Topic: Cryptomarketing services are they always scams? (Read 345 times)

So does this thread no longer have its purpose, or are you going to continue discussing whether a shill is a scam or not on this one? If it is the former I guess you can just lock the thread and redirect any discussion about your service to that new thread. This thread is better placed on service discussion to begin with, unless you want to convert this into an ANN thread.

Cryptomarketing isn't scam in any way but like every big and influential space
, its a mixed multitude and always a target for fraudsters who consider it a place to extort people who are unassuming of their gimmics leveraging the policies widely used within.

Just because some elements of theft found their way into the space doesn't make it a bad space, they have been delivering projects to the world through cryptomarketing.

Here is link to our newest thread.

Ill wite once again in here: Shill is associating people with: bots—spam advertising—something.

What we do its opposite. 

We give to the project real people who write or talk about the project in real time. We create for them articles and other stuff. We provide proof of our work, and each of our clients has access to it and 24/7 contact with us. 

We started with the name Shill, but we improve a lot and change a lot during this time when we are working, so we can be called Crypto Advertising Services.

But why do we not want to change it? Because a lot of people, when searching for advertising in crypto, are looking for shill - we say we do it. But when we explain how we do it and what we do, there is no other service that will offer the same high quality. By opening this thread, I want to show you the other site of this. And that this one word may mean something else. 

Several of the projects/clients you are asking about are listed on our website emoneymax.net, just check it

also check my trust there are at least few vouches from people emoneymax.net worked with

It's not only "considered unethical by most people" but indeed is unethical indeed. As much as I like to support any business to grow, I frown at the gimmicks they use to attract unsuspecting people or should I call it victim? Fine, it's not all the type that is bad but being biased and overbearing in marketing is their number one key to success and it's so gross.

It's mostly annoying when you type the "Best" on Google these days, you should be sure that the "Worse" is what will first pop up due to their SEO, affiliation and marketing dominance everywhere.

Thanks for your reply. As I always put below contact information for fast communication with us.

Fast contact via Telegram:

https://t.me/emoneyabc
https://t.me/maxmeriss

Or via our website: 

https://emoneymax.net/contactus/


You are right that I should be more active here. Step by step, hopefully, I will do that too.

SosSpagetti, why it takes you 19 days to address this, if this is how you do your business then so be it, if you're getting clients and getting results then it's up to you, I just realized that when it comes to marketing you have to offer something different and if you think using shilling based on your interpretation and implementation is something that your clients want, as long as these projects are good and legit then have it your way.
It all goes down to the projects that your platform picked to promote, hope you are responsible enough to pick the right project to promote. 

@aioc, @coin-investor  

"Shilling" I agree that it may be confusing, and we wanted to discuss or explain different meanings of that word. 

When clients come to us, we can talk and explain what we do and how we do that in details, but to get to this point, an offer is needed, and believe me, "shilling services" is something everybody understands, at least to some extent. They know that it will be advertising on some social media of choice.

So once again, EmoneyMax.net is a regular marketing agency that offers many different advertising services. 

We have the highest quality standards and developed special strategies that we have tweaked for a very long time. Today,  everything works perfectly and brings a lot of organic traffic from the websites we work on.

Somebody has written that "shilling services" always mean one thing: that they are low quality and dominated by bots, and this is exactly why we did everything totally differently from the start and chose to provide only HQ services, work with real humans, and do so in real time, usually 24/7.

To deliver that, we came up with some rules, Emoneymax.net standards, when it comes to "shilling services", Here are they:

- we are the only shill service that deliver full proof of work (we create special work group where we post all what we do with links and screens in real time),
- all what is moderated in first 24 hours we repost again,
- we assign 4 quality managers that work 24/7 in 8 persons team (us included me and Max), so we watch and moderate our teams in real time, later after 12/24h QM's check again if something is not moderated/removed, we deliver 100% as agreed, all comments, articles, daily posts are fully visible and receive multiple views)
- we see Twitter comments with hundreds of views seconds after publishing, we mastered some tricks how to engage with people to get as much  traffic possible
- we can post any narrative on any website (special signs, links, hashtags, mentions, etc included), and we can change that in real time,
- we can support any discussion, link, Tweet, article,
- always work 24/7 and provide real time support
- real people no bots, 
- no copy pasting,
- only original Highest Quality content
- we can change. adjust anything client wants in real time (change narrative, support any comment, post in main project groups/accounts, hype community, spread the word)
- we can target influencers, post HQ articles all of this is included in our work (we gathered big lists with all most wanted crypto niche influencers, servers, boards, groups, chats, etc)
- social media boosting (likes, RT, shares, views, followers)
- and a lot more...

