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February 02, 2024, 01:51:51 AM
#57
It's called "insider gambling" when someone bets on a sport with inside information that gives them an unfair advantage. It could be secret details about a player's health or their game plan. There is public information out there, but using private information in a dishonest way could hurt the game's reputation. Steps and bans from the law may happen.
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February 01, 2024, 07:45:46 AM
#56
I'll simplify. Talking about "insider gambling," is unclear. Access to information the average Joe doesnt has is key. Many team details are online, but the last-minute details? That's gamblers' gold dust, not always available.

However, officials, players, and coaches may know about a player's injury before its public. Using that information to gamble is unfair. Online content isnt everything - timing and exclusivity are. They employ bookmakers or internet platforms to place their bets, blending in with the betting crowd.

Fun gambling is fine, but fairness is essential. Insider gaming skews odds and spoils fun for others. Knowing the ending of a movie before everyone else takes away the suspense, right? I support gambling, but it must be fair and to preserve the game's integrity.
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February 01, 2024, 04:36:00 AM
#55
As far as I know insider gambling is hard to understand but its information is always secret for insider betting. If a problem occurs while betting on sports matches everyone bets internally to minimize the risk. In my opinion it is not uncommon for betting on matches where one team wins and the other loses and sometimes the reverse happens. If there is any injury in the field of sports they are usually seen by everyone and the reports are given on various sites.
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January 31, 2024, 10:04:08 PM
#54
Actually, I don't really understand the concept of Insider Gambling in this case, but let me speak according to my knowledge, as far as I know, insiders might be able to know more information about things that other people don't know, making it easier for them to place bets that have a better chance of winning big, but as far as I know, information about players who are injured and absent during the match is usually already circulating on social media so it is difficult to hide this information. Moreover, before placing a bet, bettors usually do an analysis first before placing a bet and find out who the players will be was revealed when making its debut so that bettors can be careful when betting.

Insider gambling can be said to be an arrangement, usually a collaboration between the team and the bookie himself so that he can gets a commission from his gambling winnings, this could be said to be cheating, but it usually occurs in small league, therefore, when you decide to bet on something that is not a big competition, it is best to think first about the risky.
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January 31, 2024, 06:05:00 PM
#53
Could someone please clarify the concept of insider gambling for me? I came across this term on this website, and it's a bit confusing. According to the information I found

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In football, insider trading could involve a player, coach, or other official using confidential information, such as team news, injuries, or other details about the match, to place bets on the outcome of the game. This could potentially give them an unfair advantage and compromise the integrity of the game.

Aren't team news, injuries, and other match details usually openly available on the internet and through sports bookies for gamblers to use when placing bets?. Also, do these officials typically place their bets through sports bookies or among themselves?

 

The term "Insider" should've been a dead giveaway for you since you're out here thinking they're talking about information that's already known across the internet. Insider gambling involves the use of insider information either deliberately or without the consent of the people you're trying to gain information from. That includes spying for secrets in their abilities and team setups for certain sports like basketball, what diet regimen their players use to be in tip-top shape so you can match it with your team's, negative backgrounds you can use to undermine their chances of being chosen to play in lineups, and more. Anything that you can get from a team either against their will or not so long as it gives you an unfair advantage compared to people who do not know about it will be counted as insider gambling. And I don't need to further explain why this is illegal and debilitating in terms of upholding the integrity of a certain game. We got people tarnishing the quality of the games by putting their personal interests over anything else. This could also snowball into match fixing since if you're that close to know some of their secrets you probably have some connections within that give you that opportunity, if that's the case then you can leverage this advantage to your favor and tempt people into playing in your favor with money. This has happened in the past and has killed so many leagues across the planet.
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January 31, 2024, 05:50:51 PM
#52
Aren't team news, injuries, and other match details usually openly available on the internet and through sports bookies for gamblers to use when placing bets?.

Not always, but even if they are announced to the public, it won't happen immediately. So if you have insider information, you'd always have some time before the information gets released and before oddsmakers factor it in. With instant, online betting available, you only need a few minutes to take advantage of it.

Also, do these officials typically place their bets through sports bookies or among themselves?

How would they bet among themselves? Almost certainly they would be using sports bookies, but maybe instead of placing bets in their own name, they'd do it using either family member or a friend etc.
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January 31, 2024, 05:40:24 PM
#51
Aren't team news, injuries, and other match details usually openly available on the internet and through sports bookies for gamblers to use when placing bets?. Also, do these officials typically place their bets through sports bookies or among themselves?

Crap like that mostly happened in some minor local leagues. Big leagues will not ruin their reputation on that.

Even with inside information regardless of legit or not, if the match is not listed on bookies, then it's useless. I'm also sure that inside information is not a bargain sale where everyone will have access to it.  If a random stranger approaches us, or someone out of the blue offers something about that, of course with required payment, should not be entertained at any cost.
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January 31, 2024, 05:32:47 PM
#50
This is mostly happening in smaller leagues nowadays. But if there are still players, coaches, staff and bettors that are involved with this on the bigger leagues, they know what's coming to them if they keep on doing that. It's more of having the idea on what these players are going to do if they're going to make their games lose or win. That's really happening before when there's not that much of the exposure through social medias.

