Topic: cryptotipz scammed on Just-Dice (Read 2948 times)

Then they take what you've stolen and give the rest back to you? Or what's your point?

Dabs got back to me. He's still running his child-feeding thing:


so I sent him the 75 CLAMs.

This was really nice work by dooglus with the assist from Alex.  I'm so happy that everyone got their coins back and it's nice to see the community working together against scammers.

While I don't like the idea of you giving him his "winnings", I can't come up with a compelling argument that does not make you judge, jury and executor, so that seems reasonable.

I am amazed he was so foolish as to come back after scamming - "return to the scene of the crime"!  I wonder if all that has really happened is he'll be more clever if he scams in the future.

Ill refer you to one of my last post on polybit thread. I dont know if you followed this thread but dev did a little ICO. Pratically nobody bought this coin because it was too fishy. One dude from nowhere said on the forum that he bought like 3.7 btc worth of poly. After that, cryptotipz also claim like 2 btc of Poly. I found this little weird for an investment. So i decided to compare the created date of the obviously fack account (cryptoguides) and cryptotipz. This is exactly the same date (21 december 2013)... Mmm after that, i went to twitter and i see stuff like that on cryptotipz account:

CryptoTipz on Twitter:
24 juin 2015 - INSIDER NEWS: Polybit (POLY) will be pumped tomorrow on C-Cex. Do not miss out, load up now. Mark my words ...

He tried to delete all his tweet since couple of days, but you still can get it from gooogle. This is clear he has something to do with this scam.

I heard nothing from him yet. I'll try PMing him:

Got any links and proof of that? just interested in it.

Cryptotipz is a fucking scammer, he his the guy under recent polybit and PROpayment scams.

Yep, my vote is on donate to charity.

Seems like a happy ending.  KD seems to be trying to get back on the straight-and-narrow.  GL, KD, be nice!

I decided to send KD his remaining 827 CLAMs back, and asked if he wanted to make a donation to charity or anything from them first:


If not, I'll send the 75 CLAM to Marty's crypto for kids charity, as listed on http://clamclient.com/bazaar/.

I'll post an update here when I hear back from Dabs.

In all seriousness, we already know KD is gonna gamble and lose all his clams again. He's a degenerate dicer, the worst degenerate there has ever been too - he turned 1 btc into 1000 btc and failed to cash out ANY of it before losing it all. 200 clams to 6000+ and oh look he has 800 left now...not a penny cashed out either too hes said...


Why save the misery of him losing the funds and have it given to charity which it will serve a better purpose then fueling his addiction further?

His poor girlfriend - apparently he told her hes stopped gambling and that hes bettering himself and all - if only she knew how much of a con man and degen he is. Hopefully she will discover this before its too late down the road for her heart. I send my prayers out to his girlfriend in hope that she will realize hes not a guy she deserves...

*Prays*

This kind of thinking is the exact same thing that is wrong with the law system in sweden! Here you get a "bonus" if you do 2 crime. Do 1 crime, get full time, do 2 crimes and get half of on the second one!  This should hurt KD's wallet as much as it hurt mine and V1

It's not stealing, it's the fine for the crime committed


I tipped you and V1 50 clams each also!

But in the end I want to hear what KD's says about the 800 left! If the coming true part just was a try to save his own skin! What if you didn't had found out that it was him?

The answer is in the question: because it's his...


That's a dick move for sure. But does it give us the right to steal his coins.


He gambled the 1000 you sent him to 1400, stole it from you, then lost it all on bitdice. Then he bought some more CLAMs, won a bunch from them, and you got your 1400 back from those winnings. The remaining ~827 CLAM is what's left of his winnings, from a separate deposit on a separate account. So he's not getting any kind of profit from scamming, and is possibly taking a 800 CLAM loss, refunding 800 CLAMs to v1 that he possibly didn't steal.


v1 tipped me something like 100 CLAM already. I figure dealing with this kind of mess is part of the job. Although I guess a lot of sites wouldn't do it.

