Topic: Covid-19 booster (Read 629 times)

That is just beautiful!

Perhaps it's time for a nice musical interlude?

We seem to have a little dis-agreement here:



Who to trust?

 - The people saying things which guarantee them good job prospects and a lot of money?

or

 - The people who, by not following the party line, are going to suffer greatly in their careers and pocketbook?

It's all so confusing

No, you don't get it. You see, all data are completely and utterly wrong, unless:

I think those data support my preconceived opinions (they never do, but I usually just don't understand what I'm reading)
OR
I can selectively quote those data to make it seem like they support my preconceived opinions

If you don't appreciate how this statement is divested of context, then you need to read some of the previous posts in this thread. I've been trying to explain this for nearly two years now. It's not difficult.

What, despite the fact that apparently "'80% of serious COVID cases are fully vaccinated' says Ichilov hospital director" ?





Nice to see you posting from ourworldindata - have you changed your mind about that site? I think previously you were against it because they are funded by 5G DNA-altering nanobots or something.
Anyway, whilst Covid deaths are certainly rising in Israel, it might be interesting to break that down a bit...


https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-omicron-in-israel-unvaccinated-die-in-much-higher-numbers-1.10586137

Back in the day, WW1 there have been several studies done with war prisoners trying to make healthy prisoners sick. People with the flu literally spit healthy peoply in the mouth or they even where injected with all the nasty stuff and failed to make a single person sick from another person.
Anyone sick is sick form the own wrong doing. Generally it runs in the family, as very much the same living contitions.

Someone has to be a total moron thinking of getting sick because someone else been running around with wet hair in cold weather and managed to get a common cold.

Back in the 80's Dr Robert Willner Injects himself with "HIV" showcasing the aids scam.  (fast forward to about  39min)
https://youtu.be/tQCKb1JV-4A  
 
Measles does not exist as per German high court rulling

Oh yes the €1.5 Million reward still up for grabs is someone manages to find sars-cov-2

You sure you know math? Doesn't look like it.
Who did ever say getting a vaccine would prevent a person from dying? That's NOT (and has never been) the purpose of vaccines. People are still dying from polio, and the vaccine has been developed (and in use worldwide) almost 70 years ago.
The purpose of vaccines (I'm sure you already know this, like you know math) is to BOOST the body's response to a given pathogen, not to guarantee people will be absolutely immune to it, and especially not to guarantee people are not gonna die.
Both unvaccinated and vaccinated people are gonna keep on dying. The difference is in the numbers (right up your alley, being you know so much about math). In any case, vaccination is in its very early stages, and the fact the disease has been largely stopped in its tracks is proof enough (for anybody with a brain) to fully understand the effectivity of what's been done, even with its shortcomings.

By the way: you can take this post as proof that, 2 weeks after getting the booster, I'm still alive. Trust me: I am.

I know someone who works in a hospital, told me that there were cases of vaccine side effects.

Got in to an arguement with him about me not getting the jab, challenged me to visit a covid ward unmasked..told him, hell I'll even kiss the patient but i have to inject him with a booster shot.

The fucker backed out LOL. Actions speak louder than words 

Israel is supposedly on their 4th jab now.  Will be interesting to see what happens of jab 5.

This is (supposedly) only 'confirmed covid deaths' so it won't include the countless side-effects of the de-pop shot which is taking out all the athletes.

I'm sure glad I and my family went the natural immunity + Ivermectin route like Africa and India.

Certainly not true, you only fully vaccinated with 27 booster shots, nobody managed to reach the level yet.


80% of serious COVID cases are fully vaccinated' says Ichilov hospital director
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/321674

I think that these stats is almost meaningless now when omicron variant is dominating. I think that these stats isn't available but it would be interesting to see how many vaccinated/unvaccinated people who got omicron passed away. But I'm sure that unvaccinated people isn't 100x more likely to die.
I don't see point of booster or even 4th jab when current vaccines don't give that much protection against omicron and when omicron itself isn't that dangerous. Maybe only for most vulnerable people it makes sense to take so called booster.

Ahh shoot. It wasn't bIg PhArMa manipulating the data, it was bIlL gAtEs PrOpAgAnDa.

There really is no limit to the bullshit you can make up when your only source is "Some guy's vlog".

Firstly, it is worth note that we're talking about per-100,000 and Gate's phony chart you have there.  The 'pandemic' is long gone, and with such low rates now a little bit of fraud goes a long way.

