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Topic: CPC Electronics - is it legit? (Read 49951 times)
I've been following this thread since Christmas and I checked the website today. From my end here in the states, I'm not able to pull up the website. I hope that the scammers have closed up shop and realize that the forum was on to them.
Miner2049
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Reply from 1 & 1
" Thank you for contacting 1and1 Internet Security team regarding your Phishing complaint.
Please note that we have temporarily suspended the website in question. We are now in the process of investigating this matter and will take a further appropriate action as per the outcome of our investigation.
We thank you for your patience and cooperation in this matter.
--
Sincerely,
Security Team
1&1 Internet, Ltd."
At least the website is offline.
" Thank you for contacting 1and1 Internet Security team regarding your Phishing complaint.
Please note that we have temporarily suspended the website in question. We are now in the process of investigating this matter and will take a further appropriate action as per the outcome of our investigation.
We thank you for your patience and cooperation in this matter.
--
Sincerely,
Security Team
1&1 Internet, Ltd."
At least the website is offline.
I've been following this thread since Christmas and I checked the website today. From my end here in the states, I'm not able to pull up the website. I hope that the scammers have closed up shop and realize that the forum was on to them.
Miner2049
Miner2049
Great. I never understood how these elaborate scams make any sense, with all the time and effort to pull them off. In this case - all the planning, buying a stolen cc to pay for hosting, proxies/tor/etc., Web design, setup, responding to emails, watching this thread - and risk, no matter how small. All that for what, a thousand dollars? Must be a really pathetic loser.
Exactly. It's harder than making money legitimately, but they are just determined to be a douche...
Reply from 1 & 1
" Thank you for contacting 1and1 Internet Security team regarding your Phishing complaint.
Please note that we have temporarily suspended the website in question. We are now in the process of investigating this matter and will take a further appropriate action as per the outcome of our investigation.
We thank you for your patience and cooperation in this matter.
--
Sincerely,
Security Team
1&1 Internet, Ltd."
At least the website is offline.
" Thank you for contacting 1and1 Internet Security team regarding your Phishing complaint.
Please note that we have temporarily suspended the website in question. We are now in the process of investigating this matter and will take a further appropriate action as per the outcome of our investigation.
We thank you for your patience and cooperation in this matter.
--
Sincerely,
Security Team
1&1 Internet, Ltd."
At least the website is offline.
Great. I never understood how these elaborate scams make any sense, with all the time and effort to pull them off. In this case - all the planning, buying a stolen cc to pay for hosting, proxies/tor/etc., Web design, setup, responding to emails, watching this thread - and risk, no matter how small. All that for what, a thousand dollars? Must be a really pathetic loser.
Reply from 1 & 1
" Thank you for contacting 1and1 Internet Security team regarding your Phishing complaint.
Please note that we have temporarily suspended the website in question. We are now in the process of investigating this matter and will take a further appropriate action as per the outcome of our investigation.
We thank you for your patience and cooperation in this matter.
--
Sincerely,
Security Team
1&1 Internet, Ltd."
At least the website is offline.
" Thank you for contacting 1and1 Internet Security team regarding your Phishing complaint.
Please note that we have temporarily suspended the website in question. We are now in the process of investigating this matter and will take a further appropriate action as per the outcome of our investigation.
We thank you for your patience and cooperation in this matter.
--
Sincerely,
Security Team
1&1 Internet, Ltd."
At least the website is offline.
The US government loves to stick its nose in foreign affairs... we need an American victim to come forward if one exists.
Please. They're probably not even interested if it's under 5 million involved. The US might be a bit Imperalist, but it costs too much money to prosecute. If it was for drugs, however...
Haha! I was actually kinda joking.
What the victim has been going through here just goes to show how ineffectual and wasteful government is. All these huge organizations and agencies that are supposed to be about "fair trade" and "protecting consumers" and they can't even shut down a pathetic little scam store because their own bureaucratic system prevents them from doing so. They can't do anything because your complaint was 4.2 pages long instead of 3.5, or you stapled the paper at a 45-deg angle instead of 90... It's all just a bunch of BS so a bunch of people can have government jobs...
The US government loves to stick its nose in foreign affairs... we need an American victim to come forward if one exists.
Please. They're probably not even interested if it's under 5 million involved. The US might be a bit Imperalist, but it costs too much money to prosecute. If it was for drugs, however...
The US government loves to stick its nose in foreign affairs... we need an American victim to come forward if one exists.
I urge you to file a formal complaint on the legal authorities about this and we'll be glad to assist with the investigation in any way we can.
Yesterday (January 5th) I have filled a formal complaint to the ECC (http://www.eccnl.eu/page/en ). It is filled under registration number 1357394921929-49048. So lets see how this plays out.
Received the following reply from BoldChat:
"We have received your email. This issue has been escalated to our Senior Technical Analyst. I urge you to file a formal complaint on the legal authorities about this and we'll be glad to assist with the investigation in any way we can.
Please don't hesitate to email us, call us up on +1 316 462 7190 -- Toll Free: +1 866 753 9933 or chat with us via our website if you need any further assistance. Our email and chat support is available 24/7, while our phone support is available from 8:00am to 6:00pm CDT."
Probably means that they will do nothing further.
