The question is can those who misuse or abuse the so called decentralized Privacy app be identified when necessary? If no then no need to allow the app to continue to exist. If anyone does allow it he/she will be punished.
In regards to donating to Ukraine, who exactly in Ukraine did they donate to? The nazi & those doing things that shouldn't be done in the country? I may consider going after those donating to evil groups in Ukraine.
Topic: Crypto Engineers, Investors Sue US Treasury Over Tornado Cash Sanctions (Read 97 times)
September 14, 2022, 10:33:31 AM
September 14, 2022, 12:35:45 AM
No he doesn't this is just smoke and mirrors and diversionary tactics. He's fighting a case that basically is going to lose, so he looks good while basically risking nothing and in the meanwhile reports data to irs and has already sold them blockchain analytics software; basically meaning he is full of shit, playing both sides and hoping not to get booted by the board. Coinchase at it again.
They deserve criticism for that as well, but let's not act like it's not bound to happen to any centralized custodian; also the fact that we all know that the ledger is public anyway.
If this is just for a PR move, it's a total waste. Most of Coinbase's users don't know what tornado cash or chainalysis even is.
But also, let's not act like the fact that Coinchase sold the irs blockchain analytics software didn't happen. IMHO, this is the most egregious as basically they sold their customers out, privacy be double damned because this was a choice not a mandatory. Industry compliance is one things but aiding the irs for the purpose of making a buck or coin off it is another.
September 14, 2022, 12:18:40 AM
No he doesn't this is just smoke and mirrors and diversionary tactics. He's fighting a case that basically is going to lose, so he looks good while basically risking nothing and in the meanwhile reports data to irs and has already sold them blockchain analytics software; basically meaning he is full of shit, playing both sides and hoping not to get booted by the board. Coinchase at it again.
They deserve criticism for that as well, but let's not act like it's not bound to happen to any centralized custodian; also the fact that we all know that the ledger is public anyway.
If this is just for a PR move, it's a total waste. Most of Coinbase's users don't know what tornado cash or chainalysis even is.
September 13, 2022, 11:43:10 PM
I know Coinbase deserves a lot of criticism for all the fuckery, I applaud Brian Armstrong and Coinbase for this move.
"Law abiding citizens deserve access to privacy, and financial privacy deals with some of our most sensitive data."
https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong/status/1567915956307107841
"Law abiding citizens deserve access to privacy, and financial privacy deals with some of our most sensitive data."
https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong/status/1567915956307107841
No he doesn't this is just smoke and mirrors and diversionary tactics. He's fighting a case that basically is going to lose, so he looks good while basically risking nothing and in the meanwhile reports data to irs and has already sold them blockchain analytics software; basically meaning he is full of shit, playing both sides and hoping not to get booted by the board. Coinchase at it again.
September 13, 2022, 11:33:15 PM
I know Coinbase deserves a lot of criticism for all the fuckery, I applaud Brian Armstrong and Coinbase for this move.
"Law abiding citizens deserve access to privacy, and financial privacy deals with some of our most sensitive data."
https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong/status/1567915956307107841
"Law abiding citizens deserve access to privacy, and financial privacy deals with some of our most sensitive data."
https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong/status/1567915956307107841
September 13, 2022, 10:29:29 PM
Seems like quite an uphill battle since a US belligerent was identified- North Korea. Not sure if there is anyway of knowing, but it seems if North Korea is attaching itself to any crypto privacy, the US is going to target it like a heat seeking guided missile.
September 13, 2022, 07:50:04 PM
They must have a lot of funds in thier wallet being frozen. OFAC is still SEC doing all it can.
Hard to win even if they have the chance because of the argument being laid already, OFAC will just counter like it's their wallets that are sanctioned and not these users. This controversial designation will extend to sanctioning more platforms in the future even the DEX like the UNI.
September 13, 2022, 07:24:01 PM
Did they not prove tornado cash was an entity by sanctioning it?
Most legal entities have to have the ability to write contracts, pay off/serve contracts and be regulatable. The first two may be more clear as it could be described as a company similar to that of a publisher where they hold contracts to compensate a person what they make from people who access their work. And tornado cash is a series of contracts that compensate people for an amount they pay in provided they can provide proof they own it. (I don't know if this comparison is too murky or not).
