If they blocked the mining pools, mining would just be done solo.
If Microsoft rolled out an update to remove bitcoin people would just use some variant of Linux
As for blocking moving bitcoins around, if they blocked the Bitcoin P2P (Peer to Peer) network protocol, the clients can still communicate over IRC (Internet Relay Chat).
It's not illegal to use an alternative currency (after all that's what PayPal is), but it doesn't have the protection of the law unless it's equated to legal tender somehow.
Topic: Could Mining be shut down. (Read 4402 times)
Mining is done offline, and the block can be claimed by anonymous publishing to the network. It would seem that if it was illegal it would be very easy to hide.
They cannot shut down the silk road. Hell, they can't even keep drugs out of prisons. They could make such a law but it would just be another in a series of unenforcable laws.
No but they're dong a pretty god job right now legalizing "bitcoin" throught the " banking system" at the moment. it means we are just becoming a controlled currency ..by bankers When I thnk it should jus follow laws of nature . . you care for it it grows . . prosperity . . freedom . . for all. . They cannot shut down the silk road. Hell, they can't even keep drugs out of prisons. They could make such a law but it would just be another in a series of unenforcable laws.
Mining can easily be done on the darknet. Some pools even have onion websites.
If any Bitcoin activities are made illegal, people will route around them.
cheers . If any Bitcoin activities are made illegal, people will route around them.
The likelihood of mining being shut down, or even targeted by governments is extremely low. There are far easier ways to try and take down, or damage bitcoin. Of course, none of them are 'easy' to pull off, but they are all easier than shutting down mining. Some examples: 51% attack, blockchain spamming, targeting the exchanges.
Weed is indeed a currency. I paid a plumber in weed the other day in fact. And a case of beer.
People can and do trade anything for anything. For example, loaning out tools to a neighbor in return for a future favor moving furniture is a valid trade. What tends to rise to the level of money is the most easily traded and most accepted good or commodity. So while your weed & beer exchange was definitely a trade in the economic sense for plumbing services, most people would not say it has risen to the level of money.
Bitcoin balances in the global account book (block chain) is a traded commodity also, but is still working on reaching widespread use as money. Ease of trade and general acceptability are not there yet, though they have been improving quite rapidly.
Bitcoin depends on miners right. . What if mining became " Illegal." What to do then. solutions. .
Let them try xD
Mining is done offline, and the block can be claimed by anonymous publishing to the network. It would seem that if it was illegal it would be very easy to hide.
They cannot shut down the silk road. Hell, they can't even keep drugs out of prisons. They could make such a law but it would just be another in a series of unenforcable laws.
They cannot shut down the silk road. Hell, they can't even keep drugs out of prisons. They could make such a law but it would just be another in a series of unenforcable laws.
Mining can easily be done on the darknet. Some pools even have onion websites.
If any Bitcoin activities are made illegal, people will route around them.
If any Bitcoin activities are made illegal, people will route around them.
No, mining could be made illegal but it will never be shut down as long as doing it is worth something. Since when has making something illegal stopped people from doing it if people really wanted to?
you have no idea or the future or the politics of this planet . . Do you follow any political financial or wordly events>. If so can i ask which ones?
Rob E.
The death penalty? Life in prison? For running a piece of software that does nothing but solve maths?
Think positively.
Drink green tea. Pretend you're on a calm beach.
The death penalty? Life in prison? For running a piece of software that does nothing but solve maths?
Think positively.
Drink green tea. Pretend you're on a calm beach.
FROM NOW ON ANY DIVERTIONAL CURRENCY CONTRARY TO THE STATE WILL BE MADE ILLEGAL AND BE PUNISHABLE BY DEATH OR LIFE IMPRISONMENT FOR THE GOOD OF THE SURVIVAL OF THE NATION AND SURVIVAL OF ITS CITIZENS . EASY .
Cool. First off, you've just spent a few million getting lawyers to write that & to make sure that it will hold up in court, and second, what about in the UK? That law won't apply there, so now you gotta go work with the UK government as well, and repeat for 208 countries. Would take years.
And then what happens when it goes to court and somebody makes a case that Bitcoins aren't currency, because Bitcoin doesn't fit the current legal definition of a currency (which is true). That will have to be changed to.
Its not just as easy as that.
Also, where will they get all the money to keep all those people in prison? It costs $10,000 a year to keep someone in jail. New budget has to be introduced as well.
I'm surprized you would let someone else -anyone else call me a "crackehead" as it is contrary to any thing morpheous stood for or the ideoloygy of the matrix stood for and to use this on me . . is disrespectfull to the Mpth degee. You have no incling who you you are talking to or what you are using to try to discredit me . . you are scum .. In "Hero" status".