But now, many are aware that this shouldn't be done but I think that you'll still see this with smaller leagues where the players can do such for money. They're professionals but with offers of sums of money, they can make mistakes intentionally to make their team lose. Even in esports today, this is very common when the players aren't known and their games are on the bookies, they bet with it and that's why it's called 322 as part of their history.
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January 31, 2024, 05:26:11 PM
#49
I still do not understand what they mean by that but during matches the injuries are openly displayed for people to know how then they said insider or is there anything we don't understand here. Well most times these are the reasons why I love live matches because you can either bet on first half or second half, there are no much rules applicable rather the games are very risky because you could see a particular team that playing against the other but it would surprised to see that the opposite would win.
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January 31, 2024, 05:20:47 PM
#48
I think this is something weird so its hard to tell illegal or against ethics. Normally information is the most important data you need while placing a bet on sports. Seeking publicly available information is what many sport's bettors always do. Noone would mind them doing this. But when data is very confidential but only handful of people know, its extraordinary advantage. I am pretty many different information of teams or players leak everyday through club workers and mediamen.
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January 31, 2024, 05:19:34 PM
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Aren't team news, injuries, and other match details usually openly available on the internet and through sports bookies for gamblers to use when placing bets?. Also, do these officials typically place their bets through sports bookies or among themselves?

Some information is available to everyone and some are not. The word "insider" says everything we need to know, someone knows much more than what is written in official announcements. Often such information can be crucial in deciding odds and in the outcome of the game itself. Why are athletes banned from betting on their games? One of the reasons is because they know a lot. Just imagine a player who knows other players, does someone owe someone a lot of money or a favor, is someone in a very bad state because of anything... Nice reading about it:
https://www.gosubetting.com/blog/betting-news/hockey-lessons-learnt-from-shane-pintos-suspension/

Insiders can't place bets by themselves, they risk a lot if they get exposed. They can be fined and banned from playing a sport for years, or even forever.


It wont be called as insider if it was been known publicly and yes these things could really that happen on which there would really be informations on which it isnt really that been exposed out.
We arent that blind that there are really those games which are really that fixed and there are really those insider gambling that could happen on which it this had been known already if we do talk about probabilities and other things. We do know that these information wont surfaced out easily and its not that first time that there would really be those insider information which some people been caught that being that related into such thing but they do know that it is risky. Once get caught then you would be ending up on sanctioned or suspension.
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January 31, 2024, 05:08:29 PM
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The soccer betting was made on the perspective of the player involved in the game.But the fact is many players game will change on the particular day because of their health issue.So the gamblers who have experienced in the soccer can use the soccer as betting or else the better option will be the casino in the gambling site.The gamblers who able to make the correct betting can make the huge money as returns from the gambling.The gamblers should build their own gambling structures of betting,it will help the gamblers to make huge profits.The gamblers who want to make money should ready to make money from the betting by their structure of betting.

When it comes to football betting, there are multiple factors to consider, including the health condition of the players which can fluctuate on the day of the match. Seasoned gamblers often rely on their football expertise to make better-informed betting choices. Nevertheless, it is important to acknowledge that gambling is always accompanied by risk and there are no assurances of making a profit. While having knowledge about soccer can be advantageous, one must remember that unpredictable elements always exist in the realm of sports.

Creating a strong and steady betting framework is a smart decision. This encompasses effective risk control, establishing financial boundaries, and developing a profound comprehension of the selected betting arena. While certain individuals may find casinos on gambling platforms appealing, it is crucial to bear in mind that gambling perpetually entails an inherent aspect of uncertainty.

Not only is it important to consider the risks involved, but also to focus on the potential profits. Therefore, gamblers who want to be successful must engage themselves wisely, make betting decisions accompanied by in-depth analysis, and always be prepared with a good risk management strategy.
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January 31, 2024, 02:58:43 PM
#45
If what the gambler is pursuing is profit, then that person will continue to try to win as much as possible, whatever the means, including by cheating. However, in my personal view, I see that insider games are more often carried out by irresponsible casino bookies, and they do this simply to increase profits for the casino, where they collaborate with insiders/organizers of certain football matches. To manipulate the final result, this is done so that many bettors experience defeat. And of course this is an illegal act, which can damage the reputation of a casino, the reputation of a particular football league and can harm many people. For a legitimate and ethical casino, it must operate with honesty and transparency.
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January 31, 2024, 02:47:40 PM
#44
Aren't team news, injuries, and other match details usually openly available on the internet and through sports bookies for gamblers to use when placing bets?. Also, do these officials typically place their bets through sports bookies or among themselves?
First of all I would like to say that after all kinds of predictions at the end of day, gambling is all about to luck. Even then sometimes proper predictions and analysis can boost the winning probability. I don't know that the are the official take they illegal benefits from their power, but if they do that then it doesn't seems good to my eyes.
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January 31, 2024, 02:39:09 PM
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Could someone please clarify the concept of insider gambling for me? I came across this term on this website, and it's a bit confusing. According to the information I found

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In football, insider trading could involve a player, coach, or other official using confidential information, such as team news, injuries, or other details about the match, to place bets on the outcome of the game. This could potentially give them an unfair advantage and compromise the integrity of the game.

Aren't team news, injuries, and other match details usually openly available on the internet and through sports bookies for gamblers to use when placing bets?. Also, do these officials typically place their bets through sports bookies or among themselves?

So like this, I will take the example of Bayern Munich when it was still handled by Nagelsmann. If I'm not mistaken, in that season Munich played an away match against Leverkusen. according to rumors circulating, Nagelsmann said that there was an insider who leaked their strategy when facing the match against Leverkusen. in the end, Bayern lost with a score of 2-1. and if this is true, it is clear that actions like this really violate the rules of a team, club, and could even be called selling information.
Let's flashback first, the situation at that time was that the relationship between Nagelamsnn and several players plus Munich officials was not harmonious.

