David Benavidez Vs Demetrius Andrade Interim WBC Super Middleweight title fight

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on December 02, 2023, 04:18:41 PM

I read this article about Benavidez and this is what he says,

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“I feel like Canelo does need me,” Benavidez told Pro Box TV. “If he really wants to cement his legacy and make big fights happen. At the end of the day, he’s fighting for money too. He gets paid a lot. I think if he wants to keep getting paid like this then this is the biggest fight to make. Boxing needs this fight.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/david-benavidez-i-feel-like-canelo-needs-me--179688

I think this is true, I mean who wouldn't want big money at the end of the day? And so if Canelo claiming to be one the best in this era then he should really give the young Benavidez at chance to fight him for money and legacy.

And it's good that we see this in media, so that Canelo will be pressure somewhat to listen to his fans and non-fans to give David a fight next year.

In the year 2024, we will see if Canelo will give the young and hungry Benavidez a chance to fight him, Mayweather gave him a chance when he was an up-and-coming boxer back then so why not return the favor and give Benavidez a chance to prove himself, he doesn't want to leave boxing questioning his legacy because he avoided a fighter like Benavidez.
Canelo mentioned a lot of fighters in his list but never Benavidez and this makes us believes that he tries to avoid Benavidez because he believes that what happened to him against Bivol could happen again here.

I'm locking this thread now, let see if there will be a change of minds and the Canelo will agreed to fight Benavidez.

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I read this article about Benavidez and this is what he says,

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“I feel like Canelo does need me,” Benavidez told Pro Box TV. “If he really wants to cement his legacy and make big fights happen. At the end of the day, he’s fighting for money too. He gets paid a lot. I think if he wants to keep getting paid like this then this is the biggest fight to make. Boxing needs this fight.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/david-benavidez-i-feel-like-canelo-needs-me--179688

I think this is true, I mean who wouldn't want big money at the end of the day? And so if Canelo claiming to be one the best in this era then he should really give the young Benavidez at chance to fight him for money and legacy.

And it's good that we see this in media, so that Canelo will be pressure somewhat to listen to his fans and non-fans to give David a fight next year.

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Quote from: Japinat on November 30, 2023, 06:41:19 AM

Quote from: Jating on November 30, 2023, 05:24:06 AM

So still everything is in the hands of Canelo right now and it looks like he is not going to make his decision any time soon. Most likely he will go on and enjoy the holidays with his family and maybe January will be the time frame to see which fighters will he chooses to fight.

Canelo is done for this year, he'd made two successful fights this year and won via UD. He deserves a break and to enjoy with his family, but certainly he'll come back next year with a new fight, hopefully against someone who could really match him, like the fans will be puzzled a bit on who will win. I know against Benavidez the fans would stil favor Canelo, but at least they'll not think it's going ot be a one sided fight.

On the case about Canelo not fighting a fellow mexican, I think money can change this mind, so let's just watch out for that PATIENTLY. Grin

But most likely he will take his vacation to really think who he will really wanted to face next to defend his belt. If Benavidez is the interim champion WBC champion, then as the regular champion Canelo should honor and fight David.

And yes, I don't know what Canelo says that he doesn't want to fight a fellow Mexican when we all know that there are few Mexican that we know of that campaigns in his division or even none for that matter, this is just a excuse on his part.

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Quote from: Japinat on November 30, 2023, 06:41:19 AM

Quote from: Jating on November 30, 2023, 05:24:06 AM

So still everything is in the hands of Canelo right now and it looks like he is not going to make his decision any time soon. Most likely he will go on and enjoy the holidays with his family and maybe January will be the time frame to see which fighters will he chooses to fight.

Canelo is done for this year, he'd made two successful fights this year and won via UD. He deserves a break and to enjoy with his family, but certainly he'll come back next year with a new fight, hopefully against someone who could really match him, like the fans will be puzzled a bit on who will win. I know against Benavidez the fans would stil favor Canelo, but at least they'll not think it's going ot be a one sided fight.

Yes, most likely though he will have to take another long rest, usually he fights on Cinco De Mayo, as it's usually a weekend holiday, I expect that maybe next year he will announce who's fighter he is going to face and then have that at that preferred date of him.

Quote from: Japinat on November 30, 2023, 06:41:19 AM

On the case about Canelo not fighting a fellow mexican, I think money can change this mind, so let's just watch out for that PATIENTLY. Grin

If the money is right on the table? yeah for sure he will chance his mind and fight Benavidez next, it's really up to how big the money is for him and definitely if David wanted to fight him, he will agree on a pay cut just to get that chance.

And speaking of that, I've seen title of Floyd Mayweather telling Canelo to do that as he also gave Canelo his chance to fight him when Alvarez was not even a house hold name and couldn't speak English if I remember it correctly. It was Oscar who gave him that big break coming into the America and being seen for the first time by the American crowd and boxing fans. They couldn't believe that he is Mexican because of how Canelo looks.

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Quote from: Jating on November 30, 2023, 05:24:06 AM

So still everything is in the hands of Canelo right now and it looks like he is not going to make his decision any time soon. Most likely he will go on and enjoy the holidays with his family and maybe January will be the time frame to see which fighters will he chooses to fight.

Canelo is done for this year, he'd made two successful fights this year and won via UD. He deserves a break and to enjoy with his family, but certainly he'll come back next year with a new fight, hopefully against someone who could really match him, like the fans will be puzzled a bit on who will win. I know against Benavidez the fans would stil favor Canelo, but at least they'll not think it's going ot be a one sided fight.

On the case about Canelo not fighting a fellow mexican, I think money can change this mind, so let's just watch out for that PATIENTLY. Grin

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^^ Of course their first choice is Canelo, but it seems that Canelo has the same reason why they don't want to fight David Morrell. So it will just go round in circles. So unless Canelo bring his oath of not fighting another Mexican, or think that David Benavidez deserves it with 2 great wins against Caleb Plant and Andrade, then it will be a go.

So still everything is in the hands of Canelo right now and it looks like he is not going to make his decision any time soon. Most likely he will go on and enjoy the holidays with his family and maybe January will be the time frame to see which fighters will he chooses to fight.

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Speaking of David Benavidez next opponent, here is what his father has to say,

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Jose Benavidez Sr. says WBA ‘regular’ super middleweight champion David Morrell needs to prove himself by defeating Caleb Plant before a fight between him and David Benavidez would make sense.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/11/jose-benavidez-sr-says-david-morrell-should-fight-caleb-plant-to-prove-himself/

So he literally shuts down the idea for his son to fight David Morrell although Morrell has the belts. And I don't know why the name of Caleb Plant has surfaces. But in any case it will be trash talking game if we imagine Plant vs the Charlo brothers.

This might be a good fight, boxers hating each other with animosity.

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Quote from: robelneo on November 28, 2023, 06:57:10 PM

Quote from: Jating on November 28, 2023, 04:05:47 PM

We can only judge a boxer from their last fight and it seems that Canelo still have the pop in his punches against Charlo and that he won that fight, let's put it that way. But maybe if he will fight a legit 168 lbs, like David Benavidez, not like a Charlo who hasn't been in this division, although he can make weight, but still he hasn't fight in this weight class and he is a super welterweight unified champion.

So that is a big discrepancy already. So we will see him being tested if he is prime not against a young fighter, who is very hungry, wanted to proved that he will be the next king of the MW division and that is Benavidez. We can also hope that Canelo wanted to fight him next, Mexican vs Mexican brawl.

I read one article in my feed I'm trying to find that article so I can post it here but Benavidez is not on Canelo's list, his options are Munguia Crawford, Spence, and the other Charlo he just feels that Benavidez is not yet qualified to be on his list even though the boxing community and the Benavidez camp is demanding it, unless there's a big push for the fight to happen, Canelo will again cherry pick opponents and Benavidez will be looking for another fight to prove that he is the new king.

That's a questionable hit list for Canelo, and obviously this two, Crawford and Spence are 147 lbs, so just like Charlo he needs to go up 3 weight class, this is not what we expect from Canelo, but obviously good money fights. Munguia? Not another name fighter, so why he will give him that chance? Jermall his original target just won against a blown up 154 lbs in Benavidez Jr. It this is what Canelo wanted then it will be a big question on his legacy.

And fans are not going to agree with his choices here, we are clamoring him to give Benavidez a chance. And if he doesn't want to, then he is afraid of the young DB, in my opinion.

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Quote from: robelneo on November 28, 2023, 06:57:10 PM

Quote from: Jating on November 28, 2023, 04:05:47 PM

We can only judge a boxer from their last fight and it seems that Canelo still have the pop in his punches against Charlo and that he won that fight, let's put it that way. But maybe if he will fight a legit 168 lbs, like David Benavidez, not like a Charlo who hasn't been in this division, although he can make weight, but still he hasn't fight in this weight class and he is a super welterweight unified champion.

