Topic: Curious Question About Making First or Second Page on a Thread (Read 344 times)

Honestly I also feel the same way but to me there is nothing I can do about that, this is due to my nature of work. I work 6 times a week and I have to leave as early as possible and also have to come back late so I don’t get to spend much time on this forum as I really want to, but each time I come back from work I try as much as possible to make sure I visit this forum everyday.

Actually you got a point. Sometimes even me, if the thread is longer then I seldom read the latter post and focus on the first one since most replies already been answered on those first few response but it doesnt mean sometime the topics or open ideas from the last one arent important it just that some prefer to post first, and maybe their idea already been said so instead of posting then rather not.

Whilsts that might be true in some topics, it cannot be generalized as it all depends on the topic/subject that is being discussed, as well as the users that are participating in the said discussion, there are threads that garners attention right from the first page to the last, and by last i mean down to the fourth page and even more. Mind you too that the best brain/contributor to a topic can make their first post on it in the 3rd or 4th page or even more, like i said in my earlier response in this thread, how much time you have to yourself per day in RL determines how quick you respond to a topic, the most knowledgeable person about a particular subject might be busy in RL when that topic is posted, and when they are less busy to join in the conversation, it has already gone past the 2nd page, and despite that, their reply remains a constructive and quality one.

Having said that, mind you that spammers still make posts in the first pages of new topics, they don't care what you think about them, they just say whatsoever they want and move on; you might be correct in the aspect of merits because only few people read a thread above the second page or so, but again there are exceptions based on the subject that is being discussed and how the discussion progresses.

Don't get upset mate coz other forum users are way faster than you do to write in the first two pages. My little addition to this is that, you go below any board you are very active and usually write often, click on Notify new topic and do so to the Email or Gmail registered with your account and you'll get notifications immediately a new topic drops. All that need be, is for your internet connection to be on.

Notifications drops approximately 4-5 minutes time.

I don't think it's a huge problem to reply to a discussion after the first or second page has already been reached. Because a response on a page after the first and second one could offer more context and understanding than the prior one, the original poster and other readers may also benefit from it. I've seen numerous posts where the first respondent's response is disputed by a second individual for not precisely answering the question. Since this is a forum, there should be more discussion on various observations related to the issues that have been posed.

Very interesting observation OP.
Most of the members you mentioned are reputable members of this forum who contribute to the community with their posts and help other forum members.
I don't think these are the demands of their signature campaigns.
In fact, the vast majority of signature campaigns on this forum require writing in the gambling section of the forum, and all the main topics in that section have hundreds of pages, so members really have no choice 
In most other topics on the forum, quality answers can already be found on the first page of the discussion, so there is no need to write and participate in the discussion on the next pages.

Maybe this is some kind of general opinion, but there are still exceptions, as I already wrote in the previous post, so it is possible for the discussion to be constructive and positive even after 2 or 3 pages, especially if it is about something that most spammers do not understand, and they do not try to participate in the discussion.

As for merits, it is true that the first post usually gets the most merits, but here is an example where I got 9 merits on page 4 after more than 60 posts in that topic. There are always exceptions, and that's why I say that it makes sense to read the posts and try to be constructive in relation to the previous posts.

The first and second page gets all the attention. It also contains sometimes the best brains and best contributions. A spammer would always avoid the first and second thread pages because he can be easily dictated. The first two pages also attracts the highest merits.  

The users mentioned above have a very good knowledge of Bitcoin and the forum in general; they have more ideas and are actively involved in all types of discussions in the forum, which means they are always ready to provide solutions and help as needed; whereas some users need to do more research about the OP, understand it, and then come and share their own thoughts about the post.
Although there are some users who are very active in various sections and are the first to provide solutions to any problems or interact with the OP because they are very knowledgeable about the forum.

@Cryptomultiplier, everything that other members wrote commenting on your observation is mostly correct, but still there are always situations when it makes sense to post in the same thread that has even 10+ pages (the example from @DdmrDdmr) which is actually desirable because we can have all the information in one place, without the need to open new threads.

