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How we can anticipate this matter? How the hunters be protected by the managers or they are just a toy to promote the project and yet the team doesn't want to pay as they are already in success?
Yes, it sounds impossible but let us just try to discuss this matter.

I can understand how you feel about completing a task and not getting paid, even a worthy response. Sometimes there is a shift of responsibility between the bounty manager and the dev team. However, are we here to benefit? Yes, I am sure, we are learning, exchanging and honing our experience in this market. Are there benefits for the bounty? Sure it does, but it's not quite as crypto-specific. It seems that if you take all the blame by criticizing, putting pressure on the bounty manager is a common practice for any hunter if not paid. But who will understand for them, it's a job in the "Yes" range of risk, not absolute value. Project Appraisal is their business, but it can change at any time from the project. And it's unfair, they take advantage of that to put pressure on the bounty manager and what does he have to do with the train? They have tension.

If the bounty manager wants to have a good reputation, he tries to select projects that are transparent and have no suspicions of scam. However, there are those who take any projects, whether they are scam or not, because they only care about money.
Of course, it is not up to the bounty manager whether the project will pay out tokens or not, but his experience and intentions can greatly reduce the risk that the bounty hunter will be scammed.

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How we can anticipate this matter? How the hunters be protected by the managers or they are just a toy to promote the project and yet the team doesn't want to pay as they are already in success?
Yes, it sounds impossible but let us just try to discuss this matter.

I can understand how you feel about completing a task and not getting paid, even a worthy response. Sometimes there is a shift of responsibility between the bounty manager and the dev team. However, are we here to benefit? Yes, I am sure, we are learning, exchanging and honing our experience in this market. Are there benefits for the bounty? Sure it does, but it's not quite as crypto-specific. It seems that if you take all the blame by criticizing, putting pressure on the bounty manager is a common practice for any hunter if not paid. But who will understand for them, it's a job in the "Yes" range of risk, not absolute value. Project Appraisal is their business, but it can change at any time from the project. And it's unfair, they take advantage of that to put pressure on the bounty manager and what does he have to do with the train? They have tension.

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Quote from: Ararbermas on July 20, 2021, 07:14:06 AM

actually that's what always happen in bounty section wherein alot of bounty hunters always didn't receive rewards from the project afterwards and even now

I have seen some accounts attempt to join bounties that have been long abandoned and bumped that thread. It shows that most of the account created for this purpose is just to join bounties and try to defraud them. But they forget that the project's were scam in the first place. Cheesy

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for me the sad facts when there's a new projects running a campaign no one provide escrow to protect the rights of some hunters, that's why it's very complicated to join because most of the projects nowadays in bounty section are waste of time

Escrows are not equal to lawyers. Nobody protects a bounty hunter except they themselves. One cannot be guaranteed payment if the team decides not to pay them. Again most projects will not go to that extent to get an escrow either, but we have had legit projects run in the past and those that were escrowed were mostly legit.

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Just imagine 4 weeks working in it and sometimes they extended the distribution but after all you will receive a shitcoin and sometimes nothing.. Lol

Yup, the bubble that bounties can make them rich needs to stop. They will only waste your time which one can put to better use. Bitcoin paying campaigns come up every month in this forum.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on May 27, 2021, 10:07:43 AM

1. Escrow the bounty funds and make sure it's managed by trusted managers.
2. Never join any non-escrowed bounties if you fear the bounty won't paid you in the future.

Those 2 suggestions I provide above 100% will prevent from bounty scam and make bounty scam will go away since no one is interested.

Escrow can only be said to solve 100% if the team don't have the power to change the contract address so easily (i.e from the alts campaign point of view) but in a situation where the team decided to change the contract address immediately the campaign is over then what good would be the escrowed tokens? evidently, there is no 100% way of dealing with campaigns that has to do with tokens of the said project because it can go either ways, sometimes when the project refuse or could not make it to the exchange as a result of one thing or another, still the token reward will becomes useless to hunters, perhaps you narrow your response to the btc paying campaigns and not extend to alts campaigns because those hardly use any escrow.

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Every newbie whether they like it or not their main choice here to earn crypto or bitcoin is to become a bounty hunters.
This is where I started when I was a newbie here. But the disadvantage is that most of the time bounty hunters always unpaid for every
ico project that arise here in crypto space.

actually that's what always happen in bounty section wherein alot of bounty hunters always didn't receive rewards from the project afterwards and even now..for me the sad facts when there's a new projects running a campaign no one provide escrow to protect the rights of some hunters, that's why it's very complicated to join because most of the projects nowadays in bounty section are waste of time.. Just imagine 4 weeks working in it and sometimes they extended the distribution but after all you will receive a shitcoin and sometimes nothing.. Lol

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Every newbie whether they like it or not their main choice here to earn crypto or bitcoin is to become a bounty hunters.
This is where I started when I was a newbie here. But the disadvantage is that most of the time bounty hunters always unpaid for every
ico project that arise here in crypto space.

