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Quote from: PrinceVisser on May 09, 2022, 07:59:17 AM

Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 01:16:32 AM

1:We all know it’s house edge :1%
2:This game you access any gambling website , its always auto run there .

How to change it ? Or could we change it different?

1: we make the house edge 0% or just 0.1%?
Could we change the house edge or not? In my experience i think its gone be ok!

2:How to make money as the casino owner?
First , you can control the game time！
you could choose to open a new game anytime，and control the game time like 30mins or 1hour， why do that？ you could take the winner profits 1～5% as fee
its like， i join your game room ，play the crash，the game is 0 edge to me but just in 30mins or 1hour，i don’t know i will win or not , if i win , maybe 100 usd, i will pay u 1~5 usd as fee , i think its ok , If i lose 100usd,i think the game is fair to me , i just lose to the 0 edge game, that ok right?

3: if as a player , you think its not fair about the hash , you could choose to different seeds game room

I just want know the calculation of these new ways ，good or not？

thanks everyone‘s answers！

Crash has more algorithms and mathematics involved in it than you can possibly imagine and no one will change that.

Also the new ideas presented favor the gamblers and less favorable for the gambling site so they won't be implemented. By lower the house edge and introduction PVP for crash games is not feasible for the gambling casino , so i don't see any reason why they will implement these proposed changes and put a dent on their earnings.

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Quote from: seagullx on May 10, 2022, 04:29:09 AM

I like to ask for some good answers . It’s the best way to figure out something.

Sure, you can ask around, but, I think the best way to figure something out is to figure it out yourself. Just wrap your head around the problem for a day, a week, a month and THEN, if you still don't have an answer, ask around for help.

Do you really believe that there would be someone will really be helping out in regards to this new idea kind of question? No one for sure yet they do know that on this industry they would really be tending

to be the first thats why its really hard to believe on that there would be someone will really be telling you with some new ideas.You wont really be having any choice but to think up on your own

and dont rely nor depend if they would be answering out on the help that you are seeking considering that competition is really high.

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Quote from: FatFork on May 10, 2022, 03:32:24 AM

Quote from: seagullx on May 09, 2022, 11:50:41 PM

In this case, to everybody, casino is our enemy,but the game is casino is good, fair , interesting !
If we could to turn it into pvp game, I don’t know, will people like it more?

People frequently ask for more PvP games, and we've had similar questions before... There are numerous topics on the subject. I suggest you search around on the forum if you are interested.

But, there's a reason why PvP skill games are not as popular as slots (and other games of chance) in online casinos. There has to be a lot of players online for a PVP games to fill the rooms, there is a problem with betting amounts matchmaking, so a special algorithm must be implemented, there has to be a way to deal with fake accounts and bots... And the list goes on. That's why you won't find many PvP gambling platforms online, and PvP games are a minority, as they can't keep players' interest for long.

Therefore, maybe adding PvP is a good idea for a casino once they have lots of players, but I don't think it's the best way to get started. For example, Duelbits casino began as a simple PvP gaming site, but has since evolved into a full-fledged crypto casino that offers live games, slots, blackjack, and a host of other casino games. They still offer a PvP gambling experience, however. You should try Dice Duels, which is basically a dice game, but you are competing with other players, and the winner is the player with the highest roll.

I very much agree with what the PVP option is and if you are right about Duelbits, therefore if they consider having PVP for their games I think it will make it a greater attraction, particularly when there are PVP games the first thing I think is that I have more chance to win than to play against the house, then if the problem lies in the traffic and that there are more participants for the PVP, you could think of doing more publicity on social networks, and thus little by little you can reach all those players who They are looking for opportunities with PVP games and more in casinos, be it poker or any game.

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Quote from: seagullx on May 10, 2022, 04:29:09 AM

I like to ask for some good answers . It’s the best way to figure out something.

Sure, you can ask around, but, I think the best way to figure something out is to figure it out yourself. Just wrap your head around the problem for a day, a week, a month and THEN, if you still don't have an answer, ask around for help.

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Quote from: FatFork on May 10, 2022, 03:32:24 AM

Quote from: seagullx on May 09, 2022, 11:50:41 PM

In this case, to everybody, casino is our enemy，but the game is casino is good, fair , interesting !
If we could to turn it into pvp game, I don’t know, will people like it more?

People frequently ask for more PvP games, and we've had similar questions before... There are numerous topics on the subject. I suggest you search around on the forum if you are interested.

But, there's a reason why PvP skill games are not as popular as slots (and other games of chance) in online casinos. There has to be a lot of players online for a PVP games to fill the rooms, there is a problem with betting amounts matchmaking, so a special algorithm must be implemented, there has to be a way to deal with fake accounts and bots... And the list goes on. That's why you won't find many PvP gambling platforms online, and PvP games are a minority, as they can't keep players' interest for long.

Therefore, maybe adding PvP is a good idea for a casino once they have lots of players, but I don't think it's the best way to get started. For example, Duelbits casino began as a simple PvP gaming site, but has since evolved into a full-fledged crypto casino that offers live games, slots, blackjack, and a host of other casino games. They still offer a PvP gambling experience, however. You should try Dice Duels, which is basically a dice game, but you are competing with other players, and the winner is the player with the highest roll.

thanks for your advice！
PvP game has a lot of questions , just like u said , AI robots ,cheating ,so , i think 1v1 is the first step!
I really dislike people that they always think the result right now is the best choice!
I like to ask for some good answers . It’s the best way to figure out something.
So right now, we have know that , pvp is not good enough for casino to make money ,also Take winner’s profits 1~5% in limit time as fee is not good for casino owner too, change a gambling website into a pure white label ,not provide real money service ,its all stupid minds. But as a player, everybody knows its better for them that if these all be ture!

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Quote from: seagullx on May 09, 2022, 11:50:41 PM

In this case, to everybody, casino is our enemy，but the game is casino is good, fair , interesting !
If we could to turn it into pvp game, I don’t know, will people like it more?

People frequently ask for more PvP games, and we've had similar questions before... There are numerous topics on the subject. I suggest you search around on the forum if you are interested.

But, there's a reason why PvP skill games are not as popular as slots (and other games of chance) in online casinos. There has to be a lot of players online for a PVP games to fill the rooms, there is a problem with betting amounts matchmaking, so a special algorithm must be implemented, there has to be a way to deal with fake accounts and bots... And the list goes on. That's why you won't find many PvP gambling platforms online, and PvP games are a minority, as they can't keep players' interest for long.

Therefore, maybe adding PvP is a good idea for a casino once they have lots of players, but I don't think it's the best way to get started. For example, Duelbits casino began as a simple PvP gaming site, but has since evolved into a full-fledged crypto casino that offers live games, slots, blackjack, and a host of other casino games. They still offer a PvP gambling experience, however. You should try Dice Duels, which is basically a dice game, but you are competing with other players, and the winner is the player with the highest roll.

