn't surprise me at all, it's just that I've not seen anyone really claiming this, and I've not seen any evidence for it - although obviously finding evidence for the absence of sufficient reporting can be problematic. It might also be that people are wary of suggesting poor reporting from Africa in case they are accused of racism.



If a doctor can't grasp that the concept of evolution through natural selection also applies to viruses, then they are incapable of rational thought, and so deserve to lose their license.
And anyone who feels that the vaccine roll-out or a requirement to wear face masks during a pandemic is equivalent to the Third Reich is either unaware of Godwin's Law, or is trolling. Or is a bit simple - but of course we discount that possibility.

In Europe lots of doctors lost license for speaking out and telling the truth. Welcome to nazi v2. To this day the test can not differentiate between flu, common cold or sars-cov-2. As a matter of fact the inventor clearly stated several times finding a virus is not what a PCR test can do, that is not what the invetion is for. Doing so is a clear case of fraud.

Interesting and plausible interpretation you are offering here, but I would like to chime in that academics from the US, Germany and UK seem to agree that the reporting in Africa is indeed not as developed and precise as in some of the Western nations. I admittedly don't have an official source to quote here, but I think I saw in an interview with the German and the UK minister of health that they along with the US health minister deem the reporting in Africa in sufficient. They still do rely on academic studies from Africa, but the daily reporting is said to lack the administrative infrastructure in order to deliver an accurate overview of the overall situation regarding Covid infections.

If you are quoting ourworldindata, then does that mean you trust evidence from this site now?   But it is nice to see you posting proper figures, anyway.

Africa certainly does appear to have a lower death rate from CV19 than more developed (and, yes, more highly vaccinated) nations in the EU or North America. And whilst we might suspect under-reporting due to the fact that these are generally developing nations, AFAIK there is no evidence that's the case.

However, there are many factors to consider here. One important consideration, for example, is the age profile of African nations... they tend to have a vastly higher percentage of young people, and very few elderly people in comparison to EU/North America. We know that on average severity of CV19 increases with age. On a related note, it's not just that overall deaths per million people is lower, it's also true that there are fewer fatalities in relation to number of cases... i.e., an African who does catch CV19 is less likely to die than a European who catches it. Again, suggesting the differing age profiles.

What the chart you've shared does not suggest is any relation to vaccination... because the pattern of lower deaths in Africa has been apparent from early 2020, well before the vaccines were available.

Covid is about 3 years old now and i think any vaccine out there in the global space should be thoroughly scrutinized, we can't afford to continually shot the world down for any new variant discovered because we loose people, money and time

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1470387150936059910

New Covid cases primarily effecting vaccinated individuals.

Both in VAXXED and UNVAXXED groups, infection is not extreme. Mild or asymptomatic at most, resulting virtually no deaths. IIRC one death in the UK, but no deaths in South Africa where this all started.

It seems the vaccines are not as robust with Omicron, but how does the immunity stack up against the delta variant, which make up 90 percent of cases?

If Omicron provides ample protection, then it is in the interest of everyone to get infected with Omicron, vaxxed or not, for complete and total protection against deadlier Covid variants.

If the trade for heightened immunity is a mild cold, it's a good trade.

When lord Fauci strikes down hard
https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/1470455120513142792?s=20

Sure it has, Africa has less then 10% vaccinated India not much more.

If I'm not mistaken, virus mutation is a normal evolving process, while it becomes evident that the newer strains are more contagious, it also becomes less deadlier than the original virus. However, that doesn't mean that we should ignore their severity. Vaccines are effective, and it has already been proven by multiple studies and statistics. On top of that, the new Omicron variant derived from an area with very little vaccinations, and dense population, it was bound to happen.

