Topic: Could world war 3 be inevitable? (Read 260 times)

As much as there are those who benefit from war, I don't think any country wants an all-out world war. It will be too devastating. This is why a lot of countries try their possible best not to involve themselves in the war between Russia and Ukraine officially.
World War 2 was bad, world war 3 will see a total annihilation of cities and even countries.
I cannot predict how things will be in a thousand years to come, but the world is threading on a thin line right now, any little thing can cause trouble and if not checked it can escalate.

Scary, isn't it! Or haven't you read?

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The Darkness Ahead: Where The Ukraine War Is Headed

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https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine
First, is a meaningful peace agreement possible? My answer is no. We are now in a war where both sides – Ukraine and the West on one side and Russia on the other – see each other as an existential threat that must be defeated. Given maximalist objectives all around, it is almost impossible to reach a workable peace treaty. Moreover, the two sides have irreconcilable differences regarding territory and Ukraine's relationship with the West. The best possible outcome is a frozen conflict that could easily turn back into a hot war. The worst possible outcome is a nuclear war, which is unlikely but cannot be ruled out. 

Second, which side is likely to win the war? Russia will ultimately win the war, although it will not decisively defeat Ukraine. In other words, it is not going to conquer all of Ukraine, which is necessary to achieve three of Moscow's goals: overthrowing the regime, demilitarizing the country, and severing Kyiv's security ties with the West. But it will end up annexing a large swath of Ukrainian territory, while turning Ukraine into a dysfunctional rump state. In other words, Russia will win an ugly victory.

Before I directly address these issues, three preliminary points are in order. For starters, I am attempting to predict the future, which is not easy to do, given that we live in an uncertain world. Thus, I am not arguing that I have the truth; in fact, some of my claims may be proved wrong. Furthermore, I am not saying what I would like to see happen. I am not rooting for one side or the other. I am simply telling you what I think will happen as the war moves forward. Finally, I am not justifying Russian behavior or the actions of any of the states involved in the conflict. I am just explaining their actions.

Now, let me turn to substance.

Where We Are Today

To understand where the Ukraine war is headed, it is necessary to first assess the present situation. It is important to know how the three main actors – Russia, Ukraine, and the West – think about their threat environment and conceive their goals. When we talk about the West, however, we are talking mainly about the United States, since its European allies take their marching orders from Washington when it comes to Ukraine. It is also essential to understand the present situation on the battlefield. Let me start with Russia's threat environment and its goals.
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The fast way to solve the Ukraine vs. Russia crisis is not to wait for elections in 2024. The fast way is to support Putin as shown below. Support? Support by showing people that it is really the US that is behind this war, so that they can urge Putin to stop the war, as shown below.

This war has gone way beyond the idea of protecting Russians and Ukrainians in the Donbas regions from the corrupt Ukrainian government and military. Putin >>> STOP THE WAR! You are only hurting yourself, Russia, and Ukraine, by dragging it out, and allowing it to be dragged out, longer.


Geopolitical Evolution: Russia's 'Rebellion' & A Return To Gold-Backed Currency

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/geopolitical-evolution-russias-rebellion-return-gold-backed-currency
At the time of writing, existing members, those who have applied to join and those expressing an interest total 36 nations, with over 60% of the world's population and one-third of global GDP.

Plans for a new trade currency backed by gold appear to be on the agenda for the BRICS meeting in Johannesburg in August. In this article, the geopolitical aspects of its introduction are considered, and the indications that how it will involve gold are discussed. The mechanics of this project are then suggested.

But first, we look at the situation in Ukraine, attempting to put the recent Wagner rebellion into context. Furthermore, Russia's deteriorating trade surplus, weakness of the rouble and rising bond yields suggest that it is time for President Putin to put an end to Ukraine's misery. He is likely to do this by attacking Kiev, which is only 60 miles from Belarus, while the bulk of Ukraine's army is distracted by operations over 400 miles to the south and east.
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Even if the US gives Ukraine a wide range of weapons from now until 2024, the Russians won't give up their position on Ukrainian soil anytime soon.
Because the entire war has been fought on Ukrainian soil, Ukraine should exercise caution regarding the ongoing conflict with Russia. The same level of weaponry that was to be given to Ukraine's armies to destroy the Russians, will be the same weaponry Russians will be applied on them back.

The US election will take place in 2024. I sincerely hope that a new administration, not Biden, will be in charge in order to work toward a lasting peace and a referendum between the two countries (Ukraine and Russia).

I don't know, I have my own things to do, and do it in the best that I can. And by doing those, the little thing that another one that I can do is to not contributor to those factors that we've mentioned by simply being a good and law-abiding citizen.

And by next year, the US presidential election is going to be a big factor for whatever is happening in the world. These wars have been triggered by their funding to these wars and if another president that has the same stance for it then we can't expect anything from it.