Most of this problem was coming from the scam project as the dev was running away nor didn't give a response when the campaign already ended. In some cases, even the trusted developers didn't even wanna try to pay the hunters.
The manager must create protection for the hunters and this can be done through use the of escrow but this is the problem since a few years ago when the developers didn't wanna try to use escrow.
There was also another problem when the hunters are looking for quantity over quality from the projects

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Quote from: Cryptomiles1 on July 07, 2021, 10:31:31 AM

Let say the Truth about this matter, sometimes most project owners do paid the manager but due to greed and hunter for money made most of the bounty managers not to pay hunters, some manager will even warned you not to mention about bounty in the main group if such is done you are automatically disqualified this is reason because they don't want to project owners to know they have not paid the hunters.

Now what good managers does it that;
They will escrow the funds, and if they noticed a silly play about the project they will pause it with immediate effects not to allow their community work.

The majority of bounty projects that get paid to working participants are from managers with great reputation, I mean their rank and experience. Whether they are individuals or an affiliated group... Most are guaranteed payment. On the other hand, projects that want to have great success, they often choose excellent and quality bounty managers to collect good traffic. Perhaps the Margin option is a good idea but I think it will be difficult to enforce. If they think of benefits together.

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Quote from: Cryptofamele7 on May 27, 2021, 09:43:46 AM

How we can anticipate this matter? How the hunters be protected by the managers or they are just a toy to promote the project and yet the team doesn't want to pay as they are already in success?

This is the complex issue that comes with freedom for all in this space. We have tools and utilities that are fully integrated on bitcointalk, which is a place to work and make free money. Personally, I'm really grateful for the forum. Bounty managers also do their job, they are not AI machines to recognize, appraise a project as 100% real. For me, a bounty manager with a great reputation will be considered first. Yes, there is a risk of delay or the value of your labor being wasted, but it is a job you can accept as well as futile.

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Quote from: Cryptomiles1 on July 07, 2021, 10:31:31 AM

Let say the Truth about this matter, sometimes most project owners do paid the manager but due to greed and hunter for money made most of the bounty managers not to pay hunters, some manager will even warned you not to mention about bounty in the main group if such is done you are automatically disqualified this is reason because they don't want to project owners to know they have not paid the hunters.

Now what good managers does it that;
They will escrow the funds, and if they noticed a silly play about the project they will pause it with immediate effects not to allow their community work.

It's because of the continuous delay that the hunters will ask in the main group if they promise according to what is said in the bounty thread I don't think the hunters will do this in the main group, and I think they are annoyed with the false promises that continue to be made by the team about distribution, that's usually the case.

The manager will not be able to raise funds for the project he is only hired to manage the bounty and that's nothing more, and as hunters of course they are the ones who promote everywhere including social media which is often the target of investors, but sometimes raising funds depends on the quality of the project.

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Let say the Truth about this matter, sometimes most project owners do paid the manager but due to greed and hunter for money made most of the bounty managers not to pay hunters, some manager will even warned you not to mention about bounty in the main group if such is done you are automatically disqualified this is reason because they don't want to project owners to know they have not paid the hunters.

Now what good managers does it that;
They will escrow the funds, and if they noticed a silly play about the project they will pause it with immediate effects not to allow their community work.

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One of the biggest problems is that many teams claim they would have legitimate reasons to stay anonymous. Since that might even be true in some cases, usually it is not but just for the sake of scamming people. It is just hard to differentiate one group from the other.

I have heard the same, but remember that Satoshi remained anon but did not sell a token to someone. Bounties exist for a fun-worthy project and they are selling a product so there lies a difference and the argument to bunk their argument.

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Hence it is a gamble, but sticking with reputable bounty managers helps a bit because you know that they do a good bit of due diligence on their own because they don't want to put their reputation on the line for a blatantly obvious scam.

It is worse than a gamble. You are being too generous to these scammers and by doing so you will end up losing money. At least in a fair gambling game you have a chance of winning. Here you are being sold shit tokens of no value in exchange of your valuable bitcoin which is going up everyday.

Managers themselves get scammed by these projects and it is not their fault that the project managed to fool them, embarrassing for them yes, but they are no liable for the losses. Also the same reason why you will rarely see reputed managers take up such projects.

Exactly! You know, if an anon team decides to run a PoW coin and announces it in advance without shadow mining it first that's fine, I don't have a problem with that unless they use super special mining hardware that most likely only they can have for some reason. Satoshi is a different topic. He may have anticipated that he could one day become a serious target for attackers of all kinds, really all kinds. The ICO grabbers today, come on, what reason should they have today to stay anonymous. History about ICO has shown that they are mostly scammers.

