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Quote from: justdimin on June 24, 2022, 04:36:42 PM

...If I buy something at 100 bucks, and sell at 200 bucks, why would I call it a loss if it was 50 bucks for a while in between? This is what's going on with them, it is not a loss, they are holding, and they will make a profit from it, hence why it's not a loss. If they end up selling it now, for a loss, that would be a loss and I would totally understand that and would make sense, but they are not selling at all.

If you buy something for $100 and then its price drops to $50, and then another 2 times, will you still consider your position profitable? It is possible that the price will recover in a few years, but you cannot be sure that this will actually happen. It is possible that the same thing will happen to your coin that happened to Luna and you will completely lose your money.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on June 17, 2022, 11:56:45 AM

To be honest, we're in the season where the study of the market and strategy will mostly provide negative results because experience traders are also making a huge loss,

You will have losses only if you bought coins at high for your entire deposit and continue to hold them. This tactic brings profit only in the bull market, but if the market has changed to bearish, be prepared for the fact that every day your deposit will become smaller and smaller.

Still depends on the coin because if the coin that you buy at highs are btc then chances are that this coin can continue to rise but if ever it dumps then just don't panic and continue hodling till it bounce back at a much higher rate.

This tactic actually works better on this season (bear) because the high that we consider right now is not really high as what we call when the market is in bull so there is a big possibility for the value to just increase rather than to go down but in times of a bull the price is already at their highest so they will now start to fall. In a bear situation like this, not all the times the market just declines but there are also days where it recovers.

Bitcoin is the main trend setter which its not really that surprising that any altcoins in the market would really be pulled down on where it would be heading.Therefore, if you have diversified your assets on certain altcoins then if the trend changes from bullish to bearish then you would really be seeing significant changes and differences in between prices which is something really that a standard.
As an investor then the main thing you would be thinking about is whether you do sell in profits even if its less or securing it out or would really be waiting for the dip for you to be able to
accumulate cheaper coins.Losses are inevitable thats why the best thing to be done is to mind off on how to make profits for you on at least patching up those losses somehow.
Outcomes could really be totally different from time to time basing on some factors along the way.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on June 21, 2022, 01:31:41 PM

I believe you don't understand something if the market changed to total bearish, the drop in value of Bitcoin bought at the ATH price still doesn't mean investors which choose to hold are making losses.
Yes, it may sound complicated but people only make losses if invested in Bitcoin and choose to sell at a lost price because the market will always make a new ATH price after halving why not hold till that time before selling.
Technically, if investors choose to hold till next the ATH market is not going to make a loss.

A loss remains a loss, no matter how you interpret it. It is in the "losses" column that this amount is indicated in the report of major holders of MicroStrategy and Tesla, which currently reach $ 1.5 billion and $ 500 million, respectively. Yes, indeed, this loss may eventually change to profit, but no one knows how long it will take. And in general, there is no guarantee that any coin can reach its ATH after correction, and there are a lot of confirmations for this.

A loss is not a loss, this isn't a loss, that's the thing. I mean if you want to call it a loss then go ahead and do that and nobody would stop you, but something that you made a profit from, can't be considered a loss just because it wasn't making you a profit until you did.

If I buy something at 100 bucks, and sell at 200 bucks, why would I call it a loss if it was 50 bucks for a while in between? This is what's going on with them, it is not a loss, they are holding, and they will make a profit from it, hence why it's not a loss. If they end up selling it now, for a loss, that would be a loss and I would totally understand that and would make sense, but they are not selling at all.

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Quote from: Mpamaegbu on June 20, 2022, 03:40:02 PM

Even at that, all you mentioned can't absolve anyone of losses. Losing is a part and parcel of trading. It's a business cousin to winning, so to speak.

Loss is gain in trading. It's just that traders don't actually like learning from losses and invariably fail to see the gain in a loss. Whenever you lose in trades, go back to your trading plan and rejig it to know what must've gone wrong. Don't see loss as failure. See it as learning lesson.