Ha, I guess in many contexts there would be the whole "which charity do you want me to donate these confiscated funds to" question,  but in the face of the evidence which has been posted it seems that since everyone has been made whole, it makes sense to return what's left over to KD.  Nevertheless, in this scenario Doog doesn't get  cut even tho he's done quite a bit of extra work to track down what happened and straighten it all out.  So there should be some argument made for Doog just keeping some portion of it for his troubles.

I think Blue is right, if we give KD the rest back it's just wrong! Why should he get he's money back? Does he even know how much pain he inflicted in my personal life by doing this!! And that he kept on talking to me like nothing happened, asking me personal question to soothe his conscience. But I think it's right to ask KD what he want's to be done with the money, but he  shouldn't be given them back!! That's like saying it's ok to scam people, you'll get the profit you make back! If you rob a bank, take the money and win on blackjack, the court will never let you keep any of the "profit", why should this be different?

That's quite the 2 cents...

I think the consequence is that he was caught, realised I was about to publish the evidence, and so he confessed before I did it. It looks better if he confesses because it was playing on his conscience rather than me posting proof. The consequence is also that his coins are taken and used to pay back psy and v1. It's possible that he's telling the truth, and he was merely impersonating "tasha" - it which case he's out 800 of his own CLAMs on the deal. That seems like punishment enough. I don't see how we can justify taking his whole balance when there's no evidence that it isn't rightfully his.

If KD wants to offer up a portion of the remaining 827 CLAM to fund a promotion, that would be cool - like how he said he was OK with given the 800 CLAM to make v1 whole. But that's up to him, and not something I can justify forcing upon him.

KD/cryptotipz, I know you're reading this. What do you have to say?

Hey whattup Master doogson just came by to drop my 2 cents in ...imo i think that kd souldnt get shit back ...if it sounds wrong to anyone then you guys are idiots if he doesnt get any consequences for his terrible actions then he wont learn a thing ..as well as any other scammers..he should be left with nothing like psy would have been if it wasnt for you.he shouldnt getanything maybe 1-5 clam if thateven 5 1000% max but he needs to have consequence ifhe gets 800 clam then hes still coming up i think the remainder of the clams should be split up 300 clams diveded equally between you psy v1 and me..lol jk but really think should be split up evenly 100 for you 100 for psy n 100 for v1 then the remaining clams should be ussed for some type of promotion / giveway for all current users(not new)or i guess like everyone has been saying tip everyone but i think some type of game/promo/giveaway would be a lot more fun and prob help everyone on getting their minds off that bs that had happened with kd v1 and psy...just my 2 cents ty

Psy didnt lend to him, Psy gave coins to him to gamble with and both to get profits off it. Eitherway everything got fixed now and as Cyrax said, we got tip confirmation and escrow system,.

Loans aren't allowed on JD and everybody there is reminded of it constantly.  More-so recently because of KingDice.  Can't really help it when the JD chat room is used more as a proxy for people that PM each other organizing these ridiculous gambling loans.

On another note, I suppose we can thank KingDice for pushing Dooglus to implement the new Tip Confirmation and Escrow systems?

I vote pay v1rt back his loan and give the guy back the CLAMS he won.

Next time he fucks around in JD like that his shit gets taken.

Everyone walks away happy that way.

Can't really scam the scammer sadly .

There are people on Just Dice who are willing to lend out ~7.7BTC without collateral and to top that off it was a gambling loan I don't think I have seen anyone even try to take out that large of a loan without collateral by anyone with any kind of reputation.

I would also think that those types of loans would be banned on JD as they would only cause problems (as evidenced by this thread), and there is probably not any kind of reputation system on JD.

The obvious solution to this would be to return any excess CLAMs that are not used to repay any loans he took out. Anything else would be scamming him, which is not a good thing to do, even if he is a scammer.

justice has been served, at least a little, which is very nice to see 

if you can't decide what to do with the leftover clams, what about some kind of promo/prize? the way I understand it, it was investor money KD won with his scam money, and those investors would surely agree to some additional traffic to get it back.