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How we can anticipate this matter? How the hunters be protected by the managers or they are just a toy to promote the project and yet the team doesn't want to pay as they are already in success?

Yes, it sounds impossible but let us just try to discuss this matter.

How can you anticipate that matter? then don'tJoin Bounty at all for sure you will never experience such cases.

because the more you participate is the more you giving consent those scammers to victimized you.

Bounty campaign would continue to exist because ICO projects are still continuing to exist which means marketing would be next in line.

Scam bounties and managers cant really be known because usually these shits would be looking legit and active while the project is on accumulation or fund raise but when everything is over then this is where true color pops out.

If hunters do continue to advertise these scams then it would continue to exist and this is why we should be careful on dealing on things. =

Yeah that's what I'm pointing mate , this wont stop until there are a willing victims , Imagine they ar continuing to participate even that they really find most of them as scam.
they are even a victim for many chances yet they are willing to join.

It would be understandable if newbies or completely new into this forum would commit out those mistakes but there are experienced ones who do still get engaged into bounty hunting despite the higher
chance of being scammed or not getting paid.

Dont expect for some protection because no one can help you out once the team decided not to pay up its hunters.You would be definitely be put up on a situation or scenario on where you do keep begging
to get paid but actually those coins doesnt have any value but in our mind we know the probability for those coins to become valuable and do make some nasty profits later on.

When you do bounty hunter then always consider this type of risk.

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Quote from: Cryptofamele7 on May 27, 2021, 09:43:46 AM

We all know we are in crypto. We join for our own risk. We search and try to find out the best and most potential project promoted by trusted managers. However some project turned into scam and some may not pay the participants due to underestimating the hunters promotion with low traffic.

From the past and recent issues with regards to scam projects and unpaid balance for hunters.

How we can anticipate this matter? How the hunters be protected by the managers or they are just a toy to promote the project and yet the team doesn't want to pay as they are already in success?

Yes, it sounds impossible but let us just try to discuss this matter.

If I am not wrong, many of the trusted campaign managers stopped the bounty campaign management due to lot of scams and useless projects, still there are some projects are run by the managers only after they getting the tokens on their wallet of under escrow. So if someone joined random campaign managed by a complete newbie get scammed everyday so better find the campaigns only if the funds are escrowed no matter it is a token or coin.

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How we can anticipate this matter? How the hunters be protected by the managers or they are just a toy to promote the project and yet the team doesn't want to pay as they are already in success?

Yes, it sounds impossible but let us just try to discuss this matter.

How can you anticipate that matter? then don'tJoin Bounty at all for sure you will never experience such cases.

because the more you participate is the more you giving consent those scammers to victimized you.

Bounty campaign would continue to exist because ICO projects are still continuing to exist which means marketing would be next in line.

Scam bounties and managers cant really be known because usually these shits would be looking legit and active while the project is on accumulation or fund raise but when everything is over then this is where true color pops out.

If hunters do continue to advertise these scams then it would continue to exist and this is why we should be careful on dealing on things. =

Yeah that's what I'm pointing mate , this wont stop until there are a willing victims , Imagine they ar continuing to participate even that they really find most of them as scam.
they are even a victim for many chances yet they are willing to join.

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Quote from: Dump3er on July 05, 2021, 03:56:24 PM

One of the biggest problems is that many teams claim they would have legitimate reasons to stay anonymous. Since that might even be true in some cases, usually it is not but just for the sake of scamming people. It is just hard to differentiate one group from the other.

I have heard the same, but remember that Satoshi remained anon but did not sell a token to someone. Bounties exist for a fun-worthy project and they are selling a product so there lies a difference and the argument to bunk their argument.

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Hence it is a gamble, but sticking with reputable bounty managers helps a bit because you know that they do a good bit of due diligence on their own because they don't want to put their reputation on the line for a blatantly obvious scam.

It is worse than a gamble. You are being too generous to these scammers and by doing so you will end up losing money. At least in a fair gambling game you have a chance of winning. Here you are being sold shit tokens of no value in exchange of your valuable bitcoin which is going up everyday.

Managers themselves get scammed by these projects and it is not their fault that the project managed to fool them, embarrassing for them yes, but they are no liable for the losses. Also the same reason why you will rarely see reputed managers take up such projects.

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Quote from: Cryptofamele7 on May 27, 2021, 09:43:46 AM

We all know we are in crypto. We join for our own risk. We search and try to find out the best and most potential project promoted by trusted managers. However some project turned into scam and some may not pay the participants due to underestimating the hunters promotion with low traffic.

From the past and recent issues with regards to scam projects and unpaid balance for hunters.