Well, apart from that, things like this can be a reference for your question. There are also many other examples, if we expand further, the quote you posted could be linked to misuse by parties who deliberately leak confidential information. for example, the club informs the media crew that its main players or pure strikers are not playing because they still have to make some recovery. But in reality, this strategy could be a ploy to get the opposing team to change its patterns and systems. but because information leaks out, or insiders sell information to opposing teams. At least, the opposing team can anticipate in advance the tactics they will use and implement later.

Well, regarding the last point you said. in fact, team news and player injuries, which we can get on the internet, do not guarantee 100% validity. That's why, we need careful research and analysis if we want to involve betting. well, something like that in my opinion. If what I said is wrong, please correct it.
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January 31, 2024, 02:18:13 PM
#42
Aren't team news, injuries, and other match details usually openly available on the internet and through sports bookies for gamblers to use when placing bets?. Also, do these officials typically place their bets through sports bookies or among themselves?

Some information is available to everyone and some are not. The word "insider" says everything we need to know, someone knows much more than what is written in official announcements. Often such information can be crucial in deciding odds and in the outcome of the game itself. Why are athletes banned from betting on their games? One of the reasons is because they know a lot. Just imagine a player who knows other players, does someone owe someone a lot of money or a favor, is someone in a very bad state because of anything... Nice reading about it:
https://www.gosubetting.com/blog/betting-news/hockey-lessons-learnt-from-shane-pintos-suspension/

Insiders can't place bets by themselves, they risk a lot if they get exposed. They can be fined and banned from playing a sport for years, or even forever.

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January 31, 2024, 02:02:43 PM
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what I know is this is a kind of manipulation but it often happens in local sports matches or small leagues like in my area, usually insider gambling often occurs when officials try to bet through other channels and the team that looks like they are winning can surprisingly lose in the last minute and this is usually called a surprise for bettors but actually in small leagues this often happens in the area where I live so that officials or rich people usually discuss other channels with bookmaker and arrange ways to win bets and this will benefit the bookmaker and officials.
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January 31, 2024, 02:01:19 PM
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Aren't team news, injuries, and other match details usually openly available on the internet and through sports bookies for gamblers to use when placing bets?. Also, do these officials typically place their bets through sports bookies or among themselves?

Many things aren't public, for instance something as trivial as key player performance during training sessions. They may not be injured but simply out of shape. It happens and the people close to the team will know about it before the match. As a coach you know if your team has a chance or not, especially when facing a better opponent.

There's also tactics. This is given to the team before the match and plays key role things like World Cup groups. You need a certain number of points to leave the group and when facing a stronger team the coach may tell the team to play on the defensive, so that you get a draw. Knowing the tactics you can bet on it, for instance that the team will not score at all and you know they won't even try. You can even bet on individual players that they wont score, or that they won't score in the first half.
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January 31, 2024, 01:20:04 PM
#39
Like you, at first I also didn't quite understand what you were asking, but after I read some of the comments in your post and I tried to look for further information, my thinking opened up a little about what you were asking.

However, when talking about soccer betting, the practice of soccer betting often involves the role of insiders in being able to manipulate match results or gain unfair advantages, or in other words, by using cheating. and this is better known as match fixing or match fixing. which is an illegal act and violates ethics in sports. And not infrequently some forms of match outcome fixing, this can involve players, coaches, referees or managers and match officials, where they work together to manipulate match results for financial gain. And of course, dirty practices like this, apart from being detrimental to the people who bet on them, can also harm the integrity of the football community and can give rise to public distrust of competitions which are supposed to be conducted fairly and in a sporting manner.

The soccer betting was made on the perspective of the player involved in the game.But the fact is many players game will change on the particular day because of their health issue.So the gamblers who have experienced in the soccer can use the soccer as betting or else the better option will be the casino in the gambling site.The gamblers who able to make the correct betting can make the huge money as returns from the gambling.The gamblers should build their own gambling structures of betting,it will help the gamblers to make huge profits.The gamblers who want to make money should ready to make money from the betting by their structure of betting.
Actually, if we look at it simply, we only need to see some favorable odds as one of the good strategies in sportsbook, especially in soccer because after all, when we are in soccer betting, we certainly know that we already have data and benchmarks of the performance of the competing clubs.
For example, we take the example of Chelsea. Their odds this season are sometimes always quite good especially when facing clubs whose level is below them and Chelsea play home then the bookmakers will definitely give odds that show they are the favorite club. But on the other hand, we must also be aware that this could be a trap especially when looking at the performance that Chelsea has had in these two seasons so that we can determine whether the odds given by the bookie are worth it or not because after all this is an important condition to convince ourselves and when we are not sure then we cannot take risks because in the end even though their odds are good but with the performance that Chelsea has it could be a destroyer of the bets you have.
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January 31, 2024, 09:15:37 AM
#38
If that is what insider gambling is, it is not illegal.

That notwithstanding, insider gambling is illegal because it undermines the principle of fairness and transparency in gambling. Insiders have unfair advantages which undermines the integrity of the game. The illegality of insider betting lies in the fact that football players, coaches and even certain officials are prohibited from gambling because they are part of the game and may take advantage of certain information not open to the public. When players are found to be involved in sports betting, they are sanctioned.

Some players that I know that have been sanctioned for breaching betting rules are Mauro Icardi, Daniel Sturridge, and the most recent is Ivan Toney.