I think that a great deal of the crippling losses traders suffer come from the mistaken ideas they have about the markets, they seem to really expect to win all the time and not suffer any losses, and when the do they do not know how to deal with it, if they did so and accepted that losing is part of the price they need to pay in order to win big in this market then they will concentrate a lot more in the process, which is more important as you can do everything right and still lose a trade as the market turns against your prediction almost immediately after you open your position, and this cannot be considered a mistake as you took the best decision available with the information you had at the time, so unless traders can develop such a pragmatic view of the markets they will keep suffering crippling losses from time to time.

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Quote from: Robert518 on June 17, 2022, 08:54:08 AM

How can crippling losses be avoided?

Here may be from personal experiences:
- Learn and understand optimally before investing or trading
- Prepare ourselves to be ready, in this case, ready of anything: the fund, emotion, management controls.
- Do not use borrowed money to invest
- Only use free money that we can afford to lose
- Define yourself as a trader, short-term investor, or long-term holder. Because this will affect the strategy we use
- Don't get involved with projects that rely solely on hype or FOMO
- If you have already lost, apply a long-term holding mindset

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Quote from: tvplus006 on June 20, 2022, 09:12:10 AM

Quote from: suzanne5223 on June 17, 2022, 11:56:45 AM

To be honest, we're in the season where the study of the market and strategy will mostly provide negative results because experience traders are also making a huge loss,

You will have losses only if you bought coins at high for your entire deposit and continue to hold them. This tactic brings profit only in the bull market, but if the market has changed to bearish, be prepared for the fact that every day your deposit will become smaller and smaller.

Still depends on the coin because if the coin that you buy at highs are btc then chances are that this coin can continue to rise but if ever it dumps then just don't panic and continue hodling till it bounce back at a much higher rate.

This tactic actually works better on this season (bear) because the high that we consider right now is not really high as what we call when the market is in bull so there is a big possibility for the value to just increase rather than to go down but in times of a bull the price is already at their highest so they will now start to fall. In a bear situation like this, not all the times the market just declines but there are also days where it recovers.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on June 21, 2022, 01:31:41 PM

I believe you don't understand something if the market changed to total bearish, the drop in value of Bitcoin bought at the ATH price still doesn't mean investors which choose to hold are making losses.
Yes, it may sound complicated but people only make losses if invested in Bitcoin and choose to sell at a lost price because the market will always make a new ATH price after halving why not hold till that time before selling.
Technically, if investors choose to hold till next the ATH market is not going to make a loss.

A loss remains a loss, no matter how you interpret it. It is in the "losses" column that this amount is indicated in the report of major holders of MicroStrategy and Tesla, which currently reach $ 1.5 billion and $ 500 million, respectively. Yes, indeed, this loss may eventually change to profit, but no one knows how long it will take. And in general, there is no guarantee that any coin can reach its ATH after correction, and there are a lot of confirmations for this.

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Practice makes a man perfect and practice makes a trader better. How you practice is the key here.
You have to keep trying different techniques and strategies with lower amounts and this will improvise your efficiency at trading.
Once you improve enough then the game is just about the quantity. The profits you earn will keep growing then onwards.

I agree with you, because the more you practice what you have learned, the more you understand the best way to achieve what you want at the moment. Now that the price of coins has dropped down, it will be better for you to take the advantage to use amount of money to buy coins and hold to be part of those that will make a huge amount of profits when the bearish market switch to bullish market. Never allow people mistakes to draw you back than to learn from people mistakes to move forward to achieve your goals.

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Quote from: Robert518 on June 17, 2022, 08:54:08 AM

How can crippling losses be avoided?

Losses can be avoided when you understand the market strategies, to avoid losses you don't need to trade without having the basic knowledge and informations. I will advise you not to trade without making property research and analysis else you will lose all you have.To be on the safer side, trade with experience, not emotions because emotions will lead you to abnormal losses, and don't forget to trade with an amount you are willing to loose.

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It is difficult to avoid losses completely in crypto trading, not even the most experienced trader in this field can make all his trades profitable without any loss, but you can reduce losses by managing your capital well, first of all do not risk all your capital But only a part of it, secondly, invest the largest part of the capital dedicated to trading in bitcoin and coins that have proven their presence in the market for a long time, such as ethereum, third: you can risk a small part of your capital dedicated to trading in short and quick deals of some shitcoin or A meme that can make quick profits but don't keep them for long because it has a high risk.