How we can anticipate this matter? How the hunters be protected by the managers or they are just a toy to promote the project and yet the team doesn't want to pay as they are already in success?

Yes, it sounds impossible but let us just try to discuss this matter.

Common thing that is happening on bounty hunting which majority of those projects are scams or those project who dont tend to pay out users despite of success.

Managers are just workers and shouldnt really took the blame unless if the manager is part of the team then thats the time they should really be sued on about the pay. As bounty hunter then you should really know on how

to do your assignment. Seek out the best possible legit project even though it cant really be determined on early phase but choosing the potential ones is still possible.

Stick with good bounty known managers of this forum and not just some newbie who are handling out the community members.I cant really just trust up those guys.

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That's why its been encourage to join on reputable campaign managers since mostly they already escrowed the amouny intended for bounty so its gives us little security while doing effort on the camp but don't expect that you be paid on your efforts since sometimes even if the camp pays still there are times that their distributed tokens doesn't get any value.

Out of the thousands of bounties that get posted here, very few end up as escrowed and when one does, there is a huge flock hunters jumping into it. Reputable bounty manager does not equal to an escrowed bounty tokens but of course most managers usually declare that before posting it.

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Thats why don't put all your hopes that you will paid but instead treat this as hobby and lucky if will be paid.

True that, most bounty hunters think of this as a job when it is defenitely not so. It is a hit and run/gamble as to which new altcoin will become big. Now bounty hunters cant complain of the same since nobody forced them to join and there was no clause to protect them on non-payment. Thats why I suggest every newbie to get to know this forum and how it works first and then gradually rank up to join a bitcoin payment campaign.

One of the biggest problems is that many teams claim they would have legitimate reasons to stay anonymous. Since that might even be true in some cases, usually it is not but just for the sake of scamming people. It is just hard to differentiate one group from the other. Hence it is a gamble, but sticking with reputable bounty managers helps a bit because you know that they do a good bit of due diligence on their own because they don't want to put their reputation on the line for a blatantly obvious scam.

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Basically there is no guarantee even though the funds will be escrowed by reputable BM though. The team can lock the token at the desired address with a smart contract. It is very necessary to consider managers who not only understand good management and marketing, but also understand technical things that the team may be prone to cover up.

But still prioritizing quality, a reputable manager will really fight for the hunters, and will even anticipate things that are detrimental to the hunters.

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Quote from: ultrloa on June 30, 2021, 06:59:10 PM

That's why its been encourage to join on reputable campaign managers since mostly they already escrowed the amouny intended for bounty so its gives us little security while doing effort on the camp but don't expect that you be paid on your efforts since sometimes even if the camp pays still there are times that their distributed tokens doesn't get any value.

Out of the thousands of bounties that get posted here, very few end up as escrowed and when one does, there is a huge flock hunters jumping into it. Reputable bounty manager does not equal to an escrowed bounty tokens but of course most managers usually declare that before posting it.

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Thats why don't put all your hopes that you will paid but instead treat this as hobby and lucky if will be paid.

True that, most bounty hunters think of this as a job when it is defenitely not so. It is a hit and run/gamble as to which new altcoin will become big. Now bounty hunters cant complain of the same since nobody forced them to join and there was no clause to protect them on non-payment. Thats why I suggest every newbie to get to know this forum and how it works first and then gradually rank up to join a bitcoin payment campaign.

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We all know we are in crypto. We join for our own risk. We search and try to find out the best and most potential project promoted by trusted managers. However some project turned into scam and some may not pay the participants due to underestimating the hunters promotion with low traffic.

From the past and recent issues with regards to scam projects and unpaid balance for hunters.

How we can anticipate this matter? How the hunters be protected by the managers or they are just a toy to promote the project and yet the team doesn't want to pay as they are already in success?

Yes, it sounds impossible but let us just try to discuss this matter.

Most of the bounties now here in the forum are non-escrows actually, where the risk is too high and the chances of rewards is very minimal.
Only few of them are trusted and this trusted people or BM are surely will send your rewards. Because, if ever the BM is don't have a higher rank here and they managed campaign they will give the rewards but mostly is differ from the allocation during the time when they are starting.

That's why its been encourage to join on reputable campaign managers since mostly they already escrowed the amouny intended for bounty so its gives us little security while doing effort on the camp but don't expect that you be paid on your efforts since sometimes even if the camp pays still there are times that their distributed tokens doesn't get any value. Thats why don't put all your hopes that you will paid but instead treat this as hobby and lucky if will be paid.

Even the reputable manager had been scammed as well and if the team won't send yet the bounties, all efforts are gone worthless. It's a scheme they do already when they promise to pay the bounty hunters after 3 months and then comes the time, they once again will promise after 3 months. They can't do anything about it.