FROM NOW ON ANY DIVERTIONAL CURRENCY CONTRARY TO THE STATE WILL BE MADE ILLEGAL AND BE PUNISHABLE BY DEATH OR LIFE IMPRISONMENT FOR THE GOOD OF THE SURVIVAL OF THE NATION AND SURVIVAL OF ITS CITIZENS . EASY .
Cool. First off, you've just spent a few million getting lawyers to write that & to make sure that it will hold up in court, and second, what about in the UK? That law won't apply there, so now you gotta go work with the UK government as well, and repeat for 208 countries. Would take years.
And then what happens when it goes to court and somebody makes a case that Bitcoins aren't currency, because Bitcoin doesn't fit the current legal definition of a currency (which is true). That will have to be changed to.
Its not just as easy as that.
Also, where will they get all the money to keep all those people in prison? It costs $10,000 a year to keep someone in jail. New budget has to be introduced as well.
^ is that to me?
no . pf you cuolld just make " mining illegal .
FROM NOW ON ANY DIVERTIONAL CURRENCY CONTRARY TO THE STATE WILL BE MADE ILLEGAL AND BE PUNISHABLE BY DEATH OR LIFE IMPRISONMENT FOR THE GOOD OF THE SURVIVAL OF THE NATION AND SURVIVAL OF ITS CITIZENS . EASY .
FROM NOW ON ANY DIVERTIONAL CURRENCY CONTRARY TO THE STATE WILL BE MADE ILLEGAL AND BE PUNISHABLE BY DEATH OR LIFE IMPRISONMENT FOR THE GOOD OF THE SURVIVAL OF THE NATION AND SURVIVAL OF ITS CITIZENS . EASY .
Attempting to stop bitcoin mining would be more futile than herding cats.
cheers. . But how. .You'd have to declare martial law and have every computing device open to search and seizure.
It's got Nothing to do with countries " hating " each other what a bogus line a Deluded line. .You are beyond delusional . .
I'm the delusional one?
Its called international relations. Can you imagine the US trying to convince Iraq to make Bitcoin mining illegal?
Now, compare this whole scenario to the fact that anyone with $50 million can 51% attack Bitcoin and destroy it that way. Which scenario do we worry about?
I personally think I'm much more likely to get struck by lightening than Bitcoin mining being made illegal.
uh.... most other normal people don't even know what mining is (bitcoin mining). Heck, they don't even know about bitcoin at all.
Then you'd have to inspect every computer for mining software. There are botnets now that do everything that is already illegal, it hasn't stopped those.
If the internet were made illegal, how do you stop it?
Then you'd have to inspect every computer for mining software. There are botnets now that do everything that is already illegal, it hasn't stopped those.
If the internet were made illegal, how do you stop it?
Yankee noted . . And this guy has two thousand posts. unbelievable. .
No one understands what you are posting.
Attempting to stop bitcoin mining would be more futile than herding cats.
cheers. . But how. . Whose " everybody" the 2 to 20 % supplying us with bit coins. . ..
we all need to do it .. Everyone. .
we all need to do it .. Everyone. .
OK, let just look at this situation carefully.
We've got 208 countries in 7 continents. Very few of these countries government know anything about Bitcoin & many of these countries hate each other & will not talk to each other. There is no way they would all make Bitcoin mining illegal, at least one country is going to agree with Bitcoin as a concept and not want to ban it (in the weed example this would be Holland) or just not care, or want to increase tax income by allowing it.
What is more likely than every country banning it is that the US try to create a UN mandate banning Bitcoin mining. This means it would be illegal (controlled) in 193 countries. This is also extremely unlikely & would be heavily disputed & would take years and years to happen.
Its almost more likely that the super intelligent alien theory happens than a mandate coming out banning Bitcoin mining, but lets pretend it happens. How do they even catch anyone doing it? Miners IP's can be obfuscated using TOR, hard drives can be encrypted (in case of a raid by police) power bills can be reduced to nothing using ASIC's & said ASIC's can be manufactured in clandestine factories. How would they even begin to go around catching miners?
If Bitcoin mining was made illegal, I'd estimate less than 10% would stop as its not a morally wrong thing to do & its extremely hard to get caught doing and even harder to prosecute when caught.
Attempting to stop bitcoin mining would be more futile than herding cats.
Currency and weed have very little in common, but Yankee was trying to point out that even though weed is illegal, its everywhere. It being illegal doesn't stop people from using it, its more popular now than back when it was legal. The same applies if mining was made illegal, it wouldn't stop people from mining.
Weed is indeed a currency. I paid a plumber in weed the other day in fact. And a case of beer.
Two are totally distinguishable.
It still applies.
You think that if mining is made illegal, that everybody in the world is going to stop mining?
