Topic: Conmebol Libertadores 2024 (Read 929 times)

There are many competitive teams in Brazil that, if they played a match against the current Brazilian team, would be able to win relatively easily. The biggest problem is the coach and the CBF management. I also hope that the Brazilian teams have a good Club World Cup. I think the only one that could do badly is Fluminense, which played at the bottom of the table this year.

I also really liked this new format for the Club World Cup, with several European top teams, and we will be able to see matches that were previously unimaginable.

My friend, money fixes many things, but the final was really good, what I like most is that there was a representative of my country and the fact of winning in Brazil is an honor, for me BRAZIL is the capital of football, it does not matter the situation that the Brazilian team is in trouble right now and is receiving criticism, Brazil always shines throughout the COPA Libertadores, I hope they win the InterContinental, they have not been able to yet, but if they can, Botafogo is without a doubt a team that has a very high level right now, I hope they continue like this.

There's another pictures of this foul that looks even ugly than this photo
It was very unprofessional of Gregore and I bet he got a real scolding from the coach after that red card
No player can get a red card like that in a championship final, I don't know how he managed it 



This is the way, money and a good management
Globo and media tried everything to look like there's millions of Botafogo fans hehehe

A nice curiosity, the last 3 Libertadores champions are from Rio de Janeiro

2022 - Flamengo
2023 - Fluminense
2024 - Botafogo

So the next, in 2025 will be Vasco  --> 

The miracle of money, after the investor started to inject money into Botafogo, the team went from being a joke in Brazil to becoming champion of the Americas, I congratulate the club, even though I think it is still a small team and that all of this is a huge distortion of reality lol.

Atlético has two runner-up positions, anyway, a final is always difficult... but the club lost two finals, so the "smell of the year" trophy goes to Minas Gerais lol

I was following the game and I was shocked when I saw how quickly the Botafogo player received a red card, but I thought the Atlético player had been seriously injured.



Fortunately it wasn't too serious, but the Botafogo player received a red card very early on, after that the game became more intense in my opinion, Botafogo knew how to be more effective in attack and scored 2 goals, but then they relaxed a lot to the point that Atletico scored 1 goal and dominated the game for a while, but they wasted good opportunities, and in football when a team wastes a lot of opportunities, the other team scores a goal at the first opportunity they have and that's what happened in this game, Atletico's defenders had a lot of difficulty stopping Botafogo's player, Junior Santos.

Botafogo finally won Libertadores


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I told everyone to watch the final as it was going to be an exciting game, so I hope you all guys did 

There was a Botafogo player sent off with less than a minute to play, there was an exciting game, chances to draw, 4 goals in total and Botafogo achieved a historic feat by playing practically the whole game with 1 player less, showing that they really are the strongest team in Brazil today

I almost bet on Atlético MG after the red card, but I glad I didn't hahaha

It was a thrilling final. Botafogo won by 3x1 with one less player in field since the beginning of the match. When Luiz Henrique scored the first goal it was really touching. Botafogo's journey is an inspiration for everyone: never stop believing and trying to do your best until you finally win. It may take a long time, many people will laugh on your face and disdain you, but if you keep upstanding, you will overcome the obstacles and win at some point.

The club as a whole deserved it, the fans deserved it. First Libertadores da America title in the history of Botafogo! I'm proud to watch Botafogo's players happy together celebrating the victory. They truly look like a real family.

In a few hours the final will start


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The odds are total in favor of Botafogo hehehe, but math and statistics doesn't count the factor that Botafogo lose the most important matches of their history
Let's see if they can rewrite history and become champions of South America

I already told that Disney+ and ESPN will broadcast the match, but I see that Paramount+ will stream too 

Yesterday Atlético lost to Juventude, but they played with a reserve team in order to play the Libertadores final with 100% strength
Botafogo played yesterday with 100% so as not to lose the Brazilian title

My opinion is as follows:

Botafogo have the advantage of having a better team, with more resources to win and with better individual players who can make the difference.
The weak point is that Botafogo have lost many decisions and in decisive moments, they inexplicably fail to win.

Atlético MG has the advantage of having a more rested team, with less pressure and a striker like Hulk who can decide a match


I saw the odds and they are paying 2.65 to Atlético title, and 1.62 to Botafogo title

After yesterday's match I'm already discouraged to see Atletico-MG as champion, Botafogo will probably win the title of champion of America... Atletico MG doesn't represent any danger, given what I saw in the final of the 2024 Copa do Brasil. Apparently the "smell" this year will be from the team from Minas Gerais. And who would have thought... Botafogo, from a brazilian joke, to champion, I would never have imagined that, really a huge distortion of reality lol

Only 4 days to the grand final 

Maybe only brazilians will watch since there are 2 brazilian teams on the final, but it's always nice to see a continental final

Botafogo vs Atlético MG
Saturday 26th - 20h UTC

I think guys from another countries can watch via ESPN or Disney +

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Anyone here have a good guess?