Can't remember the project but I've also read it here in the forum, I'm sure any bounty hunter that's part of it will remember it if they read this comment.

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Quote from: Cryptofamele7 on May 27, 2021, 09:43:46 AM

We all know we are in crypto. We join for our own risk. We search and try to find out the best and most potential project promoted by trusted managers. However some project turned into scam and some may not pay the participants due to underestimating the hunters promotion with low traffic.

From the past and recent issues with regards to scam projects and unpaid balance for hunters.

How we can anticipate this matter? How the hunters be protected by the managers or they are just a toy to promote the project and yet the team doesn't want to pay as they are already in success?

Yes, it sounds impossible but let us just try to discuss this matter.

Most of the bounties now here in the forum are non-escrows actually, where the risk is too high and the chances of rewards is very minimal.
Only few of them are trusted and this trusted people or BM are surely will send your rewards. Because, if ever the BM is don't have a higher rank here and they managed campaign they will give the rewards but mostly is differ from the allocation during the time when they are starting.

That's why its been encourage to join on reputable campaign managers since mostly they already escrowed the amouny intended for bounty so its gives us little security while doing effort on the camp but don't expect that you be paid on your efforts since sometimes even if the camp pays still there are times that their distributed tokens doesn't get any value. Thats why don't put all your hopes that you will paid but instead treat this as hobby and lucky if will be paid.

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there are severals way bounty hunters get scammed. You can also escrow funds but if you will receive a new token (and not bitcoin/eth or any top crypto ) price could be heavily dumped and you receive a token that worth nothing. Or maybe there is "a value" but it's something listed in a shadow exchange with unclear KYC rules, fake trades etc etc. Just few projects deserve interest, nowadays most of others are just a waste of time

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Without escrows in every bounty campaign the level of risk for sure is too high, were the chances average of distribution only
20% even the Bounty Manager has a good reputation here in the forum, based on my analysis and observation. I know a lot of the old members
here knows this statement that I am talking about.

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Quote from: Chato1977 on May 28, 2021, 07:36:57 AM

Lets accept the reality that this is our fate being a Hunter, What we only need is to at least learn from time to time and not let being a victim forever.

There are some good projects happen in the past and until now there is some but we can count in hand so be careful.

true, we have to learn from our mistakes, to avoid more scams but that won't be enough, even some big projects who had big support from investors didn't pay bounty hunters, so i think not getting paid is something a bounty hunter can't avoid, that's why we see some people joining all twitter campaigns even if they look suspicious, they try everything, which is not a good thing because they're helping them grow and find it really easy to promote their projects here.

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I agree with the escrow.

Escrow is not the solution.

Recently I was participating in bounty with escrow. The project looked strong and I thought there is going to be no problem with it, specially when it managed by reputed managed and there were escrow. After two weeks issues started to appear. In the end, managed first put this campaign on pause, then decided to end it and distribute rewards. And guess what - he could not do it, because tokens were locked. Escrow did not help at all.
Another example are Bounty Detectives. Often they escrow rewards. But did not distribute them because 1) they havent received funding for transactions 2) the team did not allow them to start distribution. Escrow did not help here either.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on May 27, 2021, 10:07:43 AM

1. Escrow the bounty funds and make sure it's managed by trusted managers.
2. Never join any non-escrowed bounties if you fear the bounty won't paid you in the future.

Those 2 suggestions I provide above 100% will prevent from bounty scam and make bounty scam will go away since no one is interested.

If from the start the project really wanted to scam, the escrow entrusted to the bounty manager does not really guarantee that the token will be used for the project they are running, for example they provide a token that is different from the smart contract of the project they are running.
the point is we have to really pay attention to the bounties we are working on if something looks weird ask the team, if they don't satisfy you, leave immediately before the work feels useless.

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Quote from: Cryptofamele7 on May 27, 2021, 09:43:46 AM

We all know we are in crypto. We join for our own risk. We search and try to find out the best and most potential project promoted by trusted managers. However some project turned into scam and some may not pay the participants due to underestimating the hunters promotion with low traffic.

From the past and recent issues with regards to scam projects and unpaid balance for hunters.

How we can anticipate this matter? How the hunters be protected by the managers or they are just a toy to promote the project and yet the team doesn't want to pay as they are already in success?

Yes, it sounds impossible but let us just try to discuss this matter.

Managers can do nothing. If the project turns out to be a scam or fails, it is simply the risk that comes with bounty campaigns. The only thing that can reduce the risk is the manager's experience and his project research skills. If he can check the project and say that it credible, that's quite a lot. However, it's always best to research the project yourself.