"We have received your email. This issue has been escalated to our Senior Technical Analyst. I urge you to file a formal complaint on the legal authorities about this and we'll be glad to assist with the investigation in any way we can.
Please don't hesitate to email us, call us up on +1 316 462 7190 -- Toll Free: +1 866 753 9933 or chat with us via our website if you need any further assistance. Our email and chat support is available 24/7, while our phone support is available from 8:00am to 6:00pm CDT."
Probably means that they will do nothing further.
You're welcome.
As I said. I doubt 1 & 1 will take any action, but you never know.
Good luck!
As I said. I doubt 1 & 1 will take any action, but you never know.
Good luck!
Thank you for your effort Mr. strello. Lets hope for the best.
I just ended a phone call with my local police. They first advised me to fill in an application form on https://www.mijnpolitie.nl/b/eforms.html?formDefinitionCode=ifaangifte&pageNumber=0&supplier=20107101901. But unfortunately after the second page of this application form it refused me to continue because of the format of the zip code in Manchester (it only allows zip codes in Dutch format). After a second call to the police they advised me to contact the British embassy. Of course this can only be done on working days. To be continued.
I just ended a phone call with my local police. They first advised me to fill in an application form on https://www.mijnpolitie.nl/b/eforms.html?formDefinitionCode=ifaangifte&pageNumber=0&supplier=20107101901. But unfortunately after the second page of this application form it refused me to continue because of the format of the zip code in Manchester (it only allows zip codes in Dutch format). After a second call to the police they advised me to contact the British embassy. Of course this can only be done on working days. To be continued.
I very much doubt that they will act on this, but I have sent the following email to 1&1 in the hope that they might at least investigate the CPC scam, and maybe even take the website offline.
I have also informed BoldChat, whose chat service CPC are claiming to use on their website.
"Hello
This is to inform you that the Company "cpcelectronics.co.uk" operating a phishing scam at http://www.cpcelectronics.co.uk/index.html is clearly fraudulent, and has registered their domain and website with you using a false address.
Additional information can be found here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cpc-electronics-is-it-legit-131446
They have defrauded at least one unsuspecting "customer", who is currently attempting to get help pursuing them legally, but having difficulty as he is not a UK citizen.
I would be very grateful if you could investigate this matter and, if possible, take these criminals offline in order to limit the fraud.
I'm sure it would not be possible legally, but any information you could provide to help establish the real identity of these criminals would be much appreciated.
Thank you."
I have also informed BoldChat, whose chat service CPC are claiming to use on their website.
"Hello
This is to inform you that the Company "cpcelectronics.co.uk" operating a phishing scam at http://www.cpcelectronics.co.uk/index.html is clearly fraudulent, and has registered their domain and website with you using a false address.
Additional information can be found here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cpc-electronics-is-it-legit-131446
They have defrauded at least one unsuspecting "customer", who is currently attempting to get help pursuing them legally, but having difficulty as he is not a UK citizen.
I would be very grateful if you could investigate this matter and, if possible, take these criminals offline in order to limit the fraud.
I'm sure it would not be possible legally, but any information you could provide to help establish the real identity of these criminals would be much appreciated.
Thank you."
Where on earth did you get your 72000 BTC number?
Sorry for rounding it up. 72.109 BTC to be exact, see post #61 by MykelSilver
It is really clear for me that I am robbed for 72.109 BTC :-(
So 72 BTC not 72000 BTC (rounding off)
The transaction is here: http://blockchain.info/tx/b6f60efdf6d5095dd9a377675e29951cb9a83051e22da9823276c523731c8a70
Where on earth did you get your 72000 BTC number?
Sorry for rounding it up. 72.109 BTC to be exact, see post #61 by MykelSilver
It is really clear for me that I am robbed for 72.109 BTC :-(
Part of the problem is that nobody knows in which country this scam was really done from. They listed their address to be in Manchester, but since that was clearly done fraudulently, the scammers can really be anywhere. The police in Manchester or England is not going to do much of anything just because a fraudulent Manchester address was used as a part of the scam. Maybe only to try to find out if there there was some kind of mail forwarding done to somewhere but I think the scammers have thought of that possibility and not left such a clear trail into their real identities. I hope the defrauded customer got them to send a photocopy of their passports and other identifying documents before parting out with 72000BTC to them. For 72000BTC I personally would definately hop on an airplane to see them from eye to eye and check the goods in person before buying.
I guess it is only the police of Netherlands where the victim lives that is going to do something and after somebody finds out where the scammers actually live and operate, maybe some island in tropical region, then the police of that still unknown country could feel the need to step up from their asses and do something.
I guess it is only the police of Netherlands where the victim lives that is going to do something and after somebody finds out where the scammers actually live and operate, maybe some island in tropical region, then the police of that still unknown country could feel the need to step up from their asses and do something.
Where on earth did you get your 72000 BTC number?
Part of the problem is that nobody knows in which country this scam was really done from. They listed their address to be in Manchester, but since that was clearly done fraudulently, the scammers can really be anywhere. The police in Manchester or England is not going to do much of anything just because a fraudulent Manchester address was used as a part of the scam. Maybe only to try to find out if there there was some kind of mail forwarding done to somewhere but I think the scammers have thought of that possibility and not left such a clear trail into their real identities. I hope the defrauded customer got them to send a photocopy of their passports and other identifying documents before parting out with 72000BTC to them. For 72000BTC I personally would definately hop on an airplane to see them from eye to eye and check the goods in person before buying.
