Topic: Could this be true about covid-19 killer vaccine (Read 224 times)

The symptoms of covid are similar to pneumonia and because of how easily covid can be transmitted, tested patients are immediately quarantined. Wishing me death from your end because of our differences is very immature. And I now understand that the rank doesn't make the man, you are unworthy of the Legendary rank. You're probably one of those who were here before the merit system and had to do little or nothing to get merits.

Pneumonia is an infection that inflames the air sacs in one or both lungs. The air sacs may fill with fluid or pus (purulent material)...

the unvaxxed 75 year old i knew had a stroke and not healthy living and walks like a weakling. covid19 come and go in 3-4 days like it was an ordinary cold no hospitalization required.

if bodies were piled on the streets..didn't see it from where i am, people are just complaining that anything that goes in the hospitals are being labeled as covid19 for profit. the flu disappeared, pneumonia is automatically called covid19.

there is also someone i talked to recently, a family member was labeled as pneumonia-covid19 but the papers were not released yet because the x-ray was a perfectly normal lungs.

ohh i wish you end up in that pile you are talking about.   

the unvaxxed 75 year old i knew had a stroke and not healthy living and walks like a weakling. covid19 come and go in 3-4 days like it was an ordinary cold no hospitalization required.

if bodies were piled on the streets..didn't see it from where i am, people are just complaining that anything that goes in the hospitals are being labeled as covid19 for profit. the flu disappeared, pneumonia is automatically called covid19.

there is also someone i talked to recently, a family member was labeled as pneumonia-covid19 but the papers were not released yet because the x-ray was a perfectly normal lungs.

ohh i wish you end up in that pile you are talking about.   

We are still facing the after effect of covid-19. Many lives were lost, stock market crashed, economy was down, we were shut in our hikes for months. All because of some virus that did not have a cure Thankfully after months and months of research, scientists have developed a vaccine approved by WHO btw and some people with zero qualification in science and medicine want to trash talk the the efforts of good working men. The vaccine isn't killing any one, it is not creating variants, there is no evil conspiracy to turn humans to robots. Truly if you had a relative who had the virus barely hanging on for dear life then you would be more understanding. Mortality rate has reduced drastically, I can think back to when bodies were piled on the streets, hospitals full of patients and we had to volunteer to help because there wasn't enough staff. I'm getting angry as I type these words. There will be those that see a conspiracy even in Paradise

Sure. It would be weird if vaccines didn't apply selection pressure. But this doesn't give credence to the OP's statement that 'it is the vaccination that is creating the variants'. It is clearly not. Mutations arise naturally due to replication errors. Evolution proceeds through natural selection, which means some mutations thrive, others don't. Vaccines don't create variants. The number of variants (mutations) that arise is proportional to the number of instances of the virus in existence. If you reduce the number of particles of virus in existence, through vaccination, then you reduce the number of mutations. The delta variant that is causing so much trouble in the highly-vaccinated UK arose in India, where vaccination levels are very low.

Also (and I'm not saying you're doing this, I'm simply making the point) we can't argue that 'vaccines apply selection pressure to favour vaccine-resistant variants, therefore vaccines are bad'... for one thing it's a circular argument (vaccines lead to things that are resistant to vaccines, therefore vaccines are useless), and secondly it neglects the evidence in favour of vaccines... consider smallpox eradication as an example. Antibiotic resistance is a similar phenomenon - are antibiotics pointless?



Well, there is the massive number of hospitalisations and the 4 million dead to consider.


The curve diminished because of lockdowns and other preventative action, masks, social distancing, etc. As is quite evident from the second wave following directly after the ending of lockdowns. And this is all prior to the introduction of the vaccines.
The question of variants is less relevant in an unvaccinated population - whether people are catching the initial strain or a variant is immaterial if the effects are the same. Variants become important if a vaccine is designed to protect only against the initial strain. But also, obviously it takes high case numbers and time for variants to become established. It's not going to happen instantly at the beginning of the first wave.


Then we are in agreement.


I've presented the data in the charts above. Your statement is without foundation.