So that is a big discrepancy already. So we will see him being tested if he is prime not against a young fighter, who is very hungry, wanted to proved that he will be the next king of the MW division and that is Benavidez. We can also hope that Canelo wanted to fight him next, Mexican vs Mexican brawl.

I read one article in my feed I'm trying to find that article so I can post it here but Benavidez is not on Canelo's list, his options are Munguia Crawford, Spence, and the other Charlo he just feels that Benavidez is not yet qualified to be on his list even though the boxing community and the Benavidez camp is demanding it, unless there's a big push for the fight to happen, Canelo will again cherry pick opponents and Benavidez will be looking for another fight to prove that he is the new king.

I believe that the Andrade fight is enough for Benavidez to qualify to be on his list because Andrade and Benavidez are two fighters that are being avoided by many boxers and Andrade took the risk to fight Benavidez because this is the fight to get into Canelo's list.

I think it's time for the boxing organizations to decide that Benavidez should be the mandatory opponent.

And If I also remember though, when Canelo sign with Al Haymon, it was reported that his target is Charlo (either of the twins), Benavidez and Morrell. So their could be changes for Canelo's 3 fight deal with PBC.

Benavidez also targets Munguia as well, and even to go as high as 175 lbs for Bivol and Beterbiev. Also another video of Benavidez surfaces when he was till very young at 18 years old and been a sparring partner of GGG and discusses the power of Golovkin that time.

So let's see why Canelo is still not interested to give Benavidez the chance to fight him.

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Quote from: Jating on November 28, 2023, 04:05:47 PM

We can only judge a boxer from their last fight and it seems that Canelo still have the pop in his punches against Charlo and that he won that fight, let's put it that way. But maybe if he will fight a legit 168 lbs, like David Benavidez, not like a Charlo who hasn't been in this division, although he can make weight, but still he hasn't fight in this weight class and he is a super welterweight unified champion.

So that is a big discrepancy already. So we will see him being tested if he is prime not against a young fighter, who is very hungry, wanted to proved that he will be the next king of the MW division and that is Benavidez. We can also hope that Canelo wanted to fight him next, Mexican vs Mexican brawl.

I read one article in my feed I'm trying to find that article so I can post it here but Benavidez is not on Canelo's list, his options are Munguia Crawford, Spence, and the other Charlo he just feels that Benavidez is not yet qualified to be on his list even though the boxing community and the Benavidez camp is demanding it, unless there's a big push for the fight to happen, Canelo will again cherry pick opponents and Benavidez will be looking for another fight to prove that he is the new king.

I believe that the Andrade fight is enough for Benavidez to qualify to be on his list because Andrade and Benavidez are two fighters that are being avoided by many boxers and Andrade took the risk to fight Benavidez because this is the fight to get into Canelo's list.

I think it's time for the boxing organizations to decide that Benavidez should be the mandatory opponent.

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Quote from: Viscore on November 27, 2023, 01:52:25 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on November 27, 2023, 12:29:41 AM

^^ Yes mate, and I do agree with what Porter says, his analysis is spot on and I think majority of the members here see that one. It's the youth of DB that really give problems to Canelo. And then you have to think about the power and the stamina being young to be able to go toe to toe with a not so prime Canelo at this point.

When Canelo moved up, Dmitrii Bivol was the champion, making it challenging to expect the same domination as in his previous division. I believe Canelo might not make a similar decision again and will likely stay in the current division, facing opponents like David Benavidez, who has showcased power and secured impressive wins against Demetrius Andrade.

However, if you're suggesting that Canelo is already out of his prime, or 'not so prime' as you stated, I disagree. I believe he is still in his prime. While his loss in the new division was acceptable given the circumstances, if he remains in a division where he is comfortable, we need to observe further before concluding that he is 'not so prime' anymore.

We can only judge a boxer from their last fight and it seems that Canelo still have the pop in his punches against Charlo and that he won that fight, let's put it that way. But maybe if he will fight a legit 168 lbs, like David Benavidez, not like a Charlo who hasn't been in this division, although he can make weight, but still he hasn't fight in this weight class and he is a super welterweight unified champion.

So that is a big discrepancy already. So we will see him being tested if he is prime not against a young fighter, who is very hungry, wanted to proved that he will be the next king of the MW division and that is Benavidez. We can also hope that Canelo wanted to fight him next, Mexican vs Mexican brawl.

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Quote from: Viscore on November 27, 2023, 01:52:25 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on November 27, 2023, 12:29:41 AM

^^ Yes mate, and I do agree with what Porter says, his analysis is spot on and I think majority of the members here see that one. It's the youth of DB that really give problems to Canelo. And then you have to think about the power and the stamina being young to be able to go toe to toe with a not so prime Canelo at this point.

When Canelo moved up, Dmitrii Bivol was the champion, making it challenging to expect the same domination as in his previous division. I believe Canelo might not make a similar decision again and will likely stay in the current division, facing opponents like David Benavidez, who has showcased power and secured impressive wins against Demetrius Andrade.

Not sure what you meant, but Canelo and DB are in the same division. So if we go by your argument that Canelo will not go to 175 lbs, then the logical fighter he needs to face is DB. However, Benavidez Sr, says that if Canelo doesn't want to fight then his son might to up to face the 175 lbs in Bivol and Beterbiev.

Quote from: Viscore on November 27, 2023, 01:52:25 AM

However, if you're suggesting that Canelo is already out of his prime, or 'not so prime' as you stated, I disagree. I believe he is still in his prime. While his loss in the new division was acceptable given the circumstances, if he remains in a division where he is comfortable, we need to observe further before concluding that he is 'not so prime' anymore.

I say that he is no longer or maybe not so prime is the opponents that he has face, against a unknown John Ryder and fighting in his native Mexico, his performance is not that good as many other boxing pundits have noticed.

And his next fight against a blown up Charlo, who went 2 divisions up, so obviously Canelo win that one in a dominant fashion.

However, against a young DB in his prime? We will see if Canelo still has it.

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Quote from: Viscore on November 27, 2023, 01:52:25 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on November 27, 2023, 12:29:41 AM

^^ Yes mate, and I do agree with what Porter says, his analysis is spot on and I think majority of the members here see that one. It's the youth of DB that really give problems to Canelo. And then you have to think about the power and the stamina being young to be able to go toe to toe with a not so prime Canelo at this point.

When Canelo moved up, Dmitrii Bivol was the champion, making it challenging to expect the same domination as in his previous division. I believe Canelo might not make a similar decision again and will likely stay in the current division, facing opponents like David Benavidez, who has showcased power and secured impressive wins against Demetrius Andrade.

However, if you're suggesting that Canelo is already out of his prime, or 'not so prime' as you stated, I disagree. I believe he is still in his prime. While his loss in the new division was acceptable given the circumstances, if he remains in a division where he is comfortable, we need to observe further before concluding that he is 'not so prime' anymore.

Have you read this article
https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/11/shawn-porter-says-benavidez-doesnt-need-canelo-alvarez/, This is a good read for those who think that it's possible to have a Canelo - Benavidez fight this is an insight from former welterweight Shawn Porter who I also think that Canelo has no intention of fighting Benavidez, he never mentioned in any of his interview of the possibility of meeting Benavidez in the ring.

I never doubt that Canelo is great but Benavidez is just too massive and far stronger and better than Canelo and the article presented the fact, but I still want to see the fight happen, if it happens it's going to be both fighters' biggest, and can be considered a legacy fight, Benavidez is very much willing it's just up to Canelo if he wants to fight him.

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Quote from: Kemarit on November 27, 2023, 12:29:41 AM

^^ Yes mate, and I do agree with what Porter says, his analysis is spot on and I think majority of the members here see that one. It's the youth of DB that really give problems to Canelo. And then you have to think about the power and the stamina being young to be able to go toe to toe with a not so prime Canelo at this point.

When Canelo moved up, Dmitrii Bivol was the champion, making it challenging to expect the same domination as in his previous division. I believe Canelo might not make a similar decision again and will likely stay in the current division, facing opponents like David Benavidez, who has showcased power and secured impressive wins against Demetrius Andrade.

However, if you're suggesting that Canelo is already out of his prime, or 'not so prime' as you stated, I disagree. I believe he is still in his prime. While his loss in the new division was acceptable given the circumstances, if he remains in a division where he is comfortable, we need to observe further before concluding that he is 'not so prime' anymore.

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Quote from: robelneo on November 25, 2023, 11:35:06 PM

Fight is underway here is a live feed of the fight hopefully it will not be taken down and we will finish the whole fight

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=search&v=318256367806536

The latest update was the corner of Andrade stopped the fight, Andrade took a lot of beating and there was a warning coming from the referee that he would stop the fight if Andrade couldn't defend himself, now we are finally going to see a Benavidez - Canelo fight for an all Mexican great fight

Have not watched the live fight but indeed that the fight isn't that exciting and enjoying because of how Andrade perform in this one .

