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Topic: Cons of card undervolting ? (Read 988 times)

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January 20, 2014, 01:09:02 AM
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Generally, it'd be most electricity-efficient (though possibly less "MTBF-efficient") to increase voltage and drop current. Unsure if this is significant with low voltages in DC components. However, it's now much more possible to do by increasing voltage and dropping "power tune" in the newer AMD cards.

You can't drop the current directly, a GPU operating at maximum hashing speed (not maximum clocks per se, as already pointed out) needs a certain voltage to be stable. What we can optimize is the lowest possible voltage at which it does that. When we drop the voltage, it reduces the leakage of the chip which then in turn leads to less power being drawn. In effect, the input current is reduced considerably but indirectly. Throttling the current via powertune will seriously impact the chip's performance so that's no good in our case.

I have my R9 290s hashing at 805 kh/s instead of 875 because the difference is 75 watts per card. Not worth it for me. 911/1250 clocks at 1.00V on the GPU draws 150W on my watercooled card and 170W on the aircooled ones. Nice and efficient. My 7970s are doing 700 kh each at around 150W in a cold room. These are DC input wattages based on the VRM input current.

I could make a few percent more money at today's rates but after electricity the difference really is almost negligible, and the cards are much happier running cooler.
legendary
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January 19, 2014, 10:51:18 PM
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and what are the power savings?
On our 5x 280x rig, we undervolted from 1.13V to 1.01V. Total power draw for the entire rig dropped from 1450W to 1250W. That's a 200W savings, which is 40W per card. Temps dropped quite a bit lower, too.

If your stock voltage is higher than ours of 1.13, like say 1.20 or 1.25, you're going to notice bigger drops, both in power, and temps. Now 1.01V is pretty low. I think most people can expect a range of 1.05, 1.07, or 1.09V. Still, you're talking about difference of 30W or more per card.

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January 19, 2014, 01:21:15 PM
#9
There is no damage being done to your cards if you undervolt. OVERvolting can and will cause more damage than normal.

The only downside is that if you undervolt too low, you will run into stability issues. The lower your undervolt, the less you will be able to overclock. Manufacturers keep the stock voltage relatively high, because they want to play it safe, while still giving people room to overclock. Undervolting lowers both of those limits.

On our 280x at stock volts, we used to be able to OC to upwards of 1150MHz. Don't really know how high it was capable of cuz we didn't really push it. Now that it's undervolted, it craps out at 1080MHz. Well, we only run them at 1040MHz, so we don't need them to go that high, so it works out great.

and what are the power savings?
legendary
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January 19, 2014, 12:25:38 PM
#8
There is no damage being done to your cards if you undervolt. OVERvolting can and will cause more damage than normal.

The only downside is that if you undervolt too low, you will run into stability issues. The lower your undervolt, the less you will be able to overclock. Manufacturers keep the stock voltage relatively high, because they want to play it safe, while still giving people room to overclock. Undervolting lowers both of those limits.

On our 280x at stock volts, we used to be able to OC to upwards of 1150MHz. Don't really know how high it was capable of cuz we didn't really push it. Now that it's undervolted, it craps out at 1080MHz. Well, we only run them at 1040MHz, so we don't need them to go that high, so it works out great.
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January 19, 2014, 12:20:28 PM
#7
I have a hard time believing hash rate increased with undervolting. If anything happens to hash rate it should drop some, otherwise it will stay the same.

Cons might be risk of messing up a BIOS if you underclock by flashing it. You may see stability issues with the rig as well.

Uh, no.

Many of my old 7950s, used for LTC mining are equipped with F43 bios and undervolted to 1.09 with an intensity of around 18.

They hash quite a bit faster than with stock bios and voltages.

My $.02.

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January 19, 2014, 11:56:32 AM
#6
Generally, it'd be most electricity-efficient (though possibly less "MTBF-efficient") to increase voltage and drop current. Unsure if this is significant with low voltages in DC components. However, it's now much more possible to do by increasing voltage and dropping "power tune" in the newer AMD cards. Have not seen testing on it, and I don't fully understand what the Hell "power tune" is doing.... I don't *think* it's adjusting clock rates automatically, but maybe I'm wrong.