I don't trust anyone who's lied to me in the past, and the last two years has been a running chain of flat-out lies, highly deceitful 'record keeping', flat out pay-offs to corrupt hospitals, etc, by the corp/gov.  Putting it out on a Gates funded propaganda outfits like "Our World in bogus Data" is just icing on the cake.

A while ago whistleblowers claimed that in the U.S. said that in U.S. hospitals people who had to be counted as 'vaccinated' would be given Ivermectin (or Pfizermectin since everyone gets more money from that) which makes most people recover almost overnight.  People who didn't take the de-pop shot would be put on 'vents' to make sure they die, and more whistleblowers and investigators are finding out that it was WAY more than a measly $50,000 the hospitals like Elmhurst were getting for doing the hits.  Like 10x that!  These kinds of payout figures are what you would expect to see when a currency is entering the final phases of a collapse so I'm not surprised.

Seems like England and Scotland have decided they milked the death-jab (and ritualistic mask psy-op) dry and are wrapping up this phase of the reset operation.  Their numbers are showing a higher RATE of deaths (and so-called 'covid' sickness) in the jabbed than in the unjabbed even!  TLAV covers it and, as usual, provides a lot of links in one of their recent presentations:

  https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/fully-vaxed-scotland-2x-covid-risk-25-increase-hospitalization-40-more-likely-die/

The VaccineAIDS disease that the de-pop shots are giving to people makes them more susceptible to all sickness as their immune systems degrade and fail.  That includes whatever SARS-based coronavirus variants might or might not be kicking around.

I've participated and created in quite a few threads regarding Covid-19 subjects, such as the virus itself, vaccines, death rate and so on. I've always provided valid sources, graphs, from ECDC or WHO. Despite my efforts, they always flipped the card of "These statistics are fake by big pharmas etc." and posted their own sources, from some random blogspot website.

Thus, I hardly believe that anything changes their views, I've resorted to locking topics due to them posting gibberish and nonsense, contributing spam and plain spam articles and blog posts.

Haven't gotten the booster and not planning to. Kinda got bamboozled into taking 2 doses and that's as far as I'll go. Got the card to at least stop the government restricting my movement.

Didn't really felt sick those times I took the doses unlike some people I know, the injection site was just hurt for a day or so. I'm worried about the heart part though and that's why I'm not taking any additional dose.

I'm always a big fan of how anti-vaxxers completely fail to present a single shred of evidence for any of your bullshit and just expect people to believe your provably false claims at face value, and then get pissy (pun intended, since we know anti-vaxxers like to drink their own urine) at others when challenged. Given how easy it is to find such data, why are you suddenly finding it so difficult to dO yOuR oWn ReSeArCh? Lmao.

Still, here you go:



Look forward to whatever bIg PhArMa FuDgEd ThE nUmBeRs bullshit you use to explain away this.

These numbers are meaningless. Do yourself a favor, find numbers per capita by vaccination status, better yet if it includes age group as well.

Latest data from my country:

10 000 cases daily. Among them 7k will be vaccinated, 3k unvaccinated. I am from a small country, where daily from covid dies 30-40 people. According to stats among fatal outcome, every third or fourth was vaccinated.

I am not trying to prove that variability that unvaccinated catch covid less probably, but to show that both "are not saved" and if you take a vaccine, "your covid problem is not solved". After getting a vaccine you cant take off mask and let infected people cough right in your mouth.

Preserved (in full with the outstanding source links and other useful info) for posterity.

Latest data from the US:

Fully vaccinated: 0.1 deaths per 100,000
Unvaccinated: 10 deaths per 100,000

100x more likely to die if you are unvaxxed.

I know math, you dont have to post that wall of text here. Instead you would better explain PreciousH that being vaccinated wont make him immune or safe from covid. Both vaccinated/boostered and non vaccinated people in age are dying. Both categories of people get infected. Everything depends on the health condition of a person. Vaccine only gives access to traveling, entering shops and working in team. If not these benefits, I would not even get close to vaccine.


Why do you reply on the post addressed to PreciousH, like it was address to you?

"among confirmed cases   were vaccinated" is, by itself, utterly irrelevant. You need to consider the number of confirmed cases as a proportion of total people vaccinated, and then compare that with number of confirmed cases amongst unvaccinated people as a proportion of total unvaccinated people.

