Topic: Cryptopyramide.com - Ponzi scheme (Read 715 times)

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It's nice of you to keep bumping this topic. It is never never a bad time to warn again about the fraudulent practices of various shady characters who lurk on this forum and try to make a quick buck off of people's greed or ignorance.

While it's true that there will always be people who want to take advantage of others, I think it's still our responsibility as members of the community to do what we can to prevent such people from succeeding.

The next game will start 2023.

Everything works. 

Why isn't everyone talking?

Where are all the people I have deceived?

All payments have been made.

The next game start 25.06.2022.

The game was declared invalid because less than four bets were made in each game.

All bets are returned to the players.

The next game will start 22.05.2022.

You have no real, direct evidence that I am a fraudster.

None at all!

I have already explained how my project differs from the classic Ponzi pyramid.

Contact any lawyer, attorney, in your or other country asking: (Is fraud possible without cheating?)

Write here what will be answered to you.

Important links specifically for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ponzi_schemes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_gambling

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deception

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_your_customer
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The first round is over.

Payments made.

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If you still have doubts that the pyramid you created is a ponzi scheme, look at the FBI website in the section "SCAMS AND SAFETY/The Internet/Common Scams And Crimes" - what Ponzi Schemes are: https://www.fbi.gov/scams-and-safety/common-scams-and-crimes/ponzi-schemes "“Ponzi” schemes promise high financial returns or dividends not available through traditional investments. Instead of investing the funds of victims, however, the con artist pays “dividends” to initial investors using the funds of subsequent investors." This is exactly what you planned to do.

And since the ponzi scheme is a scam, then you, as the creator of the project and engaged in its promotion, are accordingly a scammer.

Why is everyone silent about the accusations of fraud against me?

Guys, provide concrete, real evidence that I am a scammer!

Do you even understand how the blockchain (BTC, LTC) works, and why it cannot be changed?

What is the foundation for creating a crypt?

Why do the laws of mathematics (cryptography) work regardless of the laws adopted by people?

If you understand, then I can explain to you what zero trust is, that your ID could be your BTC or LTC wallet (address).

Answer your own question: Why do you use the crypt???

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There are some time that you need not a prophet to tell you a Ponzi scheme. You can notice Ponzi schemes Base on their rules, terms and conditions and the instructions they give. When I enter the site from the link the OP provided and I carefully read and analyse the information on the platform. And I discovered two important information from site.

1. Anonymity: Registration. What do you mean by anonymity, does it mean, your company has no name, or the people that are registering are ghost or spiritual beings. If you company is a genuine site, the name of the register must appear for confirmation. Anything anonymity in online is for hidden agenda.

2. Zero Trust: How? If I will not trust your feedback, there means, the whole system can never be trusted.  A company gave me feedback on a particular issue and you are here telling me that I should not trust the feedback, then what should I trust?



Finally I come to and conclusion that this a Ponzi scheme.

I have previously cited what is deception, fraud, the pyramid of Ponzi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud

(In law, fraud is intentional deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain, or to deprive a victim of a legal right.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deception

(Deception or falsehood is an act or statement that misleads, hides the truth, or promotes a belief, concept, or idea that is not true.)

I always welcome warning people about high risks, possible fraud and loss of money.

I categorically oppose accusations without real evidence and consider this a false accusation.

And I am also categorically against the sentence of scammer without real evidence of my guilt.

Again, by definition, a Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investing scam. This is a well-known fact, there is no need to prove it.

Negative trust in your account is to warn other members not to be deceived. If you disagree and believe that I am abusing the trust system, feel free to open an appeal in Meta to discuss it.

My scheme will fall every 30 days (as defined in the rules).
It is very important that I openly admit it!
I have a legitimate job unrelated to the crypt.
If you think I'm a scammer, give me evidence, bring the people I deceived.
If they're gone, then it's a false charge against me.
Do you have any evidence?

You're missing the point. By definition, a Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investing scam... so there's no point in sugarcoating. This is just another BS "get rich quick scheme" that will collapse sooner or later. It really doesn't matter that you openly admit it.

Consider some legitimate ways of earning money instead of trying to scam other members if you're worried about being labeled as a scammer.

I ask the respected moderator community to drop my fraud charge and the scammer label.

There is no inaccurate information, deception, lies, or concealment of information in my project.

There are only negative associations with ponzi pyramids.

I understand very well the negative attitude of people towards the pyramids and Ponzi schemes. This negativity is based on deception and concealment of information.

In my project, there is no deception or concealment of information, everyone can check whenever they want to do this.

Made an update to the site, now there are two options for distributing profits. Start next month.

Maybe it's worth doing something useful that will not be SCAM.

Something like that - https://www.ltccasino.com

What do you think?

You troll me?