In my opinion Botafogo is better than Atlético MG, but Botafogo always fall in the most important moment, so I'm really in doubt here about my bet

The dynamics of the championship are a little different, Botafogo has lost the lead in the Brazilian championship and will face Palmeiras. If Botafogo wants to be champion, they will have to go all out in this match, which could jeopardize their performance in the Libertadores final... and there is also the risk that the team will not be able to be champion of either competition... how crazy, how can things change so much in such a short time... as the saying goes: there are things that only happen to Botafogo.

Considering the players of each team, the chances are in favour of Botafogo. The middle-attack squad is the best of the American continent, composed by Thiago Almada, Jefferson Savarino, Luiz Henrique and Igor Jesus - The Fantastic Four. The defensive players Alexander Barboza, Bastos and Gregore are also pretty good, with highlights for Barboza, although he is aggressive sometimes on his arrivals, what causes desnecessary fouls.

The problem is when the adversary plays too closed on defensive position. In games like that, Botafogo has a hard time scoring and completing the plays with success. But in this case, since it's a Libertadores final, I think Atlético isn't going to play on "Testudo Formation", as they also need to advance in order to try scoring and having the advantage after all.

I hope it's going to be an entertaining game and that Botafogo wins after so many years suffering being subdued and humiliated on the soccer national scene. It's time to return to the glorious days!

Financially, it is much more interesting for a club to win the Copa Libertadores, because of possible sponsors and possible prizes if they manage to do well in the Club World Cup. The Brazilian championship is only very important for those clubs that rarely win it. I think that for any Brazilian team, winning the Americas is much better than winning the Brazilian championship. Now imagine a possible scenario in which Botafogo doesn't manage to win any of the championships... it would be very unlucky, but the club has that motto: there are things that only happen with Botafogo... words have power... I wouldn't bet on Botafogo! lol 

Today I saw on FIFA's Instagram that they are saying that the winner of this game will guarantee a place in the FIFA Club World Cup. If Botafogo manages to beat Atlético-MG, they will guarantee a place in the FIFA Club World Cup, which would make the club's management, players and fans very happy, even if they are unlucky again and don't win the Brazilian Championship.


Now if they lose in the game against Atlético, the management and the fans put a lot of pressure on the coach and players to win the Brazilian Championship, especially because the game against Atlético will take place while there are still 3 rounds left for the Brazilian Championship to end. Botafogo needs to win something to do well this season and clean up the bad image that was that shameful last season.

And Botafogo did it


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For the first time in their history, they are classified for a Libertadores final against Atlético MG
They lost to Peñarol 3 x 1, but the first match was 5x0, so the final result was 6x3

100% brazilian final
Which one will be the champion of America?

If you analyze the performance throughout the season, Botafogo is the big favorite for the final, but Atlético-MG has already demonstrated its strength in knockout games, reaching both the Copa do Brasil final and the Copa Libertadores final. This is a match that has everything to be as random as possible, I can't imagine a champion yet... anything can happen. But if I were to make a guess without any basis in anything, I would go with Atletico MG.

Yesterday we met the first finalist for Libertadores 2024


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Atlético MG drew with River Plate and secured qualification after winning the first leg 3x0 at home.
Incredibly, I didn't expect Atlético MG to make it this far in the Libertadores, since in the Brazilian championship they're not doing so well.
But it looks like the team prioritized the Libertadores and did well

Today Botafogo should secure their place and make it a 100% Brazilian final
What do you think? Any guesses?

Did anyone here follow the Libertadores match between Botafogo and Peñarol yesterday?
Despite the immense confusion of the fans of the Uruguayan team in Rio de Janeiro, Botafogo managed to play a beautiful game, and won 5x0
Yes, 5x0

It's a bit hard to see a semi-final match with such an impressive result
I don't think it's hard to think that Botafogo already have a 99% chance of being in the final

If any fans bet on 5x0, they must have gotten rich today hehehe 

You were right, Tite was indeed fired and your analysis of his work is almost surgically precise, very good indeed and says it all. The biggest problem for me with Tite is his stubbornness and lack of determination in the team, Flamengo needs a coach with energy, like Jorge Jesus, who pushes the players and makes the team play with intensity. Flamengo needs a coach who can rescue Flamengo's DNA. Filipe Luis is now the new coach, he loves Flamengo and I am very hopeful about the work he will begin, I believe he will surprise many.

In my opinion, Brazilians have talented players, but they have terrible coaches. Tite has his achievements, but he hasn't achieved much with different teams very often. So he's not the kind of coach that Flamengo should have high expectations of. If Flamengo's goal was, for example, to have a coach who would avoid being in the relegation zone in the Brazilian Championship or to go as far as possible in the Libertadores, then I would say that Tite would be suitable. But when you think about winning titles, then I don't see Tite being suitable. Even if they gave Tite 3 or 5 years at Flamengo to create a winning team, I don't think he would produce good results. And everything gets worse because at Flamengo in 2019, when Jorge Jesus won the Brazilian Championship and the Libertadores, he made the board and the fans start demanding titles from all the coaches who arrived after Jorge Jesus. So I think Tite will be fired soon

And they really didn't win. The key match for this confrontation was the game in Rio de Janeiro, in which Flamengo once again played very poorly and arrived in Uruguay with a serious disadvantage. Throughout the Copa Libertadores, Flamengo's team played mediocre football and didn't play like a team that wants to be champion. The result is there: eliminated from the Libertadores and doing poorly in the Brazilian championship. It seems like this is the beginning of the end for coach Tite as Flamengo's commander. All the structure and money available and the guy can't do a good job. Everything he did was just average and when he needed to win, he couldn't.

