Couldnt bitcoin be stabilized just by limiting the volume of trades?

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Quote from: nimda on March 07, 2013, 01:25:30 PM

Quote from: Luno on March 07, 2013, 11:41:38 AM

Mt.Gox usually craps down when volume is too high, preventing people selling as fast as they want. So in reallity, we have such a system.

This. We don't need MtGox to artificially cap trades when they're already naturally capped by MtGox's single Intel Celeron processor.

lol point well taken. I guess we're stuck with this silly string economy until someone figures out a better way.

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if the gox did make such a rule, people would begin to use other exchanges for either ideologic reasons, or becuase mtgox are ganerally assholes.

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Quote from: don giovanni on March 07, 2013, 11:37:45 AM

Quote from: Merralea on March 07, 2013, 10:23:50 AM

Short answer: no.
Long answer: This would be far too easy to work around with things like multiple accounts, and even if it was airtight money would simply leave whatever exchange instituted the practice. Assuming that it was both airtight and that by some triumph of stupidity Exchange Z wasn't abandoned (we are now in hypothetical territory as this is impossible), it would destroy bitcoin's credibility and ensure that mainstream adoption never took place, not to mention piss off the minarchists/anarchists.

Im not saying they should limit any 1 person to do a massive trade, that they should limit massive trades in general, even if its just the summation of a bunch of independent small trades. And leave exchange Z to go where? The 2nd place exchange that has only 5% market share? All mt gox has to do is stop massive buy/sells and the market will actually become usable (at least for those of us who actually use it as a currency and not a get rich quick scheme).

I'm not talking about limiting 1 person either; don't know where that came from. And yes, to a different exchange, where the small hands will follow. Money flows to wherever's least regulated. Just ask the Cayman Islands.

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Quote from: kokjo on March 07, 2013, 11:25:02 AM

Quote from: greyhawk on March 07, 2013, 10:46:33 AM

Quote from: kokjo on March 07, 2013, 10:32:11 AM

Quote from: greyhawk on March 07, 2013, 10:24:38 AM

Quote from: don giovanni on March 07, 2013, 09:49:59 AM

Everytime someone executes a $100k+ trade it causes the value of btc to jump wildly, if the exchanges capped trade volume at n coins over a period of t, wouldnt it then follow that whomever is doing these large trades would be forced to break them into smaller increments over time thereby stabilizing the price of coin?

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Are you a communist, son?

Are you a libertard, boy?

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Quote from: Luno on March 07, 2013, 11:41:38 AM

Mt.Gox usually craps down when volume is too high, preventing people selling as fast as they want. So in reallity, we have such a system.

This. We don't need MtGox to artificially cap trades when they're already naturally capped by MtGox's single Intel Celeron processor.

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Quote from: don giovanni on March 07, 2013, 12:02:02 PM

Quote from: bb113 on March 07, 2013, 11:40:01 AM

Quote from: don giovanni on March 07, 2013, 11:37:45 AM

Quote from: Merralea on March 07, 2013, 10:23:50 AM

Short answer: no.
Long answer: This would be far too easy to work around with things like multiple accounts, and even if it was airtight money would simply leave whatever exchange instituted the practice. Assuming that it was both airtight and that by some triumph of stupidity Exchange Z wasn't abandoned (we are now in hypothetical territory as this is impossible), it would destroy bitcoin's credibility and ensure that mainstream adoption never took place, not to mention piss off the minarchists/anarchists.

Im not saying they should limit any 1 person to do a massive trade, that they should limit massive trades in general, even if its just the summation of a bunch of independent small trades. And leave exchange Z to go where? The 2nd place exchange that has only 5% market share? All mt gox has to do is stop massive buy/sells and the market will actually become usable (at least for those of us who actually use it as a currency and not a get rich quick scheme).

What was the exact problem this caused you?

Buying coin at $ dollars then having it suddenly worth 20% less minutes later, then 10% more minutes later, then 20% less again, and so on, constantly, without any sort of balance. As a currency bitcoin is a joke and all because mtgox wont implement a cap on trade.

That's not an actual problem you had using bitcoin as a currency. If you feel like letting mt gox tell you how much a bitcoin is worth that is a problem you've created for yourself.

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Quote from: bb113 on March 07, 2013, 11:40:01 AM

Quote from: don giovanni on March 07, 2013, 11:37:45 AM

Quote from: Merralea on March 07, 2013, 10:23:50 AM

Short answer: no.
Long answer: This would be far too easy to work around with things like multiple accounts, and even if it was airtight money would simply leave whatever exchange instituted the practice. Assuming that it was both airtight and that by some triumph of stupidity Exchange Z wasn't abandoned (we are now in hypothetical territory as this is impossible), it would destroy bitcoin's credibility and ensure that mainstream adoption never took place, not to mention piss off the minarchists/anarchists.

Im not saying they should limit any 1 person to do a massive trade, that they should limit massive trades in general, even if its just the summation of a bunch of independent small trades. And leave exchange Z to go where? The 2nd place exchange that has only 5% market share? All mt gox has to do is stop massive buy/sells and the market will actually become usable (at least for those of us who actually use it as a currency and not a get rich quick scheme).

What was the exact problem this caused you?

Buying coin at $ dollars then having it suddenly worth 20% less minutes later, then 10% more minutes later, then 20% less again, and so on, constantly, without any sort of balance. As a currency bitcoin is a joke and all because mtgox wont implement a cap on trade.

