Topic: CoronaVirus USA - Open by easter? (Read 853 times)

If Trump's thinking is like this then the virus will shout everywhere the planet and more people are going to be infected No work are going to be avoided lockdown That's why we should always not all support Trump's thinking. take care to follow the principles of the govt. If Trump opens Easter there'll be public outcry and that we will need to maintain social distance and stand back from public meetings to stop the virus from spreading more quickly.

I don't think Trump and his advisers see the real picture, people should have social distancing, but by making an announcement like this he will exposed those who do not have this virus to those infected and this will spike the number of casualties, he is going in a wrong direction it's more of wishful thinking than being realistic, he should change his stand or the situation will get worse.

more evidence is emerging that the coronavirus is way more widespread than we previously thought. this is only a small sample, so take it with a grain of salt, but now that china is officially counting asymptomatic cases, they seem to represent a staggering proportion of all cases:


https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1375

this gives some hope to the idea that society will achieve herd immunity much sooner than previously thought. we obviously need much more testing to confirm, but IMO the final numbers will be somewhere in the middle between the "everyone is already infected" and "mortality rates are like 4%" camps.

Of course it's important to them but it has become so mutated by greed that it serves no one other than those at the top. It costs the US taxpayer 2-3 times more per head than any free at point of use system and it totally dominates the lives of people who scrabble to afford it. It's the worst of all possible worlds beyond not having any at all.

And we're seeing that attitude trickle down into their response to this crisis. Check this - https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/status/1245906088911949826

Without denialists and profiteers I wonder how many more people could be saved.

By Easter we will literally be in the rising status just yet and not getting better. By comparison we are talking about this virus ending in all of USA by Easter which means everyone will be better and there will be a cure and so forth, but the reality will be number of people getting infected everyday will go up and number of people dying will keep going up.

USA is one of those nations where healthcare is not really that important to them, either its because of capitalist system being abused or some other reason, they basically live by not going to doctors as long as they are not forced to or have no other option, I mean sure you have to go to a hospital when giving birth but normally if you break your finger people ask themselves how much they need that finger unbroken. We will see a lot worse situations in USA than Italy if nothing gets done soon.

The last recommendation may have been prudent. People have been self-medicating with aquarium cleaner (and dying) because it has chloroquine in it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/24/coronavirus-chloroquine-poisoning-death/


It definitely infects the lungs, at least in severe cases. That causes an inflammation response, which makes it difficult to get enough oxygen.

Whatever the details are, it's bad news.

Hydroxychloroquine is already FDA-approved in the U.S., and there are doctors from Europe that stick to it as an effective treatment for COVID-19.

COVID-19 doesn't attack the lungs. It attacks the red blood cells, by making it lose the ability to carry Oxygen, and CO2, in and out of the lungs. According to new studies, Hydroxychloroquine prevents COVID-19 from being infective by making the cell organelles more alkaline, and it also fills the damage on the cell done by the virus.

It's the WHO, and China that have been giving the wrong information. They said, "it wasn't a pandemic", "masks were not required", and "don't use Hydroxychloroquine".

There is no way in any democratic country to have stores opened before Easter.
The infection curve looks bad in many nations and till a valid cure will be available they need to lock everything possible to decrease the number of infected people at the same time to be able to help to heal them up.

The best bet for a cure is vaccines that are already in test on animals or humans, we can have if we are lucky some vaccines in 6 months, hard to have something before but the hope is not lost.
A race to find the vaccine is on big Pharma are in the race for winning the billions at the price for the production of the vaccine.

Look at China they maybe have now a second wave of Corona and they closed for 3 months, a lot of countries look worse of them on the epidemic curve so the minimal time should be longer than the time required for China.

Trump himself isn't very religious, but his voters are. However, even islamic countries, which can easily be counted as the most religious countries in the world, are enforcing strict quarantine that includes their temples, so Trump should quit trying to earn votes and instead follow his duty as the president of the United States. The US and many other countries will have to keep the quarantine for at least this month, and maybe even for a part of the next month. If you quit too early, the virus will just start spreading again, I think there's already a second wave growing in China.