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First , you can control the game time！
you could choose to open a new game anytime，and control the game time like 30mins or 1hour， why do that？ you could take the winner profits 1～5% as fee
its like， i join your game room ，play the crash，the game is 0 edge to me but just in 30mins or 1hour，i don’t know i will win or not , if i win , maybe 100 usd, i will pay u 1~5 usd as fee , i think its ok , If i lose 100usd,i think the game is fair to me , i just lose to the 0 edge game, that ok right?

Seems like a dumb idea to me.
What if the users create multiple accounts by using VPNs or residential proxies,so that they could bypass this rule?Spending more resources to implement this "time limit" rule and trying to stop the players from bypassing it and exploiting the crypto casino would make the entire business model unprofitable.
Crash games simply work,I'm not a big fan of crash games,but they work.If something works,why bother changing it?Such changes would make the crash games less desirable by the gamblers and the crypto casinos would lose money.

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Quote from: Poker Player on May 09, 2022, 10:24:04 PM

It seems to me that the OP thinks he has thought of a cool idea but neither is it cool nor does he seem to have much idea of how a casino and HE works.

This seems to me to be the most important thing:

Quote from: dothebeats on May 06, 2022, 03:08:14 AM

Two things: casino will go bust or casino will die due to lack of players. Why take a share of the winnings of the players if you already have some house-edge setup? Your casino operators are not the government to tax players of their gains lol. They shouldn't be collecting a share of the players' wins just to make some profit. A very bad business model I should say. The casino will go bust very easily and the players will not be attracted to play at all.

I too see that his idea of changing the HE by taking money from the player out of his profits would not work. And he doesn't talk about costs of operating a casino.

Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 01:16:32 AM

1: we make the house edge 0% or just 0.1%?
Could we change the house edge or not? In my experience i think its gone be ok!

I don't know what experience you will have, I think you are talking about ideas, not experience. If you have to build a new casino it has costs, and even if you have already built it, it has maintenance and advertising costs to attract people to it. Also to make the players that go there come back has costs in terms of promotions and so on. When you think about the HE or what you want to take out of the profits, think that with a low percentage you will only cover the costs or not even that.

When i am a poker player and learn about it everyday , i find this game real meaning is that we can’t discuss the process by result ! You need to build your poker knowledge then push it down and forget it , setup new strategy for different people!
In this case, to everybody, casino is our enemy，but the game is casino is good, fair , interesting !
If we could to turn it into pvp game, I don’t know, will people like it more?

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Quote from: Poker Player on May 09, 2022, 10:24:04 PM

It seems to me that the OP thinks he has thought of a cool idea but neither is it cool nor does he seem to have much idea of how a casino and HE works.

This seems to me to be the most important thing:

Quote from: dothebeats on May 06, 2022, 03:08:14 AM

Two things: casino will go bust or casino will die due to lack of players. Why take a share of the winnings of the players if you already have some house-edge setup? Your casino operators are not the government to tax players of their gains lol. They shouldn't be collecting a share of the players' wins just to make some profit. A very bad business model I should say. The casino will go bust very easily and the players will not be attracted to play at all.

I too see that his idea of changing the HE by taking money from the player out of his profits would not work. And he doesn't talk about costs of operating a casino.

Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 01:16:32 AM

1: we make the house edge 0% or just 0.1%?
Could we change the house edge or not? In my experience i think its gone be ok!

I don't know what experience you will have, I think you are talking about ideas, not experience. If you have to build a new casino it has costs, and even if you have already built it, it has maintenance and advertising costs to attract people to it. Also to make the players that go there come back has costs in terms of promotions and so on. When you think about the HE or what you want to take out of the profits, think that with a low percentage you will only cover the costs or not even that.

In my plan , this white label casino don’t need to attract people, its the club’s owner bussiness
0house-edge is step 1, pvp crypto games is step2 , think about it please , we could play crash 1v1 just like poker heads-up, its real fair game !

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It seems to me that the OP thinks he has thought of a cool idea but neither is it cool nor does he seem to have much idea of how a casino and HE works.

This seems to me to be the most important thing:

Quote from: dothebeats on May 06, 2022, 03:08:14 AM

Two things: casino will go bust or casino will die due to lack of players. Why take a share of the winnings of the players if you already have some house-edge setup? Your casino operators are not the government to tax players of their gains lol. They shouldn't be collecting a share of the players' wins just to make some profit. A very bad business model I should say. The casino will go bust very easily and the players will not be attracted to play at all.

I too see that his idea of changing the HE by taking money from the player out of his profits would not work. And he doesn't talk about costs of operating a casino.

Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 01:16:32 AM

1: we make the house edge 0% or just 0.1%?
Could we change the house edge or not? In my experience i think its gone be ok!

I don't know what experience you will have, I think you are talking about ideas, not experience. If you have to build a new casino it has costs, and even if you have already built it, it has maintenance and advertising costs to attract people to it. Also to make the players that go there come back has costs in terms of promotions and so on. When you think about the HE or what you want to take out of the profits, think that with a low percentage you will only cover the costs or not even that.

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Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 01:16:32 AM

1: we make the house edge 0% or just 0.1%?

According to me, No casino's owner will do this.
It's the general policy of all the gambling site to charge a certain percentage and in my life I have never witnessed such a site who take 0% house edge.
You forgot the term "The house always wins"? This is due to the house edge charged by the gambling site owners for which they were able to make good profits.
And yes the games aren't controlled by the gambling site owner, so it would be really difficult for them to create a complex code to host games in private rooms.
I would really appreciate if all the gambling sites reduce their house edge to something similar to 0.5%, this will encourage more gamblers to place more bets.

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Quote from: seagullx on May 08, 2022, 03:00:35 AM

But , when i access a new gambling website , i just feel :”boring!”
Everything is same , no creatives !no pvp competition, like the mummy！

I think you're in the wrong area if you're looking for something creative? or even pvp based even. Yes, there's games like poker and blackjack that lets you play against other players, but most of the time casinos revolve around trying to get lucky on an algorithm, pretty much just like how poker really is, just that there are multiple of you in one instance. If you were looking for pvp competitions I'd suggest moving on to fps, mobas, etc, basically any other type of game out there that does not rely on luck, but rather pure skill. And by skill, I mean mechanical skill, not the mind play games stuff that happens in poker tables.