The freedom of speech point looks like it has much better credibility (but it is the US - they'd have a much better chance waiting to argue that in the Netherlands courts if the devs are sent to trial).
Most legal entities have to have the ability to write contracts, pay off/serve contracts and be regulatable. The first two may be more clear as it could be described as a company similar to that of a publisher where they hold contracts to compensate a person what they make from people who access their work. And tornado cash is a series of contracts that compensate people for an amount they pay in provided they can provide proof they own it. (I don't know if this comparison is too murky or not).
The freedom of speech point looks like it has much better credibility (but it is the US - they'd have a much better chance waiting to argue that in the Netherlands courts if the devs are sent to trial).
September 13, 2022, 06:16:05 PM
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The Treasury’s sanctions watchdog, OFAC, exceeded its authority in blacklisting smart contract wallets, six plaintiffs allege in a new suit.
Six crypto users are suing the U.S. Treasury Department for blacklisting Tornado Cash last month, claiming the department’s sanctions watchdog overstepped its authority in prohibiting all American persons from interacting with the privacy tool.
According to the suit filed in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas, the Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) didn't have the legal right to designate Tornado Cash, which the suit refers to as “a decentralized, open-source software project that restores some privacy for Ethereum users,” as a sanctioned entity because it isn't an entity, person or organization.
OFAC added Tornado Cash’s wallet addresses, including smart wallet addresses, to its Specially Designated Nationals (SDN) list last month, saying the privacy mixer was a key tool for North Korean hackers, who used it to launder crypto stolen from projects like Axie Infinity. The SDN list is made up of blacklisted individuals or companies that are owned by, or are acting on behalf of, countries targeted by OFAC.
The plaintiffs are Coinbase employees Tyler Almeida and Nate Welch, Prysmatic Labs co-founder Preston Van Loon, GridPlus engineer Kevin Vitale, Ethereum proponent and angel investor Alex Fisher and former Amazon engineer Joseph Van Loon. Crypto exchange Coinbase is funding the effort.
Each of the plaintiffs has some ether (ETH) locked in Tornado Cash that he or she used for various legal purposes – including donating to Ukraine and protecting their private wallets from being traceable to their public online identities – but can no longer access because of the OFAC’s sanctions, the suit claims.
Alongside Treasury, the plaintiffs are suing Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen and OFAC Director Andrea Gacki.
The plaintiffs are claiming OFAC violated the Administrative Procedures Act, which dictates how federal agencies must develop and issue regulations, because Tornado Cash isn't property or a foreign national or country, and therefore the sanctions watchdog exceeded its authority.
The filing also claims a violation of the plaintiffs’ First Amendment rights to “engage in important, socially valuable speech.”
Preston Van Loon, Almeida and Welch are also claiming a violation of their Fifth Amendment rights, which protect against self-incrimination, as they didn't receive a notice or any other form of prior process before their ETH was frozen.
As a result, the plaintiffs are calling on the court to “declare that defendants’ designation is null, void, and with no force and effect; declare that defendants’ designation is not in accordance with law; … vacate the designation; permanently enjoin defendants’ and their officers, employees and agents from enforcing, implementing, applying or taking any action whatsoever under, or in reliance on, the designation,” and litigation costs.
Controversial designation
OFAC’s designation of Tornado Cash and its smart wallet addresses has been controversial since it was announced last month.
Crypto think tank Coin Center said in a blog post that this was the first time software, rather than an individual or entity, was added to the SDN list, a point the plaintiffs jumped on.
“Historically, defendants have used their delegated authority to designate individuals, corporations and other entities on the SDN list. For instance, on February 25, 2022, OFAC added Vladimir Putin to the SDN list,” the filing said, referring to the Russian president. “Defendants have also designated Blender.io, a virtual currency mixer … Unlike Tornado Cash, Blender.io is operated under centralized control. Also unlike Tornado Cash, users of Blender.io do not retain custody of particular crypto asset at all times and instead receive randomly ‘mixed’ crypto assets.”
Paul Grewal, Coinbase’s chief legal officer, told CoinDesk that while the exchange has “the utmost respect for Treasury and OFAC … the recent designations of the Tornado Cash smart contracts gave us serious pause.”
The Treasury Department didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.
https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2022/09/08/crypto-engineers-investors-sue-us-treasury-over-tornado-cash-sanctions/
Six crypto users are suing the U.S. Treasury Department for blacklisting Tornado Cash last month, claiming the department’s sanctions watchdog overstepped its authority in prohibiting all American persons from interacting with the privacy tool.
