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Did anyone see this story? http://www.sharpenedsticks.com/2013/07/03/bitcoin-was-created-by-the-nsa-the-latest-shocking-snowden-revelation/

There was a few other sites a while back that had that story. Seriously wouldn't surprise me if it was created by them. There are also other security related articles I've seen explaining that the encryption used isn't actually as strong as once thought, something to do with an eliptical cipher or something of that nature.

You can't help but wonder what else all this math is being used for besides creating "coins" Maybe its their way of creating the biggest distributed computing system in existence. And after the creation of scrypt mining now there's two different algorithms for them to get work done with.

For the record I really hope Snowden is wrong on this, but so far he's seemed pretty credible. Also if it was created by the NSA or some other gov agency, then it's all the more reason that bitcoin will continue to live, because they'll try to keep it alive one way or another. 

Yes nobody know what else all this math is being used for besides creating "coins". A biggest distributed computing system is growing everyday. For good or evil? It is shady. Think about the bitcoin policies in China and Russia. Why US media and Bernanke are favoring crypto-currency.
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Sheeple always need some authoritative person to ascertain some point in their lives. That's why they need the Shepherd (Big Brother). Of course the Shepherd is always right and he is well educated academician that uses Newspeak and all that stuff.

But let us read excerpt from the Original Charter of the National Security Agency:
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The Director shall have a civilian deputy whose primary responsibility shall be to ensure the mobilization and effective employment of the best available human and scientific resources in the field of cryptographic research and development.
http://austinlinks.com/Crypto/charter.html

Or how about reading this:
Interception Capabilities 2000
"Workfactor reduction"; the subversion of cryptographic systems
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39. From the 1940s to date, NSA has undermined the effectiveness of cryptographic systems made or used in Europe. The most important target of NSA activity was a prominent Swiss manufacturing company, Crypto AG. Crypto AG established a strong position as a supplier of code and cypher systems after the second world war. Many governments would not trust products offered for sale by major powers. In contrast, Swiss companies in this sector benefited from Switzerland's neutrality and image of integrity.

40. NSA arranged to rig encryption systems sold by Crypto AG, enabling UKUSA agencies to read the coded diplomatic and military traffic of more than 130 countries. NSA's covert intervention was arranged through the company's owner and founder Boris Hagelin, and involved periodic visits to Switzerland by US "consultants" working for NSA. One was Nora L MacKabee, a career NSA employee. A US newspaper obtained copies of confidential Crypto AG documents recording Ms Mackebee's attendance at discussion meetings in 1975 to design a new Crypto AG machine".(92)

41. The purpose of NSA's interventions were to ensure that while its coding systems should appear secure to other cryptologists, it was not secure. Each time a machine was used, its users would select a long numerical key, changed periodically. Naturally users wished to selected their own keys, unknown to NSA. If Crypto AG's machines were to appear strong to outside testers, then its coding system should work, and actually be strong. NSA's solution to this apparent condundrum was to design the machine so that it broadcast the key it was using to listeners. To prevent other listeners recognising what was happening, the key too had also to be sent in code - a different code, known only to NSA. Thus, every time NSA or GCHQ intercepted a message sent using these machines, they would first read their own coded part of the message, called the "hilfsinformationen" (help information field) and extract the key the target was using. They could then read the message itself as fast or even faster than the intended recipient(93)

42. The same technique was re-used in 1995, when NSA became concerned about cryptographic security systems being built into Internet and E-mail software by Microsoft, Netscape and Lotus. The companies agreed to adapt their software to reduce the level of security provided to users outside the United States. In the case of Lotus Notes, which includes a secure e-mail system, the built-in cryptographic system uses a 64 bit encryption key. This provides a medium level of security, which might at present only be broken by NSA in months or years.

43. Lotus built in an NSA "help information" trapdoor to its Notes system, as the Swedish government discovered to its embarrassment in 1997. By then, the system was in daily use for confidential mail by Swedish MPs, 15,000 tax agency staff and 400,000 to 500,000 citizens. Lotus Notes incorporates a "workfactor reduction field" (WRF) into all e-mails sent by non US users of the system. Like its predecessor the Crypto AG "help information field" this device reduces NSA's difficulty in reading European and other e-mail from an almost intractable problem to a few seconds work. The WRF broadcasts 24 of the 64 bits of the key used for each communication. The WRF is encoded, using a "public key" system which can only be read by NSA. Lotus, a subsidiary of IBM, admits this. The company told Svenska Dagbladet:
"The difference between the American Notes version and the export version lies in degrees of encryption. We deliver 64 bit keys to all customers, but 24 bits of those in the version that we deliver outside of the United States are deposited with the American government".(94)
44. Similar arrangements are built into all export versions of the web "browsers" manufactured by Microsoft and Netscape. Each uses a standard 128 bit key. In the export version, this key is not reduced in length. Instead, 88 bits of the key are broadcast with each message; 40 bits remain secret. It follows that almost every computer in Europe has, as a built-in standard feature, an NSA workfactor reduction system to enable NSA (alone) to break the user's code and read secure messages.

