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Quote from: newdevices on June 12, 2021, 07:38:29 AM

there are similarities in both, yes about technology, apple and crypto are both in the same category,
of course the future needs both, and maybe in the future crypto and apple will need each other,
crypto will need apple as a place to store crypto assets, yes crypto wallet, because the wallet must be installed on the device,
and the device is Apple, very interesting isn't it?

They have something that connects them but are different things in their core. Crypto will be bigger than apple with time since more and more adoptions will take place.

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Sorry but I think this comparison isn't fair, crypto is far different from Apple, first, crypto is not a company, Apple is, Apple is a centralized company owned by one or group of persons while crypto is a decentralized network where any body, and I mean absolutely anybody can build on, there's no way you compare this two without being biased, and the unfairness will always fall on the lower entity which in this case is Apple.
If you wanna be atleast a little fair in your comparison, then compare a single coin like bitcoin or Ethereum to apple and not the entire crypto market, in crypto, everyone and anyone can contribute to the growth of its market capitalization but in Apple, only the owner(s) can, I think you understand what I mean now.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on May 04, 2021, 01:22:36 PM

I know the current market capitalization can have a hard drop in the future, but right now is impressive to see it over $2T.

Well did that last, it wasn't right from the onset with your comparison. The recent raise in the marketcap of the crypto market has alot to with hype then actual development and adoption happening. Lets not forget the success of dogecoin saw many new meme projects coming into the space and that obviously brought in new money which many won't stay long as a dump will chase them all away just as it's currently doing.

A more accepted comparison would had been comparing Apple market cap to that of Ethereum since both are a company (platform). Comparing it to that of bitcoin won't had still been approximate as both aren't in the same category. Bitcoin is more of a currency than an asset, it been used as an asset is just an additional benefit due to the scarcity of her supply.

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there are similarities in both, yes about technology, apple and crypto are both in the same category,
of course the future needs both, and maybe in the future crypto and apple will need each other,
crypto will need apple as a place to store crypto assets, yes crypto wallet, because the wallet must be installed on the device,
and the device is Apple, very interesting isn't it?

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Apple is still doing well as long as they will be able to provide better products and development it just happen that bitcoin popularity and adoption hits too high now especially that crypto includes plenty of projects in it that helps many businesses or individual in their job or investment. Many investors from stocks already shift in crypto for wide variety of choices to trade which are actively have volumes.

I don't think Apple is providing better products... The differences between the old iPhone and the new one aren't big at all and the fact that the new phones come without charger talks really bad about the company. And they still sell their products overpriced, if they have right now this market capitalization is because they steal to their customers. They don't want to fix a hardware problem they will tell you how to buy a new one is the right way to fix the problem. And that isn't ethical at all.

At least when Jobs was alive even if the products were overpriced you knew you got quality as he was adamant about that aspect of his company, but like happened the first time he was forced to leave Apple the company lost its edge and soon enough the company was in trouble and it was not until he returned when the company flourished again.

But now this is not possible as he is gone, which is a shame as he died from cancer but he refused to take the recommendations of his doctors and paid the highest price possible for this decision.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on May 04, 2021, 01:22:36 PM

Today i realize the current market capitalization of the cryptos passes the Apple market capitalization... This is crazy because Apple is the company with the biggest market capitalization, and to see the cryptos market bigger than apple just means that bitcoins and cryptos are a bigger company even if it's decentralized.

I know the current market capitalization can have a hard drop in the future, but right now is impressive to see it over $2T.

It is nice to see that the cryptocurrency market has been growing and the market cap keeps getting huge everyday, as of today that I checked it is $1 Trillion. But, I think comparing the whole cryptocurrency market cap to Apple’s market cap is kind of unfair lol. If you’re going to be comparing it, then it should be one cryptocurrency market cap to Apple’s market cap, and currently none of them can match with it.

But, I believe that bitcoin will be the first to reach that level before any other cryptocurrency. It’s not going to be an easy feat to achieve, but it’s likely to happen.

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Quote from: elisabetheva on June 09, 2021, 02:37:14 AM

if you look at the current market cap difference, it is indeed very far away, the closest when bitcoin has also increased quite sharply, and even then the difference is 12 times and of course if you look at it it will probably be difficult to happen, moreover both are also increasing and there will always be a difference. especially now it has become 20 times the difference in the market cap.

but seeing the developments experienced by bitcoin which continues to increase sharply it could happen but it might take time and obviously there will be a long time difference that can happen, again in crypto it is quite strange sometimes it is difficult to predict and can experience a sharp increase but can also drop sharply.

The familiar path of altcoins. They rise so fast, and then everyone is talking about Bitcoin dominance dropping and alts move up quickly on coinmarketcap/gecko.

Then we see the hype fade. Hands drop bags,,, devs start doing trashy influencers.

Supply for alts never changes but burns. Prices dump.

Bitcoin wins:)

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Quote from: mindrust on June 08, 2021, 07:41:47 AM

I agree. Bitcoin can easily make another x100 from here and surpass Gold's market cap by ten folds. When that happens the battle between gold and bitcoin will be settled forever. Gold will lose its little monetary value there is and it will become a common dirt like copper.

I have not yet met such bold forecasts, in which the price of bitcoin was estimated in millions of dollars. It is possible that someday the price of BTC will increase to $1 million, as John McAfee predicted. And the next ATH price will reach $3 million, as you predicted)

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I agree. Bitcoin can easily make another x100 from here and surpass Gold's market cap by ten folds. When that happens the battle between gold and bitcoin will be settled forever. Gold will lose its little monetary value there is and it will become a common dirt like copper.

Just keep holding and buy more.

I don't necessarily agree with the part regarding gold being a common dirt if bitcoin has surpassed in a really large margin, I am pretty sure that gold will still find a niche market and people will always find gold as precious as it was discovered as hundreds of thousands of years ago, we are like birds, we like shiny things or at the least we find it entrancing.