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Mt.Gox usually craps down when volume is too high, preventing people selling as fast as they want. So in reallity, we have such a system.

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Quote from: don giovanni on March 07, 2013, 11:37:45 AM

Quote from: Merralea on March 07, 2013, 10:23:50 AM

Short answer: no.
Long answer: This would be far too easy to work around with things like multiple accounts, and even if it was airtight money would simply leave whatever exchange instituted the practice. Assuming that it was both airtight and that by some triumph of stupidity Exchange Z wasn't abandoned (we are now in hypothetical territory as this is impossible), it would destroy bitcoin's credibility and ensure that mainstream adoption never took place, not to mention piss off the minarchists/anarchists.

Im not saying they should limit any 1 person to do a massive trade, that they should limit massive trades in general, even if its just the summation of a bunch of independent small trades. And leave exchange Z to go where? The 2nd place exchange that has only 5% market share? All mt gox has to do is stop massive buy/sells and the market will actually become usable (at least for those of us who actually use it as a currency and not a get rich quick scheme).

What was the exact problem this caused you?

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Quote from: Merralea on March 07, 2013, 10:23:50 AM

Short answer: no.
Long answer: This would be far too easy to work around with things like multiple accounts, and even if it was airtight money would simply leave whatever exchange instituted the practice. Assuming that it was both airtight and that by some triumph of stupidity Exchange Z wasn't abandoned (we are now in hypothetical territory as this is impossible), it would destroy bitcoin's credibility and ensure that mainstream adoption never took place, not to mention piss off the minarchists/anarchists.

Im not saying they should limit any 1 person to do a massive trade, that they should limit massive trades in general, even if its just the summation of a bunch of independent small trades. And leave exchange Z to go where? The 2nd place exchange that has only 5% market share? All mt gox has to do is stop massive buy/sells and the market will actually become usable (at least for those of us who actually use it as a currency and not a get rich quick scheme).

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Quote from: greyhawk on March 07, 2013, 10:46:33 AM

Quote from: kokjo on March 07, 2013, 10:32:11 AM

Quote from: greyhawk on March 07, 2013, 10:24:38 AM

Quote from: don giovanni on March 07, 2013, 09:49:59 AM

Everytime someone executes a $100k+ trade it causes the value of btc to jump wildly, if the exchanges capped trade volume at n coins over a period of t, wouldnt it then follow that whomever is doing these large trades would be forced to break them into smaller increments over time thereby stabilizing the price of coin?

Are you a communist, son?

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Are you a communist, son?

Are you a libertard, boy?

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Quote from: kokjo on March 07, 2013, 10:32:11 AM

Quote from: greyhawk on March 07, 2013, 10:24:38 AM

Quote from: don giovanni on March 07, 2013, 09:49:59 AM

Everytime someone executes a $100k+ trade it causes the value of btc to jump wildly, if the exchanges capped trade volume at n coins over a period of t, wouldnt it then follow that whomever is doing these large trades would be forced to break them into smaller increments over time thereby stabilizing the price of coin?

Are you a communist, son?

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Are you a communist, son?

kokjo

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Quote from: greyhawk on March 07, 2013, 10:24:38 AM

Quote from: don giovanni on March 07, 2013, 09:49:59 AM

Everytime someone executes a $100k+ trade it causes the value of btc to jump wildly, if the exchanges capped trade volume at n coins over a period of t, wouldnt it then follow that whomever is doing these large trades would be forced to break them into smaller increments over time thereby stabilizing the price of coin?

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Quote from: don giovanni on March 07, 2013, 09:49:59 AM

Everytime someone executes a $100k+ trade it causes the value of btc to jump wildly, if the exchanges capped trade volume at n coins over a period of t, wouldnt it then follow that whomever is doing these large trades would be forced to break them into smaller increments over time thereby stabilizing the price of coin?

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if the exchanges capped trade volume at n coins over a period of t

Regulations you want? No!

This is the free market, let it flow!

Merralea

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Short answer: no.
Long answer: This would be far too easy to work around with things like multiple accounts, and even if it was airtight money would simply leave whatever exchange instituted the practice. Assuming that it was both airtight and that by some triumph of stupidity Exchange Z wasn't abandoned (we are now in hypothetical territory as this is impossible), it would destroy bitcoin's credibility and ensure that mainstream adoption never took place, not to mention piss off the minarchists/anarchists.

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I don't see why this is such a big problem. Bitcoin is growing and this is the only way for people to figure out its value, it is healthy. In the meantime price everything in a currency that is more short term stable and convert using whatever algorithm you think is best.

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Quote from: don giovanni on March 07, 2013, 09:49:59 AM

Everytime someone executes a $100k+ trade it causes the value of btc to jump wildly, if the exchanges capped trade volume at n coins over a period of t, wouldnt it then follow that whomever is doing these large trades would be forced to break them into smaller increments over time thereby stabilizing the price of coin?

Who exactly do you propose defines the value of "n coins" and "period t?" This is a much bigger problem than you realize especially when the btc protocol is designed to be decentralized. On a very basic level what you propose decreases market liquidity and would likely over time lead to lower value for btc. The fact the MtGox is currently woefully inadequate to handle periods of peak trading DOES NOT mean we should give up.

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Everytime someone executes a $100k+ trade it causes the value of btc to jump wildly, if the exchanges capped trade volume at n coins over a period of t, wouldnt it then follow that whomever is doing these large trades would be forced to break them into smaller increments over time thereby stabilizing the price of coin?

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