Well, probably it is a pronouncement of faith because they still count infection and death rate till date, though subsiding and very much under control. Donald Trump is such religious that he may also not want to deprive the faith believers their gathering, it will be very risky decision if the environment is not well under safety before announcing that, because open for one may be open for all.

True, if he still planning to do that probably the number of cases on the U.S will increase more thinking that U.S has the highest rate of cases worldwide followed by Italy. It is hard to decide right now, especially for President Trump but I think his plans on re-opening some companies is not a big help to reduce the number of cases in US, maybe it will help their economy to move again but for people it is a big NO. There is a lot of impact that might happen if he continue the plan. At this moment, we all know the COVID-19 is very dangerous and rapidly spreading so for me just stay at home for your family's safety and don't listen to other politicians who wants to manipulate us that everything will be alright in just a snap because that's not gonna happen knowing the virus. Maybe if all the people that are going back to work are already tested as negative, they can work free but it is still risky to roam outside, or simply to go outside because the places are not yet cleaned and disinfected. For now, I think he better keep he's decision straight and think about the people that will be affected before considering this plan.

This is a very optimistic forecast. There is too little time left before Easter and too sad results of the spread of the coronavirus infection. I think that the deadline for the end of the quarantine will be postponed several more times. Otherwise, you can not completely defeat this infection.

This is unfortunately a bitter truth, the man wanted to warn his country and the world, but he was not aware that the Communist Party of China do not like such heroes. In the fight against the virus, he too lost his life - so although it may sound inhumane, this may be better for him than ending up in some death camp.

And today I read that Trump blamed China for concealing real data, because that's what the most powerful secret agencies tell him - which is of course a classic political spin in the sense of "I had the wrong information - that's why I claimed the virus would disappear when the sun went out and the bees went fly from flower to flower ".

What most people do not want to accept is the fact that ordinary people have always been, and still are expendable. What's the difference in sending people to die in meaningless wars thousands of miles away from their homeland, and in fact that several hundred thousand would die from virus, and many of them will be elders, homeless, poor. American politics has always had money and profits first, then its citizens, and this situation is no exception.

So, nothing will happen before easter.

All around the world, everyone is canceling easter plans and even the most hardcore of churches, the Greek Orthodox Church is saying they will keep everything closed, and the orthodox easter is one week after, on the 19th.
As much as people tried to see in that date some miraculous turnaround point, it won't be that way.

Even Trump is backpedaling a lot lately:


Well, it started with a doctor being silenced for trying to warn the world, it will go like this till people will finally get fed up with it and ask for the changes needed to prevent these situations when country after country is taken by surprise while everybody could see the writing on the wall months ago.

open like they are ready to accept tourist again ?  or maybe you mean their people can live normally again ? but wont only accept visitors for a while ? because other countries are still ill.  they dont want to get infected again arent they ?

 its okay if they will end home quarantine by easter as long as all people on that country are already verified to be corona free  . look at china , i think china are already back again on the game along time ago

Of course, not. The future of Coronavirus in the USA is very delicate. For the good of all of us, I hope they manage to control the epidemic. Sadly, they are innocent lives that are being lost and that the pandemic of Covid19 will bring negative effects on a global level.

right, we must decide the development of the virus by sitting at home. so that we can immediately move quietly. we know this virus is very contagious, and this is a world war, with the same enemy, and therefore needed cooperation to help each other help

In just 4-5 days the number of confirmed infected has doubled from 100 000 to almost 200 000, and by all that is happening, the USA will be the largest COVID-19 battlefield. 30 states have introduced some adequate measures, but in the other 20, life is still going as the usual.

For all that is happening, Americans should thank their president, who has recently claimed that there will be no more than 15 cases of infection. Unfortunately, the reality is that politicians (who generally have no idea about anything) don't listen to scientists and doctors, and now we have a global result of their politics.