The problem with this thinking is that the war is not between Russia and Ukraine. Rather, it is between the US/Nato and Russia. And it is an economic/financial war between them.

As such, this war, since it is also based in the SWIFT financial system vs. the new system being developed by BRICS, easily might be the entry into a new kind of world war.

The SWIFT system is international, even though no country is required to use it. All major countries DO use SWIFT, however, because it works. But many countries don't like the controlling way it works, essentially making slaves of other nations simply by the fact that the US banking system is the one that gets paid by everybody who uses SWIFT.

Perhaps BRICS freedom ideals are based in greed. But their greed is far less than the greed of the banking system that developed SWIFT.

In as much as World War III is a certain event to take place in the future, the world between Russia and Ukraine will not be a stepping stone to it anytime soon. I've watched documentaries and read history about the various causes of what would happen that can lead to that, and the current conflict between the two countries has nothing to do with it. No matter how long their fight lasts, it will not lead to World fight 3.

It's nice that we can sit here in a free forum and talk. But what can we do about the things we talk about?

The world needs a rest from all of these wards and it's almost in every country.

I agree, we also do get these wars in cyberspace and even a country's own government is experiencing its own civil war. That's why I don't think that we will see the world take a rest from all of these types of wars and if the actual world war 3 will come for which it will be China and US, that's gonna be big and it could not even be with those arms but with a biological warfare.

Since Russia is losing terrain every day in the battlefield there is no risk of WW3 from this war.All these powerful countries will not be happy to serve Russia in such a reckless behavior and they will not be willing to spend any amount of money,reserves,man power just to help Putin imperial ill dreams fantasy,it does not work like that.

Most likely the war will end in 2024 or it could have been sooner if US provided Ukraine with long range weapons and now the Biden administration is seriously looking to provide Ukraine such weapons which would end the war sooner than expected.

War isn’t so easy to define anymore. I personally believe we are at war though. The flood of drugs killing Americans, the rise of mental illness, our food supply chain being destroyed, outright lies being told by our government. All of this doesn’t happen without major outside influence. I think you’d have to be not paying attention to not see that America is under attack.

Russia might bring out the nukes before "WW3" is declared.

No one is willing to sacrifice their security and safety over Ukraine or Russia. NATO will gladly supply arms to Ukraine to curb Russian aggression and that will be the extent of their support. I recall the lunacy in the early days of the initial invasion of people calling for a no-fly zone to be established over Ukraine -- that was a ticket to WW3. Thankfully, the West didn't cave to the military industrial complex (for once!)

     In a very concise response I will say we are already in it already but it is yet to physically escalate.
When different countries are weighing their support on Russia and some on Ukraine you will agree with me that this is a typical proxy war if not so the war between Ukraine and Russia would have ended a long time.

I also believe we won't see an actual war but not because of the point you used. The people that take part in wars don't actually care about the havoc they wreak on their enemies. They may think about how it would wreck their own country, but they believe it is the only way to fight back.
Russian didn't think about the havoc it would unleash when it went ahead and started an all out invasion on Ukraine. Even if they did think about it, they didn't care.
I believe WW3 will not happen because there are bodies to make sure it doesn't happen. If those bodies fail, then we might be in a lot of trouble.
WW3 should be the dear of everybody alive. There will be no winners in a war like that. The whole world would be in shambles.

Nothing like world war III coming and no one ever expect that coming because it's not something they can contain if it started, one or the fear we all run for is the introduction of nuclear weapons, this alone is what other countries can use to oppress the others if they are not interested in what they see others doing, but regarding the reshuffling of world order, this will beba contention for the quest of those that have the more power to threat others to be in rule or make their stand stay a d it also have to do with power tussles.

You probably need to first come up with a definition for a World War that everyone agrees with. According to what Joe Biden said, it would seem we are already in World War 3. I don’t think the current conflicts are going to continue escalating for much longer. In 18 months I think sanity will be restored and we can begin healing from the covid nightmare and all the chaos it caused. We just need to try and make it through the rest of this insane administration’s stolen time in office.

A lot of nations did sanction Russia in the demonstration with Ukraine and still, we have them persisting in there affairs. Sanctions only work as much as nations allow them to and these nations are out there seeking alternatives to the benefits they are getting.
Let's not forget, they are sovereign and having to question there decisions is an infringement of there sovereignty.

I don't see a world war three occurring, just a reshuffling of world order and this would happen peacefully.

Powerful countries? Everything else than China on that list are third world countries compared to countries backing Ukraine.

Third world war would be close if USA would withdraw from Nato or that alliance would fall apart somehow. After that there would be less deterrent keeping Russia in check.
Russia would definitely try to push some buttons like see what happens if they "accidentally" violated some airspaces again, and some other tactics they have tried before.