Well, the result of yesterday's game left me surprised

Sao Paulo 1  - 1 Botafogo

Botafogo scored an early goal and it seemed like everything was going well for them to leave the game with a victory. After scoring a goal, Botafogo began to waste good opportunities to score a second goal. Luckily for them, they were doing very well in defense. They managed to prevent Sao Paulo's attackers from scoring a goal. They were even lucky that the Sao Paulo player missed a penalty. And the first half ended with Botafogo winning. But in the second half, Sao Paulo dominated the game. It seemed like Botafogo had no interest in winning the game. Botafogo did not cause any danger to Sao Paulo's defense, and after wasting so many opportunities, Sao Paulo finally scored an equalizer and won the game on penalties.

Today's game:

Penarol - Flamengo

honestly, I don't see Flamengo winning this game

A true tragedy and may God give him paradise and his family the patience needed in such circumstances, it was not enough it looks the fact that Luis Suarez decided to dedicate him his goals with Inter Miami when he was fighting at that hospital and that is life which sometimes can become very sad from one moment that no one expects it. What impresses me most is how come these doctors in sport clubs make a blind eye when doing their medical visits to these players, it reminds me the first time I saw such happening and I was shocked and it was at 2007 if I remember correctly when Mariano Puerta (don't remember his name really but he was a Sevilla player) that died on pitch and the medics accepted they knew but they did a blind eye in order not to kill a dream yet they don't realize that they are killing a human being by doing so. For me all the fault is on the medics, I highly doubt they are so incompetent as not to see when some guy has problems with his heart or any other danger he may has if he plays football.

A very young man, from what I read he was 27 years old, leaves behind two small children, one of whom was just 15 days old... He was at work, it was all a fatality, very sad... he had his whole life ahead of him.

I saw that he possibly had a seizure followed by arrhythmia and cardiorespiratory arrest, but according to the doctor who attended to him, he arrived in the ambulance still breathing and with vital signs.

Actually this is very sad to read and watch. He was young , he was skilled and still had a lot of time to improve and even catch a transfer in Europe. What I heard is that he had some small heart problems that affected him more than it should have had in that night and the result was a heart attack followed by insufficient brain oxygen:(. Prayers for his family , his closed friend , his team and everyone who supported him.

Unfortunately, player Juan Manuel Izquierdo, from Nacional-URU, died at the Albert Einstein hospital in São Paulo. The player fell ill at the end of the match against São Paulo in the Copa Libertadores. It was a very sad situation. The player had small children. The scene of him staggering and falling on the pitch was quite shocking... It is worth remembering that this is the second tragedy of this type to occur in São Paulo games. The first was the death of São Caetano defender Serginho in 2004. Very, very sad.

https://ge.globo.com/futebol/times/sao-paulo/noticia/2024/08/27/izquierdo-jogador-do-nacional-uru-morre-em-sao-paulo.ghtml

https://x.com/Nacional/status/1828606877048950830?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1828606877048950830%7Ctwgr%5Ea2d0fc962df1a3a0e0260d16f4980eb7e896db27%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-16919292832600298989.ampproject.net%2F2406131415000%2Fframe.html

I wouldn't like the final to be between two Brazilian teams, it's much cooler to see the rivalry between teams from different countries... Although lately the finals have been on neutral ground, which is a shame, I would like it to be the old-fashioned way, with home and away matches, to make it more exciting.

And what a shame about the Nacional full-back, apparently his health has gotten worse, very complicated, it seems like he won't be able to get out of this and recover... a young man, with a small child... very sad

My predictions:

Fluminense x Atlético MG
Botafogo x São Paulo
Colo Colo x River Plate
Flamengo x Peñarol

In bold are the ones I think will qualify
The only difference from your prediction is that I think São Paulo could surprise and beat Botafogo
São Paulo is usually good in South American competitions, so I believe in that result

Do you think the final will be between 2 brazilian teams?

The games will be very good in these quarterfinals, we have five Brazilian clubs, with two matches between Brazilians, Botafogo x São Paulo (I believe Botafogo will advance) and Fluminense x Atletico-MG (I would bet on Atletico)... It's strange that Fluminense has come so far but at the same time is doing so badly in the national championship.... In the Flamengo x Penarol, Flamengo will definitely advance and Colo Colo x River Plate, I think River will win.... What do you think? What are your predictions?