I just want to discuss these ideas with you, Didn't mean to offend！

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Quote from: seagullx on May 08, 2022, 03:00:35 AM

But , when i access a new gambling website , i just feel :”boring!”
Everything is same , no creatives !no pvp competition, like the mummy！

I think you're in the wrong area if you're looking for something creative? or even pvp based even. Yes, there's games like poker and blackjack that lets you play against other players, but most of the time casinos revolve around trying to get lucky on an algorithm, pretty much just like how poker really is, just that there are multiple of you in one instance. If you were looking for pvp competitions I'd suggest moving on to fps, mobas, etc, basically any other type of game out there that does not rely on luck, but rather pure skill. And by skill, I mean mechanical skill, not the mind play games stuff that happens in poker tables.

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Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 01:16:32 AM

1:We all know it’s house edge :1%
2:This game you access any gambling website , its always auto run there .

How to change it ? Or could we change it different?

1: we make the house edge 0% or just 0.1%?
Could we change the house edge or not? In my experience i think its gone be ok!

2:How to make money as the casino owner?
First , you can control the game time！
you could choose to open a new game anytime，and control the game time like 30mins or 1hour， why do that？ you could take the winner profits 1～5% as fee
its like， i join your game room ，play the crash，the game is 0 edge to me but just in 30mins or 1hour，i don’t know i will win or not , if i win , maybe 100 usd, i will pay u 1~5 usd as fee , i think its ok , If i lose 100usd,i think the game is fair to me , i just lose to the 0 edge game, that ok right?

3: if as a player , you think its not fair about the hash , you could choose to different seeds game room

I just want know the calculation of these new ways ，good or not？

thanks everyone‘s answers！

Crash has more algorithms and mathematics involved in it than you can possibly imagine and no one will change that.

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Quote from: ajochems on May 07, 2022, 06:19:00 PM

Why you are choosing the hard part of the game.Which is act like a owner of the casino.The easiest part of the gambling or casino is player.The player will easily win or loss in the game.But the casino owner need to pay the feees to the developers.The owner had to pay the person who working and marketing.

Because, the hard part is always profitable at the end. The hard part is only hard at first but once you learn how to grasp things, you will not feel that it was hard anymore but you will only enjoy the benefits. Not all wants to become a gambler or a player but some have a higher ambition than that, they want to be a businessman in the form of creating their own casino.

Online crypto casinos are in demand these days, that is why many are interested on building their own platforms. Being a casino player is indeed easy and stress free but do you think you can win as much as you like? I believe no but it was the casino that always win and the expense are going to be nothing if the casino is earning massive profits.

I hope everyone could to be the owner of a small casino (club)

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Quote from: ajochems on May 07, 2022, 06:19:00 PM

Why you are choosing the hard part of the game.Which is act like a owner of the casino.The easiest part of the gambling or casino is player.The player will easily win or loss in the game.But the casino owner need to pay the feees to the developers.The owner had to pay the person who working and marketing.

Because, the hard part is always profitable at the end. The hard part is only hard at first but once you learn how to grasp things, you will not feel that it was hard anymore but you will only enjoy the benefits. Not all wants to become a gambler or a player but some have a higher ambition than that, they want to be a businessman in the form of creating their own casino.

Online crypto casinos are in demand these days, that is why many are interested on building their own platforms. Being a casino player is indeed easy and stress free but do you think you can win as much as you like? I believe no but it was the casino that always win and the expense are going to be nothing if the casino is earning massive profits.

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Quote from: ajochems on May 07, 2022, 06:19:00 PM

Why you are choosing the hard part of the game.Which is act like a owner of the casino.The easiest part of the gambling or casino is player.The player will easily win or loss in the game.But the casino owner need to pay the feees to the developers.The owner had to pay the person who working and marketing.

You know that the game you take as hard will be easiest game for another person. i dont know for you but what i know best is that before some body will go along with game may be another person have enlightened it about the game and is the point why it like to play and experience how tough is the game

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Quote from: seagullx on May 08, 2022, 03:00:35 AM

But , when i access a new gambling website , i just feel :”boring!”
Everything is same , no creatives !no pvp competition, like the mummy！

Looks like you aren't that into gambling. Perhaps you should have chosen a different topic to discuss. If you're not comfortable in the topic, you shouldn't have commented on it.

If you think casino games are boring, how about sports betting? Do you enjoy watching any sporting events? Whatever it is, there must be a market for it. The options are endless!

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Quote from: Mauser on May 08, 2022, 02:50:35 AM

Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 01:16:32 AM

I just want know the calculation of these new ways ，good or not？

thanks everyone‘s answers！

Not really sure how to make calculations on this, because limiting times for games on casinos depends a lot where the most customers come from and which time will be available to play for them. Casinos operate internationally and the games run 24 hours a day, there will be gamblers coming from America, Europe and from Asia. To find a time slot that works all around the world seems a bit hard. I would expect most gamblers to play in the evening, so when have the games run in the evening in Europe, it will be night in Asia and morning in America. Having a flat fee for games makes the earnings much more predictable for casino, especially if the fee is not related to the betting size. If every gambler has to pay $5 and the house edge is 0 than the casino will likely not make any money from the games itself. After a few month of crash games the profit will equal to the fee. But with a house edge of 1% the casino should be doing better because more games will be run over the day and the casino profits of larger wages that will return more than $5.

Of course you are right !
The most important is nobody think that’s good idea for casino,i didn’t meant that they are looking too short-sighted
But , when i access a new gambling website , i just feel :”boring!”
Everything is same , no creatives !no pvp competition, like the mummy！

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Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 01:16:32 AM

I just want know the calculation of these new ways ，good or not？

thanks everyone‘s answers！

Not really sure how to make calculations on this, because limiting times for games on casinos depends a lot where the most customers come from and which time will be available to play for them. Casinos operate internationally and the games run 24 hours a day, there will be gamblers coming from America, Europe and from Asia. To find a time slot that works all around the world seems a bit hard. I would expect most gamblers to play in the evening, so when have the games run in the evening in Europe, it will be night in Asia and morning in America. Having a flat fee for games makes the earnings much more predictable for casino, especially if the fee is not related to the betting size. If every gambler has to pay $5 and the house edge is 0 than the casino will likely not make any money from the games itself. After a few month of crash games the profit will equal to the fee. But with a house edge of 1% the casino should be doing better because more games will be run over the day and the casino profits of larger wages that will return more than $5.

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Quote from: romero121 on May 07, 2022, 05:40:51 PM

This is just a suggestion, but I'm not sure whether this will bring profit to the casino. Most of the crash games function automatically where users were able to set the cashout or can get cashout when required. For this the players can be allowed to play a game like the one we had in the keypad phones. Snake game, which keeps running and the player needs to keep on collecting food and this make the snake grow in length. If we dash on the sides then it ends. Maybe that'll be more attractive as the control is in the hands of users.

Hey,man thanks for your time!
I think you want to say pvp game right?
Crash could to be a pvp game!
Just like poker sit and go. For example: you and me , play a competition, 100usd buyin, 10mins, 1000 chips in the crash game!
Who’s win the more chips , who is the winner ! Take 200usd rewards away !