Mauro Icardi was sanctioned by the Italian Football Federation for placing bets on Serie A matches. Daniel Sturridge faced disciplinary action by FA for providing inside information to a family member regarding a potential transfer to another club. Ivan Toney was banned from football for eight months and was fined by FA for breaching betting rules.

The above cases confirm the illegality of insider gambling.
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January 31, 2024, 09:09:33 AM
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I think it just means the information that cannot be discussed on television. Or, health issues that are not really that bad but could affect the game.
Let's say one player decided he will still play even though he has diarrhea, something like that.
They could use that to bet against the player props of the player. Let's say he is averaging 20 points per game but he might not achieve it that night because he ain't feeling good. These are the things that we don't see on paper or, they will inform the media about it before the game starts which is too late for a gambler to take back his money.
Like before, I bet a 50 PRA for Nikola Jokic in NBA basketball which odds are 1.87 if I remember it right. The game has not even started and I am already in profit. I can cash out my money while the first tip-in ain't happening yet.
The bookies suddenly increase the average PRA of the said player and 50 PRA becomes 1.65 odds only. There are perks for betting early but most of the time it is not suggested to do that unless you are sure about the line-up, because there are times a late announcement will be made and it will ruin your bet especially if you are making a parlay.
I think that is the meaning of insider gambling because they are the first to know what is happening inside the sport than the bookies. They will relay it but it's too late for the gambler who already made their picks.
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January 31, 2024, 08:32:08 AM
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Confusion About Insider Gambling
I don't believe in people keeping things a secret, if the goal is only to make a profit in soccer betting, I believe that soccer is more real, it can be seen in several competing leagues.

Talking about officials, insiders or themselves, of course they bet and if we talk about information, teams, injuries and so on of course it is generally known, there is no secret, Football betting is the same as what happens to teams, efforts, hard work and luck, as well as those who place bets.

I consider soccer gambling to be different from slot gambling where the operator can control wins and losses, soccer is a real result from the field.
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January 31, 2024, 08:14:43 AM
#35
Also from the same article,

"Football players and officials are prohibited from gambling on any aspect of football matches or competitions, according to the Football Association's (FA) rules."

If they are prohibited then it's more likely that they only bet among themselves in secret. The are not going to use regulated fiat bookies because of KYC verification.
Yes. This has helped me get it.

If I may, in insider gambling the coaches, referee, football players agrees within themselves for the game to have a predetermined out. The so-called non-regulated bookies may not even be online or even have a physical office. And yes KYC verification will not be used because they are off books. Did I get this understanding of it correctly? It looks as if it is similar to match-fixing.
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January 31, 2024, 08:12:28 AM
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Like you, at first I also didn't quite understand what you were asking, but after I read some of the comments in your post and I tried to look for further information, my thinking opened up a little about what you were asking.

However, when talking about soccer betting, the practice of soccer betting often involves the role of insiders in being able to manipulate match results or gain unfair advantages, or in other words, by using cheating. and this is better known as match fixing or match fixing. which is an illegal act and violates ethics in sports. And not infrequently some forms of match outcome fixing, this can involve players, coaches, referees or managers and match officials, where they work together to manipulate match results for financial gain. And of course, dirty practices like this, apart from being detrimental to the people who bet on them, can also harm the integrity of the football community and can give rise to public distrust of competitions which are supposed to be conducted fairly and in a sporting manner.

The soccer betting was made on the perspective of the player involved in the game.But the fact is many players game will change on the particular day because of their health issue.So the gamblers who have experienced in the soccer can use the soccer as betting or else the better option will be the casino in the gambling site.The gamblers who able to make the correct betting can make the huge money as returns from the gambling.The gamblers should build their own gambling structures of betting,it will help the gamblers to make huge profits.The gamblers who want to make money should ready to make money from the betting by their structure of betting.
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January 31, 2024, 07:02:44 AM
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Could someone please clarify the concept of insider gambling for me? I came across this term on this website, and it's a bit confusing. According to the information I found

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In football, insider trading could involve a player, coach, or other official using confidential information, such as team news, injuries, or other details about the match, to place bets on the outcome of the game. This could potentially give them an unfair advantage and compromise the integrity of the game.

Aren't team news, injuries, and other match details usually openly available on the internet and through sports bookies for gamblers to use when placing bets?. Also, do these officials typically place their bets through sports bookies or among themselves?
The truth is that you shouldn't have bothered yourself about this, it is certainly not possible and there is nothing like insider betting involving the team. Fine, players, officials and anyone can place a bet but it must not be known as it is illegal for them to bet. Be it players, their agents, the staff, coach, assistant coach, directors and many more that are directly involved with the team we are talking about are not allowed by the FIFA law to play. So, the way they use the team news, injuries, confidential information and others in this regard can only happen in the dreams of those who are propagating it.

Except if they play through their family and friends or other proxies that will not directly be linked to them. Even at that, there is nothing like insider gambling with some hidden and peculiar facts. In games, all news is open, be it injuries, plays, lectures, sanctions, speculations, feats, players and many more are all public information that anyone can use at their own discretion to come up with a conclusion on what the possible outcome of a game can be.
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January 31, 2024, 05:55:04 AM
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Well, injuries and the like are usually publicized since in the first place they can't play with injuries so I don't think it's part of the "confidential" information. On the other hand, there can be other discrete information that they're not allowed to share to outsiders. It can vary from trading regimes, strategy discussions, and stuff like that. Basically, any information that can give an unfair advantage of sorts or give an edge towards who knows said information, whether it be the opposite team or someone who's betting for that same match.