45. The use of powerful and effective encryption systems will increasingly restrict the ability of Comint agencies to process collected intelligence. "Moore's law" asserts that the cost of computational power halves every 18 months. This affects both the agencies and their targets. Cheap PCs can now efficiently perform complex mathematical calculations need for effective cryptography. In the absence of new discoveries in physics or mathematics Moore's law favours codemakers, not codebreakers.
 
http://www.cyber-rights.org/interception/stoa/ic2kreport.htm#_Toc448565572
newbie
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Did anyone see this story? http://www.sharpenedsticks.com/2013/07/03/bitcoin-was-created-by-the-nsa-the-latest-shocking-snowden-revelation/

There was a few other sites a while back that had that story. Seriously wouldn't surprise me if it was created by them. There are also other security related articles I've seen explaining that the encryption used isn't actually as strong as once thought, something to do with an eliptical cipher or something of that nature.

You can't help but wonder what else all this math is being used for besides creating "coins" Maybe its their way of creating the biggest distributed computing system in existence. And after the creation of scrypt mining now there's two different algorithms for them to get work done with.

For the record I really hope Snowden is wrong on this, but so far he's seemed pretty credible. Also if it was created by the NSA or some other gov agency, then it's all the more reason that bitcoin will continue to live, because they'll try to keep it alive one way or another. 
newbie
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Exactly: they need cashless society. In many countries of the world cash transfer is already limited to small amount. Bitcoin is just making this process easier to accomplish.
The next step is to put a microchip into the body of everyone.
Total Orwellian Slavery is coming!
newbie
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I like NWO discussions, but find that people never think big enough! Smiley

We already have a World Currency, its called the US Dollar, you can buy anything with it, anywhere!

NWO is with us, but like all the best plans, it's controlled by ideology and directives.  The laws are only a local issue and are adapted to fit with local cultures!

Bitcoin is not a NWO plan, but might become a part of it if it proves to work. 

The point of NWO is that it don't invent anything, just manipulates control of other stuff that works and adapt it - like Newspapers, TV and the Internet!

Now it looks like I'm the one with a tin foil hat! Smiley

NWO is the Man! Wink




Agree
legendary
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF
RFID Human Implant Chip - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGcatieMvfk

Hopefully Bitcoin was built for those who might object to such tagging by a nation state.

Otherwise I guess your stuck with alt. coins (if the powers still on), gold and silver or left to barter and fend for yourself in said utopian ? / dystopian ? future ?

~ Eddie Izzard - Cake Or Death? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMMHUzm22oE

...

SCARY NEW WORLD ORDER PLANS FOR 2014 ? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3FMEf2I4zk

... and you can also find and watch the many other 'conspiracy theory' videos on the subject.
newbie
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We already have a World Currency, its called the US Dollar, you can buy anything with it, anywhere!

Not travelled much have you? :p
hero member
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Wat
The elite have enough money to participate in bitcoin by buying it with the fiat they already control. Enough to make them the elite even if bitcoin takes over. They didnt need to start it.
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I've got 800 Illuminati coin that I'm not supposed to exchange but will for bitcoin. pm me. You may have to attend Bilderberg and suck some cock at Bohemian grove but in the end it'll be well worth it.
legendary
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I believe that they are probably somehow involved
in all this.This could a way to test how would people react in one world currency.

Not really good enough to just say "I believe..." when the lizard theory is so much better. 
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I believe that they are probably somehow involved
in all this.This could a way to test how would people react in one world currency.
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Crypto News & Tutorials - Coinramble.com
I have another conspiracy theory!

Bitcoin was created by benevolent ETs to save us from an alien reptilian civilization that used people for millennia as a cheap labour to mine gold.

Watch the first half of this small video (recorded before 2005) and see what I mean! Smiley
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LQp7Or1GNU

Pay attention to the words: New systems, Network, sprouting up rapidly, excited and creative people.
If that's not about Bitcoin, I don't know what it's about...

