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February 29, 2024, 07:15:34 PM
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You can’t do arbitrage yourself these days. Only way to do it is with a bot. You can’t compete with the speed and accuracy as a bot which is always live.

Those days where you buy on one exchange and send to another to sell are long gone. They worked for SBF because he did it long ago.

There are sometimes Kimchi premiums but the issue is that you can sell on the Korean exchange but you cannot get the funds out of the country due to capital controls, hence the premium.



Okay when you say bot do you mean code my own bot or sign up to a paid arbitrage bot service? The bot will transfer the crypto (after buying) between different exchanges and each exchange has a bot waiting for the transfer to quickly sell for the arbitrage profit? So there must be several bots that must be involved or can be done by 1 bot and if so how?

Which countries has the highest kimchi premiums for bitcoin but little to no capital controls? If you sell bitcoin in their local currency then the capital controls stop you converting it to your own home currency like $usg, £gbp or euro? So for example I have to live in south korea to keep the kimchi premiums?
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Haha, another one here, these arbitrage opportunity hunters are increasing in numbers haha is there any YouTube or any other social media influencer who is pushing this wave because this can be the 4th arbitrage hunting opportunities thread, I could be wrong bu such threads were not that frequent in the past. Need a huge capital for arbitrage trading and this is one of the reasons that people usually skip this one.

At the same time, such opportunities need quick actions which are also hard to achieve, haha I would like to quote the fellow's words to mention the possible risks.

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Arbitrage with altcoin brings better profits, but it is so high-risk that one trading experience can erase two weeks of profits.
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Modern arbitrage trading is almost always automated trading. In other words, it is carried out by trading bots. And these bots should have an advantage in speed on different trading platforms or administrative privileges, like bots belonging to the exchange itself. I would advise you to abandon this idea and return to classic trading. Still, arbitrage is not really trading or real trading. This is actually a competition between robots from different teams. You can hardly do anything manually. Robots will always have advantages over humans in terms of speed.
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The high volumes of liquidity in Bitcoin trading and the fast trading bots that try to make profits from arbitrage make the opportunity to profit from Bitcoin arbitrage almost impossible.
Take the 20 best platforms in terms of liquidity and you will find that the price of Bitcoin is between $59,100 - $58,900 The difference between the two prices is $200. If we calculate the withdrawal fees and the time it takes to get 1 confirmation, you will definitely not make profits from arbitrage. https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/#Markets

Arbitrage with altcoin brings better profits, but it is so high-risk that one trading experience can erase two weeks of profits.
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You can’t do arbitrage yourself these days. Only way to do it is with a bot. You can’t compete with the speed and accuracy as a bot which is always live.

Those days where you buy on one exchange and send to another to sell are long gone. They worked for SBF because he did it long ago.

There are sometimes Kimchi premiums but the issue is that you can sell on the Korean exchange but you cannot get the funds out of the country due to capital controls, hence the premium.

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Arbitrage trading is for people who can code and have their own trading bots too.
I will not completely agree to this, but people that can code will find it easy to make tools for themselves for arbitrage trading. If you can get a good developers, he can create one for you. Also that you can have some exchanges and noticed price differences in some coins and use the opportunity for arbitraging. I have like 7 exchanges, even with two exchanges, I do notice price differences with some coins on the two exchanges.

Hi yes which 7 exchanges do you use? And does your bot notify you of price differences or how do you scan for them or be notified of them by phone?
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Free tools exist but they are limited in features or accuracy.

Yes, there's a risk during the transfer between exchanges. The speed and cost of transfers can impact the profitability of an arbitrage trade. This is known as execution risk. It's a race against time, especially in fast-moving markets. If the price of the coin on the second exchange changes unfavorably during the transfer time, it could lead to losses.

What about paid/subscription tools?
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Is there like a free scanner/tool to find such opportunities?
No free lunch and if there is a free tool for it, it does not work effectively for your arbitrage trading. Many other traders will have same interest like you, use that tool like you, the market is limited, chance will not be only for you.

Many people join the free lunch hence no free lunch at all.

Arbitrage trading is for people who can code and have their own trading bots too.

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Also does living in a different time zone affect you spotting or being notified of these opportunities?
It does because each cryptocurrency will have different user base and different market makers.

Rather than looking for chance with arbitrage trading, you can wait calmly and patiently for chances to trade in Spot market.

Can I join an arbitrage trading bot service or do I have to code my own?
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Is there like a free scanner/tool to find such opportunities?
The best that you can do is to have the exchanges and check the price differences of the coins and tokens. If you go to TradingView, Coingecko or Coinmarketcap, there are places you will see the price of coins of each exchanges but I do not know how accurate this is but I think TradingView would be good. You can create a bot that can help you to list the exchange price of coins. I am not an arbitrage trader, let us see if someone will post about this.

Also does living in a different time zone affect you spotting or being notified of these opportunities? Usually in what time zones at what times is the crypto market is boring sideways? I am from the UK. I ask because arbitrage trading in a bull market doesn't make sense right?
There is nothing time Zoe has to do with this.