Currency and weed have very little in common, but Yankee was trying to point out that even though weed is illegal, its everywhere. It being illegal doesn't stop people from using it, its more popular now than back when it was legal. The same applies if mining was made illegal, it wouldn't stop people from mining.
Weed is indeed a currency. I paid a plumber in weed the other day in fact. And a case of beer.
Oh oh no no, artificially high profits because some people will be scared, oh no, please, no, Mr Politician.
This is hilarious. What if they made alcohol illegal? Oh, been there, done that.
The point people are trying to make is that no solution is needed because enforcement is impossible.
And a best case for enforcement is that it may hinder mining in one country and just push some mining to other countries. And even if huge attempts were made at enforcement miners would just use a secure proxy and send traffic to another country. The traffic for mining is tiny and easily hidden if need be.
The point people are trying to make is that no solution is needed because enforcement is impossible.
And a best case for enforcement is that it may hinder mining in one country and just push some mining to other countries. And even if huge attempts were made at enforcement miners would just use a secure proxy and send traffic to another country. The traffic for mining is tiny and easily hidden if need be.
Whose " everybody" the 2 to 20 % supplying us with bit coins. . ..
we all need to do it .. Everyone. .
we all need to do it .. Everyone. .
Two are totally distinguishable.
It still applies.
You think that if mining is made illegal, that everybody in the world is going to stop mining?
there is is no significance between bitcoin and weed . . On Any front. .
Two are totally distinguishable.
Currency and weed have very little in common, but Yankee was trying to point out that even though weed is illegal, its everywhere. It being illegal doesn't stop people from using it, its more popular now than back when it was legal. The same applies if mining was made illegal, it wouldn't stop people from mining.
Yankee noted . . And this guy has two thousand posts. unbelievable. .
No one understands what you are posting.
Yankee noted . . And this guy has two thousand posts. unbelievable. .
No one understands what you are posting.
Yankee noted . . And this guy has two thousand posts. unbelievable. .
Wat is weird is that you are comparing bitcoin to weed growing .. This isn't a currency of weed growers . . it's a currency of revolutionists. .
I think your the one who is high lol
The point of the comparison and my response was to ask you: How could the government legally define mining and enforce it in a way it'll be upheld in court.
The weed comparison was in response to your comment
I'm not into difficulties . . weed growing and currencies are two different things ..
Thank you.
Wat is weird is that you are comparing bitcoin to weed growing .. This isn't a currency of weed growers . . it's a currency of revolutionists. .
I think your the one who is high lol
The point of the comparison and my response was to ask you: How could the government legally define mining and enforce it in a way it'll be upheld in court.
The weed comparison was in response to your comment
yeh real clear . .
They would need to ban computers first.
"Could bitcoin suffer a 51% attack from super intelligent aliens working out block solutions in their head?"
Wat is weird is that you are comparing bitcoin to weed growing .. This isn't a currency of weed growers . . it's a currency of revolutionists. .
I think your the one who is high lol
The point of the comparison and my response was to ask you: How could the government legally define mining and enforce it in a way it'll be upheld in court.
The weed comparison was in response to your comment
Wat is weird is that you are comparing bitcoin to weed growing .. This isn't a currency of weed growers . . it's a currency of revolutionists. .
So when the non-existent unified one world government makes mining illegal in all 208? countries on the planet ... how exactly would they enforce it?
Last time I checked growing certain herbs is illegal (in some parts of the world, sometimes, for some reasons) however I am pretty sure people still grow them.
yeh i know. But in all due respect it would be a lot easier to shut down the miners then the system. . Last time I checked growing certain herbs is illegal (in some parts of the world, sometimes, for some reasons) however I am pretty sure people still grow them.
no ?
No,
Weed growing is a lot easier to find and shut down, and it would have to be a massive grow for them to take notice.
Most people grow 1-3 plants which is ridiculously hard to find and shut down. You'd be have to be running like 1 Terahashes for them to even notice.
Mining can survive on many smallers nodes, but the marijuana industry relies on large Mexican drug lords that if shut down could heavily stop the flow of weed into the US.
Thats what this so called 'War on Drugs' is about.
Still, how do they differentiate mining traffic with regular internet traffic ?
Satoshi was a genius to use the concept of mining to grow the currency.
So when the non-existent unified one world government makes mining illegal in all 208? countries on the planet ... how exactly would they enforce it?
Last time I checked growing certain herbs is illegal (in some parts of the world, sometimes, for some reasons) however I am pretty sure people still grow them.
yeh i know. But in all due respect it would be a lot easier to shut down the miners then the system. . Last time I checked growing certain herbs is illegal (in some parts of the world, sometimes, for some reasons) however I am pretty sure people still grow them.
no ?
No,
Weed growing is a lot easier to find and shut down, and it would have to be a massive grow for them to take notice.