I guess it is only the police of Netherlands where the victim lives that is going to do something and after somebody finds out where the scammers actually live and operate, maybe some island in tropical region, then the police of that still unknown country could feel the need to step up from their asses and do something.
I guess it is only the police of Netherlands where the victim lives that is going to do something and after somebody finds out where the scammers actually live and operate, maybe some island in tropical region, then the police of that still unknown country could feel the need to step up from their asses and do something.
Have you tried reporting this scam to the local police? They must have a cyber/economic crime unit, and may be able to get warrants for ISP information. Chances are slim, but it's not impossible.
According to the answer i got from The Manchester City Council Tradings Standards Office (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1434088 ) this can only be done by a resident from the UK.I am a victim from the Netherlands. Because the crime is done in the UK for me the only thing I can do and have already done is fill in a complain to the "Europees Consumenten Centrum". I will be informed about the status this complain soon according to the online form I have filled in.
The Netherlands are part of the EU no?
go after the bureaucrat, tell him you will drop the story to the "sun" newspaper, showing fraud being committed from an address on his patch.
Then drop the story over to the "thesun.co.uk", tell them its about a thousand pounds per person, but the useless bureaucrats are sitting on their ass, then point out that you wonder if the same rules would apply if drugs were being sold on the internet from Manchester.
But just remember if you do that, then 10,000 sun readers will probably go and buy the machine for making "free money", because they are hardly the brightest DNA stubs on the planet.
or:
via the internet
http://www.met.police.uk/fraudalert/reporting_fraud.htm
http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/report_fraud
Have you tried reporting this scam to the local police? They must have a cyber/economic crime unit, and may be able to get warrants for ISP information. Chances are slim, but it's not impossible.
According to the answer i got from The Manchester City Council Tradings Standards Office (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1434088 ) this can only be done by a resident from the UK.I am a victim from the Netherlands. Because the crime is done in the UK for me the only thing I can do and have already done is fill in a complain to the "Europees Consumenten Centrum". I will be informed about the status this complain soon according to the online form I have filled in.
Thieves operating in plain sight and all you can do is "complain"... Isn't government and bureaucracy wonderful?
Have you tried reporting this scam to the local police? They must have a cyber/economic crime unit, and may be able to get warrants for ISP information. Chances are slim, but it's not impossible.
According to the answer i got from The Manchester City Council Tradings Standards Office (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1434088 ) this can only be done by a resident from the UK.I am a victim from the Netherlands. Because the crime is done in the UK for me the only thing I can do and have already done is fill in a complain to the "Europees Consumenten Centrum". I will be informed about the status this complain soon according to the online form I have filled in.
Have you tried reporting this scam to the local police? They must have a cyber/economic crime unit, and may be able to get warrants for ISP information. Chances are slim, but it's not impossible.
According to the answer i got from The Manchester City Council Tradings Standards Office (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1434088 ) this can only be done by a resident from the UK.I am a victim from the Netherlands. Because the crime is done in the UK for me the only thing I can do and have already done is fill in a complain to the "Europees Consumenten Centrum". I will be informed about the status this complain soon according to the online form I have filled in.
Today I filled a new case to the "Europees Consumenten Centrum" http://www.eccnl.eu/page/en.
They are gonna investigate this case.
It is really clear for me that I am robbed for 72.109 BTC :-(
If you investigate the transfer: http://blockchain.info/address/1Fva7yv31SET3n7fBhqyRZSjAiVQ8Rj3Zg it is clear that just little over an hour has passed before the scammer withdraw-ed the amount in two transactions.
To be continued
Have you tried reporting this scam to the local police? They must have a cyber/economic crime unit, and may be able to get warrants for ISP information. Chances are slim, but it's not impossible. They are gonna investigate this case.
It is really clear for me that I am robbed for 72.109 BTC :-(
If you investigate the transfer: http://blockchain.info/address/1Fva7yv31SET3n7fBhqyRZSjAiVQ8Rj3Zg it is clear that just little over an hour has passed before the scammer withdraw-ed the amount in two transactions.
To be continued
Today I filled a new case to the "Europees Consumenten Centrum" http://www.eccnl.eu/page/en.
They are gonna investigate this case.
It is really clear for me that I am robbed for 72.109 BTC :-(
If you investigate the transfer: http://blockchain.info/address/1Fva7yv31SET3n7fBhqyRZSjAiVQ8Rj3Zg it is clear that just little over an hour has passed before the scammer withdraw-ed the amount in two transactions.
To be continued
They are gonna investigate this case.
It is really clear for me that I am robbed for 72.109 BTC :-(
If you investigate the transfer: http://blockchain.info/address/1Fva7yv31SET3n7fBhqyRZSjAiVQ8Rj3Zg it is clear that just little over an hour has passed before the scammer withdraw-ed the amount in two transactions.
To be continued
Wow, they got you for that much? Very sorry to hear that.
Try not to feel too bad... when I was about 15 years old I spent about $800 (practically every penny I had) to order this really expensive paintball gun. I ordered from a website I had dealt with several times, and believed it was safe. But it just so happened they "went out of business" and declared bankruptcy after taking everyone's Christmas season orders and I got screwed. Reported them to authorities and nothing was ever done about it.