An example, and probably a pretty stupid one tbf but an example nonetheless, is if a team decides to do strategy X, which they are 100% confident in winning in round Y. Now bettor can create a bet that they'd score for that specific round and easily win, stuff like that. As for officials, no, afaik they're not even allowed to bet.
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January 31, 2024, 05:02:47 AM
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If that is what insider gambling is, it is not illegal. But I am referring to well known leagues and tournaments and not the small ones that can easily be manipulated. Manipulation in some small leagues will be more than what is called insider gambling.

If you want to bet on sport, bet some minutes to the matches and not some days or weeks before. Make sure you know the players that the couches want to use.

Makes sense. Betting on sports is cool but using secret info to get an edge like insider gambling is shady. It's not illegal but most sports leagues frown upon it.

As long as that's not illegal that's good to go. I mean, we gamble to win, so we'll do everything to win and that includes getting an information that would give us an advantage to win. They say it's hard to win in gambling, but if you can benefit from that kind of factor, then I guess gambling would be easy for you and money will be coming consistently.


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If you're into betting, maybe stick to last-minute bets and play it fair with public info
This isn't too important, unless it guarantees you a win or even increase your chances of winning. Line movement is still possible, it's either you get or lose an opportunity you are looking for since you are looking for some value.
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January 31, 2024, 04:41:46 AM
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If that is what insider gambling is, it is not illegal. But I am referring to well known leagues and tournaments and not the small ones that can easily be manipulated. Manipulation in some small leagues will be more than what is called insider gambling.

If you want to bet on sport, bet some minutes to the matches and not some days or weeks before. Make sure you know the players that the couches want to use.

Makes sense. Betting on sports is cool but using secret info to get an edge like insider gambling is shady. It's not illegal but most sports leagues frown upon it. If you're into betting, maybe stick to last-minute bets and play it fair with public info
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January 31, 2024, 02:11:05 AM
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In football, insider trading could involve a player, coach, or other official using confidential information, such as team news, injuries, or other details about the match, to place bets on the outcome of the game. This could potentially give them an unfair advantage and compromise the integrity of the game.

Aren't team news, injuries, and other match details usually openly available on the internet and through sports bookies for gamblers to use when placing bets?. Also, do these officials typically place their bets through sports bookies or among themselves?


Did you ever heard about in-match-fixing there is some cases in my country that I don't want to proud of but here is the thing and the document CORRUPTION IN MATCH-FIXING WITHIN SPORTS: THE NEED TO REGULATE FUTURE LEGISLATION - https://scholarhub.ui.ac.id/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1023&context=ilrev

So basically it's possible to bribe A team and B team to make the goal or penalty or everything but this might cost a lot. and "Betting with inside information gives the knowledge holder an unfair advantage because they made a betting decision based on additional information that was not available to the general public." - https://www.armstronglegal.com.au/criminal-law/nsw/offences/summary/bet-with-inside-information/

So its like win win situation for insider and the broker

Match fixing maybe rampant but only the fall guy that are caught, or those small leagues are doing it but there has been a little impact on the global bets. But if you like to hear about fixed games stories, you can watch the interview of a controvertial refs in the NBA that was sentence and now has shared his story.

Here's Tim Donaghy for you all.

Tim Donaghy on Fixing NBA Games, Reffing Malice At The Palace & NBAs Best Trash Talker
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If it's just to find out whether a player is injured or not, you don't need an insider because there's a lot of news in newspapers or online portals. and that doesn't determine a win.
What determines the victory is bribing the coach, defender or goalkeeper that can really change the outcome of a match.

Nah, This injury report is crucial if the star player is the one being injured. I think you are only considering a soccer sports which is also true because goalkeeper is totally has the power capable to make his team win or lose but this is different on game like Basketball because a late injury report might cause a huge impact on the game because a lot of team on NBA nowadays revolve their play to their star player that’s way many player recently hit 70+ points which half the score of the team.

Bookmaker also provides odds in advance then later on adjust it based on the current bets placed and other short notice changes such as injury report or if the injured player can play already for the next game.
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Aren't team news, injuries, and other match details usually openly available on the internet and through sports bookies for gamblers to use when placing bets?. Also, do these officials typically place their bets through sports bookies or among themselves?
You're correct that it's available for everyone. The downside is that it's not frequently updated, and it could take time for teams to officially announce significant changes (usually before kickoff) that could swing the tides of the betting markets.

One of the posts above already mentioned that most of the leagues have these rules in place, and here is a list of players who got caught doing sports betting.

That's right, because a team also wants to maintain its team's good name and reputation. So, for example, if there is bad news about a team, of course it will not be shared publicly, let alone on the internet. So only insiders know about it.
That's where gamblers have to be observant in seeing the situation and development of their chosen players.
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Of course, a person who knows some secret about a player right before the match will have an advantage. And of course this matters not only for football and not only for team sports. And, for example, for tennis. If a player comes to the court injured, then his chances of winning this match are reduced. There are different types of injuries. Of course, only insiders can know about some player injuries, who can use this in bets and thus increase their chances of winning. However, this is only a slight increase in chances and nothing more. No insider guarantees winning. Don't we know of cases in individual sports where an injured player, for example, beat an uninjured one? There are many such cases. Therefore, I believe that insight is a very relative thing. There is hardly any need to rely on it.
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In football, insider trading could involve a player, coach, or other official using confidential information, such as team news, injuries, or other details about the match, to place bets on the outcome of the game. This could potentially give them an unfair advantage and compromise the integrity of the game.

Aren't team news, injuries, and other match details usually openly available on the internet and through sports bookies for gamblers to use when placing bets?. Also, do these officials typically place their bets through sports bookies or among themselves?