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Quote from: romero121 on May 07, 2022, 05:40:51 PM

This is just a suggestion, but I'm not sure whether this will bring profit to the casino.

The OP's suggestion won't bring any profit to the casino. Just do the calculation on the method OP wanted to implement. It is purely on the players advantage.

Quote from: romero121 on May 07, 2022, 05:40:51 PM

Snake game, which keeps running and the player needs to keep on collecting food and this make the snake grow in length. If we dash on the sides then it ends. Maybe that'll be more attractive as the control is in the hands of users.

This will be better if implemented in Multiplayer mode. Competing on who will be eaten and get the funds of the opposing player while Casino earn x% from the winnings. This sounds more viable I guess.

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Why you are choosing the hard part of the game.Which is act like a owner of the casino.The easiest part of the gambling or casino is player.The player will easily win or loss in the game.But the casino owner need to pay the feees to the developers.The owner had to pay the person who working and marketing.

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Their was a basic rule of gambling is you will charge money as fee from the winner.The won’t pay the fee.Secondly you can conduct many tournaments in the casino.So for every tournament only few will be win.All the registration fee will come to owner pocket.For example,the tournament had 250 slots.The tournament will begin after the reach of that certain number.

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This is just a suggestion, but I'm not sure whether this will bring profit to the casino. Most of the crash games function automatically where users were able to set the cashout or can get cashout when required. For this the players can be allowed to play a game like the one we had in the keypad phones. Snake game, which keeps running and the player needs to keep on collecting food and this make the snake grow in length. If we dash on the sides then it ends. Maybe that'll be more attractive as the control is in the hands of users.

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Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 01:16:32 AM

1:We all know it’s house edge :1%
2:This game you access any gambling website , its always auto run there .

How to change it ? Or could we change it different?

1: we make the house edge 0% or just 0.1%?
Could we change the house edge or not? In my experience i think its gone be ok!

2:How to make money as the casino owner?
First , you can control the game time！
you could choose to open a new game anytime，and control the game time like 30mins or 1hour， why do that？ you could take the winner profits 1～5% as fee
its like， i join your game room ，play the crash，the game is 0 edge to me but just in 30mins or 1hour，i don’t know i will win or not , if i win , maybe 100 usd, i will pay u 1~5 usd as fee , i think its ok , If i lose 100usd,i think the game is fair to me , i just lose to the 0 edge game, that ok right?

3: if as a player , you think its not fair about the hash , you could choose to different seeds game room

I just want know the calculation of these new ways ，good or not？

thanks everyone‘s answers！

I'm not sure what difference that would make for the player?

At the end of the day, the player is going to get close to the same EV by your invention compared to if they just had a flat house edge, and of course the house isn't going to be willing to give away free money by having less house edge.

So it's not really an 'innovation' by any means. Could be fun but not really advantageous to either party.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on May 07, 2022, 03:33:02 AM

Now explain the ZERO percentage house edge to me please.... because with a ZERO percent house edge, you will effectively get all your money back and you as the host of the game will get zero percent profit to pay for your overheads to run the site?

How will you generate an income to host the site? Will the site be plastered with advertisements to get an income to run the site... or are you going to work on donations or tips?

I haven't seen a gambling site that has ads on them, I think the logic is simple. Doing that can annoy the players and makes them leave the site for good. Putting that donation address on the bottom of the page will also not guarantee that someone will donate on it because they gamble at the first place to earn a profit and they will not likely give it away but idk maybe there are still some that has a good heart and will donate something after they won huge.

It's like a sign of thank you for making a zero house edge site/game possible and other than that, it could mean that they like their stay on that site, e.g the ambiance and the overall service/feature was good.

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Quote from: Webetcoins on May 07, 2022, 03:25:23 PM

Is it really 1 percent edge? but I think house edge can also differ on each gambling sites. This is the reason why we can see sites that promotes lower edge like 0.1 percent than the other which has above 1 percent but if you are lucky you can still win no matter how high is the house edge and if you are unlucky you can also lose no matter how low the house edge is.

Why will you change it anyway? You don't own the site but you can try to post your suggestions as long as it's only realistic and hope that casino owner will follow it one day. A zero house edge seems good to be true already however I think some sites have attempted it on the past and obviously they didn't last long.

I agree with you, to win in Crash Creqeu, the advantage of the house and the RTP must be at all, I think it will not succeed, it is better than when you are going to play crash OP only you have to use it to have it is fun, Forget about profits because that can hinder many things, and you can lose money, just assign an amount of money that is willing to lose and if you lose it, stay with the fun and adrenaline you felt in that. weather.

I really don't think there is something to change the house's advantage to the player, and that is something that should always be known.

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Quote from: Webetcoins on May 07, 2022, 03:25:23 PM

Is it really 1 percent edge? but I think house edge can also differ on each gambling sites. This is the reason why we can see sites that promotes lower edge like 0.1 percent than the other which has above 1 percent but if you are lucky you can still win no matter how high is the house edge and if you are unlucky you can also lose no matter how low the house edge is.

^ It belongs to these games, Blackjack, Baccarat, Roulette, Video Poker and Online slots which are known that has a very low percentage of the house edge. The casino that has a higher deduction rate of RTP is most likely the favorite casino of all gamblers because they know it has a higher player’s winning rate. The 1% is really too small a percentage and it is most likely it always has a win-win situation if you are a casino owner here because they are always that big casino advantage.

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Is it really 1 percent edge? but I think house edge can also differ on each gambling sites. This is the reason why we can see sites that promotes lower edge like 0.1 percent than the other which has above 1 percent but if you are lucky you can still win no matter how high is the house edge and if you are unlucky you can also lose no matter how low the house edge is.

Why will you change it anyway? You don't own the site but you can try to post your suggestions as long as it's only realistic and hope that casino owner will follow it one day. A zero house edge seems good to be true already however I think some sites have attempted it on the past and obviously they didn't last long.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on May 07, 2022, 03:33:02 AM

Now explain the ZERO percentage house edge to me please.... because with a ZERO percent house edge, you will effectively get all your money back and you as the host of the game will get zero percent profit to pay for your overheads to run the site?

How will you generate an income to host the site? Will the site be plastered with advertisements to get an income to run the site... or are you going to work on donations or tips?

I think OP does not understand exactly how the house edge work and why the house edge is necessary for the casino. Also if you noticed, OP told that in case of win casino can take some 1 -5% of our winnings. Strange Wink

OP needs to realize that whenever we win, the casino has to pay the money out of their pocket and whenever we lose, of course, our money goes to the casino. Overall the casino are always in profit, otherwise, no one would want to run a business with loss. It is the players whose winning depends upon luck.

