Topic: CORRECT AND NOT ATTACK (Read 532 times)

We are taught to be friendly to everyone, but sometimes the language of writing is very difficult to understand, even if you feel attacked, sometimes that is not the intention of the writer who is attacking. Maybe if you see and meet in person it will be a little different. In fact I think everyone who started felt that way including me when I first joined this forum. We all just have to understand everyone has different styles and good intentions. We just have to get used to it, because I'm sure the people who give advice are the ones who have good intentions.

To correct and tell newbies what to do when they’re doing the wrong thing should be perceived as teaching them about the do’s and don’ts of the forum even if they get merits through that. You can’t conclude that by correcting them means that they’re bullying them and should not be done in that way. This is a public forum and each person have their own way to correct, judge or direct someone. The day you stop perceiving every correction, critics as bullying, you’ll have a smooth ride in the forum’s journey.

It is just too funny seeing post like this. We don't have to tell people about how to behave. Everyone of us comes from a different background and different faculty. There are people that correct through the use of harsh words or foul words which is seen as normal to them. We can't change them or change the want that they have to behave in the way that we want. Everyone of us has our own opinion and we don't have to force opinion on people especially if it's our own opinion. We need to take things the way it is.

This is true, we can rate ideas base on rank, there are some higher rank members whom might not have the kind of knowledge and skill some new members who just come into this forum have, as there rank is just what’s rated as newbie and not what they have in there head.

Regardless of the rank, if I see anything educating which I can learn from anyone I always try as much as I can not to look on the rank but focus on what I can get from them.

@OP you're a Jr. Member ranks now, you can "use" newbie to earn merits.

Many high ranked users are willing to teach anyone in this forum, there are also low ranked users can teach high ranked users, knowledge can't be measured by ranks.

There are many bad people, let's say a scammer. Scammer has a bad intention because they want to steal someone else valuable thing, there's no religion or parents is supporting become a scammer. There's no reason to judge and help a scammer because scammer is always a scammer.

The purpose of merits system is to encourage quality and helpful post in the forum. So if someone earns merit by correcting a newbie, it means the merit is serving the purpose it was introduced for and there is absolutely nothing wrong in that. This mentality is the reason some newbies are not comfortable being here. Take a look at your profile for example and see the date you registered and the amount of merits you have earned. You can not grow when you feel attacked when you are being corrected. For anyone who's interested to learn will ignore all the criticism and learn from them instead of being discouraged or feel offended.

It doesn't matter whether you are invited by a friend or you discovered this forum yourself, it's your sole responsibility to get yourself acquainted with the rules. Even in school, some times students are being discipline by teachers as a form of correction of wrong doings. You can not expect newbies to be treated like an when from all indications they're not ready to comply with the forum ethics.

It depends on words and tone used to express education effort. Some people can use harsh words that make newbies feel uncomfortable and it's not good, not friendly. However newbies must admit what they did wrong, see positive things from contributions of other members and grow up thicker skin. Some posters can have great skills and use soft words that can be more favorite by newbies.

If their intention is good, newbies must see it and move on, improve themselves.

Reports can be done privately to admins and moderators. Use the report button.

[Unofficial guide] Report effectively.

This is true. Even though the intention is to correct someone because of what they did is wrong or a mistake but still they feel that they are attacked when the truth is that the person who give the correction is not attacking at all but to help. What I can say about them is that if they don't like being attacked which is not the intention of the person who is doing it then they shouldn't be in this forum and should find another forum. Reporting newbies is not wrong if the newbie have done something wrong like plagiarism and being a scammer.

Sometimes being corrected triggers them as if they had been attack or criticized base on statement or words posted. People need to realize that they would never receive those unwanted words if they know something base on the topic discuss so instead of feeling bad on situation much better for them to learn something from people criticizing them so that they can correct what those negative attitude they set or wrong expectation they look forward towards crypto and became more better people or a investor. For sure if they take this and correct theirselves then provably there's more bright future for them on crypto scene. Its so good that we deal multiple attitudes of people in this forum so that we can learn how to deal and react base on situation also to learn how to approach on certain situation that will happen in future.