Now I think this is the best waiting , to wait for Canelo fighting Benavidez , this is also the time to create another thread for the upcoming fight .

Congrats Benavidez , this is your fight and all angles pointing to you winning the bout.

I watched the highlight of the fight, and as expected Benavidez exploited the weakness of Andrade. Benavidez was not fazed by the signature volume punching of Andrade since he has a solid defense and has a quick enough reaction to counter and land devastating punches. As a result Andrade got stunned many times and even got KD. Instead of adjusting Andrade keep on doing the same thing that resulted to more injuries that make Andrade and his corner request to stop the fight during the break after the 6th round.

Have watched it also now mate and all you've said is right proving that it is not about How many punches the boxer can throw but how much he can deliver .
this also shows how strong and great benavidez to face Canelo .
maybe the interesting part now is about Canelo facing Benavidez , Want to save some funds to put a bet in this fight if happens .

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^^ Yes mate, and I do agree with what Porter says, his analysis is spot on and I think majority of the members here see that one. It's the youth of DB that really give problems to Canelo. And then you have to think about the power and the stamina being young to be able to go toe to toe with a not so prime Canelo at this point.

As for the supporting bout of Benavidez Jr vs Charlo, it's uneventful, I mean Charlo came in over weight, so what you do you expect?

It's not going to be fair to Benavidez Jr and we all know that Jr is just a blow up 154 lbs fighter.

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 26, 2023, 05:22:03 PM

I agree with the majority here,

a. Benavidez is real and Canelo should be threaten by now
b. Bigger and younger
c. Power in both hands, will pressure anyone at this division
d. Can go as high as 175 lbs and potential fought the 2 head Russian champions, Dmitri Bivol or Arthur Beterviev

So the question, how long will Canelo Alvarez avoid David Benavidez?

I am one of those who support the call of the boxing community for the Canelo - Benavidez fight to happen, but after stumbling over this article and reading the analysis of former welterweight champion Shawn Porter I come to believe that Canelo will continue to ignore Benavidez and will prefer to hang up his glove than fight David Benavidez because of his legacy and because he's been fighting for 20 years and he cannot keep up fighting a guy who has a massive size and has a cheat code in his body.
If ever they will fight Canelo will need to bring all his aces to fight a guy so massive and has never been tamed on all his 28 fights.

I'll keep this thread open for members here to prove Porter is wrong or right in his analysis.

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“We know that’s probably the biggest money fight that he [Benavidez] could have, but I just think that he’s better, he’s stronger, and he’s got too much youth. He’s got too much experience, and he’s got too much health,” Porter said. Porter is right. Benavidez doesn’t need Canelo because the boxing public already views him as superior to the small 5’8″, but only because of his youth and huge size advantage.

Source: Shawn Porter Says Benavidez Doesn't Need Canelo Alvarez - Boxing News 24 (https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/11/shawn-porter-says-benavidez-doesnt-need-canelo-alvarez/)

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I agree with the majority here,

a. Benavidez is real and Canelo should be threaten by now
b. Bigger and younger
c. Power in both hands, will pressure anyone at this division
d. Can go as high as 175 lbs and potential fought the 2 head Russian champions, Dmitri Bivol or Arthur Beterviev

So the question, how long will Canelo Alvarez avoid David Benavidez?

Also Charlo won by a UD against the younger Benavidez, and with his going overweight, it might be good as well to throw his name in the mix for 168 lbs. A good storyline as well for David Benavidez if ever they will consider Charlo as another opponent in the future, avenge his brother's lost.

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Quote from: robelneo on November 25, 2023, 11:35:06 PM

Fight is underway here is a live feed of the fight hopefully it will not be taken down and we will finish the whole fight

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=search&v=318256367806536

The latest update was the corner of Andrade stopped the fight, Andrade took a lot of beating and there was a warning coming from the referee that he would stop the fight if Andrade couldn't defend himself, now we are finally going to see a Benavidez - Canelo fight for an all Mexican great fight

Have not watched the live fight but indeed that the fight isn't that exciting and enjoying because of how Andrade perform in this one .

Now I think this is the best waiting , to wait for Canelo fighting Benavidez , this is also the time to create another thread for the upcoming fight .

Congrats Benavidez , this is your fight and all angles pointing to you winning the bout.

I watched the highlight of the fight, and as expected Benavidez exploited the weakness of Andrade. Benavidez was not fazed by the signature volume punching of Andrade since he has a solid defense and has a quick enough reaction to counter and land devastating punches. As a result Andrade got stunned many times and even got KD. Instead of adjusting Andrade keep on doing the same thing that resulted to more injuries that make Andrade and his corner request to stop the fight during the break after the 6th round.

He really imposed his will in the beginning and not allow Andrade to established his. And as what others seen, he was relentless and pressure fighter, reminds me of when Margarito is at his prime fighting Miguel Cotto, prior to Margarito's being caught with plaster of paris.

So with that kind of no nonsense attack and really at your face all the time, Andrade was broken by Benavidez slowly every round. And you can see the expression on the face of Andrade that he is not responding to his corner giving him what to do. Benavidez is too big and too strong for him.

We will have to wait though before we can see if Canelo is going to fight Benavidez, make it official before someone creates a thread.

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Quote from: robelneo on November 25, 2023, 11:35:06 PM

Fight is underway here is a live feed of the fight hopefully it will not be taken down and we will finish the whole fight

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=search&v=318256367806536

The latest update was the corner of Andrade stopped the fight, Andrade took a lot of beating and there was a warning coming from the referee that he would stop the fight if Andrade couldn't defend himself, now we are finally going to see a Benavidez - Canelo fight for an all Mexican great fight

Have not watched the live fight but indeed that the fight isn't that exciting and enjoying because of how Andrade perform in this one .

Now I think this is the best waiting , to wait for Canelo fighting Benavidez , this is also the time to create another thread for the upcoming fight .

Congrats Benavidez , this is your fight and all angles pointing to you winning the bout.

I watched the highlight of the fight, and as expected Benavidez exploited the weakness of Andrade. Benavidez was not fazed by the signature volume punching of Andrade since he has a solid defense and has a quick enough reaction to counter and land devastating punches. As a result Andrade got stunned many times and even got KD. Instead of adjusting Andrade keep on doing the same thing that resulted to more injuries that make Andrade and his corner request to stop the fight during the break after the 6th round.

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Quote from: Saisher on November 26, 2023, 08:33:12 AM

We are all speculating but so far every opponent that faces Benavidez is not only beaten but Benavidez tortured them all, he breaks them all down by systematic beating until his opponent gives up, or gets stopped, they only have each other standing in their way on who deserves to be called Mexican's best boxer in the present generation and most probably become the number one in the Ring magazine.
If they finally face it will be a very big event and everything will be at stake in that fight because the fight is long overdue.

In the earlier rounds, I thought Andrade was gonna be the upper hand but everything changed when he started to get slower because of taking too much damage from Benavidez until he could no longer keep up and his corner just wanted to stop it for his own good. They made the right decision because there was no need for further punishment and some hard beatings, everything was clear, and obviously, the end result would have been scarier if they hadn't stepped up and stopped the fight.

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And I think the style of Benavidez might give Canelo some problems early, as David is a pressure fighter.

Actually, this is what Canelo loves as well. Andrade doesn't possess the speed and power of Canelo, so I believe Benavidez might face challenges with his recklessness in the fight. If he still thinks he can knock out Canelo and becomes overly aggressive, he could put himself at risk of getting knocked out. I'm excited about this fight because it's long overdue, but I still see that Canelo has the edge due to his experience and ability to handle powerful punches without deteriorating in the fight.

We are all speculating but so far every opponent that faces Benavidez is not only beaten but Benavidez tortured them all, he breaks them all down by systematic beating until his opponent gives up, or gets stopped, they only have each other standing in their way on who deserves to be called Mexican's best boxer in the present generation and most probably become the number one in the Ring magazine.
If they finally face it will be a very big event and everything will be at stake in that fight because the fight is long overdue.

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Andrade has good lateral movement but he cannot keep up with the pressure, the matchup came as expected, Benavidez imposed his size and targeted the body to limit Andrade movement and it paid off, Andrade received too much punishment before his corner stopped the fight from the referee's recommendation.
After this fight Canelo should give Benavidez a chance to fight him, this is what the boxing community wants and this is the only way that he will cement his legacy as the greatest Mexican fighter, Benavidez is the only block to his road to glory and he should grant this or people will call him a coward.
There's no other fighter that can match Canelo's supremacy in the Super Middleweight only David Benavidez.