EDIT: and yes, Bashar is an ET Smiley

Possible, absolutely possible. I've read in "ET" websites (Hint - Pleiades) that we will be going through a massive evolutionary phase after 2012, something that can change the world will happen. Honestly, Bitcoin appears to me a revolution in itself.

Will be very upset if it turned out to be some evil conspiracy.
legendary
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You cannot kill love
The NWO has had global control of the world for quite some time already. The true NWO is anarchy, freedom and heaven.
legendary
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Cause the human race isn't, nor has ever been, capable of such

well, you're talking about the human race only, which is quite a simplification  Tongue
newbie
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The Amero is an idea taken from a fictional novel, the journalist who 'reported' it got fired for being horrifically incompetent.

CIA is rogue because America is a rogue state.  The British Empire were rogue because they were the most powerful political entity.  No points to whoever can guess why America is rogue.

NWO is for people who are too lazy to do proper research into politics/history/capitalism.  You're on the right path, that is, that you're getting lied to and certain hands influence society, norms, political events more than others.  But you're too lazy to look into the nuances. 

Wanna know why NWO doesn't exist.  Cause the human race isn't, nor has ever been, capable of such - we're too erratic and we fuck up too much and there are too many of us vying for power.  If NWO exists they are doing a shitty job of controlling humanity, ask anyone who lives in a failed/failing state.  NWO did a pretty shitty job of controlling mankind when frickin Borris Yeltzin was considering a retaliatory nuclear strike against the US during the nineties, in response to satellites being launched in Poland, which he didnt know about because of retarded human error - ie Russia is so backward that the message didn't make it to him. 


Please try prove me wrong, I could do with the amusement.
legendary
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The plan of the NWO was to establish the Special Drawing Rights (SDR) of the IMF as the one world currency, possibly renamed to "Globo".
Fortunately, that did not work out.
legendary
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...snip...

This isnt so far fetched now is it?
...snip...

Im really curious to hear what others think of this. Has this been discussed before here?

It really is so far fetched.

The consensus seems to be that it was the work of David Icke's lizard people.  The NWO is a worthy contender but sadly on this occasion they just failed to impress us.  However, this issue will be debated endlessly and the NWO fans will surely come up with more arguments in their favour as time goes on.

EDIT: I was trying to be funny but the posts above me do it much better.  Well played guys. 
newbie
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lol, so the fed says it is ok.
http://qz.com/148399/ben-bernanke-bitcoin-may-hold-long-term-promise/
is like the mormon south park sketch. 'An anonymous hacker', creates a world unified currency, for me spells amero on all sides.  Not that im against a global currency.

They have much money invested on this to involve the fed, surely it will rise much higher than predicted.
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Bitcoin is rogue CIA (sometimes loyal to the USA/patriots/and free people of all nations)

That reminds me of this piece from 1995:

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"I additionally believed that one of our best defenses against the national security state was the perennial proclivity of clandestine organizations to piss off their own employees."

The End of Ordinary Money, J. Orlin Grabbe
legendary
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I don't see any advantage that Bitcoin would have for the NWO.

There is no centralized control, and that is the minimum requirement for any organization or thing they want to control.
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Why do it anonymously when it is sanctioned? Legal sanction and extra benefits beats anonymity. Especially when the monopoly of control of the money is the basis for the existence of the CIA
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The idea of rogue CIA tho.. very plausible.

Yes. There is evidence the CIA is rogue drug dealers in the business of regime overthrow and arms dealing. Bitcoin still would not have CIA origins. A one world currency is only good if you can control it. Bitcoin can't be, which is why many people are preferring it.
sr. member
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just looking for discussion.. some good points brought up. trying to get others to think outside the box. The idea of rogue CIA tho.. very plausible.
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Its not just simply NO. Im looking for discussion. Were not talking about my neighbor steve. Were talking about the BTC> BTW, my neighbors are all amish. Ever met an amish STEVE?

It is simply no when the premise is directly and obviously countered by hard evidence.
legendary
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Bitcoin is rogue CIA (sometimes loyal to the USA/patriots/and free people of all nations)
Ripple is NWO
Litecoin is a reptilian hybrid.
BBQ coin is our true savior.   Cheesy

This is probably closest to being correct.

Bitcoin was created by benevolent ETs to save us from an alien reptilian civilization that used people for millennia as a cheap labour to mine gold.

This is a strong second.