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Quote from: tvplus006 on June 20, 2022, 09:12:10 AM

Quote from: suzanne5223 on June 17, 2022, 11:56:45 AM

To be honest, we're in the season where the study of the market and strategy will mostly provide negative results because experience traders are also making a huge loss,

You will have losses only if you bought coins at high for your entire deposit and continue to hold them. This tactic brings profit only in the bull market, but if the market has changed to bearish, be prepared for the fact that every day your deposit will become smaller and smaller.

I believe you don't understand something if the market changed to total bearish, the drop in value of Bitcoin bought at the ATH price still doesn't mean investors which choose to hold are making losses.
Yes, it may sound complicated but people only make losses if invested in Bitcoin and choose to sell at a lost price because the market will always make a new ATH price after halving why not hold till that time before selling.
Technically, if investors choose to hold till next the ATH market is not going to make a loss.

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Quote from: Robert518 on June 17, 2022, 08:54:08 AM

How can crippling losses be avoided?

Embrace your losses mate and improve on your analysis and trading tools. The truth remains losses are unavoidable but they can be reduced by ensuring you follow the trend.

Look out for good entry points and never be in a hurry to join a trend. You should be able to comfortably answer some technical questions like:

Is the trade worth joining
How much are you expecting to gain from the trade
How much are you willing to lose
When to exit the trade

All i listed might not avoid losses completely but it will help checkmate the loss to reduce it to it's minimal

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Quote from: mk4 on June 17, 2022, 09:50:33 AM

1. Practice with virtual portfolios first for a while
2. Use smaller allocations per trade so you have more runway even if you get consecutive losses
3. Think about your trades really well first before pulling the trigger
4. Don't trade

Pick one.

Even at that, all you mentioned can't absolve anyone of losses. Losing is a part and parcel of trading. It's a business cousin to winning, so to speak.

Loss is gain in trading. It's just that traders don't actually like learning from losses and invariably fail to see the gain in a loss. Whenever you lose in trades, go back to your trading plan and rejig it to know what must've gone wrong. Don't see loss as failure. See it as learning lesson.

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Quote from: Robert518 on June 17, 2022, 08:54:08 AM

How can crippling losses be avoided?

Losses are unavoidable but crippling losses are in fact avoidable as long as you have a good money management strategy and you follow the strategy no matter what, however it is not something easy to do, after all if it was in fact easy then we would not see the countless cases of people losing almost everything after just a few months of trading, so I think a good approach would be to trade at first with a demo account, then use 10% of your capital, and if you see that things are going well then you can finally use all your capital to trade.

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Quote from: Robert518 on June 17, 2022, 08:54:08 AM

How can crippling losses be avoided?

Stop-Loss.

Its extremely handy to save us from huge loss and almost all the exchanges have such feature so you can decide the limit which your asset don't want to go beyond that can be set so the trade will be executed once it reaches that value.

Yes I agree with you on this, this can help to reduce losses in trading at any given time, the feature are there but most traders don't remember to apply it because they see trading as gambling. Once you set your stop-loss in every trade your in, you won't lose beyond that limit you set and you can start a new trade when you think is going to be favorable to you, so you wanna atop huge losses that all you need to do.

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To avoid crippling losses learn the trend, trade with the trend, avoid joining a trade when the price has moved quite far always target a retracement to place a trade and lastly trade with fellow traders never analyze the market alone because most times emotions and greed could set in. Learn to make profit in both trends

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Practice makes a man perfect and practice makes a trader better. How you practice is the key here.
You have to keep trying different techniques and strategies with lower amounts and this will improvise your efficiency at trading.
Once you improve enough then the game is just about the quantity. The profits you earn will keep growing then onwards.

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I would say that averaging your entry points is the only way. That way you are not buying something with all of your money, you are buying it from a situation that ended up with a drop and you got some there too and then some more drop and you got some more hence the price would go down a lot.