Today I filled a new case to the "Europees Consumenten Centrum" http://www.eccnl.eu/page/en.
They are gonna investigate this case.
It is really clear for me that I am robbed for 72.109 BTC :-(
If you investigate the transfer: http://blockchain.info/address/1Fva7yv31SET3n7fBhqyRZSjAiVQ8Rj3Zg it is clear that just little over an hour has passed before the scammer withdraw-ed the amount in two transactions.
To be continued
They are gonna investigate this case.
It is really clear for me that I am robbed for 72.109 BTC :-(
If you investigate the transfer: http://blockchain.info/address/1Fva7yv31SET3n7fBhqyRZSjAiVQ8Rj3Zg it is clear that just little over an hour has passed before the scammer withdraw-ed the amount in two transactions.
To be continued
The Manchester City Council Tradings Standards Office is now looking into this. Any victims please contact [email protected] referencing complaint # 047774
I have mailed to the person you mentioned. Got this answer:
Dear Mr
Manchester Trading Standards acts for Consumers in Manchester however I have contacted this office address in Manchester this company is not trading from there and has never traded there.
As your transaction was on line any potential offences would have been committed where you are. I suggest you contact any enforcement agencies Police / Trading Standards in your country. you may also consider contacting your bank/card issuer as they may be able to reclaim the monies.
Sorry I cannot be of any further help.
Damn, bureaucracy strikes again.
Niko, if you have read this thread carefully then you should have noticed that there is at least one victim reported to the TSO.
Just searched this thread for "tso" and for "order" and failed to find the victim. Would you please point to the specific post?I am the victim: Posted it here
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1432754
The Manchester City Council Tradings Standards Office is now looking into this. Any victims please contact [email protected] referencing complaint # 047774
I have mailed to the person you mentioned. Got this answer:
Dear Mr
Manchester Trading Standards acts for Consumers in Manchester however I have contacted this office address in Manchester this company is not trading from there and has never traded there.
As your transaction was on line any potential offences would have been committed where you are. I suggest you contact any enforcement agencies Police / Trading Standards in your country. you may also consider contacting your bank/card issuer as they may be able to reclaim the monies.
Sorry I cannot be of any further help.
Paul Minshaw
Neighbourhood Officer - Trading Standards
Citywide Support Team
Manchester City Council
1Hammerstone Rd
Gorton
Manchester
M18 8EQ
Tel :0161 234 1556
Fax:0161 957 8379
[email protected]
www.manchester.gov.co.uk
Niko, if you have read this thread carefully then you should have noticed that there is at least one victim reported to the TSO.
Just searched this thread for "tso" and for "order" and failed to find the victim. Would you please point to the specific post?I am the victim: Posted it here
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1432754
....At this point TSO would appreciate a victim to step forward (by monitoring the wallet adress we know there is at least one) to supply them with more information.
Niko, if you have read this thread carefully then you should have noticed that there is at least one victim reported to the TSO.
Just searched this thread for "tso" and for "order" and failed to find the victim. Would you please point to the specific post?
Niko, if you have read this thread carefully then you should have noticed that there is at least one victim reported to the TSO.
No victim, no crime? It appears that so far nobody fell for this scam, and without victims stepping forward, authorities will not act. Fair enough. In the meantime, we should try and guess who is behind this, per Phinn's suggestion. Writing style, misspellings, mindset...
Hmmm... I dunno if I agree with the "no victim, no crime" logic... Something like using a drug or hiring a prostitute would be a "victimless crime", but in this case these people are actually attempting to do real harm to others. If you shoot at someone you don't get off the hook if you miss... nor does a kidnapper get off the hook because the little girl got away. By the same logic, I don't think a thief should be off the hook because they failed to steal -- they tried, and thus are guilty.
Now we need to figure out which Bitcoiner was behind this endeavor. I'm pretty sure he/she is a member of this forum.
That is highly likely. Perhaps even posting in this thread under a code-name like "Phinnaeus"... just kidding!
But you're probably right and the perps are among us...
No victim, no crime? It appears that so far nobody fell for this scam, and without victims stepping forward, authorities will not act. Fair enough. In the meantime, we should try and guess who is behind this, per Phinn's suggestion. Writing style, misspellings, mindset...
Why waste time?
It is likely they used a CC/paypal to pay for the domain hosting.
Just pass the domain register/hosting to the TS in Manchester & visa versa, get them talking then the person with the case can pull the details back from the TS in Manchester and we can spread the love around, ESP. if we can tie the name/cc to a bit-coin chain.
No victim, no crime? It appears that so far nobody fell for this scam, and without victims stepping forward, authorities will not act. Fair enough. In the meantime, we should try and guess who is behind this, per Phinn's suggestion. Writing style, misspellings, mindset...
Great, I'm glad to see some progress! Please keep us all posted on how it goes and I'm here if you want help! 
Now we need to figure out which Bitcoiner was behind this endeavor. I'm pretty sure he/she is a member of this forum.
~Bruno K~
Great, I'm glad to see some progress! Please keep us all posted on how it goes and I'm here if you want help!