Seriously, though, yes there is a possibility that a hidden hand brought Bitcoin into existence.  But, based on what I have seen, there is a very real opposition to Bitcoin among the "NWO" types, that likely wouldn't exist if Bitcoin had been created by them.
hero member
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I have another conspiracy theory!

Bitcoin was created by benevolent ETs to save us from an alien reptilian civilization that used people for millennia as a cheap labour to mine gold.

Watch the first half of this small video (recorded before 2005) and see what I mean! Smiley
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LQp7Or1GNU

Pay attention to the words: New systems, Network, sprouting up rapidly, excited and creative people.
If that's not about Bitcoin, I don't know what it's about...

EDIT: and yes, Bashar is an ET Smiley
sr. member
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Yeah, no.

Remember, the government requiring people to report addresses is not the same as people actually reporting addresses. People are required not to download movies via torrent yet millions still do. The great thing about bitcoin and other decentralized p2p networks (freenet etc) is that even if a government wanted to regulate it, it would be extremely difficult and they wouldn't be able to get very far.

When the "NWO" or whatever wants to make a "one world currency" they do stupid things like make the Euro. Remember, they are a bunch of rich old white men. No one said they were competent.
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Its not just simply NO. Im looking for discussion. Were not talking about my neighbor steve. Were talking about the BTC> BTW, my neighbors are all amish. Ever met an amish STEVE?
Okay, how about no.

1. Bitcoin cannot be inflated.
2. Users can create as many bitcoin addresses as they want, offline.
3. Bitcoin is decentralized, and other entities cannot take coins away from you.
sr. member
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You are a geek if you are too early to the party!
I like NWO discussions, but find that people never think big enough! Smiley

We already have a World Currency, its called the US Dollar, you can buy anything with it, anywhere!

NWO is with us, but like all the best plans, it's controlled by ideology and directives.  The laws are only a local issue and are adapted to fit with local cultures!

Bitcoin is not a NWO plan, but might become a part of it if it proves to work. 

The point of NWO is that it don't invent anything, just manipulates control of other stuff that works and adapt it - like Newspapers, TV and the Internet!

Now it looks like I'm the one with a tin foil hat! Smiley

NWO is the Man! Wink


legendary
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A Great Time to Start Something!
Bitcoin is rogue CIA (sometimes loyal to the USA/patriots/and free people of all nations)
Ripple is NWO
Litecoin is a reptilian hybrid.
BBQ coin is our true savior.   Cheesy
sr. member
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Maybe gold is the one world currency created by the NWO! Shit...
legendary
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Its not just simply NO. Im looking for discussion. Were not talking about my neighbor steve. Were talking about the BTC> BTW, my neighbors are all amish. Ever met an amish STEVE?



BY GOD HE'S RIGHT
sr. member
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Its not just simply NO. Im looking for discussion. Were not talking about my neighbor steve. Were talking about the BTC> BTW, my neighbors are all amish. Ever met an amish STEVE?
legendary
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I'm pretty sure there was another topic about this.  The short answer is, no, if the group behind the NWO is trying to amass control, Bitcoin is the opposite of what they want.  They want something closer to what the banks are using, which is, money they have full control over, not an open source coin with a bunch of different alts that nobody can control without forking it and creating a new coin.  Your neighbor Steve could make his own SteveCoin--what's this got to do with the NWO?
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Have been doing a bit of reading on btc, and have always been into conspiracies and reading on NWO theories etc..
Its been known for a while, they want to create a one world currency, and just a year or so ago release the AMERO.. People speculated borders would be removed at mexico, US, and canada, and the entire continent would use this one currency (AMERO)..

Now the anonymity currently comes from the idea that you keep your 33 character address secret and thus no one can connect the bitcoin address to the real life person. But if a government was able to require to know each persons address (for your safety of course) then they could not only watch all your transactions but essentially know how much wealth each person has. This means no one could cheat taxes, and those who have more wealth then others think they should could be identified immediately. I see people posting their bitcoin addresses all over the place.. asking for donations etc..

This isnt so far fetched now is it?
The fact that this satoshi character, a supposed pseudonym, is unable to be found is a bit odd to me aswell. If I created such a complex, and beautiful system I would want to be acknowledged for that.. Perhaps the bitcoin is just the ground floor for something much larger. Theyve already got the attention of the anti government people, we're the first to pick up this system and probably bought some of the first BTC.. By 2014, many more people will be using this currency, and more and more accustomed to it..

Im really curious to hear what others think of this. Has this been discussed before here?
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