And I think the OP wants to have an easy money in casino where his bets will always in favor on his side lol. Maybe he should learn what CRASH GAME, HOUSE EDGE, or even the basic terminologies first and how does it contributes nor affects the gambling BEFORE even suggesting IDEAS -- which are just likely to be plain non-sense. But no, RTPs are the one that contradicts HOUSE EDGE. High RTPs means higher chance that a player can have his money back. Hence not always a profit. A user can still be lucky regardless of how very RNG the games are.

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Quote from: seagullx on May 07, 2022, 10:54:04 AM

Thanks for your answer , i think your advice is very good idea, maybe we could make a vip system ,you pay xxxusd / month , enjoy the 0 edge games and 0 % profits fee,even withdraw , its all free ,just let you often access
This gambling website , I believe ,the casino owner will show you something that you like to pay for them!

Without a positive house edge of 0,5%, 1% or 2% it will be impossible for the casino to grow their bankroll along the time and make the platform sustainable in order to pay big wins or general profit made by gamblers and also to make some profit for the managers. Without house edge the casino literally "crashes", just like the game you mentioned, and every players on the platform lose their entire funds.

But if you aren't convinced about this reality yet, you can always test on practice by yourself. You might want to launch your own virtual casino, set your own rules and watch for how long it's going to work...

Moreover, the reason why casinos don't decrease the house edge to 0,5% or even less in most cases, it's because they don't feel it's necessary. The number of active gamblers in a daily basis is good, the revenue generated is decent and the feedbacks are great, so why would they decrease their profit like that?

For new casinos it's another story, because they need attractive features to grow their customer base, so it's a possible idea to introduce lower house edge percentages (although they must be always positive). Anyway, be careful: "there's always free cheese in a mousetrap".

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Quote from: noormcs5 on May 07, 2022, 11:19:41 AM

Quote from: Kakmakr on May 07, 2022, 03:33:02 AM

Now explain the ZERO percentage house edge to me please.... because with a ZERO percent house edge, you will effectively get all your money back and you as the host of the game will get zero percent profit to pay for your overheads to run the site?

How will you generate an income to host the site? Will the site be plastered with advertisements to get an income to run the site... or are you going to work on donations or tips?

I think OP does not understand exactly how the house edge work and why the house edge is necessary for the casino. Also if you noticed, OP told that in case of win casino can take some 1 -5% of our winnings. Strange Wink

OP needs to realize that whenever we win, the casino has to pay the money out of their pocket and whenever we lose, of course, our money goes to the casino. Overall the casino are always in profit, otherwise, no one would want to run a business with loss. It is the players whose winning depends upon luck.

one thing i can say here, the OP should not explore the gambling business. clearly, he doesn't know how casino works. so if he will just set-up a fly-by-night crash site, better not proceed. he will just screw people and waste somebody else's time. there's a reason why there's HE. and if you try to promote your site with 0 HE, people will think that you are not here for serious business. maybe just for quick gain because you will attract naive players.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on May 07, 2022, 11:19:41 AM

I think OP does not understand exactly how the house edge work and why the house edge is necessary for the casino. Also if you noticed, OP told that in case of win casino can take some 1 -5% of our winnings. Strange Wink

It could be the very first casino/gambling that has system like this if he will not call this the house edge. But 5%? That's too high if most of the games has the same house edge or whatever call that. Which I don't think anyone will try or will be a long term user for such setup if it will not be changed.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on May 07, 2022, 03:33:02 AM

Now explain the ZERO percentage house edge to me please.... because with a ZERO percent house edge, you will effectively get all your money back and you as the host of the game will get zero percent profit to pay for your overheads to run the site?

How will you generate an income to host the site? Will the site be plastered with advertisements to get an income to run the site... or are you going to work on donations or tips?

I think OP does not understand exactly how the house edge work and why the house edge is necessary for the casino. Also if you noticed, OP told that in case of win casino can take some 1 -5% of our winnings. Strange Wink

OP needs to realize that whenever we win, the casino has to pay the money out of their pocket and whenever we lose, of course, our money goes to the casino. Overall the casino are always in profit, otherwise, no one would want to run a business with loss. It is the players whose winning depends upon luck.

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you could take the winner profits 1～5% as fee
its like， i join your game room ，play the crash，the game is 0 edge to me but just in 30mins or 1hour，i don’t know i will win or not , if i win , maybe 100 usd, i will pay u 1~5 usd as fee , i think its ok , If i lose 100usd,i think the game is fair to me , i just lose to the 0 edge game, that ok right?

Fees are one of the way these casino makes profits, so taking around 1 to 5% charge rate for each win is not a bad idea, but what if i would have suggest why not say 1 to 5% per withdrawal and not win? Is good, because the reason for starting a cosino business is to make profit

And, playing good games with good olds attract more people to a casino than any other thing else

Thanks for your answer , i think your advice is very good idea, maybe we could make a vip system ,you pay xxxusd / month , enjoy the 0 edge games and 0 % profits fee,even withdraw , its all free ,just let you often access
This gambling website , I believe ,the casino owner will show you something that you like to pay for them!

So (for example) you are willing to pay 100$ per month to the casino site and you want them to implement the 0% house edge, 0% fee, and Zero withdrawal fee so that at the end of the month you can make 1000$ a month ( Your profit will be 900$ in this example Wink

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I will further advise you that there are some casinos that claim to offer 0% house edge. Do not fall for their scam as they publish such false statements to get customers only.

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Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 01:16:32 AM

you could take the winner profits 1～5% as fee
its like， i join your game room ，play the crash，the game is 0 edge to me but just in 30mins or 1hour，i don’t know i will win or not , if i win , maybe 100 usd, i will pay u 1~5 usd as fee , i think its ok , If i lose 100usd,i think the game is fair to me , i just lose to the 0 edge game, that ok right?

Fees are one of the way these casino makes profits, so taking around 1 to 5% charge rate for each win is not a bad idea, but what if i would have suggest why not say 1 to 5% per withdrawal and not win? Is good, because the reason for starting a cosino business is to make profit

And, playing good games with good olds attract more people to a casino than any other thing else

Thanks for your answer , i think your advice is very good idea, maybe we could make a vip system ,you pay xxxusd / month , enjoy the 0 edge games and 0 % profits fee,even withdraw , its all free ,just let you often access
This gambling website , I believe ,the casino owner will show you something that you like to pay for them!

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Quote from: CryptoHeadlineNews on May 07, 2022, 09:24:07 AM

Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 01:16:32 AM

the game is 0 edge to me but just in 30mins or 1hour，i

Fees are one of the way these casino makes profits, so taking around 1 to 5% charge rate for each win is not a bad idea, but what if i would have suggest why not say 1 to 5% per withdrawal and not win?

If they will choose to switch to 1 to 5 % fee for each withdrawal, then the casino profit will be less. In my perspective honestly saying, having a 1-5% fee per win is just very similar to having a 1-5% house edge. I see it that has no difference at all. In fact, I think it is much better than having 1-5% house edge.