In some situations, even I will not refrain from answering on page 3, 4 or 5 of a thread if I think that my opinion is significantly different from others or if I have some relevant information that may be important to others. Although it seems difficult, sometimes it makes sense to read even a few pages in order to better understand or learn something, without having to write anything.

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@DdmrDdmr, your second link is broken (actually doesn't exist).

Regardless of campaign requirements considerations, which I can understand will be in the back of the mind for some, generally speaking, many thread’s spark dies down after the first bunch of posts, where the question or subject matter has been discussed, leading to rather repetitive answers thereon, and what’s worse, answering the OP without having read the flow of the conversation where something relevant may be added in accordance, but likely not so regarding the OP itself.

Some threads deal with ongoing or evolving situations, and therefore will receive posts that add substance to the thread in this context. That’s generally when it makes sense to keep on posting on a megathread such as this one. From the perspective on someone who reads a fair share here on the forum, many threads overdo their need such as this one (in my opinion), and I generally do not enter threads that go beyond a few pages unless, as stated, the topic is a lively evolving one.

You named the accounts of people who have been on the forum for a long time and constantly. What will be new for them in megathreads? In general, I am surprised at the patience of some of the users you named, who, day after day, answer newcomers' questions that are repeated once a week. 
Of course, you should not think for too long that the reason for such quick answers is knowledge of the issue, but also the rules of the company signature. 
What's bad about it? Having asked a question, the user instantly receives an answer. And everything else is just opinions and a variety of views on the issue. But after the third page, the topic turns into a chewed-up edition of the above-answered posts. 
Add the page you are interested in to your favorites to see new topics regularly, and you will always be aware of new topics.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=39.0

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Personally, apart from Mega thread about football in the gambling section that I contribute to a few times in a week and our local section, I usually like to express myself in the first page mostly and then the second or third if I don't see it on time, my reason being that I like my contribution to a topic to be read, and mostly I think someone going through a topic looking to gain something often may just have the stamina to read through the first three pages before they start skimming (skim reading).

Well, let me point it out here that my signature campaign does not require me ~ (or simply put) does not have the "Making sure posts are in first or second page" rule in its number of rules.
This is just a posting habit I developed myself into,  I rarely, not saying that I don't,  but I rarely post on topics or threads with 3 pages and over,  if the topic seems interesting to me,  I read through the thread and simply ignore hitting the reply button,  and if at all, I decide to reply or comment on such a thread,  I must make sure I am not repeating what others or another user have said, or it can be me correcting another user's wrong assumption, perspective to or based on the topic of discussion.

By the way ~ Good observation.

You are not obliged to reply to a thread, but you still have the means to read like NeuroticFish mentioned above my reply. Just move on to the next topic of your interest if you feel that your response would be either not visible or become repetition or both.
This forum has a plenty of boards and/or threads to offer where you can hop in and join into conversation, so I am pretty sure that should not be an issue for you, OP. I hope.
Just don't go necroposting.

Indeed, the later you get to answer, the more posts you have to read in order to ensure you are not repeating somebody else.


It's all about activity. I am on your list and I can tell you that in many cases I skip a topic completely (i.e. I'm reading, but not answering) because everything I could say there has been already said. But no biggie, the forum is big, there are always interesting topics to be discussed. Or for reading. Also don't forget that there's also a world outside of computer; you can easily do something else for a while and then come back.

Goshhhh...! This is exactly the same solecistic barriers we are  battling every single day and yet,it replicates... I mean, you can prolly run some preview on your post just so you don't repeat the whole phrase. That being said, most campaign rules don't support post bumping but I don't think that's enough reason why those dudes avoid an already compacted thread;  when once a thread increases in page number, there are likely some repetitions and that, of course may limit you from getting merited: that's if you wrote something brilliant. N/B merit sources
barely visit a 5+ pages thread except for important ones,the likes of the one on speculation board
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Why should you, it isn't a competition anyways, remember the number of users that are actively online every minutes, you can also do yourself a favor by just clicking on the notify me botton which automatically sends you notifications on your mail on every new created threads on the selected board.


It's never a must to comment on a post if you think you got nothing new to reply aside the ones posted, we have a lot of threads, boards and sections where you can finds your reply important


Nothing hard in achieving posting first on a thread than replying to the thread immediately after the thread was created but must be a quality post, whereas no any campaign requires that you post first, just be active online with your data always on, track a board and you're good.