If you live in a society where say 90% of people are vaccinated, then you'd expect most people who contract the virus to be vaccinated, even if vaccines largely prevent infection. This is basic maths. You may find the first visualisation on this page useful.

Example:
100 infections: 80 of these people are vaccinated, 20 are not.
But if 90% of the population is vaccinated, this means that vaccines protect against infection.

The actual data show that vaccines are protective against severe symptoms, yes, and this is the most important factor... but the vaccines are also protective to an extent against infection.

Not at all. I fully understand since the first day (years before, actually) vaccines don't have 100% efficacy. Nothing does, actually.
However, I also understand having the vaccines (ALL of them, not only against covid) greatly increases my chances of fighting the disease if I do get infected. True, I'm still a ticking bomb, and I will be until the moment I die. But when I do, I prefer not to die out of idiocy.

What kind of problem you have solved? Updated your vaccine certificate validity date? If you think that having a vaccine or booster saves you from covid, then I have bad news for you. When was the last time you have seen daily covid case statistics? Does the part "among confirmed cases  were vaccinated" bother you? It wont be a surprise, if you dont have symptoms and make a covid test, that your results will be positive. You are still a ticking bomb.

Yes, i had a booster recently last month. I have some mild fever and sore throat. But after taking a dose, the problem is solved. It depends on human's body. Some are getting a mild fever and some not.

I was pretty confident that I'll have no symptoms on the second dose, not only because I didn't have a single symptom during my first shot, but also since I'm rarely affected by anything (fever, headaches etc.), only to later realize how wrong I was. It struck me like a lightning, somewhere after midday of the next day, suddenly developed a 38.5C+ fever, drowsiness, felt dead on the inside out.

Slept through the rest of the day (bye bye day off) and was okay, I bet I'll have something similar on the booster shot in a few months, I'm certainly going to lose my day off dying in bed.

I've had 2 doses of the vaccine a few months ago. Only felt a little fever on the first injection, but on the second injection, there were no side effects. But right now I have no thoughts of getting a booster vaccine, which is where the government says it is important to be able to get a booster vaccine to prevent omicron variants. I rely more on the natural immunity of my body to be able to fight the next variants and so far I'm still fine.

Ok, here's an update to this very informative thread: curiously enough, I'm still very much alive and kicking.
No horns, no third eye, no weird cravings, my arm didn't fall off. Nothing. I'm starting to feel embarrassed...


Yeah, a friend of mine (four actually, the whole family) had covid last year, and some time needs to pass before you get the vaccine.
The way I see it, it depends on how your body reacts to it. The day and a half after I got the first dose was a nightmare. I got over 40° C fever, everything hurt, I was sweating like a pig, etc. The second dose, I had a slight fever, for maybe 30 minutes to an hour, and now, nothing. My arm was sore for a couple of days, but, other than that, I'm good...

I was to receive the third dose in early February, however, I got infected the last day of December and was told that I can't have the third dose till late March - early April.

I'm surprised that you had no symptoms whatsoever, at least with Pfizer, I've read that third dose had similar side effects with the second one. At least for myself, I had a mild fever and a felt off for the whole day, I expect to have the same ones when I also receive the third dose.

I got covid-19 booster and am still alive. But few problems I have noticed such as mild fever and sore throat. After taking medicine, I feels better.

I think the thing that created panic was that people don't understand what predictive modelling is. These models are of course based on all sorts of assumptions and best guesses - particularly early on - but nuances and qualifications aren't a good fit with the mainstream media channels, where everything has to be presented as breathless hyperbole. So people weren't given details of the models and how they worked and what assumptions were made, they were simply given the headline of 'model says 10 million will die' or similar, utterly divested of context.



UK stats are pretty good, yes. But yes, you're right, if people are more likely to be tested when they're symptomatic, then it doesn't tell us as much as it could about asymptomatic infection. We can make certain inferences, but it's not as accurate as it would be if everyone was tested (and reported the results) every day.

Why do you want to boost Covid? I thought the idea was to gain protection from it. The pseudo-vaccines and mask wearing certain boost your infection,but I prefer to stay disease free, and hopefully I can live for another 80 years.

