Topic: Create a level above Legendary (Read 449 times)

Well i agree with OP's suggestion since the legendary rank is very common now but, i think the required merit to obtain the rank, 2500 merits is very high and unobtainable since Merit are not easy to obtain, you have to do what theymos do to reach the new rank since he is the top merited user with 2500+ merits i suggest that you should lower the merit requirement around 1500 and the activity required is 2000 but i agree the mythical is higher than legendary.

Introducing a bugatti veyron rank based on activity (somewhere between 1840-2000?) could be understood but creating a rank based only on merit is a little bit messy.
No one could judge the merit system until most active/generous people run out of smerit (<25%? after excluding sources) which could happens in the next few months-1 year? from now if the chosen ones aren't that many to cover all the section.
Making a calculation based on the first month is biased..

As I have said before I think there should be a new rank as Legendary is becoming far too common now, but I think the ranking system should just follow the current activity pattern that we have that doubles with each one and Legendary should become fixed instead of random:

Sr. Member:   Activity: 240   
Hero Member:   Activity: 480
Legendary Member: Activity: 960
Mythical/Lamborghini/Whatever Member: Activity: 1920

Some sort of additional 'Sage' rank or title could be considered for achieving a high level of merit as well which maybe comes with an additional perk or two. You could of course also make the Mythical/Lamborghini/Whatever Member rank require some number of merit to achieve as well.


I like Sage.


noun
1.
a profoundly wise person; a person famed for wisdom.
2.
someone venerated for the possession of wisdom, judgment, and experience.

How about Saint Peter?

Something good will happen to you in life soon, my friend.   

I think Mythical is a great name. 

Another good name would be Fabled.

Or a LAMP - Legendary Awarded Merit Points.

a new level based on Merits would be an awesome idea, it should be solely based on merits earnt and not what we were given. so say 1K merits earnt is the threshold and any member rank gets the new rank when it hits..

maybe call it a merit legend!

An even better idea than this "Mythic Level". Let's have an "Unranked" MMR system whereby new posters are not allocated a rank for 10 posts. After 10 posts, they are awarded a rank, even up to Legendary, depending upon the merit they received for their 10 posts.

Well, that was half a joke, since we both play too many MOBAs it seems. Actually.. is the idea that bad?

Rules can change over time, but by now I think there is no demand for new rank which is above Ledgandary. As God said, it might be taken into consideration in the future (3 or 6 months since now, I guess).
After having new rank, rewards for campaigns allocated for each member rank will change.
Keep contributing and some days you will be Above Ledgandary rank.

So you used two data points (Full Member/Senior Member) when you could have used three   (250, 500, 1000).  It's very likely the next number will be 2000.

So tell me, how many members have 2000 merit?  Only one - Theymos.

Is he going to introduce a group to make himself the exclusive member and infer that we are not as good as him?  

I would predict that a new group will not be announced until there are several/many members in it.  So I wouldn't hold your breath.

I have three points to contribute to discussion of the topic.

1. You are right. In real world, legends will be remember forever. That is original definition of the word "Legend"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legend
"Legends may be transformed over time, in order to keep them fresh and vital, and realistic."
Legend is ever-lasting ones, so no need to have new rank above Ledgendary position in our forum.

2. Furthermore, if users are not knowledgable enough, new rank requirements ane merit system will take them years to move up to Ledgendary rank  . That is another point should be taken into consideration when thinking about new, higher rank than Ledgendary.
3. Final point is, which priveledges higher-than-Ledgendary rank will have? By now, Hero and Ledgendary ranks have same rewards on signature campaigns, bounties, airdrops. And if we have higher-than-Ledgendary rank, will they have same rights/ rewards as Hero and Ledgendary ones, too?
That sounds likely weird, un-realistic idea, personally.

tomahawk,

What do you think of the merit system?

I only ask because you have not sent a single merit since it was implemented.

3 of your 4 received merits are discussing a soccer coach, not related  to bitcoin or the forum (unless betting, which I did not look).

So, while I feel your hatred, I'll just ignore it until you make an effort.

This is not a forum about essay and literature writing. You don't simply take contribution from untrustworthy people in real life why would we take that matters lightly here.
Bitcoin Gold team hire untrustworthy people causing USD3 million worth of BTC stolen

Thanks Vod, I fixed my typo.

As a Full Member I got 100 merits, and have to go to 250 to get Senior Member, a 2.5 multiplier, I applied it here, Legendary is 1000, Mythical (or whatever) would be 2500.

edit: but 2000 would work, the first rank up would be in about 4 months

I think it depends on the negative feedback of one account because i see some account who have red tagged continue contributing in this forum, they share some good thoughts and answers some question of newbies that is why they deserve merit if someone gives to them. But if the account had history of scamming i think their is no such reason to give them a merit.

Have you seen the most merited thread on this forum?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/merit-new-rank-requirements-2818350

Why would Theymos (that is how you spell his name) not follow his pattern and go to 2,000 merit?   

Trust : those who merit negative trust people should not be given mythical merits & rank or any merits at all, they are as evil as the scammer, helping scammer ranking up not only abusing the merits system, will cause other people to get scammed

I think 2500 is achievable for a legendary in less than 8 months

theymos can do it today, he has 2594, the person just under him has gained  686 so far this month.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topusersat

There are currently 50 people that have gained 151 or more merits in the last month

Adding another rank will split the active legendaries from those that got the status by merely being here for a long time.