This is why I care a lot about the current market, because it means I could make a lot of profit by buying from here, and then I could wait months or even years and then sell it for a high profit. Many people will miss that, they will WISH that they bought it, and I will be counting my profits when they are regretting, so there is nothing wrong with dropping prices, you can wait and not have any losses at all.

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Quote from: tvplus006 on June 20, 2022, 09:12:10 AM

You will have losses only if you bought coins at high for your entire deposit and continue to hold them. This tactic brings profit only in the bull market,

I would not say for sure. Considering that newbies entering the market is always at the peak of bull market, they end up buying at all time high and dont think of selling at all. They will end up with a huge loss once the market turns over. The buying level should be clear and pre-calculated, doing this in a rush is a worst mistake that one can do to ruin their future cryptocurrency experience.

While there will be people making profit from the bull run even when buying at the top, this number is usually low. Most people will buy at low and then sell at high in the ideal scenario. Of course failing to do so will lead to crippling losses, specially since a lot of users take loans to buy bitcoin.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on June 17, 2022, 11:56:45 AM

To be honest, we're in the season where the study of the market and strategy will mostly provide negative results because experience traders are also making a huge loss,

You will have losses only if you bought coins at high for your entire deposit and continue to hold them. This tactic brings profit only in the bull market, but if the market has changed to bearish, be prepared for the fact that every day your deposit will become smaller and smaller.

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Quote from: Robert518 on June 17, 2022, 08:54:08 AM

How can crippling losses be avoided?

Not to trade is sometimes a good trade.
I believe that not all the times are good to trade, there are times that the market is ugly and even you short or long is not a good idea so it is better to wait for a good entry.

Another thing is you should preserve your capital, not chasing your losses will help you to do it, there are lot of good entry opportunity in the future as long as you still have your capital.

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From all the points above you must have gotten some learning’s. In addition to them always remember back of the mind regarding the volatility issues of this market. The market is wavy ocean, lot of tornadoes along the way and darker than black nights!

Might seem dram or play lines but that’s how stuff works in the crypto circle. It’s harsh here, there is no one to scold if you lost your money and no one to blame for its recovery. Just take current example of the market, peeps loosing huge sum of money but it’s upto them now either to keep it or leave it.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on June 18, 2022, 03:22:29 AM

Quote from: Robert518 on June 17, 2022, 08:54:08 AM

How can crippling losses be avoided?

Stop-Loss.

Its extremely handy to save us from huge loss and almost all the exchanges have such feature so you can decide the limit which your asset don't want to go beyond that can be set so the trade will be executed once it reaches that value.

Cripple loses question depend on whether you mean trading that is on going or you mean if you have been making losses consistently. I want to go on answering you with ongoing trade first. If your trading is gradually in lost, then exit the trade and have your peace.

Another point if you are making consistent or crippling loses you need to study your strategy and reduce your risk taking. This reinforces the use of stop loss because if you are using the stop loss technique, you won't have to encounter that losses that will gradually and consistently eat up your investment.

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Quote from: Dollar_Hunter on June 18, 2022, 03:49:01 AM

the way is very easy if we are not greedy, because greedy traders and investors will experience more losses when the bear market comes,
the bear market in crypto is very different in the stock market, in the crypto market we will see -90% on each coin,
and that's true -true happens, but in stock market maybe -30% is worst

It must be shitcoins since you said the price is decrease -90% e.g. UST and LUNA, the crash on Bitcoin history never reach -90%, the highest is 80% on 2018 and it's not a sudden change like a day or a week. Stock is controlled by the financial institutes which have limit down that every stock can't increase or decrease higher than the limit (around 5-7%/day). It do prevent from panic, but Bitcoin enthusiast doesn't like a third party who can control anything.

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Quote from: Robert518 on June 17, 2022, 08:54:08 AM

How can crippling losses be avoided?

the way is very easy if we are not greedy, because greedy traders and investors will experience more losses when the bear market comes,
the bear market in crypto is very different in the stock market, in the crypto market we will see -90% on each coin,
and that's true -true happens, but in stock market maybe -30% is worst

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Quote from: Robert518 on June 17, 2022, 08:54:08 AM

How can crippling losses be avoided?