VAERS reminds me of the early modeling in the pandemic, where the statistical models convinced everyone they were going to die of COVID. Not that the models were incorrect, they're just mathematical systems that are dependent on the data that it's given. The way most countries are handling their data is aggregating all the components of an individual (vax status, age, comorbidities) and submitting that information for collection to the government, directly sourced from the hospitals.

Israel, Denmark, UK and their NHS are doing a good job at keeping any extra noise away from the stats. Though as I've long said, the data generally operates as a function of testing. The more testing there is, the larger account for asymptomatic/mildly symptomatic individuals there are, so the stats begin to skew away from death and despair.

Faith? Faith may be ignorant, but it's basically well intended. These people, to quote a Batman movie: "they just wanna watch the place burn"...


Yep, it was infuriating to me. I feel better now.

It's not a talking point, it's literally a disclaimer that comes with the database.

You seem like the type of person who reads the warning on a plastic bag, puts it on their head because fuck warnings, and screams bloody murder.

News flash:  regurgitating some ridiculous talking point about the VAERS database didn't make it vanish.  Cry me a river.

VAERS has got it's shortcomings and if we didn't live in a corp/gov fascist technocracy we'd have a lot better, but it's what we've got.  It's sufficiently reliable and powerful enough to say for sure that there are about 0.5% 'bad batches' which cause people to drop like flies, and most of these bad batches ended up in 'red states'.  This is prima-facie evidence of criminal behavior of the capital offense magnitude (forethought, homicidal intent, etc.)

Just because I am good at this, I'll tell you what the legal arguments are going to be in Nuremberg-II.  Pharma is going to trot out documents saying that the state gave them secret authorization to continue the dosing and other experiments as part of 'warp speed'.  The govt people are going to argue that the authorizations where necessary under national security and legally justified due to the declaration of an emergency.

Yes, I know. The problem fundamentally is that their position is faith-based, so is immune to logical argument.




I don't mind. I like engaging with people who have different viewpoints; it helps me to challenge my own assumptions. And it can be entertaining as well as infuriating.

Cnut237 and o_e_l_e_o: you're both trying to reason with people that are unable (and unwilling) to do so. As a suggestion, so you don't waste your time like that anymore, the "ignore" function works very well on this forum. 

The data on vaccine efficacy are perfectly clear. If you're trying to quibble about "reason for death", then it might be worth looking at figures for excess deaths, which I've been sharing regularly over the last 18 months. But of course you don't believe the actual, reputable data that's been obtained from a huge number of independent and unrelated sources. You only believe stuff that comes with a disclaimer that it's not valid.




See above. Do we really need to go into this yet again?

So even when I explain the point I was making in simple terms, you still don't grasp the point I was making.

Make sure you keep on DoInG yOuR rEsEaRcH! Lol.

You are the only 'doctor' I know of who is arguing that the Pfizer and Moderna goodness are such a powerful elixer of life and health that they drop the background death rate from 2000 down to 50 or whatever.  That really is 'pushing the bounds of science' as it were.

Ergo no spike in injury after the injection go into the body...never mind the people being wheeled out of the mass injection events on gurneys with 'medical staff' feverishly pumping on their chests.  I mean we've all seen the vids but but only a fraction of peeps can write it off to 'coincidence'.  That ability is one of the 'super-powers' of the vax cult so it seems.

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And again, so we don't lose track of the big picture here, if one takes a pencil and circles all of the deaths up to around day 45, note that these people are NOT 'vaxxed'.  Thus, they are 'unvaxxed' and that's the number they pump out in the mainstream media often enough as evidence of 'vaccine safety and efficacy'.  That was the same trick they used in the 'warp-speed trials' as well.

 

Lots of data will come as time passes.
https://www.independentsentinel.com/vax-data-300-more-miscarriages-300-more-cancer-1000-more-neurological-disease-in-u-s-military/

It sure is a high price to pay to avoid a rebranded common cold.

I didn't expect you to grasp that point I was making. No hard feelings.

Except there isn't. You cannot possibly state there is a "bulge of deaths after the injection" when the graph does not show any data whatsoever prior to the injection. That's the whole point. As with everything anti-vaxxers do, you are taking incomplete or deliberately misleading data and then making a massive leap of faith to completely incorrect conclusions. I was simply pointing out that I can do that too to make the data "prove" the complete opposite of what you have wrongly assumed.

Oh, is that what it shows? .  How did you get so good at reading charts?