Did you ever heard about in-match-fixing there is some cases in my country that I don't want to proud of but here is the thing and the document CORRUPTION IN MATCH-FIXING WITHIN SPORTS: THE NEED TO REGULATE FUTURE LEGISLATION - https://scholarhub.ui.ac.id/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1023&context=ilrev

So basically it's possible to bribe A team and B team to make the goal or penalty or everything but this might cost a lot. and "Betting with inside information gives the knowledge holder an unfair advantage because they made a betting decision based on additional information that was not available to the general public." - https://www.armstronglegal.com.au/criminal-law/nsw/offences/summary/bet-with-inside-information/

So its like win win situation for insider and the broker
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Aren't team news, injuries, and other match details usually openly available on the internet and through sports bookies for gamblers to use when placing bets?. Also, do these officials typically place their bets through sports bookies or among themselves?
You're correct that it's available for everyone. The downside is that it's not frequently updated, and it could take time for teams to officially announce significant changes (usually before kickoff) that could swing the tides of the betting markets.

One of the posts above already mentioned that most of the leagues have these rules in place, and here is a list of players who got caught doing sports betting.

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If it's just to find out whether a player is injured or not, you don't need an insider because there's a lot of news in newspapers or online portals. and that doesn't determine a win.
What determines the victory is bribing the coach, defender or goalkeeper that can really change the outcome of a match.
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Like you, at first I also didn't quite understand what you were asking, but after I read some of the comments in your post and I tried to look for further information, my thinking opened up a little about what you were asking.

However, when talking about soccer betting, the practice of soccer betting often involves the role of insiders in being able to manipulate match results or gain unfair advantages, or in other words, by using cheating. and this is better known as match fixing or match fixing. which is an illegal act and violates ethics in sports. And not infrequently some forms of match outcome fixing, this can involve players, coaches, referees or managers and match officials, where they work together to manipulate match results for financial gain. And of course, dirty practices like this, apart from being detrimental to the people who bet on them, can also harm the integrity of the football community and can give rise to public distrust of competitions which are supposed to be conducted fairly and in a sporting manner.
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Most of the time bookies.

If you look at (e-sport) gambling, you also find some interesting cases. An example like (322) case, where someone bet against their team with odds 3,22. Become a quite famous meme on gamer internet.

The team are getting paid by someone to lose, or at least the team it self make some bet against their team and they make lose themself.
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Insider gambling I guess has something to do with intentional motives. But it does have something to do with insider informations from the word itself. Same reason why I thought of motives with this kind of gambling 'coz informations of players and injuries are outside public access or audiences. Another assumption is team plaaaay or strategy; perhaps the star player won't be playing for the whole or majority of the minutes in the game or some sort of. Eitherway, this will be exclusive to some people only and more likely rich ones 'coz if more people will be knowing such thing, legal actions may take place. Due to exclusivity of the idea, it is hard to believe with anonymous people selling such 'signals' and informations whether which is credible or if it would be true. Much better is just to play and bet on the game as is and never participate with such cheating acts. Your chances of winning in this strategy may or may not increase, depending on who your 'source' is. Just scared of the idea that it is some sort of 'reverse psychology' wherein teams or heads are intentionally spreading such exclusive informations for odds to increase then they'll do the opposite on the actual game. Given that confusion arise with regards to the info, I would rather choose simply betting on my own and just enjoy the games  I would be watching.

Jist a tip is to never go all out with a single bet just because such information is leaked. Nothing could tell the outcome except for the result. But you are free to do so, maybe you guys have a very credible source of info. Just manage the amount you are betting just to be safe from regrets. Another and last disclaimer is that, there are instances of "selling out" when it comes to games; depends on how you will comprehend it. BE CAREFUL.
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January 30, 2024, 01:42:37 PM
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Aren't team news, injuries, and other match details usually openly available on the internet and through sports bookies for gamblers to use when placing bets?. Also, do these officials typically place their bets through sports bookies or among themselves?
I think you used the right word there: usually, what means that we don't know every single details about the teams and players. If someone from the team, like players, coach, medical support and so on, use an information the public wasn't aware about in their own favour to place a bet, then it's considered inside gambling. That is an unfair practice, since the gambler is betting aware of an information the rest of the gamblers don't have access in no other ways, so they are in disadvantage.

At least, that is what I understood from the quote you shared above.

Anyway, it's a very sensitive point, because people who work on the backgrounds with the team will always know something else the public doesn't know. It may not be even a lesion issue, but an emotional problem the player is facing with his family or wife and few support members know about it. So of course they can use this information at their own favour when placing a bet, or tell someone to play for them following their guesses. And it would be innocence from our side to think it's not happening in a frequent basis in sports betting.
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The information that you're referring to becomes available after a certain period of time. Insider information gets you ahead of everyone else, prompting you to place bets right even before the odds swing the other direction. Some coaches, players, or managers take advantage of this to make some quick buck, but it's unethical to do so and they could get penalized pretty heavily by the team that they're working for and that's a huge blow to them personally.
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Could someone please clarify the concept of insider gambling for me? I came across this term on this website, and it's a bit confusing. According to the information I found

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In football, insider trading could involve a player, coach, or other official using confidential information, such as team news, injuries, or other details about the match, to place bets on the outcome of the game. This could potentially give them an unfair advantage and compromise the integrity of the game.

Aren't team news, injuries, and other match details usually openly available on the internet and through sports bookies for gamblers to use when placing bets?. Also, do these officials typically place their bets through sports bookies or among themselves?