The only advice I can give is to be responsible on the money you'll invest in this too volatile market and always look at the long term potential it could have. That will make your life easier and not feel you've been crippled in your tangible life. Bitcoin and the overall market bounce stronger historically, so, it doesn't matter if are ahead from the rest.

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Quote from: Robert518 on June 17, 2022, 08:54:08 AM

How can crippling losses be avoided?

Stop-Loss.

Its extremely handy to save us from huge loss and almost all the exchanges have such feature so you can decide the limit which your asset don't want to go beyond that can be set so the trade will be executed once it reaches that value.

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Quote from: cabron on June 17, 2022, 12:07:24 PM

Dont DCA when the trend is nlt in the DCAing trend. Bear market is not a good time for DCAing.

DCA is mostly used by people that just realize that they can't time the market, and that they'll just continue to buy in consistently regardless of market sentiment. Not DCA-ing in times of bear markets but only in bull/ranging markets is quite an absurd strategy if you ask me.

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It can't be avoided but you can minimize it.

Even the long term traders and holders, we can't skip losing due to the trend that we have which is the bear market. To minimize your losses, ask yourself what actually is your plan with the market.

Are you willing to stay for long and you're okay to see that the growth might not be quick as what you're thinking? Are you okay to be patient and watch your portfolio grow over time gradually?

Well, if it's a yes, the only thing you need to do is to make a choice of what you're going to buy. This is where the big factor comes like if you're buying random shitcoins out there, you're unsure of the return of it. You might get lucky or you go home rekt.

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Dont DCA when the trend is nlt in the DCAing trend. Bear market is not a good time for DCAing.
Crippling loss sounds like you put all in your savings to BTC while bears are wining the market.

Also don't forget to sell when its time to sell. The indicators don't lie so when you see that the BTC is over bought which had reached its All time High, get out because its time. Don't chase it if you see it bounce up.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on June 17, 2022, 11:56:45 AM

To be honest, we're in the season where the study of the market and strategy will mostly provide negative results because experience traders are also making a huge loss,

Just a heads up that shorting (and with leverage as well) exists, hence actual experienced traders can make a lot more money even in huge drawdowns like the one we're having right now. If you're an actual experienced trader and you can only make money in bull markets, are you really an 'experienced' trader?

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Quote from: Robert518 on June 17, 2022, 08:54:08 AM

How can crippling losses be avoided?

Cripple loses question depend on whether you mean trading that is on going or you mean if you have been making losses consistently. I want to go on answering you with ongoing trade first. If your trading is gradually in lost, then exit the trade and have your peace.

Another point if you are making consistent or crippling loses you need to study your strategy and reduce your risk taking.

To be honest, we're in the season where the study of the market and strategy will mostly provide negative results because experience traders are also making a huge loss, and the best way to make peace is to stop trading and move to the old crypto investment style of accumulation and sell when the market rise. However, if this also shows no positive result the best thing is to just accumulate the dip using the DCA.

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Quote from: Robert518 on June 17, 2022, 08:54:08 AM

How can crippling losses be avoided?

A loss can cripple a trader if and only if volume traded is more than the amount the trader can afford to lose. Now we all keep telling each other to not invest more than we can afford to lose, but it reality nobody listens to this statement and everyone puts all in whenever the market goes down.

Again if you bought in the bull market then of course the bear market will cripple your investment - that is obviously the wrong way to invest.

In other words, there are methods to prevent a loss that can do sizeable impact on your portfolio.
-Invest only in bitcoin under the "crypto" umbrella.
-10% of your allocation for all sorts of trading to crypto, not more, maybe less.
-Say no to any altcoin out there.
-Diversify, not into altcoins, but into markets other than crypto like stocks, commodities, real estate.

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1. Practice with virtual portfolios first for a while
2. Use smaller allocations per trade so you have more runway even if you get consecutive losses
3. Think about your trades really well first before pulling the trigger
4. Don't trade

Pick one.

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