My project is under (gambling). What does this mean.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_gambling

I was not in vain comparing my project and lotteries, casinos, betting.

Your arguments: That investors will lose money and they will not receive a guaranteed profit.

On my website there is a Work Scheme, if 10 investors (players) invest 10 coins each, then 9 out of 10 will receive a profit of 10%, and one will lose everything.
I declare this openly and honestly!
What's the deception here?
What's the scam?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud

(In law, fraud is intentional deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain, or to deprive a victim of a legal right.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deception

(Deception or falsehood is an act or statement that misleads, hides the truth, or promotes a belief, concept, or idea that is not true.)

Are you disagreeing with me, or with Wikipedia, too?

the same thing could be said to you. people have been repeating that you are running a scam.

your "arguments" are BS. you keep comparing gambling and your Ponzi scheme project as if the two things are the same, they are not. at this point, you are just trying to twist words and meanings to justify your scam project.

What's the point of repeating the same thing I write before.

I've made enough arguments about my project, but you only hear yourself.

In the ponzi scheme, the last investor who invested their money will no longer receive the guaranteed profit that you promise. Accordingly, if they do not receive their profit and at the same time lose their money, so they will be defrauded by yourself. So fraud will still be present in this case.

Lotteries, casinos, sweepstakes also lead to loss of money in them just at the expense of new investors (players) is formed profit they also do not produce goods or services and serve to enrich a small part of investors (players).

Why is it not SCAM? Because the rules of the game are known and open!

You're not hearing me at all. Read wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud) -
(In law, fraud is intentional deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain, or to deprive a victim of a legal right.)

If I informed investors in advance that (that early investors are making a profit at the expense of new investors) it is not considered fraud because there is no deception, false information, concealment of information.

The basis of any fraud is deception if there is no deception then there is no fraud.

Give me at least one example of fraud where there is no deception.

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There are and are developing a lot of complex high-tech projects using the technologies of smart contracts, sadchains, ring-sing and other schemes.
The rules in such projects are very often floating, adaptive, not fixed.

A full audit of such projects requires high-class IT specialists (highly paid), as well as a lot of time (one two three years).

If you conduct a comprehensive analysis of such projects (where the money comes from and how to be distributed in the future) (what goods, services are produced (created), what is their price, as well as distribution among all participants (investors) of the project.

You can find the same pyramid with different options for the distribution of funds or rights to future income.

To prove that such projects (SCAM) are very difficult and expensive. Because there are so many complex interdependent rules that you misunderstood or didn't know.


I made my site specially (intentionally) very simple (primitive) so that even a child could understand it, and the audit can be carried out in 2 minutes.

In my project, 99% of the funds are redistributed among investors(players).

What is the meaning of my project - in the possibility of making a profit and the risk of losing investments (rates). The choice is always people's (if they are aware of it).

I can spend a lot more time and money to create a project in which there will be a product or service in the future time, but why deceive myself and others, especially inexperienced investors (players).

Yes, you openly declare that your project is a scam, since it is a ponzi scheme, but it still does not become an honest project because of this. All ponzi schemes eventually lead to the loss of money of investors who joined this scheme last. Therefore, you should not get your hands dirty with a new scam.

You've just admitted that it's a Ponzi scheme and a pyramiding and these two schemes are meant to scam people because there is no product, no services to talk about only new investors willing to invest, it's the payment will go to early investors and for you to make a profit you need to have new investors coming in, once there are no new investors coming in, then the bucks stop, the only way to regain your investment s to invite and hope new people will come in to invest.

the dude is extremely delusional, he is hell-bent on believing that he isn't running a scam and that he is an honest "businessman".

your scam and the casinos, lottery, betting, are extremely different. it is unbelievable that you even thought of comparing these things.

I don't promise 100% ganted profits!

Where did you find this on the site? Show me.

If I write on my toilet (Ponzi pyramid) it will also be considered a scam?

I try to talk about the essence of things but everyone repeats like a SCAM mantra! SCAM!

No matter how much you try to sugarcoat it. A pyramid or Ponzi scheme is considered a scam here.

The difference between casinos and Ponzi schemes is  because of this



Casino don't promise guaranteed profits, so people already know that.

I read your link carefully.

It describes precisely the concealment of information about the rules of the game from investors, this is fraud.

My rules of the game are open, that is the difference between fraud and fair play.

People play lottery, bet on betting, play casino, why they all don't shout SCAM! SCAM!
after all, the money that the winners receive is taken from the victims.

Because the rules of the game are transparent and understandable to players.

People understand the responsibility that they can lose their money if they lose.

If you think that by talking openly about the ponzi scheme, you thereby become an honest businessman who openly declares everything that they will lose their money, then you are mistaken. Many people have previously tried to explain to you why the ponzi scheme is a fraud, but you still don't understand. In my opinion, a very good explanation is provided by the Binance Academy: https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/pyramid-and-ponzi-schemes

It's not a profit guarantee (never mind 1 LTC or 100 BTC), it's a guarantee to follow the rules of the game which you can check for yourself and not rely on user feedbacks.