Looks like they might do it anyway: CDC considering recommending general public wear face coverings in public

Due to the shortage of surgical and N95 masks, they may recommend that people wear cloth and other DIY face coverings.

By Easter, nothing will be open, everything by and large is just beginning, and most likely, everything will have to sit at home, in April and May, and this is in the best case, otherwise there will be a high probability of getting another wave of infections.

The markets have already gone down a lot and some of the central banks are coming up with stimulus package and loan extension but the biggest question will be, when will we see everything back to normal, if the lock down is forced to continue for a few more months how will be able to cope up with the situation, things are not that great and the market will take a huge hit and i am expecting a major correction as the recession will hit us badly.

That's a hell of a conspiracy theory.

I don't believe they actually would have done that knowing how influenza travels / would affect other countries, including countries they are semi-financially dependent on. They're economy is taking a huge hit from this as well.


I don't believe the actual true facts regarding it's development will ever come to fruition. Nor will it be believed if it does.

I still have not seen legal news about a drug that can handle this pandemic because until now there is still confusion about the vaccine for the treatment of Covid-19. No one can conclude that the drug is except WHO who provides its clarification so there I will believe what is in remove from the WHO statement. We still have to fight pandemics no matter how, because this has paralyzed cities and thousands that are united throughout the world. Must keep a distance.

What is clear is that the Covid-19 pandemic started in Wuhan, China.

The president might have strategical concepts about getting rid of the virus, that is why he have said that. But, I don't think all is well when it Easter because the time frame is too short for the society to recover from the destructive pandemic and there are still no known cure for it. Let's hope for a good news next month.

Opening that early is I think not a smart decision though. They might regret it afterwards. Just saying... Or if they will open, they need to follow strict social distancing?? I guess.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/31/824155179/cdc-director-on-models-for-the-months-to-come-this-virus-is-going-to-be-with-us

so much for opening up by easter huh?

bad news everywhere. everyday it seems like there is a new "epicenter".....new york, florida, new orleans. i'm surprised the markets aren't crashing. i guess investors are still high from the promise of stimulus and bailouts?

China uses viruses to even the balance between the old and the young, they realized that the one-child policy is not suitable, so they lifted the ban on the second. The problem as always in stupidity, it is necessary not to destroy old people with viruses and not to occupy new territories, but to prohibit childbirth around the world so that old people become younger. There is no hood without good, any good is balanced by the recalculation of physics under the relevance of the application of good.

In my personal opinion one should not consume those medicines without medical advice, as we do not know if it could backfire on the person as each one has a different medical history. Furthermore we can bother about who started coronavirus later but right now all we need to do is sit in home tight and avoid going out, and let’s hope come May 1st this social distancing rules will end for good.

Sources:

https://fortune.com/2020/03/29/coronavirus-social-distancing-april/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/03/30/fda-approves-anti-malarial-drugs-chloroquine-and-hydroxychloroquine-for-emergency-coronavirus-treatment/#322a8835e5d1

I've been saying that for a while, that the original 3-4% mortality estimates were exaggerated by an order of magnitude. This thing has infected way more people than the official numbers recognize.

We're finally getting some confirmation about that. https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/health/coronavirus-lower-death-rate/index.html


There have been no completed clinical trials yet but:

There are people spreading information about Hydroxychloroquine, Zinc, and Azithromycin as an effective treatment for COVID-19 on social media. Is that fake news, or is that the cure that might beat the pandemic?

Plus, Chinese propaganda, https://twitter.com/kpags1/status/1244344145646440456

Who's fault is COVID-19 pandemic?

I don't honestly think the death rate is going to be as large as people make it out to be TBH. People are often comparing it to the flu which is over-diagnosed (there-by lowering the death rate percentage).. But at the same time Corona is under-diagnosed. I'm sure there have been plenty of people who have it, weren't able to get tested due to either limitations or difficulty in finding testing, recovered and weren't apart of the statistics.