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Quote from: TravelMug on November 26, 2023, 07:47:22 AM

And I think the style of Benavidez might give Canelo some problems early, as David is a pressure fighter.

Actually, this is what Canelo loves as well. Andrade doesn't possess the speed and power of Canelo, so I believe Benavidez might face challenges with his recklessness in the fight. If he still thinks he can knock out Canelo and becomes overly aggressive, he could put himself at risk of getting knocked out. I'm excited about this fight because it's long overdue, but I still see that Canelo has the edge due to his experience and ability to handle powerful punches without deteriorating in the fight.

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Yes, even though Benavidez is not the most skillful fighter or slick like most of the black American fighters, but he gets the job done with his relentless pressure and it's hard to stay away from that for the whole 12 rounds. Hopefully, the pressure that Canelo is getting from the boxing community, he will let his pride fight the young Benavidez. Two great wins by David now, and just destroying them.

So now that he won, Canelo should answer his critics now by approving a next fight with Benavidez, if not then fans will put all the blame on Canelo. Benavidez Sr though said that maybe Bivol or Beterviev could be next if no Canelo, that is also a interesting fight at 175 lbs. And obviously, David is chasing greatness if he fought and won against this 2 top Light Heavy Weight.

Yeah, Benavidez was relentless on his attack that's why Andrade quit on his stool. With this win, we could say that he is really ripe to fight Canelo Alvarez if the latter fights this risky one but i think that Canelo has other things in mind. He might fight the smaller Terrence Crawford as he was calling out his name for quite some time now and that is a very winnable fight for him and the amount of money he may receive is just the same hehe.

Congrats to all who bet for Benavidez to win by KO.

I think he is ready, in his last two fights, against Caleb Plant and now Andrade, David is really developing into another force in this division, he is huge at this weight class the way I see it that's why he just steam rolled everyone in this division. And so he is really ripe and we can also say that he is also deserving of a Canelo fight and the biggest pay check for him and his family. But still up to Canelo and his camp, if he is willing to give that to Benavidez, another Mexican. Although sometimes he just contradict himself, there are interviews that he says that he is open to fight anyone and that he is not afraid to face any boxer in his division. And I think the style of Benavidez might give Canelo some problems early, as David is a pressure fighter.

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Yes, even though Benavidez is not the most skillful fighter or slick like most of the black American fighters, but he gets the job done with his relentless pressure and it's hard to stay away from that for the whole 12 rounds. Hopefully, the pressure that Canelo is getting from the boxing community, he will let his pride fight the young Benavidez. Two great wins by David now, and just destroying them.

So now that he won, Canelo should answer his critics now by approving a next fight with Benavidez, if not then fans will put all the blame on Canelo. Benavidez Sr though said that maybe Bivol or Beterviev could be next if no Canelo, that is also a interesting fight at 175 lbs. And obviously, David is chasing greatness if he fought and won against this 2 top Light Heavy Weight.

Yeah, Benavidez was relentless on his attack that's why Andrade quit on his stool. With this win, we could say that he is really ripe to fight Canelo Alvarez if the latter fights this risky one but i think that Canelo has other things in mind. He might fight the smaller Terrence Crawford as he was calling out his name for quite some time now and that is a very winnable fight for him and the amount of money he may receive is just the same hehe.

Congrats to all who bet for Benavidez to win by KO.

He's 100% ready; we witnessed his power in that fight. Although he doesn't showcase strong defensive skills, I'm impressed his confidence in securing a knockout win, prompting Andrade's camp to stop the fight.

I'm actually surprised that Andrade lasted six rounds despite enduring a considerable amount of punishment before the stoppage. It was an entertaining fight overall, and I must say, Canelo will face a tough challenge with Benavidez if that match materializes. Hopefully, they'll make it happen next year; we deserve to see that fight.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on November 26, 2023, 01:51:59 AM

Yes, even though Benavidez is not the most skillful fighter or slick like most of the black American fighters, but he gets the job done with his relentless pressure and it's hard to stay away from that for the whole 12 rounds. Hopefully, the pressure that Canelo is getting from the boxing community, he will let his pride fight the young Benavidez. Two great wins by David now, and just destroying them.

So now that he won, Canelo should answer his critics now by approving a next fight with Benavidez, if not then fans will put all the blame on Canelo. Benavidez Sr though said that maybe Bivol or Beterviev could be next if no Canelo, that is also a interesting fight at 175 lbs. And obviously, David is chasing greatness if he fought and won against this 2 top Light Heavy Weight.

Yeah, Benavidez was relentless on his attack that's why Andrade quit on his stool. With this win, we could say that he is really ripe to fight Canelo Alvarez if the latter fights this risky one but i think that Canelo has other things in mind. He might fight the smaller Terrence Crawford as he was calling out his name for quite some time now and that is a very winnable fight for him and the amount of money he may receive is just the same hehe.

Congrats to all who bet for Benavidez to win by KO.

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Quote from: robelneo on November 25, 2023, 11:35:06 PM

The latest update was the corner of Andrade stopped the fight, Andrade took a lot of beating and there was a warning coming from the referee that he would stop the fight if Andrade couldn't defend himself, now we are finally going to see a Benavidez - Canelo fight for an all Mexican great fight

An absolutely dominating performance by Benavidez. He might not be the most skillful fighter but the relentless pressure always breaks down his opponents. We are all expecting the Canelo fight to be next. Benavidez is still the mandatory and the next best fighter in the weight class. It is only logical that they would face each other. The fight has marinated for long enough. Even though Canelo is considered better I wonder how he is going to deal with the size and power of Benavidez. Canelo isn't a slick, defensive boxer so he is likely to receive punishment. People will favor him because of his résumé and talent but it is not a foregone conclusion that Canelo will prevail against this difficult challenge presented by Benavidez.

Yes, even though Benavidez is not the most skillful fighter or slick like most of the black American fighters, but he gets the job done with his relentless pressure and it's hard to stay away from that for the whole 12 rounds. Hopefully, the pressure that Canelo is getting from the boxing community, he will let his pride fight the young Benavidez. Two great wins by David now, and just destroying them.

So now that he won, Canelo should answer his critics now by approving a next fight with Benavidez, if not then fans will put all the blame on Canelo. Benavidez Sr though said that maybe Bivol or Beterviev could be next if no Canelo, that is also a interesting fight at 175 lbs. And obviously, David is chasing greatness if he fought and won against this 2 top Light Heavy Weight.

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Quote from: robelneo on November 25, 2023, 11:35:06 PM

Fight is underway here is a live feed of the fight hopefully it will not be taken down and we will finish the whole fight

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=search&v=318256367806536

The latest update was the corner of Andrade stopped the fight, Andrade took a lot of beating and there was a warning coming from the referee that he would stop the fight if Andrade couldn't defend himself, now we are finally going to see a Benavidez - Canelo fight for an all Mexican great fight

Have not watched the live fight but indeed that the fight isn't that exciting and enjoying because of how Andrade perform in this one .

Now I think this is the best waiting , to wait for Canelo fighting Benavidez , this is also the time to create another thread for the upcoming fight .

Congrats Benavidez , this is your fight and all angles pointing to you winning the bout.

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Quote from: robelneo on November 25, 2023, 11:35:06 PM

The latest update was the corner of Andrade stopped the fight, Andrade took a lot of beating and there was a warning coming from the referee that he would stop the fight if Andrade couldn't defend himself, now we are finally going to see a Benavidez - Canelo fight for an all Mexican great fight

An absolutely dominating performance by Benavidez. He might not be the most skillful fighter but the relentless pressure always breaks down his opponents. We are all expecting the Canelo fight to be next. Benavidez is still the mandatory and the next best fighter in the weight class. It is only logical that they would face each other. The fight has marinated for long enough. Even though Canelo is considered better I wonder how he is going to deal with the size and power of Benavidez. Canelo isn't a slick, defensive boxer so he is likely to receive punishment. People will favor him because of his résumé and talent but it is not a foregone conclusion that Canelo will prevail against this difficult challenge presented by Benavidez.

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Quote from: robelneo on November 25, 2023, 11:35:06 PM

Fight is underway here is a live feed of the fight hopefully it will not be taken down and we will finish the whole fight

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=search&v=318256367806536

The latest update was the corner of Andrade stopped the fight, Andrade took a lot of beating and there was a warning coming from the referee that he would stop the fight if Andrade couldn't defend himself, now we are finally going to see a Benavidez - Canelo fight for an all Mexican great fight

Yes, the corner of Andrade chooses to throw the towel because it was a mismatch, so to stop further damage, it was the right decision of the corner man/trainer. Again, he is taking to much in this fight and at 35 years old, it shows that his age in this fight.