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The purpose of every bounty promotion is payment for a certain tasks been done after a certain period of time, the only way to stay out of this anxiety is participating in bounty manged by highly reputable managers on the forum, if the campaign is not run by renounced managers, ask the team for an escrow and be sure you will be paid after the campaign come to an end.
If at all the project turns out to be scam and not listed on any exchange and the bounty reward was distributed to your wallet, you have no one to blamed not even the manager but yourself that failed to do a research about the project you were promoting, have this in mind, participating in few bounties out of hundreds is the best thing to do as a bounty hunter.

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How we can anticipate this matter? How the hunters be protected by the managers or they are just a toy to promote the project and yet the team doesn't want to pay as they are already in success?

Yes, it sounds impossible but let us just try to discuss this matter.

How can you anticipate that matter? then don'tJoin Bounty at all for sure you will never experience such cases.

because the more you participate is the more you giving consent those scammers to victimized you.

Bounty campaign would continue to exist because ICO projects are still continuing to exist which means marketing would be next in line.

Scam bounties and managers cant really be known because usually these shits would be looking legit and active while the project is on accumulation or fund raise but when everything is over then this is where true color pops out.

If hunters do continue to advertise these scams then it would continue to exist and this is why we should be careful on dealing on things. =

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Quote from: Cryptofamele7 on May 27, 2021, 09:43:46 AM

We all know we are in crypto. We join for our own risk. We search and try to find out the best and most potential project promoted by trusted managers. However some project turned into scam and some may not pay the participants due to underestimating the hunters promotion with low traffic.

From the past and recent issues with regards to scam projects and unpaid balance for hunters.

How we can anticipate this matter? How the hunters be protected by the managers or they are just a toy to promote the project and yet the team doesn't want to pay as they are already in success?

Yes, it sounds impossible but let us just try to discuss this matter.

Join a campaign that paid with tradable token, That is the only way to avoid getting scam with fake bounty offers. With increasing fee in ETH sending bounty rewards to bounty hunters is not cheap, so most of the time bounty hunters are left without getting paid. Even with BSC, sending token to thousands of participants will cost alot, specially if the project failed to raised money from their fund raising.

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Quote from: Cryptofamele7 on May 27, 2021, 09:43:46 AM

How we can anticipate this matter? How the hunters be protected by the managers or they are just a toy to promote the project and yet the team doesn't want to pay as they are already in success?

Yes, it sounds impossible but let us just try to discuss this matter.

How can you anticipate that matter? then don'tJoin Bounty at all for sure you will never experience such cases.

because the more you participate is the more you giving consent those scammers to victimized you.

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Quote from: viananda2525 on May 28, 2021, 02:07:29 AM

Quote from: irsykes on May 27, 2021, 11:47:33 PM

Almost all people have same answer, about not get paid or paid less than what is promised, escrow is the key. About bounty managers, we know they wouldn't give their reputation on risk only for picking any project without filtering it. I think bounty managers already did their best too but sometimes it developer's team who really change what already they said in bounty thread.

looks like bounty hunter still didnt care about escrow, they prefer working and speculate about payment if campaign finished. obligation of using escrow still debateable now and developers team still careless about their reputation , meanwhile bounty manager that will be the one who blammed by many people.

Honestly, me is one of it. I usually joined bounty campaign depends on bounty managers and total amount of rewards of the bounty itself. But see a project which suddenly change their reward pool without any announcement, i will think about project with escrow. But maybe bounty manager who get that bad experience will be more strict to pick bounty project that he will handle.

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That is why people who participate in bounties are bounty hunters. Not always a hunters returns with a prey. If someone ever been hunting, he knows that in most cases you did not get anything and return home with empty hands. Or you go with a team of hunters and shot something, but only one returns home with prey. Fishing - same situation. You can spend hours fishing and catch nothing. Silent hunting (mushroom, berry gathering) - you might get just a little reward. Nothing can protect hunters from being scammed. Escrow wont help either. What is the point of a 100% chance of receiving tokens or coins, that cost 0?

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Lets accept the reality that this is our fate being a Hunter, What we only need is to at least learn from time to time and not let being a victim forever.

There are some good projects happen in the past and until now there is some but we can count in hand so be careful.

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Quote from: Cryptofamele7 on May 27, 2021, 09:43:46 AM

We all know we are in crypto. We join for our own risk. We search and try to find out the best and most potential project promoted by trusted managers. However some project turned into scam and some may not pay the participants due to underestimating the hunters promotion with low traffic.

From the past and recent issues with regards to scam projects and unpaid balance for hunters.

How we can anticipate this matter? How the hunters be protected by the managers or they are just a toy to promote the project and yet the team doesn't want to pay as they are already in success?

Yes, it sounds impossible but let us just try to discuss this matter.

