Topic: Cooperation in trading crypto (Read 211 times)

I certainly can't prove how much our team's time will be worth by saying the texts here. I don't expect anyone to trust my words by saying my words. If you are looking for a reason, the only way is to test. If we have a conversation here for hours, no result will be achieved, but if you have a trial period with us, you will be able to make better judgments and conclusions.

Anyway, I understand you to some extent. When $10,000 a year is a big number to you, then your mental horizons are limited. I think you are unaware of the compound effect. With $10,000 in a year, you can expect over $500,000. Pay attention to the calculations:
10000 x 1.0136^(290)=502000

I really laugh at the "the one who spent time" part . Like how seriously are you taking yourself that you equal the person who lost his money to your lost time? You must think that your time is worth a ton if you think it is equal. Why would a person agree that his money and you are time are equal worth?

If the person loses 10 thousand dollars from trading in a year, and you spent 1000 hours on it, then you think that your time worths 10 dollars an hour, why would someone agree to that? Why would I think that your time worths 10 dollars per hour? For me, maybe I think your time worths 5 cents per hour? How can you provide proof of that? Can you provide me prof that you can find a job that pays you 10 dollars an hour, for a full year? I doubt that.

I have looked at the issue from the customer's point of view, that's why I have given the opportunity to test and trial period. Time is less important for new traders as they are learning and gaining experience. But once a trader achieves acceptable and reasonable profitability, time will be valuable.

The ratio expressed is an average. It can certainly be more than that, but the system of capital management and risk management tells us that continuous and stable profits are better than high profits with large losses. Note that the effect of compound interest should not be neglected and in the period of 3-6 months the profit will be more than expected.

As for the workplace, the team is in an office under my supervision. However, these secondary and marginal questions do not affect the main topic. The best way to conclude something is to test it.

This offer is for those who are interested in investing in crypto and have excess capital, but do not have the desire or ability or enough time to trade.

Try to be more realistic, which trader still considers time as a risk that can be avoided? Because it is an inherent risk whether you trade independently or collaboratively. You have to think from the customer's perspective.

Seriously, in the crypto market? does it even take up your time?

Again, WHERE IS YOUR TEAM?

Does any corperation works better for the two parties involved than when you make your own personal trading and focus on learning how to do it all yourself, those that are into this kind will first considers their own personal interest before yours being included, wether you win or you loose, their first intention will be to make money at your expense without knowing wether you are earning or loosing, this is strictly a means of having business, but we can also make decisions on doing it by ourselves.

Thank you. We have tested various strategies over the past several years and our current strategy has achieved high stability and acceptable profitability while having a controlled risk. We are so sure of our performance that we have included the possibility of testing and trial investment before starting the cooperation. It does not mean that all our trades are always winners, the important thing is that the profits are much more than losses.

Most of your statement will be answered and assessed here during your execution but if you are not quite confident with your trading journey you can make a decision to use the demo trading even pros and newbies using this to check out there newly acquired knowledge, strategy or what kind of new thing they want to perform and verify the accuracy of winning and lessen the risk before they make a decision to adopt really in the actual trading. Don't get down with the mistakes its charge to experience, but make sure you learn from those and not keep doing the same thing.

In this cooperation, one team shares its time and another person shares its capital. If there is a loss, the time spent on trading is wasted, as well. If you think that money is the only important factor, yes, it is not a fair cooperation, but if the time spent by people in this work is valuable, then it is a fair cooperation.

As I have mentioned in a few previous posts, we have included a kind of capital management in our strategy, so that the risk is minimal in each trade, as a result the profit is also low. But with a higher number of trades by our team, we increase the cumulative profit in a day. Currently, the average daily profit of our team is about 1.36% of the total capital. If trading is done 20 days a month, the compound profit will be about 31%, half of which belongs to the investor.

What about the losses? Surely there's no sharing of losses, right? This is not fair cooperation.


Where is your team?

This is just an expected ratio but you won't be fixated on this, you're not using your own money and you're free to take any level of risk (that is if you're legit).