According to the suit filed in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas, the Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) didn't have the legal right to designate Tornado Cash, which the suit refers to as “a decentralized, open-source software project that restores some privacy for Ethereum users,” as a sanctioned entity because it isn't an entity, person or organization.
OFAC added Tornado Cash’s wallet addresses, including smart wallet addresses, to its Specially Designated Nationals (SDN) list last month, saying the privacy mixer was a key tool for North Korean hackers, who used it to launder crypto stolen from projects like Axie Infinity. The SDN list is made up of blacklisted individuals or companies that are owned by, or are acting on behalf of, countries targeted by OFAC.
The plaintiffs are Coinbase employees Tyler Almeida and Nate Welch, Prysmatic Labs co-founder Preston Van Loon, GridPlus engineer Kevin Vitale, Ethereum proponent and angel investor Alex Fisher and former Amazon engineer Joseph Van Loon. Crypto exchange Coinbase is funding the effort.
Each of the plaintiffs has some ether (ETH) locked in Tornado Cash that he or she used for various legal purposes – including donating to Ukraine and protecting their private wallets from being traceable to their public online identities – but can no longer access because of the OFAC’s sanctions, the suit claims.
Alongside Treasury, the plaintiffs are suing Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen and OFAC Director Andrea Gacki.
The plaintiffs are claiming OFAC violated the Administrative Procedures Act, which dictates how federal agencies must develop and issue regulations, because Tornado Cash isn't property or a foreign national or country, and therefore the sanctions watchdog exceeded its authority.
The filing also claims a violation of the plaintiffs’ First Amendment rights to “engage in important, socially valuable speech.”
Preston Van Loon, Almeida and Welch are also claiming a violation of their Fifth Amendment rights, which protect against self-incrimination, as they didn't receive a notice or any other form of prior process before their ETH was frozen.
As a result, the plaintiffs are calling on the court to “declare that defendants’ designation is null, void, and with no force and effect; declare that defendants’ designation is not in accordance with law; … vacate the designation; permanently enjoin defendants’ and their officers, employees and agents from enforcing, implementing, applying or taking any action whatsoever under, or in reliance on, the designation,” and litigation costs.
Controversial designation
OFAC’s designation of Tornado Cash and its smart wallet addresses has been controversial since it was announced last month.
Crypto think tank Coin Center said in a blog post that this was the first time software, rather than an individual or entity, was added to the SDN list, a point the plaintiffs jumped on.
“Historically, defendants have used their delegated authority to designate individuals, corporations and other entities on the SDN list. For instance, on February 25, 2022, OFAC added Vladimir Putin to the SDN list,” the filing said, referring to the Russian president. “Defendants have also designated Blender.io, a virtual currency mixer … Unlike Tornado Cash, Blender.io is operated under centralized control. Also unlike Tornado Cash, users of Blender.io do not retain custody of particular crypto asset at all times and instead receive randomly ‘mixed’ crypto assets.”
Paul Grewal, Coinbase’s chief legal officer, told CoinDesk that while the exchange has “the utmost respect for Treasury and OFAC … the recent designations of the Tornado Cash smart contracts gave us serious pause.”
The Treasury Department didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.
https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2022/09/08/crypto-engineers-investors-sue-us-treasury-over-tornado-cash-sanctions/
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Big donors to ukraine are suing the US Treasury Department's, Office of Foreign Assets Control over its sanctions on Tornado Cash.
1st on the basis of not receiving a warning prior to their ETH tornado cash funds being frozen.
2nd for The Office of Foreign Assets Control violating its mandate for freezing assets which do not fall under a "Foreign Assets" heading. Tornado Cash not being foreign owned may not fall under a jurisdiction of foreign assets. This is an interesting topic given the way many mandates have changed over time. For example it used to be illegal for the FBI to operate outside of the continental USA. Today their mandate allows the FBI to operate anywhere in the world.
They also claim sanctions on tornado cash violate their 1st and 5th amendment rights.
The Treasury Department claims north korean hackers used tornado cash to launder stolen crypto assets.
The case of developing. No word on whether or not we'll see follow up coverage. There are many announced lawsuits in crypto that were never updated. Hopefully this one will be.
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