To OP, I think it is better to have it running for almost all times. If you have pause every time, you'll get less customers.

I think it is worth trying though

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Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 01:16:32 AM

you could take the winner profits 1～5% as fee
its like， i join your game room ，play the crash，the game is 0 edge to me but just in 30mins or 1hour，i don’t know i will win or not , if i win , maybe 100 usd, i will pay u 1~5 usd as fee , i think its ok , If i lose 100usd,i think the game is fair to me , i just lose to the 0 edge game, that ok right?

Fees are one of the way these casino makes profits, so taking around 1 to 5% charge rate for each win is not a bad idea, but what if i would have suggest why not say 1 to 5% per withdrawal and not win? Is good, because the reason for starting a cosino business is to make profit

And, playing good games with good olds attract more people to a casino than any other thing else

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Quote from: FatFork on May 06, 2022, 01:51:35 PM

You don't seem to understand what "house edge" actually means. Suppose the house edge is really zero, and you play a game with an equal chance of winning or losing, such as tossing a coin. That would mean that every player would have a 50% chance of winning. Hence, half the players would lose in the long run, and half would win. In that case, where would the casino make their profits?

I think OP knows what house edge is but he wanted to get the most by pointing out ideas and making us support them. Actually it is beneficial from a player's point but at the same time devastating to the casino owner. If I were a Casino owner, I will trash the idea and just proceeds with what is the norm in the crash game industry. In neutrality, it is very interesting if the Casino really implements the OP's suggestion.

I'm sure that Casino owners won't support any idea that won't make their business earn. There should be a balance earning for both owners and players. Op's idea would be good for players who love crash games but would make the developers suffer. It's quite unrealistic at some point.

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Quote from: Flexystar on May 07, 2022, 06:45:48 AM

There is no way the secrets gonna be out just like that. House edge is defined by every casino as per their strategies. Remember that, whether it’s crash or slot or any other game the casino works as business model which takes up more than 97% RTP. Otherwise casino’s would drain up their deposits in no time. Imagine those thousands of bets being played on casino at any real time and if immediately everyone started to win on every bet then done, casinos closed. So just try your luck, enjoy the different games and don’t make it habit of earning money from casino.

That's wishful thinking, people should be realistic when playing a good gambler should not exceed his expectation, if he wins in a day that does not mean that he can do it over and over again, it's a luck-based game you cannot be lucky every time you sit there, casinos are not created to make money your investment here is your time and not your money if you're not enjoying anymore better stop playing.

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There is no way the secrets gonna be out just like that. House edge is defined by every casino as per their strategies. Remember that, whether it’s crash or slot or any other game the casino works as business model which takes up more than 97% RTP. Otherwise casino’s would drain up their deposits in no time. Imagine those thousands of bets being played on casino at any real time and if immediately everyone started to win on every bet then done, casinos closed. So just try your luck, enjoy the different games and don’t make it habit of earning money from casino.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on May 07, 2022, 03:33:02 AM

How will you generate an income to host the site? Will the site be plastered with advertisements to get an income to run the site... or are you going to work on donations or tips?

I think he is thinking about the players donation and tips which I think wouldn't work I think what he is thinking is charity, giving away money and not a business. If you are a gambling site owner you wouldn't consider having a 0% house edge as you are just wasting time and money and only rely on donations and tips from players.

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Go for a 0% house edge and you'll eventually be going to adjust to a likelihood of 0.1%.

A casino is a business and as an owner, you'll have to take a share from the operation that you'll do unless you want to run a charity out of it. Taking a percentage from the winner's profit on top of the house edge, you'll just push customers away.

So, you think 0%edge and take winner’s profit is not good idea, even its more fair and cheap fees than 1%~2.5%edge

Yes, it's not a good idea.

If it's quite new to the player, he would be better if it's about the edge and there's no cutting out from the winner's money. It depends on the numbers though.

Whichever is lesser for you to take, well I guess that's where the players would be favorable for the fees.

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Now explain the ZERO percentage house edge to me please.... because with a ZERO percent house edge, you will effectively get all your money back and you as the host of the game will get zero percent profit to pay for your overheads to run the site?

How will you generate an income to host the site? Will the site be plastered with advertisements to get an income to run the site... or are you going to work on donations or tips?

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Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 11:26:26 PM

In ten mins , if you bet100 usd * 100times your wagers is 10000 usd ,its means you had pay 10000*1%=100 usd to casino whatever you win or not,right?

Wrong. This is not how the house edge works. The house doesn't take a 1 percent or 2 percent or 10 percent cut of every game. The house edge simply means that casinos have a mathematical advantage over the players in any given game.

Roulette might be the easiest way to explain this. Have you ever played Roulette in a casino?
On a standard Roulette wheel, there are 36 number pockets, of which half are black and half red. So, if you bet on red, you should have an equal chance of winning or losing, right? Here's where the house edge comes into play since the wheel has an extra pocket, "0", marked in green. This means that there is always a 1/37 chance that the ball will land on that pocket, and that neither "black" nor "red" will win. In other words, using the house edge math, we can calculate the edge as 1/37 = 0.027 or 2.7%.
American style roulette has two additional pockets, "0" and "00", so the house edge there is even higher and we can calculate it as 2 x (1/38) = 0.0526 or 5.26%.

So it doesn't matter how you think the casino should take their profits, the fact is that all casino games have a house edge that can be calculated based on odds and potential winnings. It's just basic math.

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Quote from: khaled0111 on May 06, 2022, 01:01:53 PM

I am not sure I correctly understood your idea but isn't the fee you are going to charge on winnings exactly what the house edge means!

Let's suppose just for the sake of argument that there will be a lonely player and he will play two 10 minutes rounds and the game odds are 50/50 (this is what the numbers will tend towards anyway with more players and more rounds).
Let's also suppose he will bet a total of $100 on each round. Since the odds of winning are 50/50 then it's safe to assume he will lose it all on one round (-$100) and double it on the other round on which you will charge him a 5% fee (+$95).
By the end, the player ended up with - 5$ loss and the casino with +$5 profit on a total bet of $200. So, on the long run the casino profit is 2.5% from all rounds.

This is what your house edge is: fee/2

Yes ,sir , you calculate the total bet * 5%fee ,its right , but the point is time.
In ten mins , if you bet100 usd * 100times your wagers is 10000 usd ,its means you had pay 10000*1%=100 usd to casino whatever you win or not,right?
But if this casino just take your profits* 5% in ten mins when you win ,the wagers doesn’t matter,which one is better to players?
so i think ,its should be different between them!

