Current pattern [bullish]: Cup and Handle

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Quote from: bitcoin carpenter on November 16, 2013, 01:04:44 PM

Quote from: hieroglyph on November 16, 2013, 12:50:42 PM

this is what I like to see, just wish I had seen it way sooner haha... sigh...

My spidey senses are telling me to go all in but my brain keeps second guessing it. Undecided

Clear sign that a trap is coming...

Clear sign that we have a ways to go. If people still have reservations, they haven't thrown caution to the wind yet. When they do, the final spurt will come in this run.

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Quote from: hieroglyph on November 16, 2013, 12:50:42 PM

this is what I like to see, just wish I had seen it way sooner haha... sigh...

My spidey senses are telling me to go all in but my brain keeps second guessing it. Undecided

Clear sign that a trap is coming...

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this is what I like to see, just wish I had seen it way sooner haha... sigh...

My spidey senses are telling me to go all in but my brain keeps second guessing it. Undecided

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Great respect to OP

SheHadMANHands

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bump for epic cup and handle (at least arguably). One of many contributing factors, no doubt.

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Not sure if my silver cup and handle image worked! I can't see it anymore, heres another attempt

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The greatest cup and handle of our time? Shocked

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Just remember, the length of a coastline changes with the length of the ruler. In other words, a matter of perspective.

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Sine secretum non libertas

the cup with handle pattern is really a tautology, not a pattern. when something makes a major bottom, then it goes up. but since there is volatility in the process, and markets are self-exciting (hawkes process), they make short-term peaks, which pull back. if the bullish reading is wrong, then the lip of the cup becomes a shoulder, and the trend continues down. the same sequence of past bars, with a different sequence of future bars, can be called a head and shoulders pattern. when the handle forms fully and price exceeds the previous short-term high - the trailing rim of the cup - then the possibility remains that the trend is up.

because it is a tautology, it is reliable. because the market can in fact do anything, and does not have to respect logic, it is not entirely reliable.

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Am I the only one who read something totally different in the title Cup and Handle before clicking the thread?

lol

Zangelbert Bingledack

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So the price targets where the cup would be if it were turned into a hat? So targeting 260 + 260 - 60 = 460? Sounds decent for now. Just a tad more consolidation to go...

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Quote from: NamelessOne on October 28, 2013, 12:02:37 PM

Quote from: afbitcoins on October 28, 2013, 11:34:38 AM

Quote from: Rannasha on October 28, 2013, 11:20:32 AM

Quote from: SheHadMANHands on October 27, 2013, 06:49:26 PM

Quote from: freethink2013 on October 27, 2013, 06:20:03 PM

These people come up with arcane theories based on no real examination of the market but completely on the shape of the charts make me laugh. No clue was had that day.

There's two things:

1. Supply.
2. Demand.

Actually pretty solid reason behind the cup and handle:
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/cupandhandle.asp

That's hardly a solid reason being mention in that link, it's not even a reason. It's just a description what supposedly happens in the pattern.

Most technical "analysis" is more like astrology, pseudo-science trying to divine occult patterns from observations without proper application of scientific methods. There is a point to be made for round number and previous ATH/ATL values acting as a psychological barrier (support/resistance), but most of the other line-on-chart-drawing seems to be rather silly to me.

Why trash Technical Analysis in the Speculation forums ? Do you prefer we just pull numbers out our asses ? Why are you here ?

+1, TA is simply the analysis of the psychology of people playing out on the market. It is really quite fascinating.

+2 exactly. And the proven percentages are extremely high (never guaranteed) that once the price breaks out from the "handle" above the rim of the "cup" (long-time resistance) subsequent immediate gains will be substantial. The percentages favor a gain target of: Target price = Price @ "rim of cup" + [price @ "rim of cup" - price @ "base of cup"]. This has proven out for me personally over many years in many markets. Will it play out for BTC at this point? I'm betting that way.