All our services are here at emoneymax.net, but if someone has more questions about how we work, we can talk.

Nobody is forcing anybody to any of these shilling services, if you must enroll in one then try as much as possible in making research to your best satisfaction about them, marketing is not for the intention of scam, you're only working part-time for an organization to get paid for doing a particular service for them after meeting their criteria, what we may not know is the integrity of the organization whom we are promoting wether they are trusted or not.

Checking all the comments here your service is good only the shilling part is not, shilling is shilling there is no such thing as a different meaning of shilling if you take out that shilling part then we have no discussion about how good and appealing your service is.
Your potential client who knows what shilling is will have second thoughts about your service if part of your marketing is shilling, their project will easily get tagged for using shills to market.
But overall your platform is good and all the other services you offer but if I were a project developer I would avail of everything except the shilling plan.

They offer a lot of great services and these are what legit project needs, but they can ruin their business model by justifying and employing the use of shill, we have seen how shills are getting tagged, reported, and banned, so if you use shills on one of the projects you promote here you are safe because your business is legit while all the others marketers who use shills are not?
You cannot change the definition of shills, shills marketing in all definitions you find online and offline are the same, and it is manipulative marketing.

Emoneymax.net Crypto Marketing Services is something we started together. 

The first product was "shilling," but at the beginning, we started doing it way differently than others did. The name stays the same, but as I said, it's only one thing we do.


We run Crypto Marketing Service, we have with us:

• advertising team
• moderators
• writers
• graphics designers

Emoneymax.net is the only such service on the crypto market that offers "shill" made by real people. What's more:

• we deliver constant work 24/7
• real-time posts
• original comments
• decent prices.

Are you reinventing the wheel by justifying the use of shill marketing it seems you want to make it a legit way to market a platform by defending the use of shill marketing as one of your services, why not just use a total marketing package instead of using the word shill marketing.

By trying to defend shill marketing as a legitimate way to market for you, you also defend all shills that promote scam projects.

That is true, shilling word itself seems to spread a negative impression of a service that is not intended to use bots but real humans with real discussion about a project, and spreading more awareness about them. It is better to choose the words very carefully when providing these important services to your clients.

I see. I did get an offer from Emoneyabc in the past for translation if I remember it correctly. Did you start this service with him or did he join you in the middle?

From how you manage this thread, I think starting an ANN thread on the Service Announcement board would be better. I don't think you can convince people that your service is not like other shilling services through here. From a business perspective I don't think you need to convince them to begin with, as long as you can find customers that are satisfied with your service. CMIIW.

Sorry but, calling it "shilling service" instead just made it worse...

For starters, "shills" is a straight up a derogatory word which is typically used to describe people faking interest or positive feedbacks about a product/service they secretly work for. So of course, if you call it "shilling service", people will associate you with that and be needlessly alarmed.

Okay so wwzsocki is working with you, and you already have lots clients in the past, i knew he works with some content publication in huge/premium sites and do translation works. But talking of social media promotions, with most people are skeptical especially in telegram, i don't know how you can create a positive regular insights stats on it though.

I refer to all questions in the following response.

You have to remember that everything can be done honestly and professionally, that's how we work, "shilling or chatters". "shill team" is just a nomenclature in crypto marketing, and this is why we use it.

We simply talk about facts, listings on exchanges, important dates, updates, announcements, new functionalities, and helping people in client main chats and SM accounts understand their products' better. There are many customers that need such services, and we also always repeat to DYOR and only work on projects that we carefully check beforehand.

Personally, I don't like to call us "shill team", "shillers", "shill" so from the start, we called us "Influencers Team" or "Influencers services and members of the team we call simply "workers" because what we do is totally different from simple shilling as everybody understands it.

There was a problem when we used "Influencers team" instead of "shill team" in our marketing materials because customers simply didn't understand what we were offering. They thought about influencers with big SM accounts and following, but this is not what we offer.

Because of that, there is no other way as to use that nomenclature and call us simply "shill team" or "shillers" despite the fact that it is wrong and there should be some new name created. Recently,  there have been so-called "chatters" and this reflects the meaning of our work much better, although still not completely.