The booster shots, as franky1 said, are meant to enhance the vaccine's efficacy, since the virus has already mutated plenty of times since the beginning of the pandemic.

vaccines are not a forcefield shield bubble that prevents infection. it is a way to teach body how to fight and stop an infection accellorating out of control

people will still get infected but if their body handles it quick, then it cannot incubate much to cause severe symptoms or then much more replicated viri out to then infect others

think of simple math

if a unvaccinated person is exhaling 1 billion viri every breath and the next person can only handle 200billion before their body cant cope asymptomatically. then that means only being near an unvaccinated person for 10 minutes before the next unvaccinated person is going to have symptoms.

however if the first person was vaccinated. he would be only exhaling 50mill per breath. meaning the next person can be near him for  200minutes(3 hours 20 minutes) before risk having a symptomatic infection
then ontop of this if the second person was vaccinated he can then cope with 4trillion viri before risking symptoms, meaning he can spend 2 days, 16hour, 40 minutes before risking symptoms

ontop of this. by being vaccinated your body fights off the virus far sooner, instead of waiting for symptoms so instead of day 5 trigger, it begins on day 1. and so could be dealt with if viral load was low enough within 1-3 days asymptomatically instead of 5-14 days symptomatically

thus if everyone was vaccinated then very high majority of people will just pass it around asymptomatically and only a very small minority would get symptoms.

but because there are many idiots that refuse to get vaccinated, and thus them becoming the high viral load incubators, the next best option is to help decrease what is being breathed out by wearing masks and socially distancing to reduce how much virus gets into the lungs of others

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as for the effectiveness of vaccine
over time if your body is not under constant inhalation of a virus, it dissipates how much active ready for battle immuno cells are in your body at any time. so there are less 'soldiers' waiting to defend. if enough time passes without a battle the amount of battleplans(blueprints) for the design of training dissipates too

booster shots are like a dress rehersal battle/ training battles. but safer because its in the arm not the lung. and so you wont get lung infection and suffocate if the battle is lost or takes too long.

these booster shots keep your 'soldiers' on guard and alert, they keep the body producing more 'soldier's instead of letting your body recall the troops.

the more troops you have ready to battle. the faster the battle can be won

if its been over 6 months since you had second vaccine or covid. best to get a booster to re-alart your troops and train more.

as for choice of vaccine or covid to be used as a "troop" training.. its obviously better to get a vaccine in the arm rather then covid in the lung. thats just basic biology of risk/safety

so you can chose a bit of arm irritation. or lung irritation. im choosing arm irritation

That being said, vaccines help in preventing infected people to experience severe conditions, but do not guarantee full protection from getting infected from Covid-19 variants. Honestly speaking, I don’t think that the world will become better anymore, in relation to the state of pandemic. It has been stated by many leaders and it can even be read from the Bible, the worse is yet to come. Not to be pessimistic here, but it’s a harsh reality and it unfortunately it does makes a lot of sense.

Booster Shots Fail To Keep Seven Triple-Vaccinated Germans From Contracting Omicron Variant
https://nationalfile.com/booster-shots-fail-keep-seven-triple-vaccinated-germans-contracting-omicron-variant-south-africa/

I agree with your opinion that vaccine is helping to reduce severity in case you get infected by covid-19 or its variant , also helps to avoid hospitalization but as new variants keep coming in and they make vaccine ineffective so the best way to end this pandemic is medicine which can be taken orally to treat covid-19 like antibiotics medicines do. Pfizer Pharmaceutical has already made huge progress in this direction  and introduced medicine which is under clinical trials.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizers-novel-covid-19-oral-antiviral-treatment-candidate

Your 5th booster just expired.....
https://youtu.be/s6NPpO4gbeU

With a new so-called variant like this, it's only a matter of time before it reaches our corrupted city where they will gonna act swiftly because it involves more money. Once again just like the Delta variant, I smell another lockdown and a strict curfew. When money is involved, our government is active and doesn't really care about their people except for a few who chooses to stay just. I thought it already ended when we moved on from the Delta variant. I wonder when they will conclude this rubbish.

Disease breakout is real but comes with many menace, some are natural while some are induced. The induced ones are the major challenges.
The vaccines are highly politicised in some countries. While some countries under report the number of the affected to avoid some kinds of restrictions. Others over report to attract some kind of financial helps from international communities for their individual gains.