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Quote from: SheHadMANHands on October 28, 2013, 05:58:04 PM

Clear rocket launch pad forming IMO:

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So I take it you are a little bullish? Wink

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Clear rocket launch pad forming IMO:

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Quote from: afbitcoins on October 28, 2013, 04:09:57 PM

Technical Analysis doesn't claim to be scientific and has nothing to do with science. But that has nothing to do with its usefulness

TA simply attempts to apply mathematical formulas to the mass psychology of financial markets.

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Technical Analysis doesn't claim to be scientific and has nothing to do with science. But that has nothing to do with its usefulness

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As always, for a successful trader, each method or pattern is only one piece of information among many.

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I'm also bullish for the coming weeks. But not because of that cup and handle pattern.
Simply because of the increasing awareness on Bitcoin.

Quote from: NamelessOne on October 28, 2013, 12:02:37 PM

+1, TA is simply the analysis of the psychology of people playing out on the market. It is really quite fascinating.

TA is the attempt to analyze the market psychology. Most prediction methods in TA are not based on sound empirical evidence and are simply not reliable in the long term.

Regarding pattern analysis: You can always interpret different patterns from the very same chart. Patterns can evolve over time - so what seems to be a cup and handle pattern now could be a double top later...

However I think it is indeed useful to pay attention to volume and advance/decline slopes to come to conclusions about market force and possible exhaustion of a rise/decline in price.

ya.ya.yo!

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Quote from: JimboToronto on October 28, 2013, 12:24:43 PM

Quote from: afbitcoins on October 28, 2013, 11:34:38 AM

Why trash Technical Analysis in the Speculation forums ? Do you prefer we just pull numbers out our asses ? Why are you here ?

Not all speculators are TA devotees. While I don't dismiss TA personally, I do take it with a large grain of salt when applied to Bitcoin.

Even scientists have been known to check their horoscopes. It's fun.

Do you not take it with a grain of salt when applied to other markets? Why is bitcoin any different?

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Quote from: afbitcoins on October 28, 2013, 11:34:38 AM

Why trash Technical Analysis in the Speculation forums ? Do you prefer we just pull numbers out our asses ? Why are you here ?

Not all speculators are TA devotees. While I don't dismiss TA personally, I do take it with a large grain of salt when applied to Bitcoin.

Even scientists have been known to check their horoscopes. It's fun.

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Quote from: afbitcoins on October 28, 2013, 11:34:38 AM

Quote from: Rannasha on October 28, 2013, 11:20:32 AM

Quote from: SheHadMANHands on October 27, 2013, 06:49:26 PM

Quote from: freethink2013 on October 27, 2013, 06:20:03 PM

These people come up with arcane theories based on no real examination of the market but completely on the shape of the charts make me laugh. No clue was had that day.

There's two things:

1. Supply.
2. Demand.

Actually pretty solid reason behind the cup and handle:
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/cupandhandle.asp

That's hardly a solid reason being mention in that link, it's not even a reason. It's just a description what supposedly happens in the pattern.

Most technical "analysis" is more like astrology, pseudo-science trying to divine occult patterns from observations without proper application of scientific methods. There is a point to be made for round number and previous ATH/ATL values acting as a psychological barrier (support/resistance), but most of the other line-on-chart-drawing seems to be rather silly to me.

Why trash Technical Analysis in the Speculation forums ? Do you prefer we just pull numbers out our asses ? Why are you here ?

+1, TA is simply the analysis of the psychology of people playing out on the market. It is really quite fascinating.

afbitcoins

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Quote from: Rannasha on October 28, 2013, 11:20:32 AM

Quote from: SheHadMANHands on October 27, 2013, 06:49:26 PM

Quote from: freethink2013 on October 27, 2013, 06:20:03 PM

These people come up with arcane theories based on no real examination of the market but completely on the shape of the charts make me laugh. No clue was had that day.