"violatilty of the bitcoin market"?! LOL
As formerly described I have contacted the Trading Standards Office with the evidence collected by BTCTalk in the three seperate CPC threads thus far. The TSO has confirmed that there is no company CPC Electronics registered in Manchester and that no company like that exists at the adress they supposedly exist at. At this point TSO would appreciate a victim to step forward (by monitoring the wallet adress we know there is at least one) to supply them with more information.
I have just sent a mail to [email protected], subject complaint # 047774 and explained my case. I asked Mr. Minshaw if the information I provided was clear and to keep me informed of this case. To be continued.... The Manchester City Council Tradings Standards Office is now looking into this. Any victims please contact [email protected] referencing complaint # 047774
Would you be willing to share your work with me so I can see what you've done on the CPC front? They have been on my mind since I first saw the bogus website. So far all I have done was attempt to contact them, pretending to be legitimately interested in purchasing from them. But they have not responded. I'd like to work together with you and do what we can to get them shut down before they victimize anyone else and are rewarded for their disgusting scam.
As formerly described I have contacted the Trading Standards Office with the evidence collected by BTCTalk in the three seperate CPC threads thus far. The TSO has confirmed that there is no company CPC Electronics registered in Manchester and that no company like that exists at the adress they supposedly exist at. At this point TSO would appreciate a victim to step forward (by monitoring the wallet adress we know there is at least one) to supply them with more information.
The Manchester City Council Tradings Standards Office is now looking into this. Any victims please contact [email protected] referencing complaint # 047774
Would you be willing to share your work with me so I can see what you've done on the CPC front? They have been on my mind since I first saw the bogus website. So far all I have done was attempt to contact them, pretending to be legitimately interested in purchasing from them. But they have not responded. I'd like to work together with you and do what we can to get them shut down before they victimize anyone else and are rewarded for their disgusting scam.
Thanks for sharing. Will contact this person / organization.
The Manchester City Council Tradings Standards Office is now looking into this. Any victims please contact [email protected] referencing complaint # 047774
Hi. I just have spoken to Miss. Spruijt from the "Europees Consumenten Centrum" http://www.eccnl.eu/page/en .
This is the organisation which can help people who bought products within Europe.
Their advise was to contact them by email and in case of no response (which is very likely in this case) within a week, to register a complain via this site.
This is the organisation which can help people who bought products within Europe.
Their advise was to contact them by email and in case of no response (which is very likely in this case) within a week, to register a complain via this site.
Hi Kelticfox,
Thanks for you answer!
You said, you live in the UK. Do you know any organisation(s) in the UK who protects (UK) customers from fraud buying from scam websites? Here in the Netherlands we have "consuWijzer" (https://www.consuwijzer.nl/klacht-indienen-bij-consuwijzer). Maybe it is best to contact such organisation in the UK... Happy to hear from you. Thanks!
Thanks for you answer!
You said, you live in the UK. Do you know any organisation(s) in the UK who protects (UK) customers from fraud buying from scam websites? Here in the Netherlands we have "consuWijzer" (https://www.consuwijzer.nl/klacht-indienen-bij-consuwijzer). Maybe it is best to contact such organisation in the UK... Happy to hear from you. Thanks!
I thought I would give Piccadilly Place (http://www.piccadillyplace.co.uk/contact/) a bell, and got through to the security booth who then passed me through to reception.
According to Reception there are no electronic companies with offices in Piccadilly Place (and he even checked the system!).
Hi,According to Reception there are no electronic companies with offices in Piccadilly Place (and he even checked the system!).
Two questions:
1) Have you bought some stuff from CPC Electronics?
2) Are you an international customer (outside the UK)? (Then it could take 14 days)
3) If yes, what steps are you gonna take ?
Thanks in advance!
Depending on your jurisdiction you might be able to file a fraud report with an agency. In the U.S.:
- http://www.stopfraud.gov/report.html
- https://complaint.ic3.gov/ctf.aspx <-- Series of questions assumes you've already been defrauded. There's no "report a scam" method that I can see.
Appreciate your post. I will take action. Because of the holidays I give them some space. To be continued - http://www.stopfraud.gov/report.html
- https://complaint.ic3.gov/ctf.aspx <-- Series of questions assumes you've already been defrauded. There's no "report a scam" method that I can see.
In case it is a scam. Any thoughts how to deal with it?
They are hosted on 1&1. cpcelectronics.co.uk They accept bitcoin only.
Quote
Delivery Schedule We deliver your order right away. We will normally send your order to you in 7 business days. International orders are generally received in under 14 days.
[...]
Back Orders If your item is not in stock, we will back order for you. You will always be emailed with the option to cancel your order if you would rather not wait.
[...]
Back Orders If your item is not in stock, we will back order for you. You will always be emailed with the option to cancel your order if you would rather not wait.
Someone could file a complaint that the site is a scam with 1&1 and request a takedown. I've done this with others and oftentimes they don't take second-hand reports (hearsay) and instead only investigate when the person filing the complaint has been scammed.
Also, you could report it as phishing as well:
- http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/report_phish/
Depending on your jurisdiction you might be able to file a fraud report with an agency. In the U.S.:
- http://www.stopfraud.gov/report.html
- https://complaint.ic3.gov/ctf.aspx <-- Series of questions assumes you've already been defrauded. There's no "report a scam" method that I can see.