It's an impractical dream, but I do feel like certain countries could do more (and I'm not naming the US here) to stop the spread. Enforcement of social distancing should be a further practice, unlike in countries like Canada where it's been mostly "recommended" up until this point.

I'm sure parts of the US are the same.

It is an impractical dream by the president to get everything back to normal and the experts said it best, the virus decides when everything will be back to normal, you really cannot predict what the situation will be, there are more than 150,000 patients in the USA and the health care authorities are predicting that we will see a death rate of around 100,000 people in the next few months and that is not a good sign to relax and expect that things are going to be alright in a short period. The next two months are crucial and if the spread can be controlled then it will be great for everyone, if not we will see hard times in the coming months.

I don't think the US will be back to normal by easter. Things will get far worse before they get better. Let's see how Donald Trump we be able to manover out of the mess he created when he downplayed the Covid-19 outbreak. I am really praying for the people. Things are likely to get very ugly pretty quick.

I do not think it is a good plan to open the country by Easter especially in some large cities like New York that are still recording massive cases. By the way, if there has been a drastic reduction in the case of the virus before Easter, maybe they can partly reopen for easter but it is not save especially in some densely populated area. We have heard cases of re-contraction of the virus due to carelessness. 

The latest whitehouse briefing extended measures for another 30 days and the president was quite emphatic about the importance of not prematurely declaring victory.  I'm happy to have had my expectations confirmed here.

When talking about President Trump, we must understand what is called geopolitical tightening & political tightening. The current condition of geopolitical tightening is Anglo American and its political tightening is a political alliance that is actually a partner country such as Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Australia, India, & Vietnam. Anglo Saxon and America or can be called anglo America want to rule the world by fighting the rest of the world. This is evident when America closed access to Europe except Britain, which means America is challenging continental Europe led by Germany. America also attacked Russia using a proxy war with Saudi Arabia as its pawn.

Currency wars, technological wars, trade wars fought by hegemon have changed the world geopolitical order, which in the end there is a new balance.

To smooth Trump's steps in the second period so that Trump can become a tool to dominate the world, the republic party scheduled many ways ranging from choosing Joe Biden, which was easier to defeat than Bernei Sanders, as his opponent & had to win the war with Russia, China and all of his crony states before the 2020 election is an absolute. So Hegemon chose biological warfare and was made worse by slamming crude oil prices. The peak of the war and the American ace in winning the war is the dollar reset value. and resetting the dollar value is very appropriate when the benchmark interest rate is 0%. The Fed has already given that signal, so we are just waiting for Trump's surprise in April.

Some people think that if Corona is America's biological warfare, why does this attack America so badly, it is only as war casualties. For the resolution of the Corona problem itself in the United States, I think it still takes a long time because the rising curve of corona sufferers in America is still steep. But reflecting on China now, they can be free from the coronavirus pandemic.

This for me is not only about economic recovery but the risk involved. If the virus is still around, it will still be a big challenge and it could get another pandemic outbreak. I guess Trump is eager to kick start the economy but is better to be cautious about the situation.

He chose a symbolic random date that has close to zero scientific data behind it, but, that's Trump.
Not going to argue about the reasons, we know we can't stay forever under lockdown, you can't quarantine 300 million for that long and expect when they come out everything to be fine, restarting an economy half or 3/4 shut down for that long will take a lot longer...

But the whole "easter" thing makes nonsense.
Unfortunately, some areas of the country have not yet seen the real numbers of the spread, even if you quarantine them now, there is no time till easter to eradicate the virus. And when people will come out of it and feel safe and travel much more than before, what we need is one case for a repeat.

A 2-3 months lockdown will not be possible, I'm out of self-isolation myself right now after a hell of two weeks and now that I'm free...well, I'm free to go to the supermarket and thank you god to take my kid out for a walk so he can unleash some of that infinite energy he has, but if this goes for more than 2 months I won't make it out of this sane.  Nor will my company with just the work from home scheme.

Till easter is too early, till May is too much, everything between is a gamble. But we're not talking about just money but also human lives.
No matter how you look at it, there is no decision that will be good for everyone.
 