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Quote from: zanezane on June 08, 2021, 07:27:23 AM

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Gold has a capitalization of approximately $12 trillion, which is currently 20 times the capitalization of bitcoin. Even if the bull run continues, it will take a very long time for BTC to match the capitalization of gold. But given the fact that the capitalization of BTC has been declining recently, this goal is becoming increasingly unattainable.

We just have to trust bitcoin market and see to it that we will be there when it reaches that market cap. People back then wouldn't believe that bitcoin would reach a trillion dollar market cap but look at bitcoin now, it did touch it meaning that there is a possibility that it will surpass it too someday.

if you look at the current market cap difference, it is indeed very far away, the closest when bitcoin has also increased quite sharply, and even then the difference is 12 times and of course if you look at it it will probably be difficult to happen, moreover both are also increasing and there will always be a difference. especially now it has become 20 times the difference in the market cap.

but seeing the developments experienced by bitcoin which continues to increase sharply it could happen but it might take time and obviously there will be a long time difference that can happen, again in crypto it is quite strange sometimes it is difficult to predict and can experience a sharp increase but can also drop sharply.

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Quote from: zanezane on June 08, 2021, 07:27:23 AM

Quote from: tvplus006 on June 08, 2021, 07:16:16 AM

Gold has a capitalization of approximately $12 trillion, which is currently 20 times the capitalization of bitcoin. Even if the bull run continues, it will take a very long time for BTC to match the capitalization of gold. But given the fact that the capitalization of BTC has been declining recently, this goal is becoming increasingly unattainable.

We just have to trust bitcoin market and see to it that we will be there when it reaches that market cap. People back then wouldn't believe that bitcoin would reach a trillion dollar market cap but look at bitcoin now, it did touch it meaning that there is a possibility that it will surpass it too someday.

I agree. Bitcoin can easily make another x100 from here and surpass Gold's market cap by ten folds. When that happens the battle between gold and bitcoin will be settled forever. Gold will lose its little monetary value there is and it will become a common dirt like copper.

Just keep holding and buy more.

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Quote from: tvplus006 on June 08, 2021, 07:16:16 AM

Gold has a capitalization of approximately $12 trillion, which is currently 20 times the capitalization of bitcoin. Even if the bull run continues, it will take a very long time for BTC to match the capitalization of gold. But given the fact that the capitalization of BTC has been declining recently, this goal is becoming increasingly unattainable.

We just have to trust bitcoin market and see to it that we will be there when it reaches that market cap. People back then wouldn't believe that bitcoin would reach a trillion dollar market cap but look at bitcoin now, it did touch it meaning that there is a possibility that it will surpass it too someday.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on June 01, 2021, 09:34:24 AM

Bitcoin is not a company but considered to be as an asset by most of its holders so the actual competitor for bitcoin in the market capitalization should be gold right. Grin

Gold has a capitalization of approximately $12 trillion, which is currently 20 times the capitalization of bitcoin. Even if the bull run continues, it will take a very long time for BTC to match the capitalization of gold. But given the fact that the capitalization of BTC has been declining recently, this goal is becoming increasingly unattainable.

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Quote from: dimonstration on June 07, 2021, 11:31:10 AM

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Apple is still doing well as long as they will be able to provide better products and development it just happen that bitcoin popularity and adoption hits too high now especially that crypto includes plenty of projects in it that helps many businesses or individual in their job or investment. Many investors from stocks already shift in crypto for wide variety of choices to trade which are actively have volumes.

I don't think Apple is providing better products... The differences between the old iPhone and the new one aren't big at all and the fact that the new phones come without charger talks really bad about the company. And they still sell their products overpriced, if they have right now this market capitalization is because they steal to their customers. They don't want to fix a hardware problem they will tell you how to buy a new one is the right way to fix the problem. And that isn't ethical at all.

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Quote from: Shenzou on June 02, 2021, 01:58:22 PM

I really think that companies like apple will slowly lose their market cap because of how thier bussnies model is, as for the cryptomarket in general it is a fairly new and for it hitting the market cap of 2 trillion is insane, especialy for bitcoin since it holds almost more than half, and that is whith the current price so i am sure that in a couple of years that we are gonna see bitcoin taking over and becomeing the number one go to investment especially if companies like tesla start investing in it.

Apple is still doing well as long as they will be able to provide better products and development it just happen that bitcoin popularity and adoption hits too high now especially that crypto includes plenty of projects in it that helps many businesses or individual in their job or investment. Many investors from stocks already shift in crypto for wide variety of choices to trade which are actively have volumes.

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Quote from: Fredomago on June 04, 2021, 12:44:31 PM

People are now being practical, and the competitions are very tight as many companies are also introducing different approach, but like what you have said, Steve Jobs established the brand and until now the company still harvesting the success of what he did, but sooner or later it won't be enough and the market will go to other directions.

It's applies to anything, if you can't sustain it the bigger chance that you'll lose investors, moving to Bitcoin now, it's what also happening right now, sideways and the money are moving out for a while.

Yeah I think what Steve Jobs did was one of the first leaders to really shape the company culture and attitudes, and that's translated into continuity even after he's gone. But that's a corporate thing and very opposite to what Bitcoin does, where there is no culture except the ones the separate communities decide to adopt. And there's no right or wrong or continuity:)

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To think that crypto is widely known today and often patronized and used. Thats why the market capitalization increase and surpass other like apple. However, they have different case use and comparing both market cap's wont be that reasonable.

But one of the reasons, the adoption plays a big role for crypto's market cap massive movement.

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There are various asset classes. Making a comparison doesn't make much sense. Apple makes useful gadgets, which crypto cannot, but crypto can be a better investment and currency. Both are beneficial in their own ways.