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I haven't come across a casino with 0% HE, but has it existed before?
As far as I know, HE is the casino's way of profiting from the gamblers where the bigger the percentage of HE, the greater the chance of profit the casino gets from the losing gamblers. But every gambler of course has their own choice about the percentage of HE they prefer, maybe the smaller the percentage the better to consider.

Crash game is an easy and fun game but has let me down on several occasions with a losing streak. hahaha

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Quote from: FatFork on May 06, 2022, 01:51:35 PM

You don't seem to understand what "house edge" actually means. Suppose the house edge is really zero, and you play a game with an equal chance of winning or losing, such as tossing a coin. That would mean that every player would have a 50% chance of winning. Hence, half the players would lose in the long run, and half would win. In that case, where would the casino make their profits?

I think OP knows what house edge is but he wanted to get the most by pointing out ideas and making us support them. Actually it is beneficial from a player's point but at the same time devastating to the casino owner. If I were a Casino owner, I will trash the idea and just proceeds with what is the norm in the crash game industry. In neutrality, it is very interesting if the Casino really implements the OP's suggestion.

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Casinos have a house edge because is the way to make business with gambling. If you have a house edge of 0% that means the casino will not win in the long run. For each $1,000,000 wagered the site would earn 0%. And that way the operational cost (servers, bankroll, and license) should come from the owner pocket.

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Two things: casino will go bust or casino will die due to lack of players. Why take a share of the winnings of the players if you already have some house-edge setup? Your casino operators are not the government to tax players of their gains lol. They shouldn't be collecting a share of the players' wins just to make some profit. A very bad business model I should say. The casino will go bust very easily and the players will not be attracted to play at all.

I have said , the house-edge could change to zero!
To me, i would rather to play crash for 10 minutes everyday , whatever win or Lose.
So if i bet 100usd every time , its mean i pay 1usd to casino,
But i know i just want to play 10mins , could i play a real 0 edge fair game ?
If i win , i like to pay 1%-5% profits to casino as the service fee or just tips?

Sadly you are not the only player in the Casino, taking your idea into consideration, you pay 1 USD, but you win 99 USD, do you think a Casino will survive given that player pay ratio? Aside from that, there are many players who bet and win more than $100 while you pay $1 to the casino. In the end, you wanted a Casino to bear losses while you rake profits from them.

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Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 08:22:40 AM

Quote from: jossiel on May 06, 2022, 08:10:46 AM

Go for a 0% house edge and you'll eventually be going to adjust to a likelihood of 0.1%.

A casino is a business and as an owner, you'll have to take a share from the operation that you'll do unless you want to run a charity out of it. Taking a percentage from the winner's profit on top of the house edge, you'll just push customers away.

So, you think 0%edge and take winner’s profit is not good idea, even its more fair and cheap fees than 1%~2.5%edge

You don't seem to understand what "house edge" actually means. Suppose the house edge is really zero, and you play a game with an equal chance of winning or losing, such as tossing a coin. That would mean that every player would have a 50% chance of winning. Hence, half the players would lose in the long run, and half would win. In that case, where would the casino make their profits?

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Quote from: perla on May 06, 2022, 03:32:39 AM

I don't think that's how casino works, usually it would works on their favor and not on the players so don't expect it to happen since it is business and they wouldn't risk that kind of thing for you so it is either you get used to it or don't play on those gambling sites at all.

Totally agree with you, even outside gambling, business claim to put their customers first only because they want more customers, they treat their customers nicely because they want that customer to keep bring money to them and also bring more customers.
But when it comes to money, we all know that every businesses puts their pocket first.

So also it is with casinos, casinos love their customers but their business is first, they are in business to make profit on the money and time they've invested to put up the Casino, this is why majority of customers loss and only a few lucky ones win, this is because if they make their games easy to win, and all the customers win the game, they probably will not be able to pay every one and they gonna go bankrupt.

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You cannot manually auto-change the house edge because it's set by the website by itself and it's different for a lot of other games. What you can do is manually cash out! Change your bet on a particular crash round and at the same time if you are not satisfied you can very easily check other sites as well whose gaming could be more profitable for you with a better RTP. For me I love crash games but there are few sites on where it would continually crash at 0 which is quite annoying but for some if you go slow and steady , you can make quite the profit. I don't really trust the game a lot now, seems like it's all hooked up to make us loose. That gets us to ur second point 'controlling the game' it must be actually 'fair'

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I am not sure I correctly understood your idea but isn't the fee you are going to charge on winnings exactly what the house edge means!

Let's suppose just for the sake of argument that there will be a lonely player and he will play two 10 minutes rounds and the game odds are 50/50 (this is what the numbers will tend towards anyway with more players and more rounds).
Let's also suppose he will bet a total of $100 on each round. Since the odds of winning are 50/50 then it's safe to assume he will lose it all on one round (-$100) and double it on the other round on which you will charge him a 5% fee (+$95).
By the end, the player ended up with - 5$ loss and the casino with +$5 profit on a total bet of $200. So, on the long run the casino profit is 2.5% from all rounds.

This is what your house edge is: fee/2

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Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 08:22:40 AM

So, you think 0%edge and take winner’s profit is not good idea, even its more fair and cheap fees than 1%~2.5%edge

If a casino or a gambling site have that kind of house edge then that site would surely go bust and die. House edge is what the site's profit will be and the amount that the gamblers lose will be keep safe by them and use it to pay those who want to withdraw their winnings and those who deposited less but won bigtime. Can you provide the funds yourself for your crew or staffs alone if you don't take 1% as a house edge?. 1% is low enough unlike other gambling sites where house edge is not %1 at all.

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Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 04:02:52 AM

Everything is possible !
To casino , everybody knows the biggest problem is new players, why? Because they make too much money!

If i creat a new online gambling website , i will do it !

If you manage to create a casino that doesn't charge house edge and has a rules in favor with players, Feel free to notify us so that we can support you and share us your money. I knew some project casino before that offer 0% house edge. I think it's edgeless, I don't know what happened to them since it's way back 2017 to 2018 but as you can see, They are not popular anymore and probably dead despite they offer what you suggest.

That’s bad news.
Maybe online casino could provider different way to make players money!
I just want discuss the idea with smart guys ,because I’m a stupid boy!

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Casinos are made as a business, to earn money, not to financially adjust their rules just to attract players that can't afford 1% house edge. No offense but, gambling platforms never force anyone to play on their sites, so I don't think it is possible to make their house edge zero unless they are willing to be bankrupt. That's why wealthy people are the only one who are mostly seen in online casinos even in physical casinos because they can afford to lose money without blaming the casino for their addiction or losing of money.

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Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 04:02:52 AM

Everything is possible !
To casino , everybody knows the biggest problem is new players, why? Because they make too much money!

If i creat a new online gambling website , i will do it !