Everybody knows what we do, and there is no need to explain that we are not offering something different (like mentioned "Influencers team or services") if we simply use "shill team" in our offers, and this is why we use it. What and how we do it has nothing to do with straight "shilling" which in fact is nothing else as attracting new investors to worthless projects whose only goal is to sell as much worthless cryptocurrency as possible from the project using fake information in order to then make an exit or any other scam, take the money, and run away.

This is why we always first check all clients before we agree to work with them. A project needs to be solid, and we already refused to work with many that later indeed turned out to be scams. Here, I need to add that many of them are very hard to decipher at the launch stage because are well prepared. Still,  many years of constant work give us a lot of experience and expertise, so we are able to see red flags that are not visible to others.

When it comes to the 400 clients we have worked with, it is not only shiil teams, but also translations, SM boosting, articles writing, publications in biggest media outlets, promotions (even here on BTT), designs, groups moderation - this is the sum of clients that has passed through Emoneymax.net to this day.

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It's crypto, and we are all anonymous, but see this profile: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/wwzsocki-131333. You have all links in there. I'm Max, and Wwzsocki is Emoneyabc; together we run Emoneymax.net.

I think his profile tells a lot. Look at his trust, activity, position, or number of merits.



Back to "shill". We would like you to know that we do much more than just advertising projects by talking to people and making hype. We all in one.

We offer comprehensive solutions. Our people are good writers who deliver excellent articles about projects; we do custom-made graphics, gifs, and videos. We have people who work as moderators. We work with people from all over the world, so we could work in any language; we do translations.
During our time in crypto, we not only gained know-how but also gained a lot of connections with different people. We cooperate with good influencers and media and can give our clients competitive prices for their services.

We also have evidence that what we do simply works, because, for example, on Twitter, our comments receive hundreds of views immediately after publication, likes, RTs, same with Telegram, Discord, Reddit and Quora where our writers publish new articles every day on which our team comments. We don't spam anyone and use techniques developed by us during cooperation with many projects. Our clients are very satisfied, and usually the next ones come by recommendation, which proves the quality of our work.

I've started this thread because I knew that it would encounter such reactions, and that is why, using the example of emoneymax.net, I want to discuss and explain that you need to check everything first, ask questions, and not take words literally, especially in offers, because crypto is specific and many names are new, often invented by the community, and do not always reflect the facts exactly as they are.

Indeed, as you presented, advertising and shilling are exactly the same. There's always that element to hype a product, mislead the innocent public, and so on. This is nothing but a service which provides inorganic, or outright fake, boosts, likes, shares, comments, retweets, upvotes, votes, and so forth. This service might even include spamming. The goal is simply to be trending. That doesn't necessarily translate to investment. Neither is it a confirmation that a project isn't scam.

But, yeah, many crypto projects used this kind of service. And such is the reason why social media is already pestered with scam crypto projects and products. As a result, only those who were born yesterday will fall victim to it. And platforms such as CMC, online crypto publications, rating sites, and so on all look scammers now.  

And you also missed this forum.

You don't even tell us your full team. It is hard to trust a service that has no prior history or track record of its members.

Based on my experience on this forum, I do know one or two marketing services available for crypto projects that are quite trustworthy to some extent. Most of them have one or two experienced/noteworthy users to provide some kind of guarantee that they don't accept any projects as long as they pay them a ton of money. If you don't have a similar thing like that, I doubt people will consider your service worth their time.

You do research about the projects that you're promoting but you missed the essence and the true meaning of shill marketing


https://www.smartcapitalmind.com/what-is-shill-marketing.htm?expand_article=1

Investors will feel cheated if they find out that they invest on projects that uses shill marketing, shill marketing involves manipulation to entice investors to invest on projects, yes shilling is also a form of advertising but its a deceptive form of marketing and the community shuns projects that uses shill marketing.
We have seen this on many projects that turn out to be scam, only dubious projects will hire the service of shills to market their platform.

You are right, the shilling of some platform or newly launched coin/token always disturbs the analysis of an investor, especially of a newbie investor. Because most of the venture capitalists already in deal with those projects, as their work is just to throw money into the liquidity pools to build trust among other investors. And after that, they start shilling the platform.

The more hype means more discussions and more investors and the chances of rug pull are also more. The chance of manipulation of the price of some tokens also increases due to the shilling.