Be careful new variant arrived

The WHO said there was "preliminary evidence" showing that the Omricron variant carries a higher risk of re-infection for people who have previously been infected.
This indirectly indicates that the vaccine that has been given previously will not be effective in preventing this new variant of the covid virus because the antibodies that have specifically detected the omricron variant are not able to protect the body from further attacks.
But I'm sure in the future there will be a solution to this problem, let the researchers work hard to find it. Now all we can do is take preventive measures for the transmission of the new virus by complying with health protocols.

My understanding is that the new strain of covid is going to become the dominant strain.  This is a good thing because it is even less lethal than the other strains of covid.  The explanation I heard from someone educated on these matters is that this strain of covid will likely outcompete the others and weed them out in a sense.  This is especially good news for the unvaccinated, as vaccines are showing to not be very effective against this new strain anyway.  If you've been on the fence about whether or not you should give in and get the vaccine, I think now you finally have some good news that this pandemic is getting better the only way it ever could have, naturally with time.

Getting vaccinated doesn't guarantee that you are 100% immune to that disease. These are just preventive measurements against it. As for this new variant, yes it's way more dangerous than the previous one.
The variant was first detected in Botswana and contains a high number of mutations associated with increased immune evasion.
We cannot reach any particular solution yet that the corona vaccines would be effective against this new variant. But we should be more concerned about it. Remember, Prevention is better than cure.

I wasn't aware that anyone had said it was more lethal. Everything I've read suggests that it is a variant of concern because of the types of mutations involved, and the fact that case numbers appear to be escalating rapidly. Early anecdotal evidence suggests that transmissibility might be higher, but symptoms may be milder. But we certainly don't know for sure yet. Similarly there is no evidence yet, as far as I'm aware, that it can evade the vaccines. But it's a variant that might potentially be troublesome, and so it's being investigated.

Having said that, I do stay aware from the more hysterical new sources, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if the usual outlets were screaming about the end of the world, just to generate some interest.

Obviously someone screwed up bad, Omnicron a half year ahead of schedule. Good news in a couple of months the covid attack is over and done with.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57611810
Congrats to everyone who used his brain and survived the chemical weapon attack. (graphene (hydr)oxide)

Ksi (Xi) well let's skip that one https://youtu.be/qczfMc2JS8E Qatar study no deaths natural immunitiy with reinfections.

The more shots the greather the damage
https://thecovidworld.com/another-fully-vaccinated-footballer-collapses-during-match-public-calls-for-investigation/
Failed the IQ test
https://thecovidworld.com/margarita-zikou-48-year-old-aspiring-greek-politician-dies-suddenly-from-heart-problems-months-after-praising-covid-vaccines/

When holes just get deeper and deeper......  WEF

I doubt we'll see the end of the pandemic any time soon. Regardless of whether the response curbed the spread of the disease, it was a resounding success as far as incresing government authority, transfering wealth away from the middle class, and making people distrustful of one another is concerned. Do you think the people who control the media have nothing left to gain from stretching this thing out indefinitely?

There is no real concern about the variant because we see no evidence that this variant is anymore deadly than previous variants. For all the talk of the delta variant being the end of human civilization, it seemingly wasn't more deadly. And with most viruses decreasing in lethality over time, why worry? As with most things, the announcement of the new variant was almost like a Hollywood showing, where the "experts" were boisterous about revealing the latest and greatest variant. The media, as per their usual task, push fear amongst the unsuspecting population.

None of these geniuses want to ask the real questions -- where is the data that this variant is anymore lethal than previous variants. The answer is that data is nonexistent.

the feeling I have is that this pandemic will only end when have some medicine that can cure people who are infected, vaccines are welcome and are doing their role well, but from what I see only a vaccine or pill capable of curing people after being infected will be the salvation to eradicate this virus

You like 'scamdemic' better?  I'll not call it a 'pandemic' for the simple reason that it is not.  And never was.

I would not say that you have 'Stockholm Syndrome' because in the case of Stockholm the captives didn't start out loving their captors.  That only happened over a period of abuse.  In your case you were born the perfect lap-dog for TPTB and will almost certainly die that way too.  It is what it is.