I don’t think they’re talking about being up to date with public information being insider information. More likely they mean people who know things that aren’t made public. Maybe a player told you he’s going to throw the game and make his team lose. Betting with that information would be considered insider gambling and is not very common.
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The definition of inside gambling/sport betting in this case is wide enough for the information to go beyond injuries, it applies to any privileged information about the team, their training sessions, their performance or even the personal life of the members of the team.
Look beyond the injuries.
Because we are talking about a group of human beings (football teams) there will be always information which is supposed to stay private and not to be filtered to the press. Some star football player of the team could be struggling with some medication, addiction, emotional problems or anything which he would like to remain private among his comrades of the team.
Since those things can be negative for the performance of the person when comes to sports, someone within the team could feel tempted to sell such information to a gambler, usually I would assume the trainer has more motivations to do so, since he does not have to step on the stadium.

Either way, I believe those situation of inside gambling are not as common as fixing games, because while privileged information can be useful to bet, it does not guarantee profit as match fixing does. Both are illegal activities, though match fixing is not more difficult to go after than inside gambling, after all, those involved with the latter can always deny so wrong doing and claim it was all just about rumors.
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Aren't team news, injuries, and other match details usually openly available on the internet and through sports bookies for gamblers to use when placing bets?. Also, do these officials typically place their bets through sports bookies or among themselves?

imagine the following: real madrid will play against atlético madrid tomorrow, the bookmakers place the following odds: real madrid 2.50 and atlético madrid 2.50, but during training important players from real madrid get injured, of these 5 important players from real madrid who were injured, 3 are the best attackers and 2 are the best midfielders. but as the case happened very quickly and no one from the press knows about it and that's why the bookmakers maintain the same odds, one of the team doctor's assistants decides to bet on Atlético Madrid's victory with odds of 2.50, hours after the news channels The news begins to spread the news about the injuries, the odds drop in favor of Atlético Madrid, remaining at 1.30

When this doctor's assistant wins a bet and it is discovered that he had information about the injured players well in advance, then he will face disciplinary proceedings and will be expelled from his job. That's why I agree that all club management should not get involved with sports betting and should not sell information. It's true that even if someone on a team has privileged information, it still won't guarantee you a success if you make a bet, but it's cheating and unethical. That's why they can't allow that kind of thing in sports
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January 30, 2024, 10:11:56 AM
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Inside betting is at advantage and a secret so that the public will not be able to predict the exact way that they match will be like. This is because there can be changes in the line up of players due to injuries and trade of some players that are suppose to be present on the match day.

If the coach and players are gambling, then I believe that is was done secretly between themselves, but this can destroy the quality of the game. Like others have said, it is better to bet some minutes or hours before the match and you should also listen to sport news and do your own research so that you can be able to speculate on the match properly.
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Aren't team news, injuries, and other match details usually openly available on the internet and through sports bookies for gamblers to use when placing bets?
This is from the same site you shared,

"This includes insider trading, which refers to using non-public information to gain an advantage in betting or other financial activities."

Keyword: non-public

I don't understand what's so confusing about that.

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Also, do these officials typically place their bets through sports bookies or among themselves?
Also from the same article,

"Football players and officials are prohibited from gambling on any aspect of football matches or competitions, according to the Football Association's (FA) rules."

If they are prohibited then it's more likely that they only bet among themselves in secret. The are not going to use regulated fiat bookies because of KYC verification.
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Sports are often stirred by speculators who make some comparisons to teams or athletes. Even the state of mind of some players can be part of what they can instigate. Sometimes family issues are brought up to question the mental state of the player. Even when it's not big of an issue, when reported on the news, this could affect the player.
But this is out in the open so don't know why they could call it insider gambling.
 
There are plenty of these people who maintain a Boxing Vlog Channel.
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In football, insider trading could involve a player, coach, or other official using confidential information, such as team news, injuries, or other details about the match, to place bets on the outcome of the game. This could potentially give them an unfair advantage and compromise the integrity of the game.

Aren't team news, injuries, and other match details usually openly available on the internet and through sports bookies for gamblers to use when placing bets?. Also, do these officials typically place their bets through sports bookies or among themselves?

 


In some sports, It’s required to disclose all the changes such as injuries, trade and other information in advance or else they will be disqualified for the game. I’m not confident if this is applicable to all the sports league though.

This insider info is true. Just like fixed matches, some sports manager benefit on this info because bookmaker is not aware for this changes when they are making the book odds in advance. This is the reason why the live odds sometimes have a significant change’s compared to the prematch odds even though the game is not yet started. Bookmaker usually provide odds based on stats available online and other info usually have delay before they release in the public because it needs to be finalized first.
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January 30, 2024, 09:08:20 AM
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There are certain news that don't make it to reporters prior to a match starting. For instance, everyone might be expecting the team to start with a certain set of players or use certain players for most of the match.
But for instance a player might be immediately substituted out of a match in a surprise move. This might be part of a strategy that the coach wasn't willing to reveal.

It actually happens very often. Only the coach and a handful of people within the team know this strategy. Ofc this might affect a team's odds to win as it will affect the match.
For sure fair play means that each time a team plays they should put their best efforts to win, but for instance, substitutions, injuries and strategies like keeping certain players relaxed for more important matches are still a thing and could make things worse or better for a team at a certain match.