I hadn't seen that interview, but I'm not surprised. Every time some journalists ask a few questions that really annoy the coaches after a disqualification hehehe 


I got Peñarol's and River Plate's classification right (it was easy too haha), but I got Palmeiras' wrong
It was a very exciting game, I thought it would be very easy for Botafogo to qualify after 2x0, but incredibly, in the last minutes of the game Palmeiras scored 2 goals, and even scored the 3rd, but the ball hit the striker's hand and the goal was canceled
If the match went to penalties, Palmeiras would have qualified, but that's not what happened

I finally saw a great match, worthy of the Libertadores, with a lot of emotion
I lost the bet but won a great spectacle

Palmeiras 2 - 2 Botafogo

This was a very emotional game. Botafogo played well for many minutes. They managed to score 2 goals and hadn't conceded a goal until the 80th minute. You might think they would win this game easily. But it's unbelievable that in 2 minutes Botafogo conceded 2 goals and made the game a draw. But that was just another nightmare, because minutes later another heavy one came. Palmeiras scored the third goal, but thanks to VAR the goal was disallowed and Botafogo goes through to the next round. If it were in the past when VAR didn't exist, then Palmeiras would have won this game. We have to congratulate the existence of VAR because it makes the game fairer.



 

If there was no VAR, Palmeiras would have won the game

Bolivar - Flamengo

After Flamengo suffered a humiliating defeat in the Brazilian league game, I hope that at least in the morning game they can win without conceding too many goals. To be honest, I won't bet on Flamengo because I don't trust them. I just hope that they can at least get a draw or a win and don't concede too many goals.

Did you see coach Renato Gaúcho get really angry with the reporter? His decline is clear... he was supposed to be one of the greatest coaches in Brazil, and I remember when he said that if he were Flamengo's coach, he wouldn't lose to anyone else, because he had the best team in the country... the time came for him to have to coach Flamengo and that's what happened, he couldn't do anything.

https://www.tiktok.com/@corteszero14/video/7405581586281925894

Regarding Palmeiras, I think now is the time for redemption and the team will qualify. After all, if not, a very serious crisis could come and the coach will start to be questioned about his work.

It's funny how Fluminense and Gremio were playing in the round of 16 of  Libertadores, Fluminense managed to qualify, and both teams are horrible in the Brazilian championship 
The raffle helps a lot in these times, as two teams in a bad situation are facing each other

Today I think these teams will qualify:

Penãrol, after all, they have 4 gols of advantage and it's almost impossible to lose against The Strongest
River Plate, who will be playing at home with a one-goal advantage, I also think it's difficult to lose at the Monumental de Núñez
Palmeiras, have an absurd amount of pressure on them at the moment, they lost first game, they lost a few games in the Brasileirao and they need to qualify by all means, so I believe in at least a 1x0 win in normal time

Returning to the Copa Libertadores games, in the round of 16, yesterday we had Flamengo's victory by 2-0, and São Paulo's draw with Nacional-URU... Did anyone here watch the games? Flamengo opened up a good lead for the second leg. And São Paulo, with practically 70% possession of the ball, was unable to score a single goal, finishing very few times (2 shots) against 14 from Nacional, who, despite having less possession of the ball, was much more effective in the game.

It ended up that San Lorenzo won 3-2.... these last rounds of the group stage are very unpredictable, it's very challenging to place bets at this point in the championship... And I don't know what happens, the teams that do badly suddenly start giving their blood on the field and trying harder.... The question remains: why didn't they do this before? lol 

I feel like is impossible to actually catch a bet on Libertadores this week right ? I mean Junion won with 7 odds a game where they had no real intention to win and yet they scored 1-0 in early game and then game stayed that way for more than 70 minutes  .

Today I won't be shocked if Liverpool will win the game in the same manner against San Lorenzo because both teams are having 4 points and a draw won't really help either of them to actually qualify further. 

Another shame for Flamengo, this time losing to Palestino. Flamengo is at risk of being eliminated in the next round...

What catches my attention is this goalkeeper, who once again fails in a move, he didn't even jump to try to save the shot that resulted in the goal, he tried to do the famous "defend with his eyes"... a total shame. As a Flamengo fan, I have already lost hope in this team in the Copa Libertadores.

Here's a video with the best moments:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp_4Egqy7OE

What has happened to encourage this is the opening of football schools linked to clubs, but I don't know if the children's interest is still the same as it used to be.

Perhaps from childhood, sports could be encouraged more because what currently happens in schools are simple weekly physical education classes, but it is still not enough...

But perhaps there is still hope, in the Copa São Paulo de Juniores, the annual youth tournament, there are always some players with a lot of potential.

Well, about the replacement generation of Brazil, well, if they are in that line, they should do something to motivate the children, well, in fact, Antony who plays for Man United is one of them who came out of the favelas and is a great example For many then in this order of ideas things should be like this, if Brazil starts looking for children they should encourage them, the thing about social networks, telephones is not only in Brazil, I think that happens in all countries in the world . , but Brazil, due to pure genetics, its players are very good, so with the passage of time I believe that apart from the protection that recruitment campaigns must carry out for them, Brazil will surely recover from the time it spent in the first phase of the USA 2026 qualifiers, It is a team that will always give its best and give its best, tremendous players who have wow, there is no doubt about that.