It's better to consolidate all of your replies into one post because a mod is likely to do that if you won't do. Actually, this isn't about working with people but working with the money that will be allowed for you to use. I don't see a sense of it if you can make winnable trades, why there's a need to cooperate with other people. I won't even put it on public that I am the best profitable trader in the town and will keep digging the holes and caves of the exchanges until I become rich quietly.

$1k or less than that isn't a small one, maybe from where you are it is but mostly it's not. If I'd do that to a stranger, I'd rather learn with that amount with my own trades but then, that's just me.

For sure you are able to save and don't need the money of others.

As I said before, it is possible to do it with small money for testing. But to cooperate for a period of 3-6 months, working with amounts less than $5000 is not justified for me at all. I must add that I prefer to work with 4 people with a capital of $5000 instead of with 20 people with a capital of $1000. The reason is that the trades are not done by robots but by humans. Therefore, it is not possible to work with a large number of accounts.

I am the one who should laugh, not you. If I am willing to cooperate with an amount less than $1000, you will say that this amount is very small, why do you want to use the cooperation of others. Someone who has been trading for years and has reached enough skill, why should he spend his time for small amounts?

This is the first post in this thread that analyzes the issue in a logical way. Let's assume that I intend to launder money. Usually, such a person will not have the ability to trade and generate profit. While you will find out after 7 or 10 days. In addition, to perform money laundering, I can use exchanges such as MEXC or Coinex that do not require KYC and create a large number of accounts.
Ironically, my suggestion is not Binance exchange, but MEXC. Because this exchange has a maker fee of 0 and a ticker of 0.02%, while Binance has a maker fee of 0.02% and a ticker of 0.05%.

This offer is not for someone who has little capital. In general, in any type of investment, you should pay attention to the fact that you do not have the right to sell  things that are necessary for your life or borrow. In fact, investing is allocating part of the surplus capital to get more profit, and you must have risk management for that.
Regarding why there is a need for cooperation, I draw your attention to the fact that the purpose of human creation is social life. A person may have specialized ability but less capital and vice versa. There is no obstacle to mutual cooperation for common interests. For example, ETFs work with this view.

I have an idea for someone who is serious about cooperation. I can provide him an account of mine that contains funds. He can only trade in that environment. If he can withdraw the capital, that capital will be for him.

I understand that the number of scams has increased. But in my proposed plan, there is enough flexibility for the investor. I know that no cooperation can proceed without trust, but I ask you: if my proposed plan is real, what do you think should be done to achieve trust? Isn't testing with small amounts one of these ways? Maybe you have a better idea.

Instead of considering the whole of a proposal as bad, isn't it better to test it and then judge it fairly?

As I said before, it is possible to do it with small money for testing. But to cooperate for a period of 3-6 months, working with amounts less than $5000 is not justified for me at all. I must add that I prefer to work with 4 people with a capital of $5000 instead of with 20 people with a capital of $1000. The reason is that the trades are not done by robots but by humans. Therefore, it is not possible to work with a large number of accounts.

Our strategy is to make small profits with a large number of trades. Small profits reduce the risk and the high number of trades increases the cumulative profit. Most traders are looking to get big profits with a few trades, if they increase the risk by doing so.

I thought that you're giving some advise and tips to the traders here and to the aspiring ones as well. But after reading these questions and answers that you've got. Are you a profitable trader? if yes, there's no need for you to ask people to trade for them. That's a bad offer that everyone should avoid because if someone who's lack knowledge that these things shouldn't be patronized, they're going to lose their money from these likely scams. $5k for cooperation as minimum? LOL. That's easy money for you, do yourself a favor, trade today and make that much.

I am not talking about withdrawal, but what guarantees me that you will not use the account to launder money, as you can misuse the withdrawal restrictions, or in scam, such as going to Binance P2P and defrauding others as you are requesting full access to the account.
What you say is contrary to the terms of use for most services. In short, you are looking for someone who bypasses KYC restrictions for you and bear all the problems.

Then keep using your money to trade and leave other people alone, if you are as good as you claim to be then you do not need the money of anyone else, as you could sell some of your assets to fund your trading account, ask for a loan to a bank or simply use leverage and increase your profits this way.

What you are saying sounds like excuses because that is precisely what they are, and no one that values their privacy and their wealth will risk it over something like this.