What afflicts you seems be be something psychologically closer to 'Battered Wife Syndrome' where 'the leaders only beat you because they love you.'  Intellectually I know the phenomenon exists, but it's hard for me to get my mind around how someone could be repeatedly kicked in the balls ('two weeks to flatten the curve', 'vaccines to get the masks off', etc, etc) and with each kick the love and devotion becomes stronger.

Interestingly when some doomsday cult leader sets a date for the end of the world and it comes and passes, the cultists actually see it as a sign of His greatness and support grows even stronger.  At least the first time.  We see that happening with Dr. Fausti and his cultists, and with the climate change scammers and their cultists.  The two 'schools' are supported by the same money, have the same goals, and largely share cult members so they are actually not two schools at all.  More like two acts in the same fascist play.

That's the Beta variant, not Omicron.
They're allowed more than one variant per country, you know. FFS.

This thing really is falling apart. Article from February talking about the South African variant.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210212194649/https://www.npr.org/2021/02/09/965703047/vaccines-could-drive-the-evolution-of-more-covid-19-mutants?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Viruses evolve, like anything else. The more cases of Covid there are, the more new variants will emerge. Some may have mutations that mean the current generation of vaccines don't work quite so well. The main issue is that there are still large clusters of unvaccinated people, partly the anti-vaxxer crowd in developed nations, but more importantly in the global south, where vaccines are difficult to come by and vaccination levels very low. This is why there has been a push from some people in developed nations to share the vaccines more equitably with poorer nations. The developed nations have largely failed to do this, which means Covid continues to circulate at high levels in poorer nations, which in turn means the virus has more chance to mutate into viable new variants. It's no coincidence that the new Omicron variant arose in unvaccinated South Africa.

The encouraging news is that the hardest work has already been done - the creation of the initial vaccines. It will be relatively quick to modify these to counter Omicron, if necessary. But so long as there are large unvaccinated areas, we can expect new variants to arise quite frequently.



I've met certain people before who, when you attempt to engage them in a political discussion, respond in stock words, phrases and cliches. You realise that they are not thinking, but simply regurgitating some breathless tabloid/clickbait headline they've read somewhere. The best course of action when encountering these people is to simply move on; you're unlikely to be able to cause them to question their own opinions, because they don't actually have their own opinions. Nevertheless, their repeated use of certain keywords is a useful flag, by which they can be identified.

Well then Franky1, super-healer and science man extraordinaire, you better get in touch with the CDC ASAP and correct them:

  https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/symptoms-testing/symptoms.html


The cool thing is that a doctor can diagnose 'covid' with just a couple of these and no test, then his/her hospital can start raking in the big covid bucks.  At least whenever Bill Gates orders up a another 'wave' and they need to make their quota for dutiful regurgitation in the 'news.'

are you that ignorant

its been 21 months and you still have not even learned the most basic thing
symptoms of covid is not a stuffy nose

a stuffy nose is your IMMUNE RESPONSE noticing a pathogen at the entry way and trying to clear it out
covid does not trigger a stuffy nose. hense why its not like common cold/flu

will you please try learning about covid and stop learning about how to join conspiracy cults

Vaccines protects currently for infection effectively 2+ months and from getting seriously ill 5+ months, no longer, boosters are needed, and vaccines doesn't protect 100% sure. Anyway, they will give few months of quite good protection, and leave 2nd level protection longer. However, I think, unfortunately, covid is going to be with us quite a few years, and circulates eventually yearly like influenza versions.

12 people in Africa got a stuffy nose and sore throat.  Time to shut the world down again and tweak the designer genetics to transfect the herd with.  If there is anything more to it then nobody has yet found it and demonstrated anything.

Seems that the only special thing about 'omicron' is that it was around at an opportune time when TPTB wanted to shift to the next scripted phase of the plandemic.

New concern - With the discovery of new variants of Covid from the "Delta variant" to now "Omicron" which is another deadly variant forcing countries like Japan and Israel to now impose new travel restrictions, I'm beginning to wonder if this pandemic is ever going to end. As for the persons who have been vaccinated, are they completely free from the threat of Covid and whatever new variant that will emerge, or more vaccine jabs will be needed?