It now has the world's highest number of cases. The death rate will surge soon unfortunately.

If I were running the US I see no reason why you wouldn't impose internal border controls. A lot of states have very, very few routes between them and they could be easily controlled and often have barriers in place already to check produce and trucks. There seems little point in making some guy sit in his cabin in Montana to save someone in LA. However that's all too late now.

If they had been put in place at the right time whole swathes of the US could operate relatively normally just as China did.

A shit ton will be learnt for when this happens again.

The USA shifted on top of the list in just a short span of time, Trump has so many bashers and getting less support fro his negligence.
I guess it's just his way of spreading hope even if it seems too late.  I just hope that it can happen. No one hopes for the worse.

COVID-19 is just start to do his work in the USA, Trump, as usual (as some others have realized) is talking about what his voters want to hear, and Easter is definitely too early for the pandemic to end and for life to return to normal. If we look at the chart, upward trajectory is start only before 2 weeks, and today we have 85 000+ infected, and NY is on top with 100+ deaths and more than 6000 new cases in 24 hours. USA is already now country with the highest number of infections achieved in less than 2 weeks.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

If we compare it to Italy which currently has 80 589 cases, and fact that things have gone worse from February 20, then we see that things are developing at a pretty high rate in the USA. I'm not sure what the measures (and if any) are in terms of restriction of movement (travel), but if the usual migrations occur before Easter, the virus will spread even faster.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

In general USA had not yet been hit most. Europe is a tiny bit a head and slowly number of infected will start declining, but number of hospitalised will keep increasing fro a week or two.   I believe some USA states will only now realise how serious it is and will close all not 100% needed services and force people stay at home.  

Politics are inseparable from the economy, especially in those cases where the measures taken to combat coronavirus directly affect it. Now the economy is stopping or slowing down significantly in development, and therefore the issue of combating the spread of coronavirus can be called political.
Trump's decision to abolish quarantine by Easter has a certain meaning, because the state suffers very large material losses every day, and the mortality from coronavirus is not so big. However, everything will depend on the extent of the spread of this pandemic, both within the United States and around the world.

I don't know--where I live, there are a lot of businesses that are still remaining open, including restaurants, gas stations, and even tobacco shops.  There's definitely a sense that things are a lot different out there, including store shelves which are almost empty, but so far it isn't too bad.  But again, that's where I live.  Other areas, other countries have been hit a lot harder.

As far as major improvement by Easter....that's optimistic.  I'd like to see it happen, but I'm not confident it will.  I can't stand Trump, but I'm not going to criticize him for his optimism.

LOL on Easter hospitalised covid-19 patients in USA will peak. Number of infected will start dropping, but what matters most are the ones in hospitals. And special the ones that will die. At Easter time will be many many deaths.

A vaccine is not effective on someone who is infected (or about to be infected). But it's going to take a long time to have a vaccine because vaccines are administered to healthy people so they must be very safe, so the fact that they don't help the currently infected isn't much of a concern.

I think it's much more likely that we'll have effective anti-viral and/or clonal antibody treatments long before effective vaccines. There are a half dozen trials ongoing now for various new and existing anti-viral compounds.   Clonal antibody treatments don't even require any research breakthroughs, just the time it takes to isolate and clone cells that produce effective antibodies.

Both anti-virals and antibody treatments are used to treat sick people, so they don't have to be very safe-- they only have to be safer than the virus. If they're highly effective they only need to be slightly safer than the virus.  Because they don't need to be very safe, we don't need to do much testing before widely deploying them.

If we find anti-viral treatments which are highly effective against sars-cov-2 and are fairly safe then in the developed world the issue will largely be resolved.  You get symptoms... you visit a doctor and get an anti-viral shot (maybe even a pill, though rapid development might skip the restriction that compounds need to work orally). Done, no need for a disruptive response because people won't die, at least not in large numbers. (The situation in less developed parts of the world might not be quite so good).  In the long run, a vaccine  can eliminate the issue when one is finally ready (hopefully-- for some human coronaviruses immunity doesn't last very long).