This is different from match fixing as the team still puts efforts towards achieving the best result, but not with its best players perhaps.
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That's why many people prefer betting on soccer sports a few minutes before the match starts compared to betting a few days before the match starts, so before betting you can do research first on which players will be fielded so you can easily guess the performance ability of one of the teams, I don't know what is meant by that word too, but maybe there is definitely someone looking for profit by certain officials who might collaborate with the bookie in order to make a profit from sports betting.

I also don't consider it to be match fixing or other fixing but I think it often happens in other sports betting too, so my advice for betting on sports betting is to bet a few minutes before the match starts and not bet a few days before the match, well even though it might be an opportunity the stakes are quite high and tempting, but we will never know which player will be fielded, there is definitely a risk, besides that, many people often bet when the match starts live and that can also be used as a guide so that cheating is not easily carried out in sports betting. that, but honestly I don't like live sports betting, sometimes the betting odds are so small it's not interesting to play.  Grin
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Could someone please clarify the concept of insider gambling for me? I came across this term on this website, and it's a bit confusing. According to the information I found

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In football, insider trading could involve a player, coach, or other official using confidential information, such as team news, injuries, or other details about the match, to place bets on the outcome of the game. This could potentially give them an unfair advantage and compromise the integrity of the game.

Aren't team news, injuries, and other match details usually openly available on the internet and through sports bookies for gamblers to use when placing bets?. Also, do these officials typically place their bets through sports bookies or among themselves?

 


That is right and extremely common in not important leagues like Armenian,Albanian,Azeirbaijan to name a few where although UEFA has delegates to check what is going on they sure cannot imagine that the coach or high management of a team has done some inside deal and  have agreed on a fixed result for that game.This is massive in lower quality leagues and it is subject to heavy monitoring in big leagues that is why in such leagues are less common.
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Could someone please clarify the concept of insider gambling for me? I came across this term on this website, and it's a bit confusing. According to the information I found

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In football, insider trading could involve a player, coach, or other official using confidential information, such as team news, injuries, or other details about the match, to place bets on the outcome of the game. This could potentially give them an unfair advantage and compromise the integrity of the game.

Aren't team news, injuries, and other match details usually openly available on the internet and through sports bookies for gamblers to use when placing bets?. Also, do these officials typically place their bets through sports bookies or among themselves?

Yes, I think that is the very definition of it, although we might learn players being reported as injured, but it might be close to the game itself and so those who bet pre-game might not know about this news and so it will definitely affect the betting or the odds itself. And with that, those close who knew might bet on the opposite side and so they have the advantage and might win big. This is not only prevalent in Football, I even heard this to horse racing, either the horse is injured and not let known to the public until the last minute or the regular jockeys being replace and so he might guide the horse differently and might lose the race intentionally by the new jockey.
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January 30, 2024, 06:58:21 AM
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Sports gamblers who always place their bet a week or some days before the match are the ones in great disadvantage because players could be sold out to another team before the day of the match.

Just as Oshosondy said, if you are a sports gambler, it is better to place your bet a few minutes before the start of the game.

These are just rumors, just like when people are saying that games are rigged. Placing your bet few minutes before the game is good if you are a shark, but if you are just a casual better, nothing fancy here, just bet whenever you want and just do the right and the easiest thing which is to give yourself a time to analyzing the games you are betting.

Mafia, or whatever conspiracy theory we have, put that aside if you are not betting thousands of dollars to millions of dollars.
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Aren't team news, injuries, and other match details usually openly available on the internet and through sports bookies for gamblers to use when placing bets?. Also, do these officials typically place their bets through sports bookies or among themselves?


Some are known to the public but there are few that are kept private so that their opponents won’t use it to their advantage so in such a case a team member could decide to make use of it himself and place a bet based on that privileged information.

Coach, players, referees are not allowed to bet on some types of games most especially because of some privileged information and also because they are directly involved in it and so have the potential of playing just for the sake of their bets.
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January 30, 2024, 06:54:29 AM
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From what I know, insider betting or gambling is usually an advantage for the inside bettor because they have a higher opportunity to place a successful bet because of the information that have gotten and their possibility to win is great than the normal bettor, who just believes in his prediction. There is usually some inside information about a club that doesn't get disclosed, maybe until the day of the match or when the match is about to start.

Sports gamblers who always place their bet a week or some days before the match are the ones in great disadvantage because players could be sold out to another team before the day of the match.

Just as Oshosondy said, if you are a sports gambler, it is better to place your bet a few minutes before the start of the game.
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January 30, 2024, 06:39:53 AM
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Injuries or problems within the team are information that are very useful, especially on chemistry. Now, the information are already updated, you can check the injury reports before you place your bet but all that is happening inside are not reported, like I mentioned the chemistry thing.

insider's info if you look at on a negative way it could be related to rigging of games, but it's not like that, games are always fair in our eyes, fixed games information are usually not shared.
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If that is what insider gambling is, it is not illegal. But I am referring to well known leagues and tournaments and not the small ones that can easily be manipulated. Manipulation in some small leagues will be more than what is called insider gambling.

If you want to bet on sport, bet some minutes to the matches and not some days or weeks before. Make sure you know the players that the couches want to use.
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Could someone please clarify the concept of insider gambling for me? I came across this term on this website, and it's a bit confusing. According to the information I found

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In football, insider trading could involve a player, coach, or other official using confidential information, such as team news, injuries, or other details about the match, to place bets on the outcome of the game. This could potentially give them an unfair advantage and compromise the integrity of the game.

Aren't team news, injuries, and other match details usually openly available on the internet and through sports bookies for gamblers to use when placing bets?. Also, do these officials typically place their bets through sports bookies or among themselves?

 
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