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Quote from: Shenzou on June 02, 2021, 01:58:22 PM

I really think that companies like apple will slowly lose their market cap because of how thier bussnies model is, as for the cryptomarket in general it is a fairly new and for it hitting the market cap of 2 trillion is insane, especialy for bitcoin since it holds almost more than half, and that is whith the current price so i am sure that in a couple of years that we are gonna see bitcoin taking over and becomeing the number one go to investment especially if companies like tesla start investing in it.

It is known that when it comes to apple products people are not only buying the product for what it can offer them they are also buying the product by the brand itself, and while this can be a great way to sell an inferior product at a high price eventually people realize what is happening and begin to look for better products at better prices.

So with that in mind the size of apple is bound to go down, a great deal of its value came from the influence that Steve Jobs had, but now that he is gone what we are seeing is just his legacy keeping the company afloat, but this is not going to be enough to keep it growing during the next decades.

People are now being practical, and the competitions are very tight as many companies are also introducing different approach, but like what you have said, Steve Jobs established the brand and until now the company still harvesting the success of what he did, but sooner or later it won't be enough and the market will go to other directions.

It's applies to anything, if you can't sustain it the bigger chance that you'll lose investors, moving to Bitcoin now, it's what also happening right now, sideways and the money are moving out for a while.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on May 04, 2021, 01:22:36 PM

Today i realize the current market capitalization of the cryptos passes the Apple market capitalization... This is crazy because Apple is the company with the biggest market capitalization, and to see the cryptos market bigger than apple just means that bitcoins and cryptos are a bigger company even if it's decentralized.

I know the current market capitalization can have a hard drop in the future, but right now is impressive to see it over $2T.

Indeed, the cryptocurrency market has grown significantly lately. If we consider cryptocurrencies as financial assets, then here is the answer to why the crypto market has a larger capitalization than Apple. It's all about finance. The fact is that more people want to make money on cryptocurrency than those who want to use Apple products. But I believe that this is not the limit for cryptocurrencies and the capitalization of the crypto market continues to grow.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on June 02, 2021, 04:34:53 PM

If we take a look at the market capitalization today bitcoin had a huge drop in the past weeks, we are not over Apple Cap anymore but at least was nice to be there for a moment.

That's why bitcoin is a high-risk investment, because in a couple of weeks the market can lose half a trillion, and that's a huge amount of money. But what can we say about it... Isn't cheap to build space spaceships, the money has to come from somewhere Grin

Exactly, to be honest comparing bitcoin market to a company is pretty stupid because it is entirely different plus it's more comparable to forex than stock exchange as they are both a currency. That's the beauty of bitcoin's volatility, you never know what you will get, and you can always enter whenever because the prices are going down.

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such a great feat indeed and that's just very little percentage of people actually uses bitcoin or crypto currencies, imagine if the coverage of cryptocurrency spreading across the globe and atleast 50% of population become bitcoin users, the market cap gonna be the biggest we as human gonna ever see but that's also mainly because bitcoin isn't limiting who can invest to this coin, so the capital coming to blockchain is really rapid and that's why the market cap could overtake Apple just within a decade though it's now already decreasing again.

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If we take a look at the market capitalization today bitcoin had a huge drop in the past weeks, we are not over Apple Cap anymore but at least was nice to be there for a moment.

That's why bitcoin is a high-risk investment, because in a couple of weeks the market can lose half a trillion, and that's a huge amount of money. But what can we say about it... Isn't cheap to build space spaceships, the money has to come from somewhere Grin

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Quote from: Shenzou on June 02, 2021, 01:58:22 PM

I really think that companies like apple will slowly lose their market cap because of how thier bussnies model is, as for the cryptomarket in general it is a fairly new and for it hitting the market cap of 2 trillion is insane, especialy for bitcoin since it holds almost more than half, and that is whith the current price so i am sure that in a couple of years that we are gonna see bitcoin taking over and becomeing the number one go to investment especially if companies like tesla start investing in it.

It is known that when it comes to apple products people are not only buying the product for what it can offer them they are also buying the product by the brand itself, and while this can be a great way to sell an inferior product at a high price eventually people realize what is happening and begin to look for better products at better prices.

So with that in mind the size of apple is bound to go down, a great deal of its value came from the influence that Steve Jobs had, but now that he is gone what we are seeing is just his legacy keeping the company afloat, but this is not going to be enough to keep it growing during the next decades.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on May 04, 2021, 01:22:36 PM

Today i realize the current market capitalization of the cryptos passes the Apple market capitalization... This is crazy because Apple is the company with the biggest market capitalization, and to see the cryptos market bigger than apple just means that bitcoins and cryptos are a bigger company even if it's decentralized.

I know the current market capitalization can have a hard drop in the future, but right now is impressive to see it over $2T.

Different asset classes. It doesn't make much sense to make a comparison. You cannot send and receive Apple stocks freely without getting disrupted like how you send and receive crypto. Financially, crypto made a huge run this year and surpassed Apple without a doubt. However Apple has been around for decades. Crypto is 10-12 years old. Maybe crypto will win in the long run, we cannot know it yet.

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I really think that companies like apple will slowly lose their market cap because of how thier bussnies model is, as for the cryptomarket in general it is a fairly new and for it hitting the market cap of 2 trillion is insane, especialy for bitcoin since it holds almost more than half, and that is whith the current price so i am sure that in a couple of years that we are gonna see bitcoin taking over and becomeing the number one go to investment especially if companies like tesla start investing in it.

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Quote from: enawati on June 01, 2021, 06:13:21 AM

The total marketcap of crypto reached over $2T, and BTC alone reached above $1T, this is amazing thing because BTC only need about 10 year to reached it, while Apple need longer. The total marketcap of crypto is still very low if compare with the total of stocks marketcap all over the world that reach over $100T, because cryptocurrencies still young market and in the future will keep growing.