Hopefully with this good performance of David, beating a great fighter in Andrade, the Canelo Alvarez will no longer hide on the excuses of not wanting to fight another Mexican. He should give DB his due now, he has been destroying everyone at this weight class. And being the champion, he should be allowing himself to be challenge by a young fighter and see if he still has it or if Canelo is on a decline.

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Fight is underway here is a live feed of the fight hopefully it will not be taken down and we will finish the whole fight

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=search&v=318256367806536

The latest update was the corner of Andrade stopped the fight, Andrade took a lot of beating and there was a warning coming from the referee that he would stop the fight if Andrade couldn't defend himself, now we are finally going to see a Benavidez - Canelo fight for an all Mexican great fight

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However, Charlo came in overweight, 3.4 pounds against Benavidez Jr. This fight is at a catchweight of 163 pounds, and yet Charlo came in still close to the super middleweight at 166.4 pounds.

Not sure if this fight is going to continue, but there are talks that Charlo will have to pay Benavidez as penalty for going over the catchweight so that they can just proceed with the fight.

It is also reported that the weigh in was done behind close doors with no media around.

This is unprofessional behavior from a fighter who's been coddled by his promoter and the WBC who allowed him to keep his title despite not defending it in over two years. This was supposed to be a showcase that would lead to bigger fights. This will tarnish his image and makes it seem like he isn't serious about his career anymore.

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It is also reported that the weigh in was done behind close doors with no media around.

The official weight-in is always behind closed doors and the ceremonial weigh-in is the one that is open to the public. It should be happening right now so we will see if there is any update on this situation.

I think it just shows that Charlo is not yet ready, mentally and physically to fight and perhaps he still has the problems inside of him. Or maybe after that long layoff of him, his body is no longer responding to 160 lbs as he can't make that weight and they know that, that's why they requested at a catch weight of 163 lbs. But still though, his body is really that big after 29 months of layoff and they can't squeeze his body.

So the fight could still proceed, Benavidez Jr, used to fight Crawford at 140 lbs and already a disadvantage because this is not his natural weight class. But I guess the penalty is enough for them and his father to let this fight go and let's see if he can really damage Charlo here.

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However, Charlo came in overweight, 3.4 pounds against Benavidez Jr. This fight is at a catchweight of 163 pounds, and yet Charlo came in still close to the super middleweight at 166.4 pounds.

Not sure if this fight is going to continue, but there are talks that Charlo will have to pay Benavidez as penalty for going over the catchweight so that they can just proceed with the fight.

It is also reported that the weigh in was done behind close doors with no media around.

This is unprofessional behavior from a fighter who's been coddled by his promoter and the WBC who allowed him to keep his title despite not defending it in over two years. This was supposed to be a showcase that would lead to bigger fights. This will tarnish his image and makes it seem like he isn't serious about his career anymore.

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It is also reported that the weigh in was done behind close doors with no media around.

The official weight-in is always behind closed doors and the ceremonial weigh-in is the one that is open to the public. It should be happening right now so we will see if there is any update on this situation.

I do agree, this is very unprofessional on the side of Charlo and his trainer, how then they let this one slip? Maybe we if this is just 1 lbs over then it might be cool, but more than 3 lbs? His trainers and handlers knows better, what's their reason? they uses and calibrated wrong scale? Sr says that's they will penalized Charlo $75,000 per pound that he is overweight.

So let's see who the fight will go, this is going to be heated from round 1. Jr says that he is going to "fuck up" Charlo real bad because he looks it as they intentionally going overweight in this fight.

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 24, 2023, 05:41:07 PM

However, Charlo came in overweight, 3.4 pounds against Benavidez Jr. This fight is at a catchweight of 163 pounds, and yet Charlo came in still close to the super middleweight at 166.4 pounds.

Not sure if this fight is going to continue, but there are talks that Charlo will have to pay Benavidez as penalty for going over the catchweight so that they can just proceed with the fight.

It is also reported that the weigh in was done behind close doors with no media around.

This is unprofessional behavior from a fighter who's been coddled by his promoter and the WBC who allowed him to keep his title despite not defending it in over two years. This was supposed to be a showcase that would lead to bigger fights. This will tarnish his image and makes it seem like he isn't serious about his career anymore.

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It is also reported that the weigh in was done behind close doors with no media around.

The official weight-in is always behind closed doors and the ceremonial weigh-in is the one that is open to the public. It should be happening right now so we will see if there is any update on this situation.

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Both David Benavidez and Demetrius Andrade make the desired weight,

Benavidez at 167 pounds
Andrade at 167.6 pounds

However, Charlo came in overweight, 3.4 pounds against Benavidez Jr. This fight is at a catchweight of 163 pounds, and yet Charlo came in still close to the super middleweight at 166.4 pounds.

Not sure if this fight is going to continue, but there are talks that Charlo will have to pay Benavidez as penalty for going over the catchweight so that they can just proceed with the fight.

It is also reported that the weigh in was done behind close doors with no media around.

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 23, 2023, 05:31:21 PM

Here is the public workout of both of them,

Benavidez: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8cIihvCXxY
Andradre: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXZrS159-48

Media workout for me is not the best parameter to see how has the advantage, many boxers make it a light workout so the other camp will not see any strategy that they are going to employ.

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So what do you guys think? Maybe we have seen the glimpse of their footwork and power, but obviously it will be different in the fight.

Benavidez looks flat footed, but once he caught Andrade, it might be over. As for Demetrius, he looks so bouncy so he has the advantage as far as movement goes and that southpaw stance might give Benavidez some problems.

Benavidez is really flatfooted he always is, he just overwhelmed his opponents with rapid punches and imposed his size he just kept moving forward throwing a barrage of punches I have seen him throw ten combinations and rapid punches his opponent, he loves a close fight, for a tall guy this is unusual but close or open fight he will always impose his size, he's been successful doing this and that what makes him very dangerous opponent, he loves to take so he can give his own, because he believes his power is unmatched.

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 23, 2023, 05:31:21 PM

So what do you guys think? Maybe we have seen the glimpse of their footwork and power, but obviously it will be different in the fight.

Benavidez looks flat footed, but once he caught Andrade, it might be over. As for Demetrius, he looks so bouncy so he has the advantage as far as movement goes and that southpaw stance might give Benavidez some problems.

Benavidez maybe flat-footed but his precision is crazy while Andrade may look agile but his defense suffers whenever he throws punches, unless Andrade fix that, Benavidez can easily render him unable to continue.

I'm not at all worried about Benavidez being a bit flat-footed. That's not necessarily something. It may just be a fighting style some boxers are most comfortable with. Canelo is flat-footed himself. But it's not something that's worrisome.

Indeed, Benavidez has a very solid defense. And he's always right there in front of you. Andrade's bouncy style could mean more space but it could also wear himself out against somebody who just doesn't stay away.

And it's not like Benavidez is just right there in front like a log, an easy target. Benavidez is a volume puncher. Being in front barely moving is like a bait. You hit him once, he'll hit you thrice. His being flat-footed is like an invitation to trade blows.

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Quote from: robelneo on October 03, 2023, 11:09:59 AM

I have Benavidez winning by knock out

I am quite biased here since watching Benavidez fights and replaying them again and again simply amazed me. It amazes me how precise Benavidez's punches are. Andrade may have a powerful punches but once it can be absorbed by Benavidez without any issue, the precision of Benavidez's punch will give a problem to Andrade and may render him unable to continue since Andrade defense is the weakest when he is launching his punches.

If we look at the replays of Andrade; 's highlight punches, we can notice that his defense is non-existent every time he throws punches and that will be capitalized by Benavidez.

Quote from: Baofeng on November 23, 2023, 05:31:21 PM

So what do you guys think? Maybe we have seen the glimpse of their footwork and power, but obviously it will be different in the fight.

Benavidez looks flat footed, but once he caught Andrade, it might be over. As for Demetrius, he looks so bouncy so he has the advantage as far as movement goes and that southpaw stance might give Benavidez some problems.

Benavidez maybe flat-footed but his precision is crazy while Andrade may look agile but his defense suffers whenever he throws punches, unless Andrade fix that, Benavidez can easily render him unable to continue.

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Here is the public workout of both of them,

Benavidez: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8cIihvCXxY
Andradre: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXZrS159-48

So what do you guys think? Maybe we have seen the glimpse of their footwork and power, but obviously it will be different in the fight.

Benavidez looks flat footed, but once he caught Andrade, it might be over. As for Demetrius, he looks so bouncy so he has the advantage as far as movement goes and that southpaw stance might give Benavidez some problems.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on November 23, 2023, 05:50:00 AM

A win may result in a fight against the cash cow in Canelo Alvarez, so for sure, this is going to be a great fight.

Looking forward to that happening in the future.

Canelo has been waiting for a tough opponent and I find Benavidez a tough one that could possibly give a close fight against Canelo. This fight hopefully is a stepping stone for the big fight to happen, and although I believe that Benavidez would be listed as the underdog by our beloved bookies, I feel that this dog has a decent chance of upsetting Canelo.