When it comes to club , I don't see Brazil having a another crazy run to win Liberdatores cup year after year and that is because more and more players are leaving for Europe club at a very early age and that will automatically affect their clubs performance. However , when it comes to international football , Brazill will always be top3 and always one of the favorites to win World Cup but also Copa America and personally , I'm a huge Brazilian fan when they play at world cup and maybe with a bit of luck we can win at USA 2026 

I don't know if the future holds anything good for Brazil regarding football... in the past, 10, 15 years ago it was common to see children on the streets playing football, various talents were born there, skills were trained from a very young age during these matches on the street... nowadays with the advancement of the internet, most children and young people just want to be on the internet... leaving aside typical games, like playing ball and playing in the street... It will become increasingly rare to appear outstanding players in Brazil.

I don't know if I'm too pessimistic... but that's the only thing I can see about it

I have always thought that in Flamengo things are getting into crisis like this because it is normal sometimes for teams to have that happen , because lately what they Showed in the Copa Libertadores was very good, in fact this team has given a lot of fight to a Santos, a Palmeiras that wow is on another level.

Personally, I like these teams because they Show happy football, the truth is that the Brazilian technique is very good, I have always said one thing, when we look for strong and beautiful emotions we should not hesitate, we have to look at how these teams play, Brazilian teams, I don't know if you remember when Neymar played for Santos, it was another level, when they had to play against Barcelona in the Intercontinental they lost, but that was when Ney pushed himself towards European Football ,  but in reality Brazil is the school.

If it were a team of young people, full of unknown players at the beginning of their careers, we could even consider it nervous, but this Flamengo team is mostly made up of very experienced players, including their coach is very experienced, he was the coach of the Brazilian team during the last world cup. What's missing there is tactical adjustment, Flamengo has been playing very inconsistently.

It is very strange what the goalkeeper did, it could also be that the goalkeeper was filled with a lot of nerves and fell, it is something that can happen, but at the level of a Copa Libertadores de América, type of nerves, because it was not seen that It may have been a slip, sometimes goalkeepers can suffer from things like this, maybe things can be very different in a game like this, Flamenco is a team that is one of the best clubs in Brazil, they should not fail, But considering that we are human, nervousness, all this influences, but the shot that the goalkeeper actually gave looked very bad.

It's true, Flamengo isn't playing like a team that wants to be champions plays.

The complaint about altitude is a lame excuse. If the team had won, would they talk about altitude? I don't think so, it's another justification without credibility.

Did this Flamengo goalkeeper try to guess the move? weird, right? he fell too early instead of advancing a little to close the attacker's angle... Simply horrible, I think if I had been there I would have been able to save that shot.

BOLÍVAR 2 - 1 FLAMENGO

As expected from Flamengo, they lost and they always use something to justify the defeat, and this time they blamed the altitude. as if that would be a convincing justification. It is an undeniable fact that Flamengo is not performing well in this competition, in 3 games they only had 1 win, 1 draw and 1 defeat. I don't know what Flamengo's coach is thinking. In Brazil they played 3 games in which they won 2 games and drew 1 game and are currently in second place. but in 3 games they only managed to score 4 goals in the Brazilian league and conceded 2 goals. It's not a good performance for a team that wants to become champions.

In Brasileirao's last game they managed to draw with Palmeiras, but a victory would have been the best thing, because Palmeiras is a team that can start badly in the league, they can even perform poorly in many of the first games, but after the middle During the season they start to play well and become champions, which is why the sooner Flamengo distances itself from Palmeiras, beats Palmeiras, the better for Flamengo. Something funny I saw in this game between Flamengo and Bolivar was this:



If Flamengo's goalkeeper hadn't fallen early, then he would have had a better chance of saving that ball. but unfortunately he couldn't save that ball. Will Flamengo really be able to get far in this competition?

If you create the thread, I'll participate
It's the only international competition Corinthians will participate in (and lose a lot of games) this year, so I'll bet against my own team and win some money hehehehe

Don't forget to let us know here if you create the thread

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Yesterday I bet on São Paulo and Fluminense
I lost the Fluminense bet, but won the São Paulo one. I ended up with practically the same amount of money, at least I didn't lose 

I'm very late here, I only just saw this thread.

The reason for this is because I'm not really following this championship even though I really like football.... last year Internacional invested a lot of money in trying to be champions, they defeated important opponents but ended up losing to a Brazilian team in an incomprehensible way.
This year, he didn't even qualify for the Libertadores


Exactly!!!!
I'm following this championship and I believe we will have another victory here. But, that's a topic for another topic (is there a topic about Sul-Amerciana here?).

Ah... I've been reading that this year Conmebol will pay the biggest prize in the world for a competitive tournament... no less than US$ 23,000,000

Good luck to everyone!

Today I was thinking about watching the international game for the CONMEBOL Sudamericana cup, but I looked at the time the game was going to take place and I almost couldn't believe it... It will start at 11pm. There will be time to watch the Libertadores games.

