Topic: Conversion from Self-Mod to normal thread (Read 274 times)

There you go LoyceV. theymos can do it anywhere if he wants. It makes sense.

I was just commenting on how it wouldn't be good if moderated topics could be converted to self-moderated ones. I was not implying that you were wrong in anyway, but just what I would have done, that's why I used the word 'self-centered' for myself. Other members can be self-centered, change moderated thread to self-moderated thread and delete some replies that is not satisfying them. What is quality enough and right that's worth no deletion can be deleted. So, if a topic is self-moderated, people would have known right from the start to either post there or not.

I made mistake like this and I agree that a window to switch topic mode from non-self-moderated to self-moderated is very helpful. Without it, I have to move mistakenly published topic to Archival, and create a new one.

I agree too. I realized my mistake after I published it. Within less than 20 seconds too but even 1 or 2 seconds, it is too late.

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If you reported my post, you should report the post of ranochigo.

There are newbies on this forum that only want to scam, you will see them manipulating just a thread, before you will know, they might create a moderated thread first, then later change it to self-moderated, scammers can use this as a new means to illicit their plans.

There are reported cases of some members' posts deletion by the self-moderated thread creators, even I have seen one or two of this complaints since I started posting on this forum. This will be worse if moderated threads can become self-moderated just as you commented too.

But one of the main good reasons this would not be good is when another member is not posting what the OP is expecting. Just like what has happened between tranthidung and I before. I am one of the members that like corrections on this forum which really helped me right from the start.

You can check this thread:
RBF vs CPFP

tranthidung was right but also likely have another reason which is residing in him to be later making off-topic corrections which can not help me in anyway.


But, yet, I do not know when my post get bulky even up till now, especially my topics. I reported the post for deletion but modetor did not delete it. If I was able to convert that topic to self-moderated one, I would have edited his post and delete the part I quoted above and leave the rest without even thinking about it twice, but it will only be for my self-centered reason. Most or many people will misuse this, it will later result to people complaining about such deleted post while many can be useful, which will be a good reason moderated threads can not be a self-moderated ones because the harm will be more than the good. Some people will even only want to use it to harm some users that they do not just like on this forum when they are no more active/posting on this forum.

And as we know also that some people do not post in self-moderated threads which can still be because of good reasons.

This is already a fix for a previous problem: it used to be possible to create a self-moderated topic, and keep that status when you move it to a board that doesn't allow self-moderation. That loophole got fixed by removing the self-mod status when moved to such a board.
I tried to find theymos' post about this, but can't find it back.

I think it is reason on which theymos decided to not allow the switch from non-self-moderated topics to self-moderated topics. I saw projects that have non-self-moderated topics that try to lock them and created a new one, self-moderated of course.

Despite of the restriction to prevent any abuse from scammers, I think the opposite conversion is good: self-moderated topics to non-sel-moderated topics. I don't see people have bad intention when they do such conversion.

As discussed above, there is method to do such conversion unofficially but if possible, it's better if the forum allows to do it officially, without step to move topics back and forth between boards.

I hope that will never happen! I don't want random users to have delete-access on any post I ever made in their topic. It would also greatly benefit scammers.

That's easy to fix: create a new thread, tick the self-mod box, wipe the old thread, and move it to Archival.

In my experience, 20 seconds would be enough to realize I forgot to self-mod the thread.

Users should know what they're up against before posting in a topic. That's why any self-moderated thread shows this warning:
If it's changed afterwards, this warning makes no sense anymore.

Huh, that's interesting.  I wasn't aware of that, but I guess it makes sense.

This is one of those things that should probably be made a new feature on the forum, the ability to switch back and forth between moderated/unmoderated threads.  It would probably piss a lot of people off if members started switching normal threads to self-moderated ones and deleted all the posts, but I don't know how many times I've meant to create a self-modded thread and forgot to.  It really would be nice to be able to switch, even if there were a time limit for a member to do so, e.g., you can't change a thread to self-moderated more than a day after it was started or whatever.

Don't know how much additional coding would have to go into a change like that, but if it's easy enough to do....why not do it?

A member that do not want to make use of his Bitcointalk's account anymore can want to make all his self-moderated threads to become moderated ones, such member can think his account can be compromised in a way his self-moderated threads can be manipulated by such bad actor.

Yes, but which is not possible than to create a new topic which is self-moderated.

Thanks for the advice LoyceV.

I did not mean to abuse Meta board for this purpose. It is my example because I only know Meta board does not allow self-moderated topics. The announcement thread for self-moderated option from theymos revealed that there are a few sections (boards) in which self-moderated option is not allowed. I don't know others beyond Meta. Anyway, now I know two boards at least: Meta & Archival. 

More important, I think the most common situation is when people want to convert non-self-moderated topic to self-moderated.

You shouldn't (ab)use Meta for this: Archival is the place to be to get rid of self-mod status.

I understand why someone would want to convert a regular thread in a self-moderated thread, but I see no point in doing it the other way around. If your thread is already self-moderated, why would you want to change that? Keeping it self-moderated gives your greater control and the ability to delete spam posts, messages by trolls, and off-topic replies. I can't see a flaw in having a self-moderated thread honestly. 

Or just close the thread or more move it to archive board and just create a new one, no need of extra actions from the mods.

While there's no normal way to change those two but there's only possible ways the one mentioned by tranthidung (bit complex) and by theymos.

Only the admin theymos can turn a thread from regular to self mod after it has been made, but there needs to be a very good reason for that, and also you cannot act on posts made before the thread was converted as those users did not subscribe to be moderated by other users;

The only way to turn off self mod would be the option suggested by tranthidung

This rule also applies to your issue.


If you think that the thread you have created is a mistake, you can just report your own thread and note to moderator to delete it.

• You must choose the Additional options (for non-Meta board, example Beginners & Help): choose it as self-moderated, when you create your topic.
• If you did not choose this option when you create your topic, you can not turn it on later.
• However, if you have a self-moderated topic, you can move it to Meta board and it will lost the self-moderated option. It is the one-way process, and you can got turn it on again even if you move your topic back to Beginners & Help, ie.

No you can't, I have tried it myself.

When you want to create new thread there is an additional options to check self moderated option, but if you want to edit you will not find the self moderated option either self mod or normal thread.

Add conversion from self mod to normal thread or vice versa is bad idea, troller and scammer can made normal thread then convert to self mod in order to delete all users post and hide a proof of scamming.

I created a self moderated thread. Is it possible that i convert it into normal thread.
Also if i can convert my normal thread into self moderated one ?