Yeah, that's what we all wanted to see for Canelo, being tested again by a young fighter who is very ambitious like David Benavidez. And hopefully, Canelo will no longer hide on the reason that he doesn't want to face another Mexican, he has done if before throughout his career, so what makes it different this time?

And I do agree that when David said that Canelo should look good in his win against Charlo so that he can get back his confidence after a dismal performance against Ryder. And then he will give him the opportunity to fight him because of that. And that's what really happen, Canelo looks sharp against a fighting that goes up 2 weight class and then beat him. Now that he has his confidence back, all David can do is win in this fight and then call Canelo again and see if he will response for a big fight next year, Cinco de Mayo.

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Quote from: coin-investor on November 23, 2023, 09:29:42 AM

Two days before the fight I would like to summarize the general sentiment of some of the members here, only a few members voted including me but I'm 100% it is also the sentiment of the boxing community

Benavidez by KO   - 11 (91.7%)
Benavidez by UD   - 1 (8.3%)
Andrade BY KO   - 0 (0%)
Andrade BY UD   - 0 (0%)
DRAW   - 0 (0%)
Total Voters: 12

So it's very clear here that Andrade has little or no chance at all you will make a lot of money if you bet for Andrade and he upsets Benavidez.
Benavidez is a huge favorite but that doesn't mean that Andrade will not give him a good fight and the fight will be boring because there's too much stake in this fight.

Yes, the sentiments as with Benavidez to win in this fight, I mean it make sense, he is the bigger guy and has the power to knockout out Andrade. What Andrade possesses is technical skills, but it's hard to overcome the physical advantage of David, unless Andrade is not going to get tired or not be hit by David.

So I will echo the sentiments of the boxing community.

And if you look at the betting line, Benavidez by KO or by decision is still very appealing, it's above 2.x odds as of now.

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Two days before the fight I would like to summarize the general sentiment of some of the members here, only a few members voted including me but I'm 100% it is also the sentiment of the boxing community

Benavidez by KO   - 11 (91.7%)
Benavidez by UD   - 1 (8.3%)
Andrade BY KO   - 0 (0%)
Andrade BY UD   - 0 (0%)
DRAW   - 0 (0%)
Total Voters: 12

So it's very clear here that Andrade has little or no chance at all you will make a lot of money if you bet for Andrade and he upsets Benavidez.
Benavidez is a huge favorite but that doesn't mean that Andrade will not give him a good fight and the fight will be boring because there's too much stake in this fight.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on November 23, 2023, 05:50:00 AM

A win may result in a fight against the cash cow in Canelo Alvarez, so for sure, this is going to be a great fight.

Looking forward to that happening in the future.

Canelo has been waiting for a tough opponent and I find Benavidez a tough one that could possibly give a close fight against Canelo. This fight hopefully is a stepping stone for the big fight to happen, and although I believe that Benavidez would be listed as the underdog by our beloved bookies, I feel that this dog has a decent chance of upsetting Canelo.

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Well you just have to love Benavidez Jr during that press conference, it seems that he is really mad at his every opponent. Good to see that Charlo remains cool and yeah, another mind games and I think Charlo is the clear winner here.

The main event though is still very interesting, David Benavidez and Andrade knows what is on the line here.

A win may result in a fight against the cash cow in Canelo Alvarez, so for sure, this is going to be a great fight. And if Charlo vs Jr turns out to be also a entertaining fight then we got our money's worth.

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^^ Yes, there's more action and trash talking between Charlo and Benavidez,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99NVn1KX8Ec

For sure this will be the fight that everyone wanted to see, with such animosity and disdain against each other, we might see a knockout here.

Charlo though trying to be cool, but for sure he is very competitive and wanted to take that head off. I like what the host is doing though, he is adding fuel to the fire and putting words into their mouth for more hype. Or Charlo just playing mind games with the young Benavidez. And Andrade, stepping away every time Benavidez goes to their side as if saying I don't want none of that. Hehehehe.

So they took the face-off from the main card and make it their own. Grin

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So they are in a catchweight at 163? For sure Charlo can't make it to 160 lbs already without draining himself. And we have seen his twin brother going as high as 168 lbs and it seems he is perfectly fine. However, this brothers doesn't want to obviously in the same weight class, that's why Jermell is at 154 lbs, and Jermall at 160 lbs.

As for his fight with Benavidez Jr, yes, they love to trash talk and so this could be what boxing fans wanted to see. Although Boogeyman and David Benavidez is a good fight, curiosity could be on Jr vs Jermall and we wanted to see if Jermall still has what it takes after being out of the boxing ring for a long time due to mental problems. Also, wanted to see as well if Jr can back up all of his trash talking.

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David Benavidez says that this fight is still 50/50. And that's how he respect Demetrius Andrade and he even give credits Andrade for making the negotiations very easy, without any fuzz. And so this fight could be the biggest for Benavidez, and obviously, another step for Canelo which is their plan after all. And here is the live press conference, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtHhusx2SCQ

If there is a trash talking in this fight, it's his brother against Charlo, here is the video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLzf-TnKolE

And it's interesting that this fight is at 163 lbs? because as Benavidez Jr says, Charlo has gone through a lot (mental issues), but then attack him by saying that he doesn't have the discipline, LOL.

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^^^^so to make up for decreasing buys, promoters raise the price for viewers which further limits their audience.

That might not be a good strategy in my opinion. Perhaps their target audience is very limited, considering they're raising the price of PPV subscriptions. Wouldn't it be better if they had more subscribers at a lower price? I mean, volume or pricing can make a fight more profitable. This way, others who can't afford the PPV price won't resort to looking for illegal streams. If that becomes rampant, it could affect the future of PPV subscriptions.

It's bad, and with what the current world economy is doing, everyone is really trying to save their money and this could be one reasons why there are a lot of fights that are not really making money in terms of PPV.

And if they increase the price then most likely boxing fans will have to retort to other methods of watching the fight, it could be some streams somewhere or even in some platform like Facebook wherein there are individuals too streaming high profile fights. But I do agree that this could be one reason that after many years, Sho suddenly shuts down their business because they are not making money anymore. So I doubt that the PPV that Manny and Floyd did before can be broken.

I'm not sure if it's because of the cost or if people just aren't as keen on shelling out for PPV these days. There's this other avenue where folks can catch the fight online for free....you know, those illegal streams that are all the rage now. If someone can get a link, they get to enjoy the fight without dropping a dime. Bumping up the PPV price might be the promoters' solution. Even with the increase, the folks who are really eager to watch would still be willing to spend over the cash. I mean, these are the folks who aren't really feeling the grasp of the economic struggle.

There are fans who even went to watch the fight live, and buying tickets in the thousands, and willing to spend that kind of money. So maybe there are still fans that can buy PPV, but obviously the numbers are going down since we went back to norm. We can't take into account that it's expensive for the majority of boxing fans, $70-$80 and up? that is exorbitant for a fight in my opinion. Unless it's really a great fight and there are hype around it.

But in this fight, there's none, both as we have observed, are respecting each other, so it didn't add up to the hype that most boxing fans are looking. At least a good storyline to begin with. So it's really hard to see how much this fight is going to made in terms of PPV numbers and it could be way below expectations. Plus as you have said, there are a lot of illegal streamers right now that are taking a cut on the profits.

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Quote from: Russlenat on November 12, 2023, 10:07:56 PM

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on November 12, 2023, 09:34:39 PM

^^^^so to make up for decreasing buys, promoters raise the price for viewers which further limits their audience.

That might not be a good strategy in my opinion. Perhaps their target audience is very limited, considering they're raising the price of PPV subscriptions. Wouldn't it be better if they had more subscribers at a lower price? I mean, volume or pricing can make a fight more profitable. This way, others who can't afford the PPV price won't resort to looking for illegal streams. If that becomes rampant, it could affect the future of PPV subscriptions.

It's bad, and with what the current world economy is doing, everyone is really trying to save their money and this could be one reasons why there are a lot of fights that are not really making money in terms of PPV.

And if they increase the price then most likely boxing fans will have to retort to other methods of watching the fight, it could be some streams somewhere or even in some platform like Facebook wherein there are individuals too streaming high profile fights. But I do agree that this could be one reason that after many years, Sho suddenly shuts down their business because they are not making money anymore. So I doubt that the PPV that Manny and Floyd did before can be broken.

I'm not sure if it's because of the cost or if people just aren't as keen on shelling out for PPV these days. There's this other avenue where folks can catch the fight online for free....you know, those illegal streams that are all the rage now. If someone can get a link, they get to enjoy the fight without dropping a dime. Bumping up the PPV price might be the promoters' solution. Even with the increase, the folks who are really eager to watch would still be willing to spend over the cash. I mean, these are the folks who aren't really feeling the grasp of the economic struggle.