Worth noting Scrypt mining is exceptionally finicky. Voltage shouldn't have any significant impact (unless you have cgminer or something else controlling clock speeds based on VRM temperature), but it's very possible to run at a higher hashrate at slightly lower clocks than the cards' max stable clocks, particularly with memclock (in my 280s, 1500MHz memclock gives significantly superior hashrate than anything above [and is far superior than running memclock at stock 1400MHz] - even 1505MHz causes a significant hashrate drop).
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January 19, 2014, 11:46:34 AM
#5
You hashrate does not really increase because of the undervolting. What it does is keeping the card cooler (lower voltage=less heat), and a cooler card can perform a little better.

For example, one of my 5870s got really hot (>90C) sometimes, which caused the fan to go crazy (constantly spin up/down, so lots of noise), and made the hashrate lower. Sometimes the hashrate even dropped to 100kh or something when the overheating protection kicked in. With undervolting this card I can keep it at ~80C, so the hashrate and noise is stable now. Also the total power consuption for my dual 5870 system dropped from ~500W to ~400W with undervolting (50W per card!).

And the con? If you undervolt to much, the card will not perform well. When I undervolted to much, I got random drops in GPU load, with sometimes GPU load even dropping to 0. This lowers your average hashrate (not your peak hashrate).

Allrighty, thanks for the information! Is 10% undervolt considered to be too much?

Really depends on the card. Experiment a little, and keep an eye on your hashrate and gpu load (in GPU-z). My cards are currently running at 1.01V and 1.05V, and the stock setting is around 1.16V.
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January 19, 2014, 11:29:43 AM
#4
You hashrate does not really increase because of the undervolting. What it does is keeping the card cooler (lower voltage=less heat), and a cooler card can perform a little better.

For example, one of my 5870s got really hot (>90C) sometimes, which caused the fan to go crazy (constantly spin up/down, so lots of noise), and made the hashrate lower. Sometimes the hashrate even dropped to 100kh or something when the overheating protection kicked in. With undervolting this card I can keep it at ~80C, so the hashrate and noise is stable now. Also the total power consuption for my dual 5870 system dropped from ~500W to ~400W with undervolting (50W per card!).

And the con? If you undervolt to much, the card will not perform well. When I undervolted to much, I got random drops in GPU load, with sometimes GPU load even dropping to 0. This lowers your average hashrate (not your peak hashrate).

Allrighty, thanks for the information! Is 10% undervolt considered to be too much?
sr. member
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January 19, 2014, 11:23:37 AM
#3
You hashrate does not really increase because of the undervolting. What it does is keeping the card cooler (lower voltage=less heat), and a cooler card can perform a little better.

For example, one of my 5870s got really hot (>90C) sometimes, which caused the fan to go crazy (constantly spin up/down, so lots of noise), and made the hashrate lower. Sometimes the hashrate even dropped to 100kh or something when the overheating protection kicked in. With undervolting this card I can keep it at ~80C, so the hashrate and noise is stable now. Also the total power consuption for my dual 5870 system dropped from ~500W to ~400W with undervolting (50W per card!).

And the con? If you undervolt to much, the card will not perform well. When I undervolted to much, I got random drops in GPU load, with sometimes GPU load even dropping to 0. This lowers your average hashrate (not your peak hashrate).
legendary
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January 19, 2014, 11:11:22 AM
#2
I have a hard time believing hash rate increased with undervolting. If anything happens to hash rate it should drop some, otherwise it will stay the same.

Cons might be risk of messing up a BIOS if you underclock by flashing it. You may see stability issues with the rig as well.
newbie
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January 19, 2014, 11:07:52 AM
#1
I've seen people saying that after undervolting their cards hashrate increased + power usage dropped. Where are the cons?
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