If it will continue to grow, in fact not only with Apple, but also with Master Card and many other entities, the market capitalization has grown too much, in fact I think it compares with Apple for what it represents worldwide.

Apple has a stake in the Stock Market, has been in the stock market for years, therefore it is known by many investors worldwide, as interest in Crypto grows and especially in BTC the market capitalization will be much larger, in fact As the presence of BTC through Coinbase is on the stock market, it gradually makes the voice of BTC known, this is entering stealthily, which is not bad at all to be in those areas.

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I will discuss about these two, in terms of technology, they both have something special,
because the times will always need them, Apple is a good and famous brand, like Samsung, Xiaomi, etc.,
because they make chips, it's not surprising that Apple's marketcap is at the top brand, and crypto currency is now also a new brand that is ready to be needed by the world community,
take a look at this https://twitter.com/coinbase/status/1399721265993175400, yes Coinbase made a good first step

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Quote from: seoincorporation on May 04, 2021, 01:22:36 PM

Today i realize the current market capitalization of the cryptos passes the Apple market capitalization... This is crazy because Apple is the company with the biggest market capitalization, and to see the cryptos market bigger than apple just means that bitcoins and cryptos are a bigger company even if it's decentralized.

I know the current market capitalization can have a hard drop in the future, but right now is impressive to see it over $2T.

Cryptocurrency market isnt something we can called a company if we do really make out some comparison in between those top companies that do exist as of today.
Imagine on how many projects are engage into crypto world which it isnt really just surprising that it would able to surpass those companies existing when it comes to mcap
but doesnt mean that they do able to beat it up on some sense.They are on different markets so theres no point on making comparison but somehow
having these milestones only just for a decade is something that is great to see.

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We can still compare companies to crypto, or we can compare assets (gold, silver, oil etc etc) to crypto as well, hell we can compare price of one bitcoin versus one car as well, that is what lambo has been for so long, we want one bitcoin to worth as much as the best lambo right? Doesn't mean it is right, doesn't mean it is wrong, it is just something.

I personally feel like there is a good reason why we compare these, because we want to know how big it is. For example, when crypto was over apple that means you can consider this : crypto world is a bigger thing than what apple is to the world. That's a good thing, we love to hear those type of things, we are still in top 5, we are over almost every company, that's a good thing to know, I mean facebook owns all facebook+instagram+whatsapp and crypto is still valued more, which means we are bigger than them, that's a very good thing to know.

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Bitcoin is not a company but considered to be as an asset by most of its holders so the actual competitor for bitcoin in the market capitalization should be gold right. Grin

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Quote from: seoincorporation on May 04, 2021, 01:22:36 PM

Today i realize the current market capitalization of the cryptos passes the Apple market capitalization... This is crazy because Apple is the company with the biggest market capitalization, and to see the cryptos market bigger than apple just means that bitcoins and cryptos are a bigger company even if it's decentralized.

I know the current market capitalization can have a hard drop in the future, but right now is impressive to see it over $2T.

For me it doesn't matter, for what is important is that in cryptocurrency I got earned most of the time for a couple of years. Because, in Apple it
didn't help me actually. Meaning, I don't care about it my only concern is for the crypto business only. Though both of them I can't deny they are the same popular worldwide.

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The total marketcap of crypto reached over $2T, and BTC alone reached above $1T, this is amazing thing because BTC only need about 10 year to reached it, while Apple need longer. The total marketcap of crypto is still very low if compare with the total of stocks marketcap all over the world that reach over $100T, because cryptocurrencies still young market and in the future will keep growing.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on May 04, 2021, 01:22:36 PM

Today i realize the current market capitalization of the cryptos passes the Apple market capitalization... This is crazy because Apple is the company with the biggest market capitalization, and to see the cryptos market bigger than apple just means that bitcoins and cryptos are a bigger company even if it's decentralized.

I know the current market capitalization can have a hard drop in the future, but right now is impressive to see it over $2T.

That is true but the comparison doesn't make a lot of sense frankly speaking. If you want to compare the two, you should also take the whole industry that Apple belongs to the same way as you now take all cryptocurrencies. Whether you bring up the comparison or not, the amount of money in crypto is amazing.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on May 04, 2021, 01:22:36 PM

Today i realize the current market capitalization of the cryptos passes the Apple market capitalization... This is crazy because Apple is the company with the biggest market capitalization, and to see the cryptos market bigger than apple just means that bitcoins and cryptos are a bigger company even if it's decentralized.

I know the current market capitalization can have a hard drop in the future, but right now is impressive to see it over $2T.

Yes, it is quite impressive but let's not forget that the crypto craze has only recently grown to the number we see today, while Apple has had a steady growth.

Just for consoling purposes regarding the market situation, looking at the markets on crypto vs stock markets it does seem that NOT many markets are surviving whatever is happening right now, both stocks and cryptos are being hit with crypto the hardest of course but the overall patern is there.

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Quote from: Distinctin on May 13, 2021, 07:15:09 AM

We also have to consider that most altcoins are scams or not future on it. I guess the best way to compare is bitcoin vs apple and though Apple is still on the lead I'm pretty sure over time bitcoin will surpass the market cap of Apple and it will be next to gold.

it will be rank.. 1. Physical gold, 2, Digital Gold (bitcoin).

Bitcoin Rank moves too fast and any time sooner it may reach another milestone. In terms of where to invest next it will depend on our preference as trader or investors since they are both different market as well risk. Many still doubt BTC but knows how Apple works but the gains might be more if we know how to trade btc thank investing only at apple which will depend on how much we can invest to gain a profit faster.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on May 04, 2021, 01:22:36 PM

Today i realize the current market capitalization of the cryptos passes the Apple market capitalization... This is crazy because Apple is the company with the biggest market capitalization, and to see the cryptos market bigger than apple just means that bitcoins and cryptos are a bigger company even if it's decentralized.