That's one really long sentence you've got there.



Well it means that they have lots of experience? Like lots of it. Why? You need some?

No way? Really? I'm not buying it.



Probably means that they've become legendary rank because there was no merit system before, so they just had to post and wait. Tho that time "momentum" lasted for a few years.


lol Yeah, there is a book like this in the deepest dungeons of this forum. I'm preparing a party of humans, dwarves and elves to go explore the dungeons and, hopefully, find the Book of Knowledge. First tho, we'll have to pay a visit to the Grand Wizard Theymos to share his wisdom with us before out journey. btw the book of knowledge gives you only +10 intellect and +5 spirit, noting that special tbh.


But seriously, there's absolutely no need for a new rank. Why? Because with the new merit system, getting ranks will be way, way slower and the number of people becoming legendary rank will be far significantly lower than it was before.

But Legends always seem to be misquoted.

Heroes are forgotten every day.  Legends are remembered forever.

I must be a bit strange, but I think Hero sounds better than Legendary.

More account sells, farming and scarcity of merit.
NO

good point. If OP needs those to keep his interest then he joined the forum for the wrong reasons.
bitcointalk... not bitcoin games or anything that need competition or goal to achieve
this forum purpose it to provide place for people to discuss and/or learn anything related to bitcoin.

What the use? As their current rank they can demote others with the same level as their's.
They can monitor others and function the same as what are their current rank right now.
I think no need for that kind of rank.

Are you playing mobile legend or something with mythic rank? 😂

why should the rest of the users care about what legendary members do? if legendaries want to "turn their energy to other distractions" then tha's their problem, who cares?

Experience on what? what do you mean by this?
 
do you consider posting in this forum as something like a job?

"time momentum", what does that even mean? And why do we need legendary members to be "leaders"? this is a forum, not an organization or group that requires leadership.

I see, so legendary members will serve as role models (lol), and they'll have this Book of Knowledge where people will read their merited posts to discover knowledge and wisdom about something...yeah, I don't know why but you're putting way too much importance on legendary members and their posts.

Are you asking theymos to create a rank for himself, alone?
Another thing, the point of the Merit system is to limit shitposting, if legendary members will compete to have this silly requirement then low rankers could whine moar!
Third, make a list of trusted members and the ones that give the information you need and follow them, legendary doesn't mean that he isn't a scammer nor a trustworthy person... A low rank guy could help the community by far comparing to half of the high ranked members...

We are still testing Merit system.

The current merit system has it's hole, people are lacking it's use-case. Improvising it will take much longer time (May be). Bringing a new direction on the table may make the entire system a mess. Plus I wonder why do you need another rank? What is the use case?

PS: The idea of Merit system itself is working great. We see people are more focused on creating good contents rather than posting shits.

A new rank, with a merit award requirement, might help this situation, as the people with the largest bank of merits would have to distribute to 'level up'.


But

You have to help yourself by writing something that is not filler, spam or junk.

That is a good idea somehow but my opinion before that we need a clear path to go legendary for even newbies who working hard.but with the merit system a person who working hard can not earn merit and up their forum ranks no one give merits for good posts and some shitposts have bunch of merits soo we need a great solution for motivate who try to do good thing in forum in any rank

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theymos,

Please create a level above Legendary.

My vote would be to call it Mythical.

Why:
-   Legendaries are bright, energetic, experienced (quirky, opinionated) people, if they don’t have something to work to, they will turn their energy to other distractions
-   Legendaries have a lot of experience, a new level will help pull that out.
-   Its human nature to compete
-   I have found people need to be motivated to perform best
-   Everyone needs a goal to work to
-   A lot of legendaries exist simply because of time momentum, this will bring out true leaders
-   Merited post of legendaries could be used to create a BOK (Book of Knowledge)
-   Their merited posts would serve as models to lower ranks

Requirements
-   Merit required 2500 total
-   No added activity requirements (then it’s all about quality, not quantity)
-   No automatic level up. Once hitting the required merit, it should be voted on by a panel created by Theymos
-   No ‘race to the top’.  No more than 10 merits allowed from one account to another per month
-   No merit awarded for work previous to February 1, 2018 would count in the 1500 new merits (legendaries already received 1000 merits for that work, the new rank would be forward looking)
-   Leveling up to Mythical is a privilege that you need to work to. Smerits are meant to be spent.   Encouraging ‘merit-worthy’ posts is part of the ‘job’ of a Mythical. As such, if a legendary has not awarded a minimum number of merits per month, the remaining amount should be deducted from accumulated Mythical merit. (Sort of like a signature campaign, you want Mythical, you work for it)
-   Minimum merits never drop below the 1000 historical merits awarded
-   If the average user (me) has to use a dictionary, no merits awarded for that post (nullius) (just kidding)

Logistics
-   Might need a second merit tracker for Legendary only: Mythical Merits
-   Would need a page to show the top 10 in the ‘race’ and links to their merited posts

Questions
-   What to do about negative trust, related or not. (my take is the panel would judge)