Places with larger numbers of infections and already straining hospitals like New York and California just won't. If other places do, in a week or two after they will see increasing hospitilizations, panic, and shut things down. Worse, because of the lag they'll continue to see increasing numbers after the shutdown and we'll potentially see even more panic, harsher lockdown mechanisms, etc.

In an exponential process the derivative is also an exponential... meaning that the more people are infected, the faster the rate of growth. Interventions like shutdowns and distancing temporarily change the exponent. An effective 'shutdown' must have a period of low contagion long enough to substantially lower the amount of infections in the population, or otherwise when you drop the shutdown you immediately jump to a tremendous infection rate when the original exponent is restored.  Like "lasing a stick of dynamite".  It certainly seems like in many places in the US where the infection started later people are taking shutdowns far less seriously then they are in (say) California-- instead of learning from earlier examples they look at them and say "well good thing its not so bad here, we can still go party", so it's quite plausible that there is still significant amounts of ongoing spread in these locations, many new infections, primed for an explosive outcome if there is a premature "all clear" sent by the whitehouse.  

The only way an early back-to-work works out well is if some of the more fringe epidemiology theories circulating hold and that the virus really has a R0 of 23 and a very low hospitalization rate and in fact a huge number of people have already been infected.  Existing data doesn't completely disprove this theory as far as I know but the growth rates of hospitalizations we've seen are pretty strong evidence against it. (If it were really the case that the virus was ludicrously infectious but just hospitalized very few people we would have seen the hospitalization rates spike much faster and everywhere almost at once).  I think these sorts of high R0 low-hospitalization rate theories are just hopeful fantasy.  There has been a lot of hopeful fantasy being thrown about by people who really don't want to face the reality-- this one is just a little less innumerate than most of them.

It's also absurd that a significant percentage of our testing capacity isn't being directed to sampling instead of obviously symptomatic people which would help us better understand and prepare for the spread and avoid making a costly mistake like prematurely reducing countermeasures (or keeping them around too long, for that matter).

Personally, I don't expect them the administration do anything that stupid-- though they might talk about it for the sake of encouraging hope. But then again, I also didn't expect them to respond so slowly to begin with...

I think it's really unfortunate that to prevent mask shortages the surgeon general and the CDC have materially mislead the public about the efficacy of masks.  The obvious way to phase out shutdowns would be to massively manufacture masks (even just surgical masks) and make wearing them in public mandatory for everyone.  There is significant evidence that population scale use of masks significantly lowers contagion for similar diseases and for sars-cov-2 in particular, and it would be a great way to reduce the unacceptable spike in additional hospitalizations a couple weeks after reducing distancing measures. In addition to the direct effect of reducing the spread, masks serve as a reminder of the risk (improving compliance with handwashing and distance keeping), discourage touching the face (for most people), and would be a visual identifier for idiots who are out without taking the pandemic seriously and whom should be avoided as a result. At this point, however, I think it would be politically impossible to go that route because it would require politicians to admit that they mislead the public, and it would require convincing the public to wear masks when many people now believe they don't work.

I've seen this bitcoinerish attitude expressed multiple times recently. At times like these it looks puerile.

Wannabe dictators like the Hungarian administration and proper ones like Russia will use it to suppress some extra dissent and ramp up fear of foreigners.

Elsewhere I haven't seen a great deal of evidence of that though I'm sure it's a handy opportunity to offload some bad news and tweak the odd awkward element. No government wants to drive their population insane with isolation and impoverish millions of them but there ain't much choice.

   Politicization of the virus is what we are seeing in the last few months. All of them (I didn't notice any exceptions) are using virus to promote
themselves and their parties. It's ridiculous what they are saying in the last couple of weeks, how they talk about virus, about their sacrifice for
the people, but under table they are pushing their own secret agenda. Scaring people and offer salvation in the same time is what they do, and
I see that this is working, and I doubt it will end in next 20 days. They imposed total control and this state is good for them, people can't meet,
people can't gather to talk and protest, in news all we see is the virus, everything else is not important.