Does anyone know if there is a topic about the CONMEBOL Sudamericana cup, I'm thinking about creating one.

I think it's very hard to predict this games while they are in group stages but yesterday Bolivar were favorites against Flamengo and they won. I agree with altitude when you play football as it's not great at all to to have fresh air , especially when you're not used to it. However ,I do enjoy watching this games with native commentary as that is the way you can feel the true South American football passion and I love when they scream "goal" for more than 40 seconds 

It's funny because every year we have the same problems hahaha
Look at my thread of Libertadores 2023: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5447531.80

The altitude, especially in games in Bolivia, becomes a frequent discussion, and especially for Brazilian teams, since we don't have that kind of terrain here
The Libertadores is very special because of this kind of rivalry, the altitude, the famous Argentinian and Uruguayan "catimba", the crowded La Bombonera (of Boca Juniors), etc.

If they had won I am sure no one would say a thing about such altitude as what is important in the end of the day are the three points.I think Flamengo needs to do better as in the new Serie A in Brazil are looking relatively in good performance and for sure the Brazilian league is of better quality than the Bolivian league.I think it was a surprise result that Flamengo lost and complaining about high altitude is just a justification to them not being able to win the game.

There are 4 Libertadores matches today, take a look at the odds

If you believe in the Brazilian teams, you have a good chance of making some money
I'm thinking of betting on São Paulo and Fluminense to win, but I'm betting low since the Brazilian teams have started very badly in the Libertadores.



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Will anyone be placing any bets today?

The Libertadores games are very difficult, the teams give their all, especially because a player doing well in this championship can get good contracts, salary increases, everything is possible financially, money moves the world, right? lol

Yesterday Flamengo lost playing in Bolivia... and as always the players complaining about playing at altitude (3600m above sea level), if they had won, would they complain that much?

It's been a long time since I watched a Libertadores game, yesterday I watched Estudiantes x Gremio in Group C and what a game it was. It wasn't easy at all, but Gremio won 1-0 away from home and with one player less from the start of the second half and thus remained in contention within the group. Today I intend to watch the Flamengo game.

I think your way of thinking makes sense, when they reach a European team they are just “one more”, so they have to work hard to have “their place in the sun”, unlike what happens when they are in leagues in their countries of origin, countries where they are already considered stars and most of the time they have no competition... In Europe they have to show their service, otherwise they are left out, unlike what happens in other leagues.

You got both your predictions right, Atlético and Cerro Porteno won 


In today's matches we have Botafogo vs LDU at altitude, I think LDU wins... and also Palmeiras vs Liverpool in São Paulo, I believe Palmeiras will win without any major difficulties....

Any guesses for the other games?

wow, good thinking!
I didn't remember that Flamengo's game was broadcast on TV Globo.
But anyway, it was an excellent game for Flamengo who had an easy victory against Palestino. Sao Paulo also stood out and beat Cobresal.

I'm looking forward to watch the Palmeiras game tomorrow, I have no doubt it will be an exciting game to watch.

what is even stranger is that these same players from South America who have been playing in the South American leagues and play in a strangely elegant way in the leagues of their countries and go to Europe, they start to play very well in Europe and even run very. This is something I always ask myself because they don't try very hard in the South American leagues and when they are playing for European teams they play very well. Maybe because in Europe they realize that there are many other good players and if they try hard they can have a lot of fame and money so they try hard to play well. I could be wrong in my way of thinking

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Atlético - Rosario

This is a game in which Atletico will play at home and they need to take advantage of this advantage. In the last 10 games Atletico lost in just 1 game. I don't know how difficult the games were or not, but it's a fact that they only had 1 defeat in the last 10 games. while their opponent in the last 10 games they lost in 5 games. and comes into this game with a defeat. I think that in this game Atletico will win, the odds for Atletico to win are 1.45, I still see it as a low odds. but if it was above 1.70 I would probably bet on Atletico.

Cerro Porteño - Alianza Lima

This is a very complicated game to predict the result, both teams are coming off a defeat in that competition. Cerro Porteño are doing well in the Paraguayan league, in the last 5 games they have only had 1 defeat and are in second place in the table, they are a candidate for the Paraguayan league title at the moment, maybe later things will change and they will not be candidates to the title. while in the case of Alianza Lima, in the last 5 games they only had 2 victories, they have already gone through bad times when they had a sequence of 3 defeats, but from what I see they managed to recover and have two consecutive victories and in the league Peru, they still have a chance to fight for the title. In my opinion, Cerro Porteño will win this game

Fluminense had a very difficult game against Colo-Colo, as current champions, they will be the team to beat, everyone will want to know exactly how Fluminense behaves on the field.

And what a beautiful goal Fluminense's first was, it even reminded me of my goals playing FIFA 22 lol

I'm going to take advantage of the fact that I'm a little sick and I'm not going to the gym and try to watch tomorrow's games, Flamengo will be broadcast on TV Globo

The second round of the Libertadores group stage has already started.