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Quote from: Russlenat on November 12, 2023, 10:07:56 PM

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on November 12, 2023, 09:34:39 PM

^^^^so to make up for decreasing buys, promoters raise the price for viewers which further limits their audience.

That might not be a good strategy in my opinion. Perhaps their target audience is very limited, considering they're raising the price of PPV subscriptions. Wouldn't it be better if they had more subscribers at a lower price? I mean, volume or pricing can make a fight more profitable. This way, others who can't afford the PPV price won't resort to looking for illegal streams. If that becomes rampant, it could affect the future of PPV subscriptions.

It's bad, and with what the current world economy is doing, everyone is really trying to save their money and this could be one reasons why there are a lot of fights that are not really making money in terms of PPV.

And if they increase the price then most likely boxing fans will have to retort to other methods of watching the fight, it could be some streams somewhere or even in some platform like Facebook wherein there are individuals too streaming high profile fights. But I do agree that this could be one reason that after many years, Sho suddenly shuts down their business because they are not making money anymore. So I doubt that the PPV that Manny and Floyd did before can be broken.

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We are just about a week from this fight and most likely they have winded down their training so that they won't overtrain.

I still think that Benavidez will win this fight, no offense to Andrade, but he hasn't face a boxer that has the caliber of David. Yeah, seems that there's no hype in this fight as both are cordial against each other.

But this is going to be competitive and I wouldn't be surprised if Benavidez is the first person to knockout Andrade.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on November 12, 2023, 09:34:39 PM

^^^^so to make up for decreasing buys, promoters raise the price for viewers which further limits their audience.

That might not be a good strategy in my opinion. Perhaps their target audience is very limited, considering they're raising the price of PPV subscriptions. Wouldn't it be better if they had more subscribers at a lower price? I mean, volume or pricing can make a fight more profitable. This way, others who can't afford the PPV price won't resort to looking for illegal streams. If that becomes rampant, it could affect the future of PPV subscriptions.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on November 12, 2023, 11:08:11 AM

This fight is just weeks away, but I don't know, it is just me or others see that there are no hype in this fight? It could be because this two is showing respect with each other? And then in their interview, you will really hear that they don't talk against each other but instead focusing on what they want to do in the future, that is facing Canelo Alvarez. Both of them as far as we know are looking for Canelo in the future.

But I guess they need to have a storyline so that fans might go and watch this fight. As I will say that they are no PPV stars, although there are undercard that is good as well. Like in the Plant vs Benavidez, there is animosity and so it makes the fight more interesting as compare to this one which look very soft to me, just saying.

Benavidez says that if he wins this fight and Canelo is not available, he might go and fight Morrell as he had the WBA regular belt.

That's probably why Showtime is getting out of boxing at the end of the year. These fighters aren't household names and shouldn't be on PPV, but the purses they're demanding require that you charge fans so much money to watch them. Pushing everything to PPV limits the popularity of fighters like Benavidez and of the sport overall. Even a megafight like Crawford vs Spence only got 650k buys — which is really poor for a fight hyped up for many years — so to make up for decreasing buys, promoters raise the price for viewers which further limits their audience.

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This fight is just weeks away, but I don't know, it is just me or others see that there are no hype in this fight? It could be because this two is showing respect with each other? And then in their interview, you will really hear that they don't talk against each other but instead focusing on what they want to do in the future, that is facing Canelo Alvarez. Both of them as far as we know are looking for Canelo in the future.

But I guess they need to have a storyline so that fans might go and watch this fight. As I will say that they are no PPV stars, although there are undercard that is good as well. Like in the Plant vs Benavidez, there is animosity and so it makes the fight more interesting as compare to this one which look very soft to me, just saying.

Benavidez says that if he wins this fight and Canelo is not available, he might go and fight Morrell as he had the WBA regular belt.

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I don't know though, but it seems that there are no trash talking so far leading up to the fight. On the contrary, even Benavidez Sr is giving all praises to Demetrius Andrade as one if not the best fighter that his son is going to praise. A Olympian and held belts in 154 lbs and 160 lbs.

I think the target though of the Benavidez is Canelo Alvarez. But we will see, hopefully if they win here, Canelo might give him the title shot that they wanted for so long as it seems that Canelo is avoiding them and just hiding on the reasons of Alvarez doesn't want to fight another Mexican.

It's pretty obvious that Benavidez badly wants Canelo because it's not only all the Super Middleweight titles are at stake here, but another title that is at stake here, and also a big title is the title of the greatest Mexican fighter, I believe Canelo Alvarez already achieved that and Benavidez wants to take that away.
And Canelo doesn't want this to happen, I'm sure Canelo is hoping that Andrade can upset Benavidez.

That is what I'm trying to say, Benavidez and his camp, really wanted Canelo, but Alvarez as of this time doesn't want to give Benavidez his dues and just hiding on a lot of excuses. But in order to put pressure on Canelo, he needs to win this one again in a knockout or at least should be very convincing that Canelo might give him a shot on all of his belts and no longer hide on his "doesn't want another Mexican" fight.

Quote from: coin-investor on November 04, 2023, 12:27:26 PM

And if Benavidez wins convincingly Canelo has no excuse not to fight Benavidez, the boxing organizations and the boxing community will demand it, and if this happens I have a feeling that this is going to be the biggest Mexican fight since the Barrera - Morales fight, it is a fight for Mexico's pound for pound fighter, and the Mexican boxing community will be a thrill to have this fight happen.

100% agree on this, Maybe Canelo is afraid of David Benavidez and just hiding on excuses. But I doubt it though, but in any case, Benavidez should continue to fight and shows what he got and take that 0 of Andrade. That era though is very different, all Mexican great boxers really proved their point by fighting each other.

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Not sure if everyone has heard of Andre Berto before, he was one of the best 147 lbs about 10 years or more ago. He held the WBC belt before losing to Victor Ortiz.

And we will have his revenge to another man who beat him, Robert "The Ghost" Guererro, another good fighter in that era. But both of them are already way past their primes already and it jus surprises that this two are going to square it off.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/11/andre-berto-fighting-robert-guerrero-in-rematch-on-november-25th/

They will be on the undercard of Benavidez vs Andrade.

Berto’s been retired for 5 years and Guerrero should’ve stayed retired after announcing it 6 years ago. This fight really makes no sense. These old guys shouldn’t still be taking punishment. It’s a really bad look for the sport. They will never be contenders again and the money would be better invested in developing younger talent, which is something PBC really needs to improve on.

And it just shows how powerful Al Haymon is, I mean he can still inserted this fighters even if they seems to be no longer in their prime years. And they are like giving them a big favor as the paycheck will come to them, might be just in the 6 digits, but still that is a big numbers if they guys have retired for good already.

So not buying the whole revenge narrative, and even who wins in this fight, it should be no bearing for the rankings.

But at least either one of them will like to become a stepping stone for the young guys, then they might continue to fight at least one more.

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 08, 2023, 06:06:11 PM

Not sure if everyone has heard of Andre Berto before, he was one of the best 147 lbs about 10 years or more ago. He held the WBC belt before losing to Victor Ortiz.

And we will have his revenge to another man who beat him, Robert "The Ghost" Guererro, another good fighter in that era. But both of them are already way past their primes already and it jus surprises that this two are going to square it off.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/11/andre-berto-fighting-robert-guerrero-in-rematch-on-november-25th/

They will be on the undercard of Benavidez vs Andrade.

Berto’s been retired for 5 years and Guerrero should’ve stayed retired after announcing it 6 years ago. This fight really makes no sense. These old guys shouldn’t still be taking punishment. It’s a really bad look for the sport. They will never be contenders again and the money would be better invested in developing younger talent, which is something PBC really needs to improve on.

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^^ Yeah, familiar with Berto and I will say that his he was like Broner, minus the trash talking. He had a good skills back then and if I remember correctly, he is supposedly to fight Mosley then, after Mosley beat Margarito. But a big earth quake hits Haiti (where Andre's family came from), so he has to go there and raise money for the country.

And after that, he goes back fighting but it seems that he has lost his hype already. He was one of Floyd's hit list and so they fought. But we all know that nobody beats Mayweather and so Berto looks very amateurish in that fight.

Obviously this is for the money and not for the revenge against another old fighter in Guererro. I don't know how this old boxers can still get a fight in a very good match like this one.

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Not sure if everyone has heard of Andre Berto before, he was one of the best 147 lbs about 10 years or more ago. He held the WBC belt before losing to Victor Ortiz.

And we will have his revenge to another man who beat him, Robert "The Ghost" Guererro, another good fighter in that era. But both of them are already way past their primes already and it jus surprises that this two are going to square it off.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/11/andre-berto-fighting-robert-guerrero-in-rematch-on-november-25th/

They will be on the undercard of Benavidez vs Andrade.