Not only that, but the stock market rising/economy doing OK is practically the pro of his presidency. As stock prices were a couple of days ago, that was essentially all wiped out.

I hate to say it but politicians think 1st of one thing: poll numbers.

Whether you agree with it or not (or how messed up it is in concept): That isn't going to look good going into election season. I'm sure that provides some form of influence into him trying to spin up some public hope, even if it is misguided.

I hope that he will back up what he is saying because people are worrying, these kind of times are in need of responsible and reliable leaders. If US opens by easter as he says then economy will stabilize as soon as possible.

To his credit, he's not suggesting we can "get rid of" the corona virus by then, just that the infection curve will have flattened, so easing the total social and economic shutdown might be justified.

Mostly he's just trying to stop the panic and turn the market around. His hotels are at risk of bankruptcy if this goes on for months and months. It's true though that we as society can't really afford to live in this state of near shutdown until summer vacation. Most businesses will be completely bankrupt by then and people will be broke and starving from lack of income. At that point, political revolutions and government overthrows become realistic.

I think many people are underestimating the economic effects of shutting down even for just a few weeks, let alone months. Most businesses won't last longer than a month, and most people already live paycheck to paycheck with almost no savings.

Not a chance, Easter is 12th of April for anyone who doesn't know, that is about 2-3 weeks away and there is no way the world will get rid of corona that easily.

I am not saying it will stay for years or something, I am not trying to scare anyone, it will definitely be either over or basically close to being over by this summer, I believe that this summer holiday vacations will be a lot better. However at the same time, this is simply 2-3 weeks we are talking about, 12th April is too close, even in the best chances we will not see something like that easily.

There has been some talks about couple of drugs that cures people when given together so I guess we are getting closer and overtime we are going to see a lot less people dying and getting infected, but even with that in mind 12th of April is just too close.

I think also that this is a media hype and stunt. You can be talking of opening up when it is not confirmed that a vaccine is taking care of affected people in the country (except there is something we are yet to know).

For better or worse he does have a point. I'm sure many other leaders are thinking the same thing but they're not deranged enough to voice it. At some point if it does look like it's going to be an infinite bleed a decision will have to be made to live with it rather than put the entire world in deep freeze. I think it'll be the US that breaks ranks first if that is the situation.

I think only if were able to detect people who have had the virus and are now immune can we be certain of opening back up the country to where it was before. I think the governor of New York mentioned this in a statement about how quite a few people will get the virus but never go to the hospital or have anything bigger than a fever. These people can return to work.

To be fair, isn't every politician some form of a huckster - wanting to give out false hope even if it's a lie.

He's just a more heavily monitored/criticized one.

I'm sure every politician would love to go out and give hope right now. And part of me thinks it isn't a bad thing even though it's probably a bold face lie. The 24/7 Armageddon coverage on CNN does get old after a while.

President trump looks frustrated with Corona virus and many their people have got corona virus, now their country lock down from many countries not available for entering to United State for 14 days later, many countries have lock down for two weeks and will added if corona virus can't stop and keep going on.

Incredible how many businesses can't survive without 1 month of revenues, open by end of April or not the damage is already done but that's not just the USA, the entire World is gonna shake

AH!

What people want to hear?

Situation may come we drive ourselves into apocalyptic day. It can happen and we cant just take it casually. Just learn from the Italy!

Im just saying its impossible to open up business doors by April 12th !!

Yeah, the Oxford researchers said we need actual large scale testing to confirm the model:


Other preliminary studies do support the idea though:


At this point the corona virus has shown itself to be so infectious, that we better hope this model (or something close to it) is correct. Otherwise we can expect hospitals to be overwhelmed.

It's totally possible it just might be very, very inadvisable. Anyway the man himself has said he's taking advice and will consider it on a day by day basis. If they tell him it's armageddon I presume for once at least he may listen and ease off.