Fluminense had a great victory against Colo-Colo and took first place in Group A of the Libertadores.

Later we will have Flamengo x Palestino game and also Sao Paulo x Cobresal.
And tomorrow we will have some interesting games, such as Palmeiras x Liverpool and River Plate x Nacional.

Is anyone else watching some games!?

There is also the season for the South American teams that starts well before the Brazilian championship, so while the Brazilian teams are playing pre-season and state championships, the other teams have already been playing in the main league for at least 2 months... for the pace of the game this makes all the difference

Hmm...that's an interesting question.
I believe there are some variables that may have affected the performance of some teams, for example the start of the championship.
As there are teams from different countries in South America, each one has a "different playing style", different stadiums and sometimes the altitude can be a problem for some teams that are not used to playing at high altitudes.

I imagine that during the championship the teams may get used to it and their performance may improve, especially the Brazilian teams.

I also thought that São Paulo would beat this team, I still think that Brazilian teams don't know very well how their South American opponents play, so they have a lot of difficulty, even against a team that isn't doing very well (which isn't the Telleres case).

What will be missing? because as @rdluffy said, only Atlético MG had a good result... is there a lack of study of opponents? perhaps some deficiency in the scouting teams of the Brazilian teams, identifying the possible weaknesses of the opponents and training this before the matches.

Sometimes I confess that I am impressed by Sao Paulo's performance.
I had expectations that he could beat Telleres in this last Libertadores game, but that didn't happen. After the game, I carried out a "quick search" and saw that Telleres is performing well in the Argentine championship so far. I believe this is enough to show the quality and good performance that Telleres had playing against Sao Paulo.
Let's see how these teams will perform in the next games.

By the way, congratulations and thanks for creating this topic @criptoevangelista
I have no doubt that the Copa Libertadores is a very well-known and competitive championship. I hope this all generates a lot of discussion on the Gambling Discussion board

Yes I am from Venezuela, however I do not follow regional matches as much as I do with international ones or those which are supposed to face national selections against each other.
I am trying to keep my expectations low, our country does not have an history of being able to qualify to World Cups. It is a very different situation from what we see from countries like Brazil or Argentina, whose qualifications are almost taken from granted.

I believe we are reached a point were, even though we would like to qualify to the world cup, it has been literal decades we have had underperforming when compared to other football clubs in Latin America.
Whatever happens, it does not mean one cannot take these occasions to try to pocket some money thanks to sport betting and the liquidity offered by latin American markets on Football. This market may be one of the biggest ones in that regard.

It's nice, you're Venezuelan
The national team has a good chance of qualifying for the 2026 World Cup, you must be excited...
...and that could reflect on the Libertadores campaign too

The big problem here is that both Deportivo Táchira and Caracas are in very difficult groups with very traditional Libertadores opponents, such as River Plate, Nacional, Peñarol and Atlético MG, but both teams have chances

Of the Brazilian teams, only Atlético MG managed a good result in the first round.
Is it just the first round, due to nerves, or could Brazil's dominance come to an end this year? hehehe

That shot on goal was horrible, really bad...

I find it impressive that a professional player makes this mistake, after all he trains every day, he is accompanied by professionals from the most diverse areas of the sport, this player's only concern is playing ball, everything else has someone doing for him. .. and the individual misses the shot, any small child playing football in the street would score that goal... Very bizarre.

I hope that in the next rounds the level of football improves, because as you said, it was very bad. But the intensity of Europe is something that won't happen in the Libertadores, the style is very different, South American teams don't have the tactical quality of European teams.


I don't follow football in Venezuela much, do the teams from your country that are in this Libertadores have a chance of standing out in the championship?

To be honest, I just want to see my country (Venezuela) to shine a bit in this incoming Copa Libertadores. Historically, we have never performed well in football, but lately our team has managed to score some good points, special in the the end of the 2023. (Mano, tengo fe).
If my country managed to win the cup, together with the right to participate in the next football world cup, it would be beyond amazing. All this country would be full of marketing looking forward to it.

However, I would not be surprised Argentina managed to over perform again as the champions of the world they are, and managed to secure this cup as well. Time will tell. The only sure thing is I am planning to bet some bucks on this edition. 

Awesome result for Junior yesterday and well debut with 3 points in a group that is very balanced.

Right now , I'm watching Rosario - Penarol and even if Rosario had a great first half and played great football , Penarol is having a great run lately and I would be surprised if they won't score and then maybe play for a draw.

