Topic: Could admins please advise on the Trust issue? (Read 893 times)

Your wrong. I'm within my right. The mods have actually removed 5 or 6 posts off here already.
a member has the right to set rules in their own thread.

Please follow the rules posted by the op.

Double standard.
they step in one time, next time they state they have no right to step in.

This was my post in one of the threads earlier.

Again, the trust system is not a definitive proof of trustworthiness, its just a feedback system. As far as standards, there aren't enforced standards by a central forum authority, there are enforced standards by the community, the system is what you make of it. If someone leaves or recieves unfair feedback, it is up to the parties involved to resolve it. The loose interpretation of what is allowed on the feedback system is what gives it flexibility, however also brings the issues that anyone that has read meta in the last week has come to be familiar with. If feedback was only allowed for confirmed scammers, it would be completely useless in preventing scammers. If feedback is allowed for confirmed scammer and suspected scammers, that excludes a lot of shady indicators. So the system is moderated how the community moderates it themselves, Staff don't have an influence on trust. So if you decide to give someone negative feedback for wearing bunny slippers you are welcome to do so. However, the thought behind that, is if you give people false or frivilous feedback, then your input begins to mean less and less. If a legendary member with 1000 trades under their belt and years spent here spams negative feedback for everyone on the forum, their feedback means absolutely nothing to anyone. If you aren't on default trust but have a history of leaving accurate feedback, your feedback can mean more than that of someone on the default trust list, and eventually someone should take notice and add them to Default trust. Default Trust is not supposed to be the governing trust body of this forum, its the default, people are meant to create their own trust lines and move away from default by the time they are no longer newbies and have individuals that they trust. That however has not been the case, as people are either too lazy to change it or they just don't care.

I'm going to mention it very briefly as an example, but I don't want to derail your thread. Obviously you are talking about Vod's feedback for you. Default Trust means that you are trusted in some form of line to leave accurate feedback for others, not necessarily that you are trustworthy yourself. The first branch of Default Trust are those added directly by Theymos, the people that Default trust add to their list then become the next level (1) and so on. Vod is not on the first level of default trust created by Theymos, he is under three members (as of last time I checked) that are on the first level, effectively putting him on the 2nd level of trust, and people he adds to his trust list would be on 3rd etc. Vod isn't on my trust list, so I have no say in his actions nor will I judge, because I chose not to take responsibility for his trust actions by not having him on my list. What I will say is that he has been a huge community scam buster for a long time now, if he abuses what the community sets as the standards for the feedback system, no one will take his opinions seriously, and the people on default trust who have him on their lists should consider removing him. It would be a loss in that case since the hundreds of scammers that he has positively marked would then have their feedback diluted as well. Perhaps thats why people are fighting for Vod. The entire system is intentionally a gray area. If you remove options, people will exploit it, if you leave it completely open and allow the community to decide what is acceptable and not acceptable, then they can adapt to new threats rather than having to rework the system. That is what would cause inconsistencies.

If you want to leave people feedback saying you don't like them because they use the word "the" too often, you are welcome to do so, just know that your feedback will be diluted and worthless when it actually matters. The only difference between being on default trust and not being on default trust, is that others are staking their reputations on your feedback as well. If Vod goes off the deep end (I don't want to get into a debate here about it, as I said I'm not involved so I don't care, let the parties involved handle it) it reflects poorly on the people who added Vod to their trust lines. Its a self interest system, a forum member isn't going to give trust to someone who is going to hurt their reputation.

Unrelated: If your posts in meta are being deleted, report them. Moderators are supposed to take extreme caution when touching meta issues. That said if they are undoubtably spam, they will be deleted.

Since we are not allowed off topic at all, I sent an admin a pm, and would rather have it answered in public.

Any posts not by an admin in response to this will be off topic and reported.

Thank You


That was already stated and deleted
As was my requesting this for admin use only.

Every time I've gone off the topic, even in my own threads, to ask another question, my post has been removed.

EDIT3:
I do NOT want my own posts deleted off of my own threads, I'm pretty decent at deciding what my OWN topic is and sticking to it.