Obviously there is a bulge of deaths right after the injection and it decays.  It gets reported in the VAERS database at a low-ish rate but enough to see the artifact as above.  By now a lot of people know first hand of it happening to their friends, family and neighbors, and see it on the soccer fields and tennis courts and what-not.

I only bother to respond to this thread to point out one of the ways in which the authorities fudge the numbers:  Circle all the people who die before day 14 following the needle.  These people are _unvaccinated_.  They got the depop shot, but it doesn't make people 'vaccinated' until 14 days after the 2nd injection.  That means about 45 days after their first injection in most cases.

On top of that, once the initial doses wear off, people are back to being 'unvaccinated' again until they get 'boosted'.  And if they won't stay on the vax-train because one of the injects damn near killed them, they are 'anti-vaxxers'.

It is hard to understand the perfect covid-19 injection to take because there's a lot of miss information about the covid-19 injection and my decision is not to take it until every issue is settled.
Saying this out of the experience, I know some that took the shot on Tuesday and died yesterday.
I will advise you guys just to be careful.

So what that graph shows is that if you get vaccinated, your risk of death decreases exponentially. Sign me up! (No need to, I had my third shot last year, and I'm like 99% sure I'm still alive.)

How about your chip? Does it get 5G signal better?
Now seriously, I didn't had to take booster because I got Covid few weeks before my covid passport expiration date. And now I don't see many reasons to take boosters when current vaccines don't give much protection against dominating omicron variant. And even if you're not vaccinated, it's very likely that you will have mild symptoms if you'll catch covid. Maybe in few months when updated vaccines will be made, it will make a bit more sense to take booster.

Oh, interesting where he is gone. But @Tash is working hard to replace him...

When the first one hit hard but not hard enough, lets hope one of the "boosters" works.
https://youtu.be/OrFakWkv5Xo?t=10

Yup, same here. First one hit hard, high fever, a huge headache and many other body aches for almost a day (in Argentina we say "even my eyelashes hurt"). Second one was very mild (just a bit of  a headache, very minor), and this one, just nothing.


To be honest, I stayed pretty much away from this board since the beginning of the year. Haven't missed it.
Don't worry about BADecker. He's probably busy trying to fend against the government's attempts to control his mind, RFID him, poison his drinking water, and who knows what else. I'm sure he'll come back to save us from ourselves soon enough...

Yes, I had the booster a while ago. Zero side effects. I had zero side effects from the second shot, too. The only side effects I had were from the first shot, mild headache/fever overnight and fine the next day.





Should we start to get a bit concerned about BADecker? Not seen him in a while...

I took a couple cents worth of Ivermectin to cure me of whatever is going around recently.  Worked perfectly and within hours, and I didn't grow cow horns.

I'll stick with known safe and effective treatments rather than experimental gene therapy and incur the risk of heart damage.  To each his own though, and you can give Moderna your body free of charge as a slab of test meat if it makes you feel, um,  'virtuous'.  Back in the day people who were low on money used to get paid for being drug trail participants, and the corporations experimenting on them used to have to help them out if they got maimed.  Not so in the 'new normal'.

Now you tell me!
Well, I'm 56, so I guess I have time yet...


Hadn't seen it.
I just added to the living ones. I'm starting to suspect the dead ones may not be completely honest, though...

Give it time. Chances are that you will die soon enough, sometime within the next 50 years.


I don't discriminate against dead people (lifeism?) in my thread.

Number of deaths in days after toxic shot. As we all know different lot number are deathlier than others.
Also that does not inclued all cancers or other illnesses caused by the toxic load in years to come.

Alright, just got my booster (Moderna) yesterday in the afternoon. I just want to let you guys know I'm still alive (really, I am), and, so far:

• I have not grown horns, nor long, pointy canines.
• I still don't have an eye in the middle of my forehead (it'd make wearing glasses kinda difficult).
• I don't feel any special craving for blood, brains or the like (a pizza slice or two would be nice, though).
• Did not see any scratches on my bedroom wall (might need to wait on a full moon for that one).
• I don't seem to be any dumber than I was yesterday.

So I was wondering how many of you did get the booster and survived, and which side effects have you noticed?

In my case, I've got nothing. No fever (well, if we're gonna be rigorous, my fever did go up 0.2° C), no aches, nothing. Today I have some minor discomfort at the injection site, but that's it.

So, what about it? Only survivors please. If you died, you don't need to reply. Thank you.