One question , Why not post on your main account? the way you make this post it is an obvious that you are an alt account and afraid of being attacked or punished by the managers who did not pay you?

sorry for this but that's the way i see things here.

you clearly said that joining Bounty in crypto means risking your own so that only means one thing also , that what your sentiment here does not reflect the reality because it is obvious that you don't know what you are saying.

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Quote from: irsykes on May 27, 2021, 11:47:33 PM

Almost all people have same answer, about not get paid or paid less than what is promised, escrow is the key. About bounty managers, we know they wouldn't give their reputation on risk only for picking any project without filtering it. I think bounty managers already did their best too but sometimes it developer's team who really change what already they said in bounty thread.

looks like bounty hunter still didnt care about escrow, they prefer working and speculate about payment if campaign finished. obligation of using escrow still debateable now and developers team still careless about their reputation , meanwhile bounty manager that will be the one who blammed by many people.

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We have to make sure we already know the project that we want to join as a bounty participant, moreover for signature bounty because we only have 1 space for our account. Joined their community chat such as telegram, ask everything that would like to know and explore their teams, if we already sure about the project, then we join the bounty

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I think there should be cooperation between managers and the community to get the best decision of the scam project to hunter, lately crowded with Studentcoin who do not want to pay hunter fully, and try to pay the manager through the back, but the manager is more concerned with the community, they prefer to attack the studentcoin project. Until now they've been trying to destroy it.

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The manager's job is to manage the bounty and organize the bounty. It is not their fault if the project decides to scam its participants - in which case the bounty manager also gets scammed by the same owners. Most hunters here dont realize that the manager is one of the participants helping in promoting the project as well. They are also at the mercy of the owners.

In clear words, there is no protection for the hunters. The manager may choose to use an escrow to keep the payment secured. But that does not negate the fact that the owners can declare those coins as zero value in future or never get listed on an exchange - either of which the tokens even if escrowed are useless to the hunters to get any sort of payment. I am sure no grocery store in your city accepts some shitcoin, but they "might" accept bitcoin or ethereum.

Hence I suggest people to go for signature campaigns that get run by reputed managers and forget the dream of collecting some shitcoin that will remain shit throughout its life.

Shit does not turn into gold. Period.

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Quote from: Kemarit on May 27, 2021, 08:34:16 PM

Or join a bounty or project in which the token is already listed on an exchange.

This doesn't guarantee the bounty hunters will be getting paid. There are some projects that already listed on exchange site like STC and AME. both were also abandoning to pay the rest of rewards to the hunters.
These projects are also manipulating the result because they were so greedy after reached the hardcap.
The escrow is the only best solution for the hunters right now. i don't see any other solution other than escrow.

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Almost all people have same answer, about not get paid or paid less than what is promised, escrow is the key. About bounty managers, we know they wouldn't give their reputation on risk only for picking any project without filtering it. I think bounty managers already did their best too but sometimes it developer's team who really change what already they said in bounty thread.

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Quote from: slashz9 on May 27, 2021, 10:59:43 PM

maybe by escrowing the token or allocating the total payment that will be given when the promotion is over, but only a few project / managers are doing that for now, and the ratio is arguably 90/10% for those who don't escrow.
but still without escrow people are still determined to join in and do the work, because they need money and don't have time to think about the risk.

escrow for unlisted tokens is just as ridiculous. except for projects that are already on the exchange, escrow will be very helpful. Honestly, no one can help bounty hunters with this problem. it all depends on the bounty manager and the bounty hunter itself. because everyone already knows the risks.

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maybe by escrowing the token or allocating the total payment that will be given when the promotion is over, but only a few project / managers are doing that for now, and the ratio is arguably 90/10% for those who don't escrow.
but still without escrow people are still determined to join in and do the work, because they need money and don't have time to think about the risk.

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It is true sometimes there are scam campaign, some are legit but on along the way it does not succeed, some are not doing they best to make it last, and so the hunters are the one who is victimized by these. that why we need to find some campaign not only legit but also will push through with the project and explain clearly the situation and paid their hunters fairly so that in the end if they will have another project they will be trusted

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on May 27, 2021, 10:07:43 AM

1. Escrow the bounty funds and make sure it's managed by trusted managers.
2. Never join any non-escrowed bounties if you fear the bounty won't paid you in the future.

Those 2 suggestions I provide above 100% will prevent from bounty scam and make bounty scam will go away since no one is interested.

This is a best solution and its already happening on BTC paid campaign but with regards to altcoin bounties, there's still no guarantee even if its have an escrow especially if the escrow fund is also the token itself. Since most of the bounties are new project, most of them have no funds yet to escrow the campaign but they still able to work with some managers because they come into an agreement for sure. If in doubt, don't participate scam projects are the risk for bounty hunters you should also anticipate this one.