If you manage to create a casino that doesn't charge house edge and has a rules in favor with players, Feel free to notify us so that we can support you and share us your money. I knew some project casino before that offer 0% house edge. I think it's edgeless, I don't know what happened to them since it's way back 2017 to 2018 but as you can see, They are not popular anymore and probably dead despite they offer what you suggest.

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Quote from: jossiel on May 06, 2022, 08:10:46 AM

Go for a 0% house edge and you'll eventually be going to adjust to a likelihood of 0.1%.

A casino is a business and as an owner, you'll have to take a share from the operation that you'll do unless you want to run a charity out of it. Taking a percentage from the winner's profit on top of the house edge, you'll just push customers away.

So, you think 0%edge and take winner’s profit is not good idea, even its more fair and cheap fees than 1%~2.5%edge

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Go for a 0% house edge and you'll eventually be going to adjust to a likelihood of 0.1%.

A casino is a business and as an owner, you'll have to take a share from the operation that you'll do unless you want to run a charity out of it. Taking a percentage from the winner's profit on top of the house edge, you'll just push customers away.

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Usually casinos always and always got winning percentage over the customer.

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Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 04:02:52 AM

Everything is possible !
To casino , everybody knows the biggest problem is new players, why? Because they make too much money!

If i creat a new online gambling website , i will do it !

Thing is, that's your opinion, and you certainly ain't the owner of the various casinos out there. Businesses don't look at things in the short term, having a lack of players in the early stage certainly isn't a problem for them since the plans they've made take such situations into account. Given enough time, most casinos would grow to a level enough to actually pay back the losses (and probably more) that they lost early on when the player count was low.

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It is impossible for business minded companies. If you are going to create a gambling casino that is like that I am sure that your business won't take long and you will be either not taking any profit from it or will be in debt.

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You are looking for a charity and not a Casino. House edge gives the casino a fixed profit for there operational cost and other expenses just to maintain the casino running. House edge percentage is very small that can affect your profitability. You are suggesting a more favorable terms for players as if casino doesn't any operational expenses for running there website. The idea is good for the players sake but it's not feasible for a business to operate just like that.
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Everything is possible !
To casino , everybody knows the biggest problem is new players, why? Because they make too much money!

If i creat a new online gambling website , i will do it !

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Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 03:15:41 AM

Quote from: dothebeats on May 06, 2022, 03:08:14 AM

Two things: casino will go bust or casino will die due to lack of players. Why take a share of the winnings of the players if you already have some house-edge setup? Your casino operators are not the government to tax players of their gains lol. They shouldn't be collecting a share of the players' wins just to make some profit. A very bad business model I should say. The casino will go bust very easily and the players will not be attracted to play at all.

I have said , the house-edge could change to zero!
To me, i would rather to play crash for 10 minutes everyday , whatever win or Lose.
So if i bet 100usd every time , its mean i pay 1usd to casino,
But i know i just want to play 10mins , could i play a real 0 edge fair game ?
If i win , i like to pay 1%-5% profits to casino as the service fee or just tips?

You are looking for a charity and not a Casino. House edge gives the casino a fixed profit for there operational cost and other expenses just to maintain the casino running. House edge percentage is very small that can affect your profitability. You are suggesting a more favorable terms for players as if casino doesn't any operational expenses for running there website. The idea is good for the players sake but it's not feasible for a business to operate just like that.

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I don't think that's how casino works, usually it would works on their favor and not on the players so don't expect it to happen since it is business and they wouldn't risk that kind of thing for you so it is either you get used to it or don't play on those gambling sites at all.

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Quote from: dothebeats on May 06, 2022, 03:08:14 AM

Two things: casino will go bust or casino will die due to lack of players. Why take a share of the winnings of the players if you already have some house-edge setup? Your casino operators are not the government to tax players of their gains lol. They shouldn't be collecting a share of the players' wins just to make some profit. A very bad business model I should say. The casino will go bust very easily and the players will not be attracted to play at all.

I have said , the house-edge could change to zero!
To me, i would rather to play crash for 10 minutes everyday , whatever win or Lose.
So if i bet 100usd every time , its mean i pay 1usd to casino,
But i know i just want to play 10mins , could i play a real 0 edge fair game ?
If i win , i like to pay 1%-5% profits to casino as the service fee or just tips?

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Two things: casino will go bust or casino will die due to lack of players. Why take a share of the winnings of the players if you already have some house-edge setup? Your casino operators are not the government to tax players of their gains lol. They shouldn't be collecting a share of the players' wins just to make some profit. A very bad business model I should say. The casino will go bust very easily and the players will not be attracted to play at all.

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Quote from: zidanw on May 06, 2022, 02:44:11 AM

Since it is a different type of game and unlike rooms where every room has its own limits in betting the crash game doesn't have and it is a community game where all people can place bet on the same round and about the 1% I am not sure only the gambling owners or game providers can answer that but I am sure that they will not as they will not earn profit for that.

we don’t need them to answer this question , if this way is available, players will change them!

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Since it is a different type of game and unlike rooms where every room has its own limits in betting the crash game doesn't have and it is a community game where all people can place bet on the same round and about the 1% I am not sure only the gambling owners or game providers can answer that but I am sure that they will not as they will not earn profit for that.

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Quote from: VanityWallets2015 on May 06, 2022, 01:19:10 AM

Are you really referring to crash game? as most crash games are running 24/7 and the owners cannot control the game time of the game and I think you are referring to something like a PVP game I am not sure why but I understand the concept of charging the winner a certain percentage as gambling site's profit.

1: Yes it’s running 24/7, but only one choice , its not like living game, like baccarat，we can choose different room,
Why crash don’t do like that? As player , you don’t want more different room to choose?

2: if as casino, i know 1% profit from every bet is good, but its possible to reduce ，right？

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Are you really referring to crash game? as most crash games are running 24/7 and the owners cannot control the game time of the game and I think you are referring to something like a PVP game I am not sure why but I understand the concept of charging the winner a certain percentage as gambling site's profit.

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1:We all know it’s house edge :1%
2:This game you access any gambling website , its always auto run there .

How to change it ? Or could we change it different?

1: we make the house edge 0% or just 0.1%?
Could we change the house edge or not? In my experience i think its gone be ok!

2:How to make money as the casino owner?
First , you can control the game time！
you could choose to open a new game anytime，and control the game time like 30mins or 1hour， why do that？ you could take the winner profits 1～5% as fee
its like， i join your game room ，play the crash，the game is 0 edge to me but just in 30mins or 1hour，i don’t know i will win or not , if i win , maybe 100 usd, i will pay u 1~5 usd as fee , i think its ok , If i lose 100usd,i think the game is fair to me , i just lose to the 0 edge game, that ok right?

3: if as a player , you think its not fair about the hash , you could choose to different seeds game room

I just want know the calculation of these new ways ，good or not？

thanks everyone‘s answers！

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