How can you learn in a public forum from experienced people who have different temperaments and expect not to be criticized? It's near impossible, so the best thing is to take everything said to you on advisory level, take the ones that you think will benefit you and simply ignore the negative ones, instead of complaining, afterall you're not paying anyone in the forum to tutor you. I joined this forum without any knowledge of crypto, I had my own fair share of criticism, but i didn't let it bother me, i tried to learn from what I was criticized or attached on, today I've increased my crypto knowledge substantially, and I'm grateful to members in this forum, even those that criticized me helped made me become better.

Without any clear understanding of what this space is all about yet as I’m relatively new, I think this is the reason why new persons on the platform should be more reluctant on typing upon first appearance of the forum. Even that still, some platforms do require you to make comments within a week of joining and as your time continues to generate traffic for them and in turn make the platform interesting but, this shouldn’t be the reason that you rush into trouble.
In most cases, one who does almost nothing commits no offense.

What should be done rather is asking questions when necessary especially, questions on what’s the most basic rule here and how not to fault them.
That’s in an event that, you don’t take your time, perhaps the first day of your arrival on the forum to research this out yourself. It’s what a smart person would do but,

This is the internet, we’ve got people from different background and culture who chooses to behave just how it’s okay with them and even as you might want to change that, they are out there to change you and the way you perceive these things. When your learning, be ready for a lot of insult and name callings as well, it’s part of the process. Even more so, you just hope to get the answers you need from the other few that cares to offer some solution and you move on. Everyone can’t have same energy and character and that includes you!

You think so of you know so? Not all newbies that has newbie name are actually newbie, not everyone in this forum care about rank or merit, they prefer to have trust than anything related to their account. There are some newbies in reputation that are attack people because they are afraid to lose their main account and such can't be justify with your definition, some newbie are created for trolling and not necessarily for ranking but your definition is cool.


You see this forum, be thick and strong then you will know that these you highlighted doesn't need to be here, do your thing and rank up, learn about anything shared here, about Bitcoin and also make sure that you abide by the rules common rules and regulations. I'm general, please don't plagiarize, don't cheat and don't manipulate, that's the easiest way what you wrote above will not work.

If you were not informed of the dos and don't then as you cane in the first thing to do is to ask questions to know them before doing any other things but as you came you were also interested to acquire merits and rank up and was not interested to ask any question to learn so the attacks also came from that angles so you don't have to blame anyone here but yourself. As you can if you asked questions then people would be interested to help you out from the question you asked.

And also for people to guide you here is also depends on you, the way you present yourself here mend a lot. People are not here to attack but to educate but when you didn't follow the rules then attack must come you have to wear the thick skin to over come the attacks.

Its not an attack, its called discovery, when someone was discovered being a scammer, plagiarist or having any suspicious act that can cause trouble on others, isn't it better to report such person, than when someone like you who is a newbie fall into their trap.


Everyone was once a newbie before turning to be whom they were today, and there's no any shortcut to that than through learning.


have you then discovered anything aside this, if yes please give a reference to that, we are on bitcointalk where everyone is free to talk his own on how he feels.

First of all a person who goes to school goes to acquire knowledge and how do you acquire this knowledge you listen attentively even if you know you still don't know all,it is true everyone has come here for something but first of all you came to learn as well.
Many newbies rush into posting knowing that the forum does not welcome all kind of posts, in a school when it is exam time you also examine your write up to make sure it gives you mark right? Many newbies don't follow the rules here they only come with the mentality that they want to gain merit and make money and don't reason what they post at all.
There is a thread that says read before you post but many don't read and another says make reading a habit people who have the knowledge of this forum are here before you so while you use a day to walk round the board with seriousness there is no way you won't leave the forum without a knowledge about the forum.

I didn't know anything about Bitcoin until I decided to go into areas I think will benefit my knowledge before I start posting, nobody is oppressing the newbies here but let them take precautions that's all.

I want to applaud you for your courage to make this post, high ranked members are most times very strict and tough but I wouldn't call it attack as that's the only way to keep most stubborn newbies in check. High ranked members will come for you only if you keep making the same mistake over and over again, expect criticism but not attacks am sure they went through the same thing as they were once newbies like you and I.