In case it is a scam. Any thoughts how to deal with it? Lawsuit ? Any organisation who helps people victim of internet web shop fraud? Google gives too many options. Anyone here got experience with how to deal with such situations?
I sent them an email. 
I stumbled across your website today through an ad and I am very interested in your Bitcoin mining products. I am most interested in buying the "CPC 31.2 GH/s Miner" offered on your website. But I have some questions.
1) It says on your FAQ that some of your hardware is based on AMD GPUs... How on earth can such speeds be possible with GPUs? It would take a small warehouse filled top to bottom with GPUs burning an immense amount of electricity to attain such speed; unless you have some technology the rest of the world doesn't know about.
2) How long have you been in business and manufacturing these products?
3) Do you have any photos of the actual chips/internals of your products?
4) Do you have any photos or video of the equipment in action? I'd like to see one running.
5) It says on your website "a high percentage of our business is from repeat customers and referrals"; who are some of your biggest customers? What companies use your products?
6) How is it possible to have such powerful equipment for such a low cost?
Can't wait to hear their response!
I stumbled across your website today through an ad and I am very interested in your Bitcoin mining products. I am most interested in buying the "CPC 31.2 GH/s Miner" offered on your website. But I have some questions.
1) It says on your FAQ that some of your hardware is based on AMD GPUs... How on earth can such speeds be possible with GPUs? It would take a small warehouse filled top to bottom with GPUs burning an immense amount of electricity to attain such speed; unless you have some technology the rest of the world doesn't know about.
2) How long have you been in business and manufacturing these products?
3) Do you have any photos of the actual chips/internals of your products?
4) Do you have any photos or video of the equipment in action? I'd like to see one running.
5) It says on your website "a high percentage of our business is from repeat customers and referrals"; who are some of your biggest customers? What companies use your products?
6) How is it possible to have such powerful equipment for such a low cost?
Can't wait to hear their response!
Ull be lucky if you actually get a response I sent in 6 or 7 emails now with no response on them.
I sent them an email.
I stumbled across your website today through an ad and I am very interested in your Bitcoin mining products. I am most interested in buying the "CPC 31.2 GH/s Miner" offered on your website. But I have some questions.
1) It says on your FAQ that some of your hardware is based on AMD GPUs... How on earth can such speeds be possible with GPUs? It would take a small warehouse filled top to bottom with GPUs burning an immense amount of electricity to attain such speed; unless you have some technology the rest of the world doesn't know about.
2) How long have you been in business and manufacturing these products?
3) Do you have any photos of the actual chips/internals of your products?
4) Do you have any photos or video of the equipment in action? I'd like to see one running.
5) It says on your website "a high percentage of our business is from repeat customers and referrals"; who are some of your biggest customers? What companies use your products?
6) How is it possible to have such powerful equipment for such a low cost?
Can't wait to hear their response!
I stumbled across your website today through an ad and I am very interested in your Bitcoin mining products. I am most interested in buying the "CPC 31.2 GH/s Miner" offered on your website. But I have some questions.
1) It says on your FAQ that some of your hardware is based on AMD GPUs... How on earth can such speeds be possible with GPUs? It would take a small warehouse filled top to bottom with GPUs burning an immense amount of electricity to attain such speed; unless you have some technology the rest of the world doesn't know about.
2) How long have you been in business and manufacturing these products?
3) Do you have any photos of the actual chips/internals of your products?
4) Do you have any photos or video of the equipment in action? I'd like to see one running.
5) It says on your website "a high percentage of our business is from repeat customers and referrals"; who are some of your biggest customers? What companies use your products?
6) How is it possible to have such powerful equipment for such a low cost?
Can't wait to hear their response!
I stumbled across this "CPC Electronics" through an ad on eBay, and I was like WHOAAAAA!!!! 
Then I saw that they were offering rigs with several GH/sec for < $200... RED FLAG!
Found this thread and now I'm pissed... Pissed because it's not real (and I can't get such a machine) and because they're trying to rip people off.
I wonder what the real CPC Electronics thinks of this?
Then I saw that they were offering rigs with several GH/sec for < $200... RED FLAG!
Found this thread and now I'm pissed... Pissed because it's not real (and I can't get such a machine) and because they're trying to rip people off.
I wonder what the real CPC Electronics thinks of this?
ill be checking this business out at the address its a drive away so ill do an investigation after Christmas is over and done with.
I just looked at the address on street view. I know that place for sure. 1 it is a hotel and cafes the bottom floor has a number of shops and cafes and the upper floors are hotel rooms and function rooms you can hire out for the day.
I just looked at the address on street view. I know that place for sure. 1 it is a hotel and cafes the bottom floor has a number of shops and cafes and the upper floors are hotel rooms and function rooms you can hire out for the day.
It's one of Manchesters best office blocks. So you can be reasonably sure there is just a mail forwarding service there.
Unfortunately the Manchester City Council just closed shop for the year what with X-mas and all so we'll only get a reaction next year.
Well already done a check on a few things their business is not registered and at that address it is part of the hotel, room rental and to put it blunt that room is not hired out or leased to anyone. They also said that this is not the first time someone has made this inquiry into CPC Electronics. I went into speak to one of the supervises at the customer service desk and showed them the website and a few other things and lets put it this way they where not impressed when they seen their business address been used and said leave it with us. Now am not sure what their doing but maybe they have a mail box or something their. Ill have to do a bit more investigating.
ill be checking this business out at the address its a drive away so ill do an investigation after Christmas is over and done with.