Hold on, we're going to surpass apple's networth with bitcoin's marketcap alone in next few months. I mean there will be nothing to be glad on seeing total market capitalization is passing over apple's marketcap because it is a combined one by having both bitcoin and all other altcoins and we are all know how many altcoins are existing till date and how many are good and solving some problem of human beings.

Quote from: seoincorporation on May 04, 2021, 01:22:36 PM

I know the current market capitalization can have a hard drop in the future, but right now is impressive to see it over $2T.

Never be bothered about that. Right now bitcoin is trading around $50k level and in future after the bitcoin will be having its final ATH, I am speculating it will not come down near to $50k levels and even with any hard drop, we never need to worry about anything drastically to happen. It will happen but not in significant levels unlike previous drops.

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We also have to consider that most altcoins are scams or not future on it. I guess the best way to compare is bitcoin vs apple and though Apple is still on the lead I'm pretty sure over time bitcoin will surpass the market cap of Apple and it will be next to gold.

it will be rank.. 1. Physical gold, 2, Digital Gold (bitcoin).

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I always wonder whether the market cap is the true estimation because market cap is calculated by the price of the coin/token multiplied by the total supply but if seriously everyone decides to dump a particular coin or token then isn't it true that the market price of the coin will pummel and hence the market cap is just an illusion? I am only wondering and my concept about the market cap isn't crystal clear either.

Yeah we're starting to see that fake market cap unfold with the dips today. I've heard that Tether and other stables are what can mostly make up the total market cap of crypto. The stables can manipulate it like they did in 2017 and even now.

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Quote from: cmg777 on May 12, 2021, 05:07:30 AM

Apple is now a rotting Apple without the lead of Steve Jobs (RIP) as they really don't innovate as much with the new guy Tim Cook. All they have is a surplus of cash and the fact that they make high quality electronics. Other than that nothing hype going for them. Tesla is the new Apple if you ask me. Cryptos are in a different league than Apple they're all on a 24-7 market while Apple/Tesla are stuck in the 9:30-4pm market of old. I know FTX has added a token for both stocks to be traded there 24-7. If more exchanges add stock tokens then Apple would have more relevance.

It is true that the face value and innovations Steve was able to bring are not matched by his successor Tim but I was looking at the graph and Apple hasn't done badly at all. I mean crypto taking over doesn't necessarily tell that Apple is doing bad or declining although it might be, it only tells how the crypto industry has seen a gigantic growth especially with the involvement of Elon Musk into dogecoins and Bitcoins.

I always wonder whether the market cap is the true estimation because market cap is calculated by the price of the coin/token multiplied by the total supply but if seriously everyone decides to dump a particular coin or token then isn't it true that the market price of the coin will pummel and hence the market cap is just an illusion? I am only wondering and my concept about the market cap isn't crystal clear either.

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There’s a lot of comparison with regards to the worlds top companies against cryptocurrency, Bitcoin and apple seems to be compared most of the time though we are still behind by $1Trillion but if we’re going to compute the whole market cap of cryptocurrency, yes we already on the top of all. Apple is a big company and well diversified, while Bitcoin is still volatile that can change from time to time. Cryptos will continue to grow as expected by many, we can have a good companies supporting cryptocurrency soon.

I don't really know if Nokia has a contract with apple or has withdrawn and now affiliating with google, maybe that can also be a reason that the volume may have dropped. But however, crypto is highly in the increase and even coins not highly regarded are now increasing which helps definitely to grow the cryptocurrency market.

The categories carried by both are the same, namely about technology, but crypto currency and apple are something different,
where crypto currency is like a life in which it is a community, but apple is not a community that they build but about business,
yes this is the difference between the two , for sure you have to own crypto assets because they always increase compared to apple

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Quote from: tvplus006 on May 11, 2021, 03:57:33 PM

Recently, cryptocurrency exchanges such as Binance have started offering tokenized shares of companies, including Apple Inc. And this means that in this way, cryptocurrency exchanges promote the securities market among their traders, providing them with increased demand. Thus, money is taken away from the cryptocurrency market, and it flows into securities.

A very good point actually and I was not very excited with the news that now we can trade market shares at Binance and maybe other exchanges in the future. At the same time though I was wondering that there are traders and investors who were investing only into shares but not that we have platforms that offer both crypto and market shares of companies like Apple, this also means that the crypto community will see a growth in the number of traders because some of the fiat traders will also buy crypto now. I believe it's bi-directional and will benefit both markets.

The introduction and continuous flow of altcoins have kept the market interesting and although risky they constitute a big part of our market and one of the reasons why new investors are coming in all the time. New projects on the blockchain also mean a lot of new jobs.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on May 04, 2021, 01:22:36 PM

Today i realize the current market capitalization of the cryptos passes the Apple market capitalization... This is crazy because Apple is the company with the biggest market capitalization, and to see the cryptos market bigger than apple just means that bitcoins and cryptos are a bigger company even if it's decentralized.

I know the current market capitalization can have a hard drop in the future, but right now is impressive to see it over $2T.

Speaking seriously at this time many coins are boosted by manipulations and when market will witness correction then we will see Market loosing billions of funds with a swing.Apple on the other side have more liquid cash than US government of $185 billion approximately and Market cap of $2 trillion alone which can be down by 3-4% only with sharp fall in share prices.But if we talk about crypto market then it's too risky and volatile and have completely different working from Apple.Inc. People will not stop buying Apple products to invest in cryptocurrencies as they are not alternate to each other and have respective fields of working.So making comparison is not justified move.