Sometimes, advice and guidance may appear to look like attacking or bullying, yes it's true that most of the high ranked members here may have a very funny way of correcting or guiding people because that was the same way they were taught. It's tolerable if one newbie comes and makes a spam or merit fishing post, you can assume that they're doing it out of ignorance and then you go ahead to correct them, but when there's 10 more, trust me you'll be pissed because it only means that majority of the people who join the forum are coming with very wrong perspective and viewpoint about the forum and this misconception should be corrected by every means necessary to avoid spamming the community. So don't blame people who get fed up and decide to tell them the truth. You know the truth sometimes can be bitter, no one is a baby here, so no one should be treated as such.

At the end of the story we know they are fake beginners, aka fake beginners, we really appreciate and respect those who are actually beginners who come here, with the aim of wanting to know and learn a lot about forums and Bitcoin, unfortunately they pretended they didn't know anything, in the end it was discovered they weren't true beginners, they had an Alt involved in a series of violations.

We do not judge, in fact they themselves never respect all the rules that have been made, in many cases they have high ranking accounts and attack behind their beginner accounts, you misunderstand about judging, real beginners are free to do anything, as long as they understand all the existing rules, we don't judge as long as you don't become a fake beginner.

You nailed it mentioning Mr Ddmr² here. There is a shared impression among several members here that politics is taking over the forum, and strategic alliances and personal wars weigh more than creating quality content in order to get merits. Happily, a few honorable exceptions still exist here. They know who they are, and it is up to each newbie to discover who they are, amidst all the noise. You already mentioned one, but let's not make any more spoilers (or why not?).

While this might sound unreal, it is very true. I have faced such a challenge while I was a lower ranked member. Some of the established members does nothing else than to bash the newbies. When they ask innocent questions, they take advantage of the question to earn merits to themselves and demarket the questionair who is the Op. These things happen, but if you are not sensitive enough, you will not understand. A post that ought to get merits, but due to the first responder was hash and negative towards the Op, no one will drop a single merit for Op. Unless in a rare case that people like DdMrDdMr will.


  Some established members do the above while some newbies are so adamant. And in some cases they turn to be teaching the established members how the forum works. Things like this are offensive, especially for people who have been long here and know how unreal some newbies are

If those people you called to be the higher rank do not developed themselves to read and study they forum how do you think they could have gained this very rank you cherished so much? It's not possible here you grow by reading and accepting correction and not by waiting for people to teach you everything before you could pushed harder. The forum is always opened for everyone the goal there is you should discover the areas of the forum that you knowns the best than you waiting to be judged by people or higher ranked member.

You should defines what you want and what you need to know about this forum and if that is being carried I am not sure anyone here will have that time to attack you for anything except in a scenario where you think your knowledge and words is final maybe others don't know what they are saying its from then you would see people that knows more than you will attack you to make sure that impression is being corrected.

Yeah, I think I have an idea why he thinks older members “attack” posts for merit.  It’s not uncommon for people to get merits for saying what should be said. In this case, calling users on their BS when need be. I’d merit such posts because I share with the same opinion as the poster.

 This is a bit off-topic but…why do I feel your blood pressure went up when as you were typing this post. I’m reading the words but I can hear you screaming your lungs out lol.

Do you feel attacked by top members? Do you see it as attacks and judgment? Or is everything you think is actually criticism and input?
Do you think all top members are like that?
In this forum there are many characters of people from various countries. So we can't just think from our side. There are many top members who always help newbies and also lower ranks to further improve the quality of posts. Whatever style of language they use, the point is what they are talking about and sharing. So we can just think positively with various language styles that may be different. And I'm sure there is no judgment for newbies from the top members. Unless the newbies are really going too far on this forum.

And what is this? You're talking about getting merits from attacking newbies? Can you give the proofs? I think they get merits because they desire that. Because their posts are indeed worthy of merits. not from attacking newbies. Maybe you are the one who looks too much at the opposite side.

In fact, it's not enough for top memes to provide various information and share it. On every board in this forum there are even various guidelines, have you read them or at least seen them? because you still demand top memes to guide the newbies, even though there is already a lot of guidance here. Maybe you didn't see it. Try to be more open minded and open to various suggestions and criticism from other members, so that you can better digest what they advise you.

The neutral tag on your account states you’re a spammer. Interestingly, this is feedback from members of your local board. IMO locals are generally soft on their own, so if they think you are worth tagging, you definitely need to review your posting habits and stop playing victim. Your posts were critiqued because they were did not have any value. You said you spent three days preparing the topics, so this may sound harsh but I advise you take the criticism and strive to be a better poster.