I don't want to copy the site to the reply page.

If you transferred 10 BTC and there are no new investors in 30 days you will get 9.9 BTC back.
(10 BTC - 1% = 9.9 BTC)

It is always the last investor who takes the biggest risk, he can lose everything, because his money will be used to pay to previous investors.

All this is in the rules on the site.

I read your previous posts. but you didn't answer my question.

How can you guarantee the 10% profit in 30 days?
What will you do if the money invested by new users isn't enough for paying the old users?

If I invest 10 BTC, I should be able to withdraw 11 BTC after 30 days. What if I am the only one who have deposited to your website? Where will the 1 BTC profit come from?

Look it up on wikipedia - fraud, deception, Ponzi scheme.

Truth cannot be deception by the definition of words.

Read my posts above.

I have read it.  
The website says that the profit comes from new investors. That's exactly the definition of a ponzi scheme.
I recommend you to search for "Ponzi Scheme" on google and see what you get. By definition, a ponzi scheme is a form of fraud. Even if you mention that on the website, it doesn't change anything and it's still a scam.

Please read what I have on my site carefully!
Perhaps there won't be any questions.

What will you do when the money deposited by new users isn't enough for paying existing users?

Even if you pay all the users for 600 days, it won't change anything.
All ponzi schemes are scam. They pay the users in the first days and finally run away with users money. There is no exception.

My website says (profits are generated by new investors) - what is the point of cheating people?

I understand that according to the classical Ponzi scheme a lot of fraudulent projects were created and investors of these projects suffered.

I understand the negative attitude of people to Ponzi schemes, but fraud is deception, withholding information or deliberately false information for investors (players).

Show me where I have false information on my site or what information I am hiding.

Perhaps we do not understand each other.



If the truth is a deception, then I just don't have any arguments
that you would accept.

My understanding is to wait 60 days and see if the truth is a scam, a fraud.

If I were a scammer, I would spread information about my site through social networks where there are not very knowledgeable about cryptocurrency.

I posted information on crypto-forums where people who are experienced in these matters.

Some crypto investors still deposit their money on such websites which is surprising to think. This website is telling their purpose in advance and even after seeing these, it will be said in advance that whoever will invest, he will lose his invested money. No one can profit from this Ponzi scheme website because the purpose of these websites is to scam greedy investors.

How can something like this works when all things are based on trust, since you will be at the head of the pyramid or two of your account you will make a profit then, checking the site I don't see information about how it works only the concept, obviously you made a lot of changes because you are caught, anything that has to do with pyramiding is considered a scam, only those who are on the top, of course, the admins will make money here first.

Such your truth does not change anything, even if you honestly admitted that you advertise scam, it does not cease to be a fraud. It's just that in this case, it doesn't take much effort to prove that the program you are advertising is a ponzi scheme.

However one might try to justify it, a ponzi scheme is a ponzi scheme and although the forum administration does not moderate scams DT members have the right to mark the users promoting these scams as a dangerous mode of investment. Therefore any flag regarding this matter will be supported by other DT members and probably the accused account tagged.

A HYIP/MLM takes money from new investors to pay its old investors, some people might make some money out of this but the real winner here is the one operating the scam and the ones who are getting affiliate commissions from it.

Hence newbies should stay away from this unless they are mature enough to know how this scam works.

I can change the name to any other name, but it will not essentially change anything.

Charles Ponzi Pyramid was found to be a fraud because he hid the source of income from investors (who were new investors).

If you name a lottery after Ponzi it automatically becomes a scam (if not different than any regular lottery)?

Negative associations with the name of Ponzi are detrimental to the advertising and promotion of the project, but cannot be proof of fraud (that is, knowingly false information to investors in order to make a profit).

You accuse me in advance of fraud based on negative associations with the Ponzi name without any real evidence.

Telling the truth is very important in any project!

If you withhold information from investors, it will be a fraud, no matter what name the project will be called.

What do you think about this?


P.S. After criticism from the crypto community, I made changes to the project.

the OP posted a scam accusation against you/your Ponzi scheme because, well, you are running a Ponzi scheme. it doesn't matter if you are telling the truth because at the end of the day you are still running a Ponzi scheme and should be avoided.

What exactly is the deception?

All honestly described on the site.

Today 90% of Internet projects is hiding this or that information from investors, and the audit of Internet projects can last several years.

The site is registered 2022-02-21.

He's not in the archives. He's new.

What happened: Ponzi scheme
However, there is no need to prove anything, the site directly says that this is a ponzi scheme.

10% PROFIT FOR 30 DAYS

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