I was a bounty hunter here on BTT, and I saw the rise of many platforms from scratch and how they rug pulled after getting investments, either I joined those bounties or now (as I do have to keep an eye on good projects). Of course, my intentions are not with them but against such immoral work. I am not criticizing anyone here (even the OP) because to some extent it (the services) can be used for good purposes.

Lol, who gets fooled by shill services?
Service buyers
Reviewer/social platforms
Audience

You have to take the shilling literally. Shill services are spreading false enthusiasm that is actually considered unethical by most people.

Can you explain the very process of selection and selection of the project that you accept for promotion?
As you state, your service does not lead to a scam, so I assume that you do not accept the promotion of every project, regardless of its real background. It would be even better if you could present some concrete examples because if you have managed 400+ different projects, there must have been some that you rejected due to dubious final intentions.

Based on the EmoneyMax.net case, we would like to show you that not all cryptomarketing services are scams.

EmoneyMax is a crypto marketing service (known as the shilling team).

By shilling, we don't want you to understand a scam or something bad. We associate shilling with advertising. For us it means the same.

In this thread, we want to show you that our work is real. Our goal is to promote the project. First, we do good research on project needs, and then, with our work, we advertise it to other people.


Emoneymax.net - Who are we?

We're a team with a passion for creating innovative marketing strategies. Until today we have worked with 400+ clients from all kind of crypto niches DEFI, NFT, Web3, Gamefi (Play to Earn), Crypto casinos, Meme coins, exchanges, wallets, and many others.

We have a lot of experience and the needed know-how and can provide the highest quality possible.
With a team of outstanding people who have worked with us for 2–3 years and gained a lot of experience during that time.

Our workers and influencers are experienced in trading and crypto, they will engage in discussions and advertise your project everywhere organically. We work only with native speakers in the corresponding language; some of them work as translators or articles writers for crypto magazine, blogs. Same with our graphic designers, professionals and students of graphic design and visual communication fields, knowing the best strategy for your brand identity.

Emoneymax.net - What we do?

• Advertising on Telegram, Discord, Twitter, Reddit, Quora, Facebook, CMC, Gap, YT, Instagram
• Constant work 24/7
• Real time reports
• Full proof of work with links and screens (in real time)
• Reposting of all what is removed during last 24h
• 24/7 Support
• Narrative can be changed at any time
• 2 Quality Mangers in 8 people team

Emoneymax.net - What you can expect?

• Recognition in the cryptocurrency environment.
• Increase Community Members.
•  Get real Investors.
•  Increase your Twitter followers.
•  Increase your Telegram and Discord members.
•  Boost of any social media accounts.
•  Improve data for votes and upvotes.
•  Increase activity in groups and SM accounts.
•  Wide spread of business/project news, announcements, updates on all social media.

Emoneymax.net - How we work?

Our all advertising plans are made for work 7 days in week, we cover full 24 hours, 4 hour shifts per person.

In our most aggressive hyping and influencers package each team member use at least 2 - 3 different accounts and write 8 to 10 messages per hour, depending on the package of choice.

• we deliver full proof of work, at the beginning of work we create special work group where we post all what we do with links and screens in real time,
• all what is moderated/deleted in  first 24 hours is reposted again,
• at least 3 quality managers that work 24/7 in 8 persons team and provide reports in real time, so we watch and moderate our teams 24/7, later at least 2 QM checks again if something is not moderated/removed and if yes we repost it,
• we deliver 100% as agreed, all comments, articles, daily posts are fully visible and receive multiple views seconds after publishing,
• we know how to engage with people to get as much we can traffic wise: we can post any narrative on any website (special signs, links, hashtags, mentions are included),change, adjust anything client wants in real time,
• real people no bots,  no copy pasting, only original Highest Quality content,
• post in main project groups/accounts - talk about facts, listings on exchanges, important dates, updates, announcements, new functionalities, help people in client main chats and SM accounts to understand their products' better,
• spread the word about news, announcements, latest updates (target influencers, post HQ articles)
• bonuses for workers for HQ work and penalties for errors, we have quality rules for every aspect of our work

Emoneymax.net - which other services we offer?

• social media boosting (likes, RT, shares, views, followers),
• publications in leading crypto media networks and sites on major news portals,
• translations in all languages,
• Trending, Most visited, fast track listings on CMC, CG, Twitter Trending (Worldwide or any country of choice)
• articles, designs, copywriting.

We encourage you to ask questions under this post, we will be happy to answer them. Also check out our website in the https://emoneymax.net/marketing/#hyping tab - it is explained there how we work.