This is not true, you just made an incorrect statement that if you are corrected or slightly criticized for it will begin to think that the people in the forum who are older members have a problem with you and have singled you out to always attack you. As a newbie you should understand that this forum has people who are highly knowledgeable and may be irritated by silly questions or information that was not properly researched just like a statement that you just made. To really survive in this forum you have to be tough, know the rules and understand that nobody hates you.

Op you are right. There was a time I made 3 posts in interval of a minute. The next comment I could get is that I am shift posting. Mind you, it took me days to compose those topics and saved them because I wanted to post them at once, when I got this comment, I was really discouraged because I also earned one merit for one of the post that I was attacked It was absolutely discouraging. It always as if I was spamming whereas I took time to come up with those topics. Like as it stands now I have a topic I have composed but still waiting to add more value before I post, now when I post I then got attacked it will really demorale me.

The OP once wrote a story in which he did not act very honestly, and now he is offended that people did not support him but, on the contrary, accused him. Look at his tag. Should you trust such a guy?
Besides, OP, you rarely appear on the forum, or you simply log in from another account, but all your posts are dedicated to the rules. Today you came up with a new rule for high ranks. Maybe you should look and re-read everything that you write and ask yourself, Are you so good that you will be loved and not judged? In the end, just think about what you write so as not to be attacked by criticism.

You're right. Some are not given guidelines by their 'referees', but what about those newbies who come here with those ' I'm a newbie' threads? That after they are kindly supplied the list of do's and don'ts of the forum but still end up effing up?
Secondly, how can you understand how a thing operates of you don't at least make your findings about the thing? Supposing here was like an electronic device, are you saying they will look past the instructions on how to operate it and just go straight?.
Sometimes, people tend to generalize things and if you are asked to give an instance where you were "attacked" I don't think you'd be able to. Again, you feel they are being attacked because of the tone at which a higher member may have used, but then you won't blame them because sometimes these noobs ask way too obvious questions and its as if they want to be spoonfed every step of the way. Even you would agree that it gets tiring sometimes.

and that is the reason why we who are just learning are here and Thank you to our seniors who have given their time and thoughts for all of us here.

I know how you feel when you are not merited on a thread that is giving other top rank members merits, the correction made by the top rank members to correct you in some things so that other newbies will not think that what you wrote is very correct in the forum because, if the top rank members allow such things in the forum, it will cause more harm to up coming newbies in the forum and, i don't think they are doing those correction for the sake of of merits OP because some of them are legendary members which no amount of merits you will give to them that will mean anything to them.

Yes, this is a home of knowledge and impact and you need to be ready to learn from those that are above you so that you will also become a member rank or full member rank in the forum.

You won't blame them because that Is the easiest way of corrections. Somebody who wants to change will change despite the criticism. Infact criticism is the best way to learn, because it gives you a motivation to know your left from your right. It might be sad that creating a Merit deserving post will be diverted to reply instead of the actual post, but merit is not only for thread created but sometimes comment are interesting than the thread itself. So don't be naive or feel bad, it just a gradual process that's how it has been. If you creat a meaningful thread that deserves merit, It will be given without a waste of time. And you will receive a nice reply.

Can you cite an example where newbies are getting attacked?  I do not think that ranked members had attacked any newcomers here without telling them what is their fault.  Most members in the forum are very patient correcting and answering newbies' inquiries even though they had been asking questions that had been asked too many times in the forum.

As long as newbies' posts or created topics are not malicious or have hidden agendas that may bring harm to readers, members will never "attack".  Members may criticize while they are correcting newbies but they do it to make newbies learn this kind of action is called constructive criticism and shouldn't be considered as an attack to demerit newbies.

Hello Op, first in the title you got "attacks" wrong. Please correct the OP's title "attacks".
As far as I know, there doesn't seem to be any attack on you in this forum. Because this forum has a moderator, or DT, so even if you're new to this btt forum, it's a good idea to find out first what you can post and what you can't, of course there are rules.
I believe that this Btt forum has established rules and guidelines that are clearly outlined for everyone.

OP shouldn’t be making such claims, he’s been a member of the forum since 2022. Not so active with this account though. Finding the forum rules is not a difficult task. It’s literally pinned on the Beginners & Help board. Even if you miss it, older members always give links to the forum rules when new members introduce themselves or ask a “newbie” question.