He's basically a huckster who tells people what he thinks they want to hear. This is more of the same.

Impossible.

Have you even checked out the rate at which coronavirus is spreading all over the USA?

Its racing itself at faster pace day by day. There is no cure on the corona yet, and even if there comes any medication then also it will take 6 months to 10 months to immunise every dam human being around the globe. Even if single person is left out then he will spread the stuff one more time.

Also, don't forget it is viral disease which means those who have got already infected cant be cured!! They will be contagon for the others and threat remains (may be at lower rate but it stays!)

If Trump makes mistake of opening USA again so quickly then half of the population is gonna die. (Apologies, but scientifically you cant disagree).

Truly depends on how events unfold. If US will continue with the decreasing death/total cases ratio, then plugging back in the economy could be okay. They're slightly above 1% death rate as of now, compared to Italy which has it close to 10%.

If we don't test at all, this could turn into a legit bloodbath. But if we only test patients who have symptoms or those who go to the hospital, we'll get an unreal death rate. Therefore, the best thing we can do is test as many people as possible because if we test an entire country and 1M people are infected out of which only a few thousands have died, the numbers will change significantly..

Trump just wants to appeal to his Christian voters who can't wait to go to church (though many actually ignore quarantine for it). The US is still far from reaching the peak, even Italy which started to have coronavirus earlier still hasn't peaked. If Trump will proceed with this plan, he'll likely make things much worse.

I would love that to be true but it seems too good to be true, just as the millions of dead figures are too far the other way. I have zero doubt that the actual mortality rate is vastly lower than will ever be known or reported.

Maybe Donny is making the right call in this case. He does have a weird feral instinct. But the sad thing is we'll never who had the right or wrong strategies until it's too late.

This is a common theory in analytics of the epidemiology of various diseases. The reported data tends under report the real number of cases due to a lack of testing. You combine this with the fact that the majority of coronavirus victims will be asymptomatic for a certain period while the disease is transmissible, you're looking at large swaths of the population to contract coronavirus. Still though, suggesting that half have the disease already is a bit of a stretch this early. We're not going to know the true numbers of coronavirus until months after this is over once widespread testing is enacted in countries expanding South Korea.


China has widespread testing but I wouldn't trust a single number they put out.

He's speaking prematurely and is just trying to quell panic, but there are some signs this will be over quicker than we thought. Not because the corona virus stops spreading, but because it's so infectious that most people have already been exposed.

An Oxford study suggests half the UK population already has or had the corona virus: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/oxford-study-coronavirus-may-have-infected-half-of-u-k.html

While that may sound bad initially, what it really means is this:


So it may turn out the corona virus is insanely infectious but also has an extremely low mortality rate, and even a low rate of expressing symptoms at all. If this model is correct, we won't flatten the curve by stopping the spread through containment. The curve will flatten because the virus will run out people to infect.

If other studies confirm these findings in the coming weeks, it will be a real game changer.

No. It's a "political" timeline/declaration, to give hope, to not scare people, to avoid people despair and overreact.
It's somewhat similar with his statement where he was distrusting Bitcoin.

It's reasonable but the economic ramifications are going to last for years. The U.S. unemployment office is expected to receive 2.25 million unemployment applications which is the largest number ever recorded. So having millions of people who don't have employment isn't magically going to be fixed the day the economy reopens. Small businesses are going to file for bankruptcy and most have already laid off employees so at a minimum you're looking at anywhere from 8-12 months for a small business to actually recover and hire back their full time staff. In addition to that, certain industries aren't going to recover for a long time -- movie theaters and sit down restaurants are gone for the foreseeable future.

Despite what you believe politically, President Trump made a statement "showing hope" to have the USA "open by easter".

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/politics/trump-easter-economy-coronavirus/index.html

Do you think this is possible? What do you think the impact of this will be if this is forced ahead (companies allowed to re-open up, etc). Do you think it'll make the health and/or economic problem better or worse?