Evolution through mutation and natural selection is a straightforward concept. It is not difficult to understand.


Smallpox. Polio. Tetanus. Hepatitis. etc, etc.


I'm sure plenty of pharmaceutical companies are making vast profits from vaccines. This is how the economy is designed. It's working as intended. No need for a massive global conspiracy to explain ordinary behaviour.

Impact of Old World diseases
Europeans-introduced smallpox & devastated the indigenous populations of the Americas

Epidemics incidentally introduced by the Spanish included smallpox, measles and influenza. These diseases, together with typhus and yellow fever, had a major impact on Maya populations.[77] The Old World diseases brought with the Spanish and against which the indigenous New World peoples had no resistance were a deciding factor in the conquest; they decimated populations before battles were even fought.[78] It is estimated that 90% of the indigenous population had been eliminated by disease within the first century of European contact.[79]

A single soldier arriving in Mexico in 1520 was carrying smallpox and initiated the devastating plagues that swept through the native populations of the Americas.[80] Modern estimates of native population decline vary from 75% to 90% mortality. Maya written histories suggest that smallpox was rapidly transmitted throughout the Maya area the same year that it arrived in central Mexico. Among the most deadly diseases were the aforementioned smallpox, influenza, measles and a number of pulmonary diseases, including tuberculosis.[81] Modern knowledge of the impact of these diseases on populations with no prior exposure suggests that 33–50% of the population of the Maya highlands perished.[82]

These diseases swept through Yucatán in the 1520s and 1530s, with periodic recurrences throughout the 16th century. By the late 16th century, malaria had arrived in the region, and yellow fever was first reported in the mid-17th century. Mortality was high, with approximately 50% of the population of some Yucatec Maya settlements being wiped out.[81] Those areas of the peninsula that experience damper conditions became rapidly depopulated after the conquest with the introduction of malaria and other waterborne parasites.[7] The native population of the northeastern portion of the peninsula was almost completely eliminated within fifty years of the conquest.[59] Soconusco also suffered catastrophic population collapse, with an estimated 90–95% drop.[83]

In the south, conditions conducive to the spread of malaria existed throughout Petén and Belize.[59] In Tabasco the population of approximately 30,000 was reduced by an estimated 90%, with measles, smallpox, catarrhs, dysentery and fevers being the main culprits.[59] At the time of the fall of Nojpetén in 1697, there are estimated to have been 60,000 Maya living around Lake Petén Itzá, including a large number of refugees from other areas. It is estimated that 88% of them died during the first ten years of colonial rule owing to a combination of disease and war.[84]

Evolutionary pressures on pathogens applied by vaccines is a well known and accepted phenomenon.

The epidemiology curve looked just like any other seasonal cold for a year

Curve spiked early then diminished on it's way to zero.  No 'variants' of any consequence over and above what is normal for any other coronavirus.

For my part, I actually doubt that the accelerated evolution via vaccine pressures had much to do with the 'variants'.

there is a huge need for an excuse about why the so-called 'vaccine' doesn't seem to be doing shit and is in fact killing and maiming people at an alarming rate.

they just say 'variants' knowing that nobody understands it and the propagandists like those writing fakey1's talking points can make hay with it.

feeble attempts to take over from the natural human immune system ('vaccines')

they are exactly what Big Pharma needs/wants for their sales.

covid vaccine is based on the alpha strain

   

yep its actually the unvaxxed causing more spread and more mutations

Actually, exactly the opposite happens to be true.  Evolutionary pressures on pathogens applied by vaccines is a well known and accepted phenomenon.  This is one of the main reasons for what is known as 'vaccine failure'.

  https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-vaccines-can-drive-pathogens-to-evolve-20180510/

This is a breathtakingly stupid statement, which reveals a lack of even the most rudimentary grasp of science and how mutations arise naturally from copying errors.

“The history books will show that, because it is the vaccination that is creating the variants.”

The rate at which vaccinated people are dieing these days is alarming and an urgent review need to be taken to prevent further escalation.

The rate at which vaccinated people are dieing these days is alarming