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Apple is now a rotting Apple without the lead of Steve Jobs (RIP) as they really don't innovate as much with the new guy Tim Cook. All they have is a surplus of cash and the fact that they make high quality electronics. Other than that nothing hype going for them. Tesla is the new Apple if you ask me. Cryptos are in a different league than Apple they're all on a 24-7 market while Apple/Tesla are stuck in the 9:30-4pm market of old. I know FTX has added a token for both stocks to be traded there 24-7. If more exchanges add stock tokens then Apple would have more relevance.

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Quote from: crzy on May 11, 2021, 04:53:51 PM

There’s a lot of comparison with regards to the worlds top companies against cryptocurrency, Bitcoin and apple seems to be compared most of the time though we are still behind by $1Trillion but if we’re going to compute the whole market cap of cryptocurrency, yes we already on the top of all. Apple is a big company and well diversified, while Bitcoin is still volatile that can change from time to time. Cryptos will continue to grow as expected by many, we can have a good companies supporting cryptocurrency soon.

I don't really know if Nokia has a contract with apple or has withdrawn and now affiliating with google, maybe that can also be a reason that the volume may have dropped. But however, crypto is highly in the increase and even coins not highly regarded are now increasing which helps definitely to grow the cryptocurrency market.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on May 04, 2021, 01:22:36 PM

Today i realize the current market capitalization of the cryptos passes the Apple market capitalization... This is crazy because Apple is the company with the biggest market capitalization, and to see the cryptos market bigger than apple just means that bitcoins and cryptos are a bigger company even if it's decentralized.

I know the current market capitalization can have a hard drop in the future, but right now is impressive to see it over $2T.

When we do talk about breaking records then nothing beats out on what are the things been break by Bitcoin itself by means of marketcap and its non a surprising thing to happen

but eventually making out some comparison with other typical businesses or stocks or currency marketcaps isnt something that should really be to look upon.

Somehow seeing these numbers does signify that we are really progressing and adoption is indeed on the move.

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There’s a lot of comparison with regards to the worlds top companies against cryptocurrency, Bitcoin and apple seems to be compared most of the time though we are still behind by $1Trillion but if we’re going to compute the whole market cap of cryptocurrency, yes we already on the top of all. Apple is a big company and well diversified, while Bitcoin is still volatile that can change from time to time. Cryptos will continue to grow as expected by many, we can have a good companies supporting cryptocurrency soon.

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Quote from: Ararbermas on May 11, 2021, 04:14:44 AM

Apple is a big company and its older than bitcoin so it's impossible bitcoin can achieve easily the position where its now.. But you know bitcoin market is to heavy than apple and i believe there's a right time for bitcoin to take over that position..

Gradually, bitcoin is surpassing those popular companies market cap and we will never know how high it can be in the future. But there's some worries that are coming out lately and the what if starts about the upcoming end of this bull run.

Quote from: isaac_clarke22 on May 11, 2021, 12:10:17 AM

Well if you insist, the market cap of Bitcoin isn't yet in 2 Trillion like Apple.
Wait no further though as it will surely "break the wall" like you mentioned. Still in the end, you can't compare these two actually.

Time will come that bitcoin will surely reach that market cap soon.

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Quote from: Ararbermas on May 11, 2021, 04:14:44 AM

... Unfortunately on this point we can say it's too far but if you will compare the speed of growth rate of each every year perhaps you can say also that bitcoin has a potential to took those thrones in the future because in fact bitcoin market is wider than apple market. So what if?

Recently, cryptocurrency exchanges such as Binance have started offering tokenized shares of companies, including Apple Inc. And this means that in this way, cryptocurrency exchanges promote the securities market among their traders, providing them with increased demand. Thus, money is taken away from the cryptocurrency market, and it flows into securities.

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Quote from: Ararbermas on May 11, 2021, 04:14:44 AM

Apple is a big company and its older than bitcoin so it's impossible bitcoin can achieve easily the position where its now.. But you know bitcoin market is to heavy than apple and i believe there's a right time for bitcoin to take over that position.. Unfortunately on this point we can say it's too far but if you will compare the speed of growth rate of each every year perhaps you can say also that bitcoin has a potential to took those thrones in the future because in fact bitcoin market is wider than apple market. So what if?

You can consider Cryptomarket as a whole company who are working for only one goal, to give financial access to everyone and looking at the numbers we beat Apple in terms of total Market Cap. Well, bitcoin alone will take a lot of time or even an impossible things to happen but since Altcoins fill the shortage of Bitcoin, they can consider to work together and put the whole cryptomarket on top, we are growing over time and this is also a good technology.

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For crypto users they will say that crypto is better than Apple, and vice versa for Apple users they will say Apple is better than crypto. so here only the data will prove it. We as crypto users are very happy that the growth of crypto market capitalists is increasing day by day. With this data, crypto positions can be taken into account in world markets. it's just that some Apple lovers disowned us.

The ridiculous surge in the price of the market calls for celebration, so we may compare the crypto market cap with Apple but only an inexperience cryptocurrency investors will say crypto is better than Apple because there's no reason in comparing the two like that since they don't serve the same concept or purpose neither did they belong to the same setting

comparing can be done anytime with or without a surge in the price but comparing crypto to apple is like comparing orange to apple because they are not the same .
one is a company and one is not but for the people that say crypto is better i guess they dont own apple products but apple provides gadgets that are useful and crypto cant do that but crypto can be a better investment and a currency .
they are both useful in thier own ways

Absolutely but i believe the high level of Bitcoin enthusiast in some people is what makes them bold compare Bitcoin with a company like Apple cause they are happy for the Bitcoin market achievement. However, an ordinary individual can invest in Bitcoin while buying Apple stock If not like that but I dont think knowing the accurate market cap of Bitcoin is possible if we are to put OTC trading into consideration.