There are many users that post regularly and were very active on the forum and does not join a signature campaign, JayJuanGee is another example among others, remember everyone has different motives for coming on board here, i advise you discover yours as well.

The campaign I'm on requires only a limited amount of posts to be made in threads exceeding a certain number of pages. This is however not the reason I make replies often on higher up pages.

Generally, quality discussions on most threads last for only a while, and a huge percentage of opened threads now should be locked already cause it has been extensively discussed and the current replies are redundant. If I stumble on a post that has already been answered to, (if it's a question) or I don't have a new suggestion from what's been said, I have no reason to reply.

There are of course megathreads, exceeding 5+ pages, with quality and relevant conversations. Excluding those, users who comment on certain megathreads do so, cause they either do not read previous replies or just want to boost their post count (one reason some campaigns do not accept many of such posts)

That's probably how they post and makes them effective posters as well because there would be no repetitive responses on the OP. It should be like that every time, but that's not possible every time if you aren't able to check the pages to which you can contribute. It is normal if you aren't posting for posts only. It should be quality and not repetitive, and then it's okay.

The thing that matters is the thread that you are posting in and not the page you post in, if it is a thread that the discussion is a quality and constructive one, and it goes on way past the first, second, third or even fourth-fifth page and so on, then there is no problem posting in a later page on such topics, because for the topic to still be ongoing, it means the discussion is still interesting and not redundant, the only thing you'd do is to read a couple of replies on previous pages so you'd know how to shape your own reply and how you can be constructive with it.

Having said that, there are spam mega-threads, these are topics that the discussion was over many pages before, but the discussion continues with redundancy and unnecessary replies, in most of these topics users plagiarize quite a lot, they just copy what a user posted in the first page and paste it in the 10th or so page; posting in such topics isn't advisable and bounty managers might not be happy with that.

But overall the forum rule isn't against a users posting in any page of a thread you like, but if you care about the forum and want it to be a decent place for people to discuss, you'd select topics to reply to and report topics that are filled with spam for moderators to decide what to do about them. Take note too that how early you reply to a post somewhat depends on how your day went in RL, if you have a busy day, you might meet topics late, but if you are always active in the forum and less busy in RL, you prolly will have the likelihood of joining discussions pretty quick and early.

To understand what are issues for discussion in a topic, you must read OP, the opening post. It is a must start and later you have to read posts after the OP. It is an additional reading step to get flow of discussion and to know the issue in OP already answered and solved or not.

If it was answered but not solved, you can join discussion and help if you have good answer.

If it was solved completely, you can just read. If you don't have your question such as need more explanation for the final answer, you should not post anything.

When you join a discussion, you join to help or join to get help.

So you're blame those members because they're faster than you? then you should learn how to type quicker with 10 fingers.

If the times posts is close, even though both of the posts contain same point, I'd say the second user didn't copying from the first user. But if it's already 5 pages+ and the discussion didn't continued to more deeply, that's the real repetition and spam since it just repetition from 10+ members opinion.

Don't get mad if someone is faster than you, as long as your post didn't get deleted, it means you're correct.

Campaign managers would like people that make post in the first page while some like Bestchange have it in its rules for post in pages more than 5th page would not be counted, but what that matters is to have a quality post, there are posts on the 3rd page or more that might require quoting, but it is good to followed the thread and know what exactly is going on than just repeating what others have posted.

I am unhappy most times when I miss posting a reply on the first or second page of a thread. This is because I think that my response may be a repetition. Another reason is that I am concerned about it's visibility. For instance, since I joined this forum some months ago, I have been keen to notice that some certain users such as mk4, Lucius, NotATether, jackg, Fivestar4everMVP, Upgrade00, Poker Player, *franky1, NeuroticFish, pooya87,hatshepsut93,hugeblack,GreatArkansas and a couple of others usually make either first or second page on most of the boards. Is this because they feel the same way as I do or because their signature campaign requires that they make first or sencond page. I know that franky1 is not in any signature campaign so I am curious to know. Is this normal? And are there other users who feel this same way too?