Even if this is what happens, they ought to know that every online forum has rules and regulations that are used to govern the ecosystem.
Assuming they are also not aware of it, they can easily ask a question about it if they actually want to learn and the issue will be solved rather than doing something that will affect their reputation.

Op by now you are supposed to know how the forum works and not come out to talk about things you feel is abnormal why you actually know that is true . You have been around here for almost 2years now I think that's enough time for you to understand and learn that the forum is made up of different people,  advising newbies for them to learn shouldn't be a big concern for you because they can learn and later on become pros in knowledge here and they won't have any reason to complain again. You need to be ready and not get discouraged or distracted because a member here corrected you on something which you don't believe to be true. Get emotion away and try and develop your knowledge and see if you won't be motivated by lots of encouragement that you will be getting here when you do things right, everyone must not agree with you or what you said before you can be happy learn to be happy and enjoy interacting with people here.

Hmmm, did some of your replies made a higher rank told you something that you didn't like? And instead of correcting you, you think that he's attacking you? I guess that is where you are coming from. Or if it didn't happened to you, have you seen that some of the high or top ranks did some misjudgement based on your understanding the discussions? There's need more of the context about this thread you've made so we will understand why you have made this topic. Because if that is what I've said, everyone has to grow and understand that we're in a forum and you may feel that it's an attack but usually it's just how they correct people and we've got different cultures and values. You think that the replies are attacking you but you're just thinking like that where it's correcting you or some other newbies.

Why do many newbies take some comments as an attack, I think many of the new members like us need to take how higher rank members treat and react to us with a more positive mindset, instead of seeing them as an attacks, having a negative mindset could affect your overall productivity as a beginner,  many of us have been treated worst than just criticism and attack to a point you need to develop strong will powers to continue to develop and improve yourself and in no time, the true content of you will be reveal to the whole forum.
One member may like you and the other dislike you, that is human behaviour for you, you cant control how people like or react to you, but you can control how you take they reactions and it effects on you, so be safe and continue to be a good member of the forum.

This only means that you want the information to be given to you instead of doing some research yourself. High ranking forum members is not oblige to teach newbies all the information/knowledge they know. Well, i'll share two of do's and one don'ts for you, do not ask other forum members all the knowledge or information you want to learn, do make your own research so that you will become knowledgeable and only ask if you have something that you find hard to understand or complicated.

I was a newbie once, and at the time faced my fair share of challenges being a novice to bitcoin and the forum but my thirst for knowledge was my motivation to learn about the bitcoin ecosystem and also become a better poster on the forum. My era is quite different from this one, we didn’t have many newbies creating threads about how harsh older members are. I can list ten threads that’s been created in just this month by newbies revolving around the topic.

I remember you from the scammer thread. Not the best way to start your journey here.

What do you mean by reporting newbies? You won't earn merit if you report messages to moderators. So if you're talking about newbies account exposed for scam, spam or plagiarism, people are doing that not to earn merits but to protect the forum and its users. It's very easy to open a fresh account here, you don't need to go through any KYC, so many people create accounts here in order to try to do bad things. That's why newbies and brand new account are often viewed with suspicion in the english part and in large local boards. But on most other local boards newcomers are generally welcomed and gladly hepled.

Can you tell me what scar it will leave on your skin if you are corrected in a way you don't appreciate? Many of the things you have mentioned are not necessary. You can just leave it to slide and it's nothing to agitate about. Sometimes correct comes with a hard voice and that does not mean that the sole reason is for merit.yiu don't have to keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Everything should be a process and don't ever rush it. I believe a time would come when you will be the one correcting people on how to behave here. Life is all about stages and no correction should be seen as hatred.

Ordinary as a person you should look forward to people not aligning with your sense of reasoning or supposedly opposing your views, because is a natural phenomenon. I don't see most of the opposing views as attack, it is either somebody is correcting you for not doing the right thing or the person is opposing what you said, but what you mean by attack needs to be properly defined, because attack can be maligning someone's character or abusing somebody which I know forum members don't indulge in. So as a forum member the first thing to do is to learn the rules of the forum, take time to learn and don't see corrections as attack.