There's two things:

1. Supply.
2. Demand.

Actually pretty solid reason behind the cup and handle:
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/cupandhandle.asp

That's hardly a solid reason being mention in that link, it's not even a reason. It's just a description what supposedly happens in the pattern.

Most technical "analysis" is more like astrology, pseudo-science trying to divine occult patterns from observations without proper application of scientific methods. There is a point to be made for round number and previous ATH/ATL values acting as a psychological barrier (support/resistance), but most of the other line-on-chart-drawing seems to be rather silly to me.

Why trash Technical Analysis in the Speculation forums ? Do you prefer we just pull numbers out our asses ? Why are you here ?

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Previous trades indicate current positions. Current positions influence future trades.

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Quote from: SheHadMANHands on October 27, 2013, 06:49:26 PM

Quote from: freethink2013 on October 27, 2013, 06:20:03 PM

These people come up with arcane theories based on no real examination of the market but completely on the shape of the charts make me laugh. No clue was had that day.

There's two things:

1. Supply.
2. Demand.

Actually pretty solid reason behind the cup and handle:
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/cupandhandle.asp

That's hardly a solid reason being mention in that link, it's not even a reason. It's just a description what supposedly happens in the pattern.

Most technical "analysis" is more like astrology, pseudo-science trying to divine occult patterns from observations without proper application of scientific methods. There is a point to be made for round number and previous ATH/ATL values acting as a psychological barrier (support/resistance), but most of the other line-on-chart-drawing seems to be rather silly to me.

afbitcoins

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For fun, heres a giant one in silver spanning decades

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Quote from: freethink2013 on October 27, 2013, 06:20:03 PM

These people come up with arcane theories based on no real examination of the market but completely on the shape of the charts make me laugh. No clue was had that day.

There's two things:

1. Supply.
2. Demand.

Actually pretty solid reason behind the cup and handle:
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/cupandhandle.asp

Of course, it's really all an attempt to determine what's most probable of happening next. It's not like "oh, gee.. obvious cup and handle. 100% we're going through the roof soon". 55% confidence would be pretty profitable.

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These people come up with arcane theories based on no real examination of the market but completely on the shape of the charts make me laugh. No clue was had that day.

There's two things:

1. Supply.
2. Demand.

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There is no cup and handle pattern happening.

However, what is happening now seems to be a microcosm of what the market has done since April, with a the bottom a few days ago being similar to the one in July.

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Yes 2 days was a short "handle" but obviously it wasn't done forming yet, and still isn't. Still looks on track to me though:

Zangelbert Bingledack

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Yeah, after a week or so of bouncing around $200 there will be more of a handle.

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Quote from: JustAnotherSheep on October 25, 2013, 07:33:02 PM

6 month cup and 2 day handle? Seriously?

Good point. Make the handle longer...

I don't think we're going to be able to make the cup smaller.

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6 month cup and 2 day handle? Seriously?

SheHadMANHands

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Since this got no love earlier.... and it took me freakin 10 whole minutes to artistically assemble... Cool

The mother...

Of all of the cups...

And every handle that ever lived...

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Seems too good to be true, but I guess we'll see. May be some more consolidation in order first.. Some unexpected, random whale dumps can always fck up any pattern in Bitcoin.

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yes.

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Ultranode

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Read more about the cup and handle: http://stockcharts.com/school/doku.php?id=chart_school:chart_analysis:chart_patterns:cup_with_handle_cont

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The Cup with Handle is a bullish continuation pattern that marks a consolidation period followed by a breakout. It was developed by William O'Neil and introduced in his 1988 book, How to Make Money in Stocks.

As its name implies, there are two parts to the pattern: the cup and the handle. The cup forms after an advance and looks like a bowl or rounding bottom. As the cup is completed, a trading range develops on the right hand side and the handle is formed. A subsequent breakout from the handle's trading range signals a continuation of the prior advance.

Cup:

Handle:

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