I just looked at the address on street view. I know that place for sure. 1 it is a hotel and cafes the bottom floor has a number of shops and cafes and the upper floors are hotel rooms and function rooms you can hire out for the day.
I just looked at the address on street view. I know that place for sure. 1 it is a hotel and cafes the bottom floor has a number of shops and cafes and the upper floors are hotel rooms and function rooms you can hire out for the day.
It's one of Manchesters best office blocks. So you can be reasonably sure there is just a mail forwarding service there.
Unfortunately the Manchester City Council just closed shop for the year what with X-mas and all so we'll only get a reaction next year.
ill be checking this business out at the address its a drive away so ill do an investigation after Christmas is over and done with.
I just looked at the address on street view. I know that place for sure. 1 it is a hotel and cafes the bottom floor has a number of shops and cafes and the upper floors are hotel rooms and function rooms you can hire out for the day.
I just looked at the address on street view. I know that place for sure. 1 it is a hotel and cafes the bottom floor has a number of shops and cafes and the upper floors are hotel rooms and function rooms you can hire out for the day.
this site is shady as. Reminds me of those mtgix guys lol. And bitcointalks.org. Hopefully people are smart enough not to fall for this low level scum sucking.
anonymousads.com is serving advertisements for CPC.
e.g here: http://bitcoins.tumblr.com/post/38065525717/bitcoin-clusters they are advertising their 5.2Gh/s scamrig.
e.g here: http://bitcoins.tumblr.com/post/38065525717/bitcoin-clusters they are advertising their 5.2Gh/s scamrig.
Yes, I saw it too. Buyers, beware!
Clearly a scam site, thanks to those who create this thread and did the research. Hopefully they don't fool too many people.
Same address for all products and with balance that look like paid for CPC 5.2 (facepalm)
http://blockchain.info/address/1J3oMsVRSUSdcWYqPGfvqqAUnm5NTv4BSQ
I can't wait for 3 months from now where people who read this thread before purchasing are posting in it saying they've been ripped off.
You know what's worse? The Manchester City Council is too dumb to recognize the guarantee issue as a problematic issue and to look further into that company. Now I'll have to break out the big guns.
I can't wait for 3 months from now where people who read this thread before purchasing are posting in it saying they've been ripped off.
anonymousads.com is serving advertisements for CPC.
e.g here: http://bitcoins.tumblr.com/post/38065525717/bitcoin-clusters they are advertising their 5.2Gh/s scamrig.
e.g here: http://bitcoins.tumblr.com/post/38065525717/bitcoin-clusters they are advertising their 5.2Gh/s scamrig.
The who is info
Registered a couple days ago... and they already "a high percentage of our business is from repeat customers and referrals". Impressive
#scam
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Domain name:
cpcelectronics.co.uk
Registrant:
CPC Electronics
Registrant type:
UK Sole Trader
Registrant's address:
CPC Electronics
3 Piccadilly Place
Manchester
LAN
M1 3BN
United Kingdom
Registrar:
1 & 1 Internet AG [Tag = SCHLUND]
URL: http://www.1and1.co.uk or http://registrar.1und1.info
Relevant dates:
Registered on: 13-Dec-2012
Expiry date: 13-Dec-2014
Last updated: 13-Dec-2012
Registration status:
Registered until expiry date.
Name servers:
ns67.1and1.co.uk 217.160.80.173 2001:08d8:00fe:0053:0000:d9a0:50ad:0100
ns68.1and1.co.uk 217.160.81.173 2001:08d8:00fe:0053:0000:d9a0:51ad:0100
WHOIS lookup made at 23:58:51 19-Dec-2012
cpcelectronics.co.uk
Registrant:
CPC Electronics
Registrant type:
UK Sole Trader
Registrant's address:
CPC Electronics
3 Piccadilly Place
Manchester
LAN
M1 3BN
United Kingdom
Registrar:
1 & 1 Internet AG [Tag = SCHLUND]
URL: http://www.1and1.co.uk or http://registrar.1und1.info
Relevant dates:
Registered on: 13-Dec-2012
Expiry date: 13-Dec-2014
Last updated: 13-Dec-2012
Registration status:
Registered until expiry date.
Name servers:
ns67.1and1.co.uk 217.160.80.173 2001:08d8:00fe:0053:0000:d9a0:50ad:0100
ns68.1and1.co.uk 217.160.81.173 2001:08d8:00fe:0053:0000:d9a0:51ad:0100
WHOIS lookup made at 23:58:51 19-Dec-2012
Registered a couple days ago... and they already "a high percentage of our business is from repeat customers and referrals". Impressive
#scam
Contacted them, they said that they were sure their customers had reviewed them online but I couldn't find anything.
Their whois entry is 5 days old. http://whois.domaintools.com/cpcelectronics.co.uk
No contact or adress information on the site but the chat, the adress listed on WHOIS is a huge office block, about the best adress in Manchester, so it's likely a mail forwarding service.
Yeah, this looks like a "money re-appropriator"
EDIT: Haha, laughing about the 1 year guarantee. You can't even do that in the EU. That's way too short.