In case you are not prepared for the imminent war that may surface soon, you need to look for the safest place to be if the war start. I can see that American government want to sanction South Africa for joining the BRICS countries because of they have what it takes. So many things are happening and the war had affected a lot of people especially those living in Ukraine and the victim of the war. Now Ukraine government really wants to negotiate because there country is almost destroyed and it's going to take a lot of years for things to be normal building there country again.

As Venezuelan, I would like to let you know something about this government and other governments which are not necessarily super powers and are in favor of Russia, we do it not because we are in favor of an invasion, it is because we likely owe a lot of money to Russia and China... So we cannot lose the "good relationships" between our benefactors.

If we lost those, then there may noone who would help us to face other antagonist administrations, in the case of Venezuela, we have problems with USA and the European Union.

What would you call all the wars since WW2? Police actions? Some of them were rather large.

If WW3 happens, it will not be a devastating as many think. Even if it is nukes, and billions die, all it will do is send the living back to the stone age... temporarily. Technical knowledge will not be lost completely. So, people will start back up into the next technical age fairly soon.

If we think of the human nature, I think it's inevitable. We've been away of combined confrontation among nations for quite a time now.
A war involving two different groups of a number of countries spanning over different continents could be called a world war.
Current events of nations forming an association to isolate others, there would come another counter-association that tackles them.
When a large number of country finds war to be a more beneficial way of sorting out their status, and their own population tend to favor it regardless of the pain, there would be a world war.

No matter, I do not want the situation to develop into a full scale war as serious as WWIII. Many innocent people will die and become displaced, Many properties will be destroyed before the war will stop. That crisis will spoil everything and every activity that someone has planned to do to better their life. Maybe it will help Bitcoins become more popular among people, but many Bitcoins will be lost too, many people who have them will die, may passphrase will be lost. The changes that Russia and Ukraine crisis have brought will be nothing compared to the changes if the war involves more countries.

We know it could happen someday because powerful countries always have a financial budget when it comes to war research and they always update their ammunition to the point when they created Nuclear Weapons that can actually destroy Human Civilizations on Earth. Thankfully most conflicts right now don't result in a quick war like in the old era where they quickly mass up and wage war against their enemy country. right now, they are always careful not to go first because they are calculating the deadly consequences. If it's me, I don't want any war because I know how tough it is to migrate all the time and you will gonna missed the comfortable bed you have at home once the war will broke out.

No one will ever want this to happen especially for those that have witnessed something similar to this before, it will cost a lot of lost of lives especially the innocent souls, people's displacement, destruction of goods and properties, unrest and fear, economy inbalances and lots of threats, we can take the good example of the experience and consequences with the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine and maybe learn.

yes,we can learn the past ww1 and ww2. many people dead more than 100million people including civilian. Now we risk nuclear war, if they push too far.
I don't like ww3, when the internet, today's world information is easier and faster to find out, just like japan in the past century so they don't want to repeat that mistake again

These nations you mentioned might be supporting either Russia or Ukraine but none of them want to be directly involved in fighting. They can give arms, money, or other support but joining the war is always never an option because these nations know the consequences of war. The First and second world war was devastating to many countries but a third world war might lead to Armageddon. The kind of arms and ammunition most nations have now has the potential of causing colossal damage to the world. And I am sure Russia, NATO, and their supporter know the consequences of a third world war and none of them will be willing to go through such a risky adventure. The amount of chemical, biological, and military weapons at the disposal of many nations now are enormous and it will take the world centuries to recover from the release of these deadly weapons. I am sure all of them want peace now because both parties didn't expect the war in Ukraine to last this long. But if the war finally erupts or starts, it will surely lead to the rise of new world powers because the current world powers with come out of the war powerless because of the colossal losses they will experience.

I hope there is no WW3 imminent. What leads me to think it won’t happen is because of the sheer devastation it’d wreak on the world. Nuclear weapons of mass destruction would be used, it’d be too dangerous. All countries would fear being sent some back in return if they decided to engage first. Any potential multi nation conflict would more likely be carried out via sanctions, cutting off food lines etc. I do not think we will see an actual war.

As we can all see how remorseless the russia invasion to ukraine have been and how the fight have lasted more than expected,and also seen countries like America,
Australia, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Japan,Latvia, Lithuania,Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Portugal, South Korea etc have been supporting the Ukraine.
While other countries like North korea,Belarus, Syria, Eritrea,Nicaragua, Venezuela, Kyrgyzstan,iran,china,india,myanmar,mali etc have also been backing Russia respectively in the ongoing war.
My question now is how long will these powerful countries keep backing russia and ukraine before it decisively eventuate to world war |||?