Very interesting how everything turned out, and I'm overjoyed to see that the funds were returned to Psy and V1rt alike. Regarding the remaining Clam I believe they should be split between the detectives You (Dooglus) and V1rt. Without v1rt this would have most likely never come to light at all and without your follow up it would have been at a stand still.  Great job v1rt and doog for taking action against people that try to scam.

I'm not a lawyer, but as a citizen and so-far so-fair member of the world, I do know that grand larceny is punishable by large fines and possible jail sentence. Cryptotipz has admittedly stolen 1400CLAM/11.19587BTC (at time of writing). That is not petty.

As a generally trusting and non-violent human, I'd like to see his coins returned to him and for him to be a productive member of the crypto community. He appears intelligent, so this is another example of a good mind wasted.

However, I feel if his coins are returned, it will red alert the rest of the scammers to an easy target. If stealing and getting caught carries a punishment of simply a "reset", then why would a scammer go anywhere else to try and steal?

Keep his remaining 800 balance. Find any balances he has on any other associated accounts.

If we have to be nice about it, let him decide what to do with it, but returning it to himself shouldn't be an option.

KingDice, you are better than this. Get your shit together and do positive in the community, or get out. In the real world, you'd go to jail. Consider how peaceful and kind most everyone has been to you even when it was a bit obvious that they shouldn't be. We are somewhat a family, don't stab us in the back.

Dooglus, thanks for proving every day (for the most part) why playing at just-dice.com is the safest place to play.

Alex, I don't know you, but thanks for your help as well. I will check your site out now due to your efforts in keeping the players safe.

-TigerTatas

He should never have won anything Dooglus. I would gift it out to the victims of the scam in all honesty. Hes a degenerate who will never stop, hes shown us that at least 5 times and I called him out for def being a future scammer about 2-3 weeks ago - oh look turns out I was right...

After scamming KingDice, the 'richie' scammer gained access to KD's password, due to KD posting it on IRC. I saw that KD had logged in from the same address as 'charles ray' and figured that meant that richie and charles were the same person. But in fact it meant that KD and charles were the same person.

Of course, maybe KD faked posting his password in IRC and is in fact richie too, and is responsible for all of richie's scams too. I don't know any more - that's just wild speculation. KD swears he didn't scam anyone except psygambler, but KD has shown him self over and over again to be dishonest and so that claim is not worth anything.

Edit:

richie ranting on QD's account:


KingDice talking to himself before faking the mistip:

I remember you mentioning that the 'charles ray' account was on the same IP as the bittrex-richie account.   Not too sure how that would tie into any of this, but there it is.

As I understand it, the 800 coins that were stolen from v1 were lost almost immediately (and may not even have been stolen by KingDice, although he said he was OK with me repaying v1 with his coins) and the 1400 stolen from psygambler were lost on bitdice already. The 3000 coins I froze were mostly new winnings made by the "BadyDice" account. It seems to me like KingDice had debts of 1400 (plus maybe 800) which have now been paid off. I understand the "he's a scammer, take all his coins as punishment" point of view, but don't agree with it.

Keep the coins as "raffle coins" to use for any upcoming giveaways that would happen.

but can you really say they are his? I see what you are saying about returning the others but the fact is if he did not steal those coins he would not have them. You could argue that he came clean and deserves to keep the winnings but I don't believe a thief gets to keep the things he has stolen even if he has plead guilty. My opinion however is hes getting off very easy hes not being prosecuted, but if you let him walk away with almost 2k usd earned from stolen money it would numb the sting of his actions surely.

Well, Dooglus described it in full there's not much I can add to this story.

I do like the tendency that we can stop scammers and I appreciate Dooglus's cooperation on this and his willingness to help. However it was more like I was helping Dooglus with it and he did all the hard work.