Most people grow 1-3 plants which is ridiculously hard to find and shut down. You'd be have to be running like 1 Terahashes for them to even notice.
Mining can survive on many smallers nodes, but the marijuana industry relies on large Mexican drug lords that if shut down could heavily stop the flow of weed into the US.
Thats what this so called 'War on Drugs' is about.
Still, how do they differentiate mining traffic with regular internet traffic ?
Satoshi was a genius to use the concept of mining to grow the currency.
Not a play at all it could be done . to deny is foolish. .
HOW?
?? Not trying to be harsh I promise but at the moment I think my super intelligent aliens are a more credible threat :p . So when the non-existent unified one world government makes mining illegal in all 208? countries on the planet ... how exactly would they enforce it?
Last time I checked growing certain herbs is illegal (in some parts of the world, sometimes, for some reasons) however I am pretty sure people still grow them.
yeh i know. But in all due respect it would be a lot easier to shut down the miners then the system. . Last time I checked growing certain herbs is illegal (in some parts of the world, sometimes, for some reasons) however I am pretty sure people still grow them.
no ?
No,
Weed growing is a lot easier to find and shut down, and it would have to be a massive grow for them to take notice.
Most people grow 1-3 plants which is ridiculously hard to find and shut down. You'd be have to be running like 1 Terahashes for them to even notice.
Mining can survive on many smallers nodes, but the marijuana industry relies on large Mexican drug lords that if shut down could heavily stop the flow of weed into the US.
Thats what this so called 'War on Drugs' is about.
Still, how do they differentiate mining traffic with regular internet traffic ?
Satoshi was a genius to use the concept of mining to grow the currency.
Nope, still don't get you.
How is this treat that will shut down all miners on the globe going to manifest itself?
Its nice playing "what if" scenarios, but they need some sort of credence before you should consider planning to counter them. If we had to plan for every contingency it would be ridiculous, for example;-
"Could bitcoin suffer a 51% attack from super intelligent aliens working out block solutions in their head?"
Not a play at all it could be done . to deny is foolish. . How is this treat that will shut down all miners on the globe going to manifest itself?
Its nice playing "what if" scenarios, but they need some sort of credence before you should consider planning to counter them. If we had to plan for every contingency it would be ridiculous, for example;-
"Could bitcoin suffer a 51% attack from super intelligent aliens working out block solutions in their head?"
drugs or prostitution aren't bit coin. . sad you see them put on one line . . One is actually for good.
Nope, still don't get you.
How is this treat that will shut down all miners on the globe going to manifest itself?
Its nice playing "what if" scenarios, but they need some sort of credence before you should consider planning to counter them. If we had to plan for every contingency it would be ridiculous, for example;-
"Could bitcoin suffer a 51% attack from super intelligent aliens working out block solutions in their head?"
How is this treat that will shut down all miners on the globe going to manifest itself?
Its nice playing "what if" scenarios, but they need some sort of credence before you should consider planning to counter them. If we had to plan for every contingency it would be ridiculous, for example;-
"Could bitcoin suffer a 51% attack from super intelligent aliens working out block solutions in their head?"
in order for bitcoin to survive miners need to be protected . and if you got a rig drawing 2 grand a month . . it's easy picking fairly easy to be discovered .. unless we all have a payable programe joining in unity -in part to draw bitcoins . .as a unity .. like a lotto. but that means we all need to chip in . That way the source of bitcoin minning could never be shut down. . d'you know what i mean?
yeh i know. But in all due respect it would be a lot easier to shut down the miners then the system. .
no ?
no ?
The question you have to ask is how? Sure, the US could make mining illegal but that is just the US, perhaps it could pressure other governments to do the same but not all governments will fall into line (most wont if you ask me).
So when the non-existent unified one world government makes mining illegal in all 208? countries on the planet ... how exactly would they enforce it?
Last time I checked growing certain herbs is illegal (in some parts of the world, sometimes, for some reasons) however I am pretty sure people still grow them.
yeh i know. But in all due respect it would be a lot easier to shut down the miners then the system. . Last time I checked growing certain herbs is illegal (in some parts of the world, sometimes, for some reasons) however I am pretty sure people still grow them.
no ?
Illegal where?
Mining is spread all over the world, I don't think we actually need a solution.
Mining is spread all over the world, I don't think we actually need a solution.
So when the non-existent unified one world government makes mining illegal in all 208? countries on the planet ... how exactly would they enforce it?
Last time I checked growing certain herbs is illegal (in some parts of the world, sometimes, for some reasons) however I am pretty sure people still grow them.
Last time I checked growing certain herbs is illegal (in some parts of the world, sometimes, for some reasons) however I am pretty sure people still grow them.
Bitcoin depends on miners right. . What if mining became " Illegal." What to do then. solutions. .
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