It seems that the Brazilian teams were unlucky in this round, Flamengo drew in the game against Millionaires, in a game in which the Millionaires player received a red card in the 61st minute and thanks to that, Flamengo benefited from a penalty and scored a goal. , but even though Flamengo was playing with 11 players while their opponent was playing with only 10 players, Flamengo still couldn't win that game, they conceded 1 goal and the game ended in a draw, Flamengo played very badly, There's no quality, the way they played was horrible, when I see this kind of thing:



the Flamengo player simply wasted a clear opportunity to score a goal because he is not a player with good foot technique, that is the problem currently in America, in the past we saw many good players leaving America for Europe, today we are seeing a great reduction in the quality of players from America, it can be seen that in many leagues there are few Brazilian players when compared to the past where Brazilian players were always highlighted.  I wonder how far Flamengo will go with this low level? One thing I'm convinced is that Flamengo won't get far in this competition and when I say far I mean reaching the semi-finals and finals

fluminense draw
Palmeiras draw
Flamengo draw

We will see in the next rounds if these Brazilian teams will have better results, but it seems to me that this competition needs to improve a lot in the quality of the players, from what I could see of these games, they looked like games involving teams from Africa. they are competing with the level of teams from the 2nd division of England, perhaps even the level of teams or league from the second division of England is better. I could see situations in which the referee ignored, the games themselves were slow, they didn't have that level of intensity that you see in European football

You were quicker than me to create the Libertadores thread hahaha
People outside South America have no idea what the Libertadores feels like, and they don't pay much attention, they only look at the European leagues

Only the Libertadores provides memorable matches between Argentinians and Brazilians, or Brazilians and Uruguayans
Games at altitude in Bolivia, difficult games for any Brazilian at La Bombonera packed with Boca Juniors fans, the terror it was for the Brazilians to play against Riquelme etc
Not to mention the matches with countless fouls, expulsions hahaha

This year I'm still studying the favorites, does anyone here already have an opinion on the bets?

Yes, several surprises, I didn't bet on these matches, but if I had, I would certainly have lost money...

I think that when teams debut they are not yet adapted to playing against other teams from different countries, despite being in the same region, it completely changes the way they play... Libertadores matches are much more tense than in local championships.

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Be surprised to see Paraguayan striker Roque Santa Cruz still active, he is at Libertad in this Libertadores... he is currently 42 years old. He is a legend in Paraguay and the Paraguayan national team's top scorer

he gave a recent interview to a Brazilian website

https://ge.globo.com/sp/futebol/libertadores/noticia/2024/04/03/vovo-libertadores-aos-42-anos-artilheiro-paraguaio-nao-pensa-em-adeus-e-diz-que-hoje-se-diverte.ghtml (in portuguese)

I was always a fan of Junior team from Columbia and I think this year they do have a great chance to reach semi-finals but that also depends if Bacca will be able to score a lot not just in Primera Columbia but also in Libertadores.

Last night was full of surprises right ? with late goals in both Cobresal and Flamengo games + Gremio who wasn't able to score even if they played decent.

Yes, it is very competitive, despite Brazilian teams winning in recent years, the vast majority of games are very competitive and exciting, it is very difficult, for example, to play at the altitude of Bolivia (4000m), or to play in la bombonera.
 
The rivalry is very strong in In South America, this championship is the one that has the greatest weight for a fan of these teams, it is worth more than the national title.



I'm following Flamengo, who yesterday in their debut, even with one more player, conceded the draw to Millonarios in Bogotá-COL, the teams feel the effects of altitude very much. Bogotá is 2,625 m above sea level.... imagine playing sports at such an altitude

The tournament is very competitive? for real? if it was very competitive we should see champions from different leagues almost every year. Just FYI, Brazil has dominated this championship for the past 5 years, and the last team other than Brazilian teams to win was River Plate from Argentina.


I go to Fluminense & Palmeiras .

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The 2024 Copa CONMEBOL Libertadores is the 65th edition of the CONMEBOL Libertadores (also referred to as the Copa Libertadores), South America's premier club football tournament organized by CONMEBOL. The competition began on 6 February and the final is scheduled to be played on 30 November 2024 in Buenos Aires, Argentina.[1][2]

The winners of the 2024 Copa Libertadores will earn the right to play against the winners of the 2024 Copa Sudamericana in the 2025 Recopa Sudamericana. They will also automatically qualify for the 2024 FIFA Intercontinental Cup, the 2025 FIFA Club World Cup and the 2025 Copa Libertadores group stage.

Fluminense are the defending champions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Copa_Libertadores


GROUP A

* Alianza Lima
* Cerro Porteño
* Colo-Colo
* Fluminense

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GROUP B
   
* Barcelona de Guayaquil
* Cobresal
* São Paulo
* Talleres

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GROUP C

*Estudiantes
*Grêmio
*Huachipato
*The Strongest

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GROUP D

*Botafogo
*Junior Barranquilla
*LDU
*Universitario

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GROUP E

*Flamengo
*Millonarios
*Bolívar
*Palestino

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GROUP F
   
*Independiente del Valle
*Liverpool-URU
*Palmeiras
*San Lorenzo

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GROUP G

*Atlético-MG
*Caracas
*Peñarol
*Rosario Central

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GROUP H
   
*Deportivo Táchira
*Libertad
*Nacional-URU
*River Plate

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The first games of Libertadores 2024 begin today (april 02), the biggest tournament in South America, guarantees a place in the FIFA Club World Cup!

Generally, the tournament is very competitive and brings out the best in South American football.

I created this topic so we can discuss this incredible championship... So, who's your favorite team?