One thing I can tell you as a new is that if you are scared of criticism and thereby labelling it as an attack then mate you aren't ready yet to be here, the forum is a different world of its own entirely and each person has a freedom of opinion which is why you shouldn't let another's opinion hey in your way in affecting your decision to stay comfortably or leave the forum.

No body here knows it all and for that reason I can rightly classify every member as a newbie, the only difference between you that just arrived in the forum and I that have been here is the ranks difference. There are some newbies that are knowledgeable and well grounded in cryptocurrency even before getting to the forum but then they can't start in the middle they must create an account to start with. In all essence, my counsel is that as a newbie take in every attack or criticism meted on you and use them to build yourself instead of complaining cause nobody F-cares.

You mean that some can earn money from signatures and bounties?
And in the spirit of friendship we should encourage everybody post nonsense to rank up? Should we encourage plagiarism? Should we allow AI-generated answers, some laughably off topic? Then whoever wants to find out about bitcoin will.. have to look elsewhere because the information here will become unreliable?
I hope that this is not what you meant. But this can easily be understood from your sentence.


Yes, it's about sharing knowledge. And if somebody did a tiny bit of effort to research and then ask meaningfully, he usually gets the info he needs (of course, he might have to find the correct answers and maybe refine the questions too).

The problem is when some come thinking they know things - and the reality shows they don't.
Plus, you should understand that this is like everywhere in the world: some talk nicer, some not, some may be trolling and so on. Even more, this forum has a good respect for the freedom of speech.
Also the forum has a very powerful tool: the "ignore" functionality. It helps for mental sanity until you find your way around and grow thicker skin. Use it heavily. And every now and then clean up the ignore list because at start you can easily go wrong.


PS. You ask not to judge. You forget we are humans. You started by judging and preaching too, after all
PPS. Chill. Learn to get everything more lightly - not only here, but also on the whole internet and life too.

These are the type of discussions that need to be considered on a case by case basis. You can't lump all high rankings members into one group who attack and can't lump all newbies into a bunch of well meaning but ill adviced individuals.

More importantly, it's much easier to grow a tougher skin to the comments of others than to get them to change the way they communicate. The internet is an uncensored cesspool and I find here to contain mostly cultured member when compared to the rest.

What do you mean attacking? if they had been attack then those newbie done something wrong. It will not happen if they just read and follow the rules.

Also don't oblige high ranking members to teach newbies because its up for those people to help since this is not mandatory not everyone have plenty of time to spend here or teaching someone. But if they have question they can post it here and for sure they will be answered.



No one judging newbie if they are willing to learn a high ranking member what you mean also came here as newbie but they exert a lot of people to learn and not relying to be spoon feed by more experience than them, you need to know that since you are the one who can solve the complexity of what you are trying to learn.


Support is here as I said earlier they also need to exert effort so they can learn.


They can learn if they ask serious question as a newbie for sure lots of people is willing to answer or do some little research for them so that they can learn something base on what they are trying to figure out.

How do you mean?
There is actually no official rule or dos and don'ts here on Bitcointalk the rules are actually official unofficial rules.
This is the internet where there is absolute freedom so it's up to newbies to either learn and contribute to the forum or spam and try scam and end up being either banned or your account filled with negative tags.
Every one on this forum even the legendary members you mentioned were once newbies with zero merit. And of course some of the high ranked members can be rude or thick headed here but you are going to have to learn to live with it or should I say learn despite it.

So many people hear about bitcointalk forum from friends, families, internet and so on they where not given the full details of the Dos and Don'ts (the rules of the forum) of the forum. they where only told about the juicy parts of the forum because of that they are excited to join without making deep research.

Newbie should be corrected and not to be use to earn merits, most of the top rank members earn most of their merits from attacking and reporting newbie.
                 WHAT IS NEWBIES
newbies is a person who just started a  particular activity without having full knowledge. Newbies are also called novice, newcomer, beginner.

IMPORTANT OF TOP RANK MEMBERS
Before you are been named or given a rank I believe you have pass through many challenges, obstacles before reaching the level you are now. I believe there is a reason why you are at that level. they are vital importance of being a top rank members
1: To guide and not to judge
2: To support
3: To Teach and so many more

I believe that Bitcoin talk forum is a home of knowledge and knowledge is acquired and distributed.