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Quote from: Ararbermas on May 11, 2021, 04:14:44 AM

Apple is a big company and its older than bitcoin so it's impossible bitcoin can achieve easily the position where its now.. But you know bitcoin market is to heavy than apple and i believe there's a right time for bitcoin to take over that position.. Unfortunately on this point we can say it's too far but if you will compare the speed of growth rate of each every year perhaps you can say also that bitcoin has a potential to took those thrones in the future because in fact bitcoin market is wider than apple market. So what if?

Bitcoin simply has a far bigger total addressable market(a.k.a. TAM) that it's highly likely for bitcoin to overtake AAPL in terms of marketcap. Everyone, at some point, will need an asset to park their money to either as an inflation hedge, or for self sovereignty; but not everyone strives/needs/wants to be an Apple shareholder.

Also, I mean, it's literally just more or less 2x away; definitely not something impossible to achieve with bitcoin.

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Apple is a big company and its older than bitcoin so it's impossible bitcoin can achieve easily the position where its now.. But you know bitcoin market is to heavy than apple and i believe there's a right time for bitcoin to take over that position.. Unfortunately on this point we can say it's too far but if you will compare the speed of growth rate of each every year perhaps you can say also that bitcoin has a potential to took those thrones in the future because in fact bitcoin market is wider than apple market. So what if?

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Quote from: ninkdwi on May 04, 2021, 02:13:57 PM

For crypto users they will say that crypto is better than Apple, and vice versa for Apple users they will say Apple is better than crypto. so here only the data will prove it. We as crypto users are very happy that the growth of crypto market capitalists is increasing day by day. With this data, crypto positions can be taken into account in world markets. it's just that some Apple lovers disowned us.

The ridiculous surge in the price of the market calls for celebration, so we may compare the crypto market cap with Apple but only an inexperience cryptocurrency investors will say crypto is better than Apple because there's no reason in comparing the two like that since they don't serve the same concept or purpose neither did they belong to the same setting

comparing can be done anytime with or without a surge in the price but comparing crypto to apple is like comparing orange to apple because they are not the same .
one is a company and one is not but for the people that say crypto is better i guess they dont own apple products but apple provides gadgets that are useful and crypto cant do that but crypto can be a better investment and a currency .
they are both useful in thier own ways

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Quote from: seoincorporation on May 05, 2021, 12:16:55 PM

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Well if you insist, the market cap of Bitcoin isn't yet in 2 Trillion like Apple.
Wait no further though as it will surely "break the wall" like you mentioned. Still in the end, you can't compare these two actually.

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I think this is not a good match up. Apple is one solid company and crypto market consist of different entity on it. Its bias to compared this with a single firm. Whole crupto market consists of majority of coins and tokens and these represent per each project am I right. Yes the overall performance resulted to that but why focus on comparing an old firm that has estabilshed its system versus crypto. One thing I knew, marketcap without tbitcoin is a falling ship.

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It's difficult to compare entirely the market cap crypto itself V.S. market cap of Apple.
But Bitcoin itself is good, that's why there is no list of the total market cap of crypto, it's by cryptocurrency, like for Bitcoin, Ethereum, etc.

But overall, it is a good news for everyone, combined all cryptocurrency market cap vs Apple. But again, some people may not consider it, especially for those people who are not into cryptocurrency or haters of cryptocurruency.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on May 04, 2021, 01:22:36 PM

Today i realize the current market capitalization of the cryptos passes the Apple market capitalization... This is crazy because Apple is the company with the biggest market capitalization, and to see the cryptos market bigger than apple just means that bitcoins and cryptos are a bigger company even if it's decentralized.

I know the current market capitalization can have a hard drop in the future, but right now is impressive to see it over $2T.

^ You know, market capitalization is not the thing you had to see for you to know if an asset or a company is doing well. There were a lot of incidences where companies and cryptocurrencies had big market caps but still lose and did not survive the game. Market capitalization most of the time is being held by the developers and early takers. If no one bought all those tokens/coins. It would be useless as hell. So, the only way to know if a company is winning is to see its entire asset price.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on May 04, 2021, 01:22:36 PM

Today i realize the current market capitalization of the cryptos passes the Apple market capitalization... This is crazy because Apple is the company with the biggest market capitalization, and to see the cryptos market bigger than apple just means that bitcoins and cryptos are a bigger company even if it's decentralized.

I know the current market capitalization can have a hard drop in the future, but right now is impressive to see it over $2T.

Maybe it will crash soon but if you look at longer run it will be much higher then $2T since there are so much good projects in crypto that will have mass implementation and all of that will lead it much higher in next decade.

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Data source: https://assetdash.com/
Bitcoin can take over the first position of Apple if BTC price doubles today price.
It is very possible in this bull run. If it doesn't happen in this bull run, it will happen in next bull run after 2024 halving.
If you believe that Bitcoin is in middle range of this parabolic curve, it is possible to pass through Apple.

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I read your comments guys, and as you say, bitcoin should be compared with gold and not with a company, but since cryptos and mac has a market capitalization that's why decide to compare them.

But here my point is that we break the wall, and cryptos right now have a bigger market capitalization than the company with the biggest market cap. This should make us all happy, is a big step for cryptos. Wink

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The only reason that Apple has a big capitalization is that they have a criminally expensive product that doesn't perform that well compared to other cheaper products that have better performance, I guess you could say that Apple products is a status symbol to look like you have a lot of money.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on May 04, 2021, 01:22:36 PM

I know the current market capitalization can have a hard drop in the future, but right now is impressive to see it over $2T.

Would this drop be caused by people cashing out or just turning into another asset in the future? Once they have realized that it's profitable to keep it in crypto, that will stay, I think unless another tragedy hits or something.

Quote from: mk4 on May 04, 2021, 09:22:53 PM

Comparing a company to projects/protocols isn't even a good comparison in the first place. And knowing that Bitcoin takes a huge chunk of the total marketcap to start with, it would probably make more sense to compare bitcoin to gold than a company.