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Quote from: Cryptofamele7 on May 27, 2021, 09:43:46 AM

How we can anticipate this matter? How the hunters be protected by the managers or they are just a toy to promote the project and yet the team doesn't want to pay as they are already in success?

Can't argue with some of it but they are right. Dont just join a random project hence pick an escrowed one or yet at least a reputable manager for altcoins. Cause surely no one will not received payment on btc signature campaign as mostly are handled by good managers. Its only on the case of altcoin where some who did campaign delay or doesn't pay the hunters even though the project is already running and trading stage. I am an altcoin bounty hunters before SO I knew how it feels to not get paid from a a campaign you did for so long.

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Nothing can be done about them. The investors of the project couldn't do anything as well when their money is already sent to them. They couldn't even cry about it especially if they submitted KYC.

What you can do is not join the campaign that is obviously a scam. There are only a few of them that are legit and it's hard to identify. ITs best to just join the BTC paying campaigns.

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Quote from: Cryptofamele7 on May 27, 2021, 09:43:46 AM

We all know we are in crypto. We join for our own risk. We search and try to find out the best and most potential project promoted by trusted managers. However some project turned into scam and some may not pay the participants due to underestimating the hunters promotion with low traffic.

From the past and recent issues with regards to scam projects and unpaid balance for hunters.

How we can anticipate this matter? How the hunters be protected by the managers or they are just a toy to promote the project and yet the team doesn't want to pay as they are already in success?

Yes, it sounds impossible but let us just try to discuss this matter.

This issue is mostly on ICO or project that launch crowdfunding there really risks here, risk of the failure of the project and risk of not getting paid, the best way is to only participate on a bounty that pays weekly directly in your wallet, bounty where the coin is already in the market, bounty where the token is escrowed by a reputable manager, we are all susceptible to scam project and it's something that we should analyze before joining one campaign.

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Or join a bounty or project in which the token is already listed on an exchange.

I agree with the ecrow, but majority of the project didn't want this so it's really a big risk joining bounties, even during the peak in 2017, there are a lot who exit scam and there's no protection for bounty hunters. Even experience bounty managers are victimize by this scammers. So it's a gamble, if you get lucky, then you will be rewarded for your efforts, but most of the time, majority of hunters are not. And their effort are put to naught.

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Quote from: Cryptofamele7 on May 27, 2021, 09:43:46 AM

How we can anticipate this matter? How the hunters be protected by the managers or they are just a toy to promote the project and yet the team doesn't want to pay as they are already in success?

This can be done only through escrow but the question is whether the developer wanna escrowing the reward or not. So many developers didn't lose control over the fund for the bounty.
The multi signature wallet can also be a solution for this problem but i think escrow must become a new standard in managing the bounty.
That's why joining in bounty it just like a high risk decision. Sometimes you won't get pair for your effort.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on May 27, 2021, 10:07:43 AM

1. Escrow the bounty funds and make sure it's managed by trusted managers.
2. Never join any non-escrowed bounties if you fear the bounty won't paid you in the future.

Those 2 suggestions I provide above 100% will prevent from bounty scam and make bounty scam will go away since no one is interested.

These are probably the best remedies to make sure that bounty hunters will be paid for their work but it will not guarantee if the project is a real deal. Bounty hunting is dying, scammers only flock this forum for free promotions. I used to joined a lot of bounties before during when the payment was really good until it became worse. There should be a reform in this, to stop abusers.

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You are right mate, there are many projects which have not paid us for our work to promote their project. Some projects always delay the Distribution and at the last time they refuse to pay reward. There can be two solution first bounty managers should escrow tokens before starting their bounty and second team should distribute tokens weekly.

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There were a lot of good bounty campaigns way back as well as scam campaigns. When choosing a certain campaign to join in, if is your sole responsibility as a bounty hunter to make sure that everyone in the team of the campaign you are joining are proven and tested to be worth working for. If ever you encounter one that is a scam due to your carelessness, unfortunately you cannot sue them as most of them are anonymous. So to avoid such instances, find those trusted moderaters or campaign managers and get a spot on their campaign specially if it looks like it will be successful soon.

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1. Escrow the bounty funds and make sure it's managed by trusted managers.
2. Never join any non-escrowed bounties if you fear the bounty won't paid you in the future.

Those 2 suggestions I provide above 100% will prevent from bounty scam and make bounty scam will go away since no one is interested.

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We all know we are in crypto. We join for our own risk. We search and try to find out the best and most potential project promoted by trusted managers. However some project turned into scam and some may not pay the participants due to underestimating the hunters promotion with low traffic.

From the past and recent issues with regards to scam projects and unpaid balance for hunters.

How we can anticipate this matter? How the hunters be protected by the managers or they are just a toy to promote the project and yet the team doesn't want to pay as they are already in success?

Yes, it sounds impossible but let us just try to discuss this matter.

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