Lastly lets say you buy on 1 exchange and send those coins to another exchange to sell at a higher price. Wont there be a risk that during this transfer that the transfer takes a longer time and is slow and in that time the price could go against you? Isn't it a race against time, arbitrage trading in a sideways or bear market?
It is trading. Trading is risky. So be expecting something like this. I heard that arbitrary trading is not that risky also that you should go for the coins that has fast transaction speeds. But know that no matter how less risky it is, trading is generally risky.

Dex has high trading fees right so arbitrage trading on Dex is not ideal?
Go for the ones with cheaper fee like BSC, Solana, Polygon and some others. You can not do arbitrary with ERC20 because of the high fee. You can also use layer 2 like Optimism.

Which centralized exchanges do you recommend? I'm on CMC & CoinGecko now and lets say for example I buy a coin on exchanges that have the most volume trading volume such as Coinbase or Binance then I find that the same coin is selling at a higher price on a CEX that I never heard before. This CEX has low volume. Shall I take this arbitrage trade? What if this unpopular CEX freezes my account or ask for KYC sensitive docs or even worse scams me and don't let me withdraw my profits?

To avoid CEX risks such as above, which are the top 10 centralized exchanges that have the highest volume on average & have low trading fees? In high volume exchanges, shall I assume high volume means it kills the arbitrage inefficiency of the prices because high volume automatically means efficient market no arbitrage?

So I should only arbitrage trade on altcoins that have the fastest blockchains? What if this limits me on the number of altcoins I can arbitrage trade on and find out the fast altcoins have little arbitrage opportunities?

Which are the best DEX for arbitrage at low fees and high volumes? Are CEX prices more accurate than DEX prices because CEX has more volume?

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Arbitrage trading is for people who can code and have their own trading bots too.
I will not completely agree to this, but people that can code will find it easy to make tools for themselves for arbitrage trading. If you can get a good developers, he can create one for you. Also that you can have some exchanges and noticed price differences in some coins and use the opportunity for arbitraging. I have like 7 exchanges, even with two exchanges, I do notice price differences with some coins on the two exchanges.
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Free tools exist but they are limited in features or accuracy.

Yes, there's a risk during the transfer between exchanges. The speed and cost of transfers can impact the profitability of an arbitrage trade. This is known as execution risk. It's a race against time, especially in fast-moving markets. If the price of the coin on the second exchange changes unfavorably during the transfer time, it could lead to losses.
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Is there like a free scanner/tool to find such opportunities?
No free lunch and if there is a free tool for it, it does not work effectively for your arbitrage trading. Many other traders will have same interest like you, use that tool like you, the market is limited, chance will not be only for you.

Many people join the free lunch hence no free lunch at all.

Arbitrage trading is for people who can code and have their own trading bots too.

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Also does living in a different time zone affect you spotting or being notified of these opportunities?
It does because each cryptocurrency will have different user base and different market makers.

Rather than looking for chance with arbitrage trading, you can wait calmly and patiently for chances to trade in Spot market.
legendary
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1193
Gamble responsibly
Is there like a free scanner/tool to find such opportunities?
The best that you can do is to have the exchanges and check the price differences of the coins and tokens. If you go to TradingView, Coingecko or Coinmarketcap, there are places you will see the price of coins of each exchanges but I do not know how accurate this is but I think TradingView would be good. You can create a bot that can help you to list the exchange price of coins. I am not an arbitrage trader, let us see if someone will post about this.

Also does living in a different time zone affect you spotting or being notified of these opportunities? Usually in what time zones at what times is the crypto market is boring sideways? I am from the UK. I ask because arbitrage trading in a bull market doesn't make sense right?
There is nothing time Zoe has to do with this.

Lastly lets say you buy on 1 exchange and send those coins to another exchange to sell at a higher price. Wont there be a risk that during this transfer that the transfer takes a longer time and is slow and in that time the price could go against you? Isn't it a race against time, arbitrage trading in a sideways or bear market?
It is trading. Trading is risky. So be expecting something like this. I heard that arbitrary trading is not that risky also that you should go for the coins that has fast transaction speeds. But know that no matter how less risky it is, trading is generally risky.

Dex has high trading fees right so arbitrage trading on Dex is not ideal?
Go for the ones with cheaper fee like BSC, Solana, Polygon and some others. You can not do arbitrary with ERC20 because of the high fee. You can also use layer 2 like Optimism.
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Hello,

Is there like a free scanner/tool to find such opportunities?

Also does living in a different time zone affect you spotting or being notified of these opportunities? Usually in what time zones at what times is the crypto market is boring sideways? I am from the UK. I ask because arbitrage trading in a bull market doesn't make sense right?

Lastly lets say you buy on 1 exchange and send those coins to another exchange to sell at a higher price. Wont there be a risk that during this transfer that the transfer takes a longer time and is slow and in that time the price could go against you? Isn't it a race against time, arbitrage trading in a sideways or bear market?

All these famous crypto people like SBF and Roger Ver and many more made their money through Arbitrage trading not trading the charts.

Bitcoin is a efficient market now especially with its spot etf now so there's hardly no arbitrage opportunities left in bitcoin unless someone can prove me wrong?

I'm looking for arbitrage opportunities for altcoins with high marketcaps & high volumes or low marketcaps with high volumes.

Dex has high trading fees right so arbitrage trading on Dex is not ideal?

Yeah looking for arbitrage opportunities with low trading fees.

Thanks,
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