I agree with you on this one. You can't compare it, but if we're talking about just "Assets" in general, it could be there could be an overlap of some sort. If you look at it fundamentally, it's different, but if you are looking at numbers and what they mean, I think it's okay. I guess the OP shows that there are many investors in the crypto market in terms of value only, not because it became like that in the first place.

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Comparing a company to projects/protocols isn't even a good comparison in the first place. And knowing that Bitcoin takes a huge chunk of the total marketcap to start with, it would probably make more sense to compare bitcoin to gold than a company.

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This is expected as we grow over time and its good that finally, cryptocurrency is being supported by many big institutions and individuals. We can go for more heights as long as we continue the path we’re taking right now. Maybe, one day bitcoin alone will take over the top spot in terms of market cap, the future is bright for us.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on May 04, 2021, 01:22:36 PM

Today i realize the current market capitalization of the cryptos passes the Apple market capitalization... This is crazy because Apple is the company with the biggest market capitalization, and to see the cryptos market bigger than apple just means that bitcoins and cryptos are a bigger company even if it's decentralized.

I know the current market capitalization can have a hard drop in the future, but right now is impressive to see it over $2T.

If it's just a realization and comparison of crypto which represents as a company, it's very impressive. And as we know, Apple and other popular companies won't just get a pump on their market cap because they're not as volatile as crypto.

The volatility thing of crypto makes it better but has always been risky yet truly rewarding.

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Quote from: ninkdwi on May 04, 2021, 02:13:57 PM

For crypto users they will say that crypto is better than Apple, and vice versa for Apple users they will say Apple is better than crypto. so here only the data will prove it. We as crypto users are very happy that the growth of crypto market capitalists is increasing day by day. With this data, crypto positions can be taken into account in world markets. it's just that some Apple lovers disowned us.

The ridiculous surge in the price of the market calls for celebration, so we may compare the crypto market cap with Apple but only an inexperience cryptocurrency investors will say crypto is better than Apple because there's no reason in comparing the two like that since they don't serve the same concept or purpose neither did they belong to the same setting

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Quote from: seoincorporation on May 04, 2021, 01:22:36 PM

Today i realize the current market capitalization of the cryptos passes the Apple market capitalization... This is crazy because Apple is the company with the biggest market capitalization, and to see the cryptos market bigger than apple just means that bitcoins and cryptos are a bigger company even if it's decentralized.

But with just a blink of an eye and some manipulations, the crypto market can have a crash. Unlike in Apple, where everything is stable because their products have a real use-case and demand grow. The market capitalization of crypto is the combined market cap of all cryptocurrencies, a thousand of it. Not appropriate to compare it to a standalone company.

The data might be impressive for us crypto-people but I think Apples' and Crypto market capitalization should not be compared.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on May 04, 2021, 01:22:36 PM

Today i realize the current market capitalization of the cryptos passes the Apple market capitalization... This is crazy because Apple is the company with the biggest market capitalization, and to see the cryptos market bigger than apple just means that bitcoins and cryptos are a bigger company even if it's decentralized.

I know the current market capitalization can have a hard drop in the future, but right now is impressive to see it over $2T.

for me this is not very impressive, because the crypto market capitalization that reaches $ 2T is not permanent and stable like some other market captions,
yes the nature of cryptocurrencies of course we all know that, high volatility is one of the special things for crypto itself, if this volatility can balance,
then this capitalization is of course a special thing too, look ahead, if Bitcoin is still above $ 40k in the next few years this is good for the market, if not then be careful

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There was a time when people just try to think compared crypto with facebook. And now we are compared with apple. In my opinion it is still underrated for crypto. No worries we do not need to wait much more time to cross gold market cap. And that day bitcoin will be second on that market and crypto will be the first capital genarator. That day will be our biggest achievement. And that news will be a slap for those country who still banned crypto in there country. Crypto its show time. Show the world how powerfull you are. And we are with you. And show the world that you have power ninjas like bitcoin, ethereum, Ripple, bnb, dogecoin. Lets grow together.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on May 04, 2021, 01:22:36 PM

Today i realize the current market capitalization of the cryptos passes the Apple market capitalization... This is crazy because Apple is the company with the biggest market capitalization, and to see the cryptos market bigger than apple just means that bitcoins and cryptos are a bigger company even if it's decentralized.

I know the current market capitalization can have a hard drop in the future, but right now is impressive to see it over $2T.

Nope, Bitcoin or lets say that whole crypto market isnt really just right for you to compared on a certain company but rather go target out with forex/stocks/indices if we are really serious
about total marketcap.
When do talk about surpassing out company caps then it had been breaking out records which is really impressive and soon we would see further breaking records which it isnt surprising.
In terms of adoption and recognition then this market is really getting some as we passed on year.
This do shows on how amazing this market is and wont be reaching out those numbers if it werent relevant.

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Checking the https://8marketcap.com/ put Bitcoin and Ethereum on 8 and 21 spot respectively is a better format, Cryptocurrency do not make the list of the marketcap which is reasonable. Bitcoin and Ethereum makes 60% of market that contain altcoins that will like lose 95% of their value in few months from now. I believe the volatility of bitcoin is reducing with time and could retain its spot on top 20

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For crypto users they will say that crypto is better than Apple, and vice versa for Apple users they will say Apple is better than crypto. so here only the data will prove it. We as crypto users are very happy that the growth of crypto market capitalists is increasing day by day. With this data, crypto positions can be taken into account in world markets. it's just that some Apple lovers disowned us.

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Today i realize the current market capitalization of the cryptos passes the Apple market capitalization... This is crazy because Apple is the company with the biggest market capitalization, and to see the cryptos market bigger than apple just means that bitcoins and cryptos are a bigger company even if it's decentralized.

I know the current market capitalization can have a hard drop in the future, but right now is impressive to see it over $2T.

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