I don't think it's a mail drop, but the address seems to cater to only offices (highend, as you implied) and not manufacturing: http://www.orega.com/orega-offices/manchester
No. And you can take that to the bank.
They appear to be infringing on one of Farnell's trademarks, and I'm pretty sure anyone legitimate would have heard of Farnell and known better.
I may accidentally just have sicced the Manchester City Council on them. Whoops. I'm just not good with this computer stuff.
Well, you can't be expected to know everything about how these here internets work.
I may accidentally just have sicced the Manchester City Council on them. Whoops. I'm just not good with this computer stuff.
Hopefully I was one of the only ones to see it - everything is just a huge red flag here.
Contacted them, they said that they were sure their customers had reviewed them online but I couldn't find anything.
Their whois entry is 5 days old. http://whois.domaintools.com/cpcelectronics.co.uk
No contact or adress information on the site but the chat, the adress listed on WHOIS is a huge office block, about the best adress in Manchester, so it's likely a mail forwarding service.
Yeah, this looks like a "money re-appropriator"
EDIT: Haha, laughing about the 1 year guarantee. You can't even do that in the EU. That's way too short.
Thanks for alerting us to the questionable claims made by this website. I have removed their link from display, but will be happy to re-include it if they can substantiate their claims.
It's what I was assuming. I gave the support chat person the link to this thread if they want to come in and defend the site, but it looks like a scam to me.
Shame I found it through BitVisitor, most sites I've seen in there are actually pretty good.
Shame I found it through BitVisitor, most sites I've seen in there are actually pretty good.
Contacted them, they said that they were sure their customers had reviewed them online but I couldn't find anything.
They say that it should have comparable performance to an ASIC, not sure how much of that was the contact person's sales speak or not since I don't know exactly what they're selling. It seems like you would need more than 70w for their 5.2GH/s system.
For what they say they're selling, do the prices look inline with expectations or too good to be true?
Too good to be true + blatantly scammish. Not to mention they don't even accept any CC's and stick to Bitcoin for the anonymity. They say that it should have comparable performance to an ASIC, not sure how much of that was the contact person's sales speak or not since I don't know exactly what they're selling. It seems like you would need more than 70w for their 5.2GH/s system.
For what they say they're selling, do the prices look inline with expectations or too good to be true?
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Is your hardware based on a custom ASIC chip?
No, the hardware is comprised of AMD GPU stream processors on VLIW-5 architecture
Which mining software is compatible with your hardware?
The hardware in installed with a Windows server 2008 and the latest Ubuntu distrubition as dual boot system and has the required drivers preconfigured with most mining software such as Ufasoft, Bfgminer and our own custom CPC Miner.
No, the hardware is comprised of AMD GPU stream processors on VLIW-5 architecture
Which mining software is compatible with your hardware?
The hardware in installed with a Windows server 2008 and the latest Ubuntu distrubition as dual boot system and has the required drivers preconfigured with most mining software such as Ufasoft, Bfgminer and our own custom CPC Miner.
Massive errors and inconsistent stuff. Try fitting 800GH worth of VLIW-5 GPU's in a case and see? Dual booting miners? Windows server 2008? Unprofessional site and spelling?
They're too good to be true. The 800GH/s rig claims to use 2500W. AMD GPUs? Right. The 67.2GH/s rig is supposed to use less power (230W) than Avalon.
Contacted them, they said that they were sure their customers had reviewed them online but I couldn't find anything.
They say that it should have comparable performance to an ASIC, not sure how much of that was the contact person's sales speak or not since I don't know exactly what they're selling. It seems like you would need more than 70w for their 5.2GH/s system.
For what they say they're selling, do the prices look inline with expectations or too good to be true?
They say that it should have comparable performance to an ASIC, not sure how much of that was the contact person's sales speak or not since I don't know exactly what they're selling. It seems like you would need more than 70w for their 5.2GH/s system.
For what they say they're selling, do the prices look inline with expectations or too good to be true?
"Is your hardware based on a custom ASIC chip?
No, the hardware is comprised of AMD GPU stream processors on VLIW-5 architecture"
I can't imagine an 800G/H "system" bases on 5000 Series AMD GPUs
I can, though. It'll be a huge warehouse-sized enclosure for the sheer amount of GPU's involved. No, the hardware is comprised of AMD GPU stream processors on VLIW-5 architecture"
I can't imagine an 800G/H "system" bases on 5000 Series AMD GPUs
"Is your hardware based on a custom ASIC chip?
No, the hardware is comprised of AMD GPU stream processors on VLIW-5 architecture"
I can't imagine an 800 GH/s "system" bases on 5000 Series AMD GPUs
No, the hardware is comprised of AMD GPU stream processors on VLIW-5 architecture"
I can't imagine an 800 GH/s "system" bases on 5000 Series AMD GPUs
So are they selling others ASICs in there own enclosures? Strange indeed.
No idea, but seems strange. No actual pics (all from photoshopped stock pics of cases) and no verification anywhere, Geotrust cert is legit though.
http://www.cpcelectronics.co.uk/index.html
Found via BitVisitor today, can't find any other information about them. Has anybody else dealt with them?
Found via BitVisitor today, can't find any other information about them. Has anybody else dealt with them?
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