Regards,
Alex

But I have logs on my Skype talking to Kinddice about my losses during the desperation of gotten scammed! How i emptied my all btc saving to try to win it back. (stupid as it sounds) Blue know it too, talked to him during that time thru msg in chat

So the loss was all because of King, lost another 6 on Fortune jack, so emptied every btc i owned.

I'm not begging or anything, just think that would be the right thing to do!

If you do a crime, you pay the victim for the mess caused! That's how it's done in court!

But ok if you got another better solution. Because I'm still happy for you saving my ass with the 1400

It would be fun to give the left over coins to a bot to gamble with until they were gone. But they're not mine to do that with.

I've given v1 his 800 back, since KingDice said he would be OK with it even if I gave him 1000. So there's 827.68994335 left.

If I don't find evidence of any other scamming by KingDice I figure I give those back to him.

I hesitate to ask if anyone else was scammed by KingDice, because I worry it will bring forth a horde of people trying it on. But - well, were you?


I can see how that would work for you, but would it really be right? I don't see it.

You can claim that you only gambled because he took your coins, but that doesn't make it right to take back your losses from him.

I think the splitting part between me and V1 would be the right one, then we can tip the one we want to give some extra clams.

Personally I would give a chunk to v1 and psy and tip the rest as the winnings don't technically belong to him. You could argue that it should go back into the bankroll except he was gambling on two sites it would be hard to defend who gets what.

Suggestions for what to do with the other 800 CLAMs:

1. 14:29:32 (1148325) → (1) <@dooglus> If theres was 3000 clams looked on baby dice account, he should pay my other loss of 800 clams in the desperation on getting my scammed money back

1. On June 27th, Just-Dice player tasha borrowed 800 CLAMs from v1rtu0so and never paid them back. The 800 CLAMs were lost playing dice. v1 didn't go public about the scam, hoping that tasha would return and he could somehow get his coins back.

2. On July 3rd, Just-Dice player psygambler was approached by cryptotipz calling themselves KingDice and talked into lending him 1000 CLAMs to gamble with. KingDice claimed to be able to win, and said he would return the winnings.

KingDice managed to turn the 1000 CLAMs into 1400 CLAMs, and was trying to use the /tip command to return them but accidentally sent the coins to the wrong userid.

The CLAMs were immediately withdrawn from the site by the wrongful recipient, and so there was no way the tip could be reversed.

Much discussion followed with people arguing about whether it was a genuine mistake or not.

3. About a week ago, 'tasha' was seen on bitdice.me bragging about how she had stolen from v1rtu0so:



Shortly after that she lost heavily:



After talking with v1rtu0so and Alex (owner of bitdice.me) it turned out that the tasha on bitdice had the same IP address as KingDice at Just-Dice, and blockchain analysis show that she was playing with the same 1400 CLAMs that belonged to psygambler but had been 'accidentally' tipped to a third party by KingDice.

4. Yesterday, a new player arrived on Just-Dice, calling themselves BabyDice. BabyDice told v1rtu0so about how he had recently lost 1300 CLAMs at bitdice, giving details that only tasha@bitdice would know. Careful analysis of the JD logs showed me that this was KingDice. He won a bunch of CLAMs and I froze his account. I challenged him about his scamming. He claimed twice to have no connection to KingDice, but finally admitted that he was the same person. Then he denied having ever played at bitdice, that he had made up the story he told v1 based on things he had heard.

5. And now, BabyDice made this statement on Just-Dice:


http://privatepaste.com/96c3226416


So I've returned the 1400 CLAMs to psygambler, since that is undoubtedly the correct thing to do.

It is unclear to me what to do with the remaining 1600 CLAMs. KingDice has said to v1 "if Doog decides to give you a 1000 from me just because I was rude and played on it, I am fine with it" - so I figure I should return the 800 CLAMs v1 is out. That leaves 800 more CLAMs.

I need to check the logs and see if there's anyone else KingDice has defrauded.