Obviously, when you encounter this kind of person and the condition is like this, you should be aware of that, because the person you are talking to here is a scammer. Why would you create an account on an exchange if you told him the email and password you created?

Well, it's just common sense; why would they make an account when they can create one? The explanation seems simple: you opened a bank account; are you going to give your sensitive and important bank details to someone you don't know? Your money is inside your bank account; it's no different from opening your own account on well-known exchanges here in the crypto business.

This is scam at its finest. I hope people will not 'cooperate' with you as there are only two outcomes to this: people getting scammed, or people getting scammed while receiving a few payouts at best. I've been a part of these pump and dump groups before and this is not pretty. There is always someone who will have to pay the price in order to move forward the group's interest, and most of the time, it's the majority of the group who suffers while the coordinators and organizers get the profits alone.

You are too new to suggest this kind of coopereation.
$5000 for minimum plan. hmmmm! this is extortion and not cooperation. The goal of cooperation is to maximize benefits for both parties, but for this you want all the benefit first with the other person being sure of any benefit.

Cooperation is not always to everyone's good. As traders, care has to be taken before trusting any other trader who suggest cooperation, there can be other motives they have.

Definitely not. Pumping shitcoins requires a large amount of money at a given time, while trading is a continuous process. Anyway, I said the investor can test with little money. Actually, I am still trading with my own money, but this does not prevent me from using the joint investment option.
I repeat again that something that can be tested and checked should not be judged irrationally.

Nice try lol
I know what you are trying to do. You probably want to use the Victim's account to offload your bags of shitcoins, yes you may not be able to withdraw the funds, but you can still trade off the money for your shitcoin orders. I have seen this happen when API keys leaked on 3 commas.

Why don't you use your own money to trade if you are so skillful and experienced? Why aren't you a rich trader by now?

I agree that at first glance you may think this is a scam. But the truth of every word can be checked. The investor can see the status of his account at any time. As you know, tools like Google Authenticator will be needed to withdraw crypto. If someone has a serious intention to cooperate, he can test the issue for 1 week with a small amount and then proceed to enter the main capital.
However, it is unethical to pretend that something that can be investigated and tested is a scam without due diligence.

This is scam. In addition to the fact that you do not have to give a stranger the password, you are allowing them to use your account in which you have completed the KYC procedures. Any fraudulent behavior on this account will be linked to your personal card, and the matter may get worse than that, as it may be used for money laundering operations.
If they ask you for an API without withdrawal permissions, do not trust them. If they are serious, they will provide free trading videos while you follow the steps.

I suggest a plan to cooperation in trading crypto

•   How does it work?
   Briefly, it is a financial participation in trading in crypto-currency market. You involve your assets and we involve our experiences and time. So, the benefits are split 50/50.
   Let’s describe with an example. Suppose you want to apply for $10,000 and after a period, we will grow it to $13,000. So, the profit equals $3000, which 50% of it ($1500) belongs to you.

•   How can I trust you to give you my money?
   It doesn’t need to give us any money. We will trade with your money into your account. You should create an account in an exchange (Binance or OKex are recommended), then give us the account’s password in order to login and trade. Be aware, when you give someone the password, he can just login and do trade; not any withdrawals are possible. To withdraw, there are more security options like 2-FA and e-mail verification. So, you can only withdraw.

•   What about the profit ratio and risk?
   All of the financial markets, like stocks, forex, crypto, … are risky activities. You must note that when you want more income, you need to accept the risk. However, we try to manage the risk to achieve a positive performance. Our predicted ratio is about 10~15 percent per month.

•   How long does the plan take? Is it long-term or short?
   Actually, we are day traders. The period of each trade is usually 6~10 hours. So, the plan is short-term. But to achieve appropriate profit, we suggest at least a 6-month period. Note that there is no limitation to cancel the plan.

•   How can I test your performance?
   You can test the plan with a small amount of money (at least $1000) for 2 weeks. After that, you can add main assets.

•   Is there a minimum amount to apply the plan?
   Yes, the minimum amount to apply is $5000.

•   Do you use the robots for trading?
   No. In all accounts, human traders do trade. We don’t use robot trading neither copy trading.