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I don't know though, but it seems that there are no trash talking so far leading up to the fight. On the contrary, even Benavidez Sr is giving all praises to Demetrius Andrade as one if not the best fighter that his son is going to praise. A Olympian and held belts in 154 lbs and 160 lbs.

I think the target though of the Benavidez is Canelo Alvarez. But we will see, hopefully if they win here, Canelo might give him the title shot that they wanted for so long as it seems that Canelo is avoiding them and just hiding on the reasons of Alvarez doesn't want to fight another Mexican.

It's pretty obvious that Benavidez badly wants Canelo because it's not only all the Super Middleweight titles are at stake here, but another title that is at stake here, and also a big title is the title of the greatest Mexican fighter, I believe Canelo Alvarez already achieved that and Benavidez wants to take that away.
And Canelo doesn't want this to happen, I'm sure Canelo is hoping that Andrade can upset Benavidez.

Not sure if Canelo doesn't want this to happen, up to this point of his career, he is looking for more challenges, although he is no longer that young, he can still fight anyone he wants and beat them. In the beginning I have my speculations that he doesn't want or is afraid of Benavidez, but maybe he just want David to accomplished something before giving him that chance and winning against Demetrius by give his ticket for a fight against Alvarez.

Quote from: coin-investor on November 04, 2023, 12:27:26 PM

And if Benavidez wins convincingly Canelo has no excuse not to fight Benavidez, the boxing organizations and the boxing community will demand it, and if this happens I have a feeling that this is going to be the biggest Mexican fight since the Barrera - Morales fight, it is a fight for Mexico's pound for pound fighter, and the Mexican boxing community will be a thrill to have this fight happen.

That's one thing with Canelo though he listens to his fans, and the boxing community and he knows that he is going to be criticized if he retire and not giving the young Mexican the chance. Who is he going to fight next at this division? Morrel? most of the fans haven't heard of that guy and it will not bring any to Canelo's legacy, except that low risk high reward.

Canelo has proven himself time and again in boxing he has beaten a lot of great champions and fighters but this Benavidez is one hell of a fighter every time I check his fight highlights on YouTube it gives me the idea that Canelo will have a hard time with this guy.

Benavidez just comes forward and imposes himself, he is the type of guy who wants to mix up, and engage and is ready to receive punches so he can give his own, of course Canelo can beat this guy but he should be at his best when he fights this guy.

Checking on the poll here :
Benavidez by KO - 10 (90.9%)
Benavidez by UD - 1 (9.1%)

Benavidez got 90% of the vote and he will have that huge advantage come fight night.

That's one thing with David or even with his brother, they will always imposed their will in the beginning of the fight. Just like the bullies, and so far he hasn't found one that can go against him. Caleb Plant was supposed to do that, but he usually faded in the later round although he is dangerous with his hook. The big difference is that when his brother faces Crawford, it was a different story.

But anyhow, in this fight we will see if he can do that against a southpaw in Andrade and also with a high boxing IQ.

It could be different if he can imposed his will as Andrade might give him that hard time and will be on the defense and this goes on offense as David might find it very hard to fight against left handers.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on November 04, 2023, 05:10:52 AM

I don't know though, but it seems that there are no trash talking so far leading up to the fight. On the contrary, even Benavidez Sr is giving all praises to Demetrius Andrade as one if not the best fighter that his son is going to praise. A Olympian and held belts in 154 lbs and 160 lbs.

I think the target though of the Benavidez is Canelo Alvarez. But we will see, hopefully if they win here, Canelo might give him the title shot that they wanted for so long as it seems that Canelo is avoiding them and just hiding on the reasons of Alvarez doesn't want to fight another Mexican.

It's pretty obvious that Benavidez badly wants Canelo because it's not only all the Super Middleweight titles are at stake here, but another title that is at stake here, and also a big title is the title of the greatest Mexican fighter, I believe Canelo Alvarez already achieved that and Benavidez wants to take that away.
And Canelo doesn't want this to happen, I'm sure Canelo is hoping that Andrade can upset Benavidez.

Not sure if Canelo doesn't want this to happen, up to this point of his career, he is looking for more challenges, although he is no longer that young, he can still fight anyone he wants and beat them. In the beginning I have my speculations that he doesn't want or is afraid of Benavidez, but maybe he just want David to accomplished something before giving him that chance and winning against Demetrius by give his ticket for a fight against Alvarez.

Quote from: coin-investor on November 04, 2023, 12:27:26 PM

And if Benavidez wins convincingly Canelo has no excuse not to fight Benavidez, the boxing organizations and the boxing community will demand it, and if this happens I have a feeling that this is going to be the biggest Mexican fight since the Barrera - Morales fight, it is a fight for Mexico's pound for pound fighter, and the Mexican boxing community will be a thrill to have this fight happen.

That's one thing with Canelo though he listens to his fans, and the boxing community and he knows that he is going to be criticized if he retire and not giving the young Mexican the chance. Who is he going to fight next at this division? Morrel? most of the fans haven't heard of that guy and it will not bring any to Canelo's legacy, except that low risk high reward.

Canelo has proven himself time and again in boxing he has beaten a lot of great champions and fighters but this Benavidez is one hell of a fighter every time I check his fight highlights on YouTube it gives me the idea that Canelo will have a hard time with this guy.

Benavidez just comes forward and imposes himself, he is the type of guy who wants to mix up, and engage and is ready to receive punches so he can give his own, of course Canelo can beat this guy but he should be at his best when he fights this guy.

Checking on the poll here :
Benavidez by KO - 10 (90.9%)
Benavidez by UD - 1 (9.1%)

Benavidez got 90% of the vote and he will have that huge advantage come fight night.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on November 04, 2023, 05:10:52 AM

I don't know though, but it seems that there are no trash talking so far leading up to the fight. On the contrary, even Benavidez Sr is giving all praises to Demetrius Andrade as one if not the best fighter that his son is going to praise. A Olympian and held belts in 154 lbs and 160 lbs.

I think the target though of the Benavidez is Canelo Alvarez. But we will see, hopefully if they win here, Canelo might give him the title shot that they wanted for so long as it seems that Canelo is avoiding them and just hiding on the reasons of Alvarez doesn't want to fight another Mexican.

It's pretty obvious that Benavidez badly wants Canelo because it's not only all the Super Middleweight titles are at stake here, but another title that is at stake here, and also a big title is the title of the greatest Mexican fighter, I believe Canelo Alvarez already achieved that and Benavidez wants to take that away.
And Canelo doesn't want this to happen, I'm sure Canelo is hoping that Andrade can upset Benavidez.

Not sure if Canelo doesn't want this to happen, up to this point of his career, he is looking for more challenges, although he is no longer that young, he can still fight anyone he wants and beat them. In the beginning I have my speculations that he doesn't want or is afraid of Benavidez, but maybe he just want David to accomplished something before giving him that chance and winning against Demetrius by give his ticket for a fight against Alvarez.

Quote from: coin-investor on November 04, 2023, 12:27:26 PM

And if Benavidez wins convincingly Canelo has no excuse not to fight Benavidez, the boxing organizations and the boxing community will demand it, and if this happens I have a feeling that this is going to be the biggest Mexican fight since the Barrera - Morales fight, it is a fight for Mexico's pound for pound fighter, and the Mexican boxing community will be a thrill to have this fight happen.

That's one thing with Canelo though he listens to his fans, and the boxing community and he knows that he is going to be criticized if he retire and not giving the young Mexican the chance. Who is he going to fight next at this division? Morrel? most of the fans haven't heard of that guy and it will not bring any to Canelo's legacy, except that low risk high reward.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on November 04, 2023, 05:10:52 AM

I don't know though, but it seems that there are no trash talking so far leading up to the fight. On the contrary, even Benavidez Sr is giving all praises to Demetrius Andrade as one if not the best fighter that his son is going to praise. A Olympian and held belts in 154 lbs and 160 lbs.

It's respect, the Benavidez knows that it's not going to be easy for them to win against Andrade. We might not like the resume of Andrade because he really hasn't face a name fighter during this prime years, however, who can't blame those boxers for not wanting to go after him? He is a smart fighter and that southpaw stance of him and his boxing IQ made it very difficult to beat him. And David take it as a challenge to be the first one since the Olympics to beat Andrade.

Quote from: Yaunfitda on November 04, 2023, 05:10:52 AM

I think the target though of the Benavidez is Canelo Alvarez. But we will see, hopefully if they win here, Canelo might give him the title shot that they wanted for so long as it seems that Canelo is avoiding them and just hiding on the reasons of Alvarez doesn't want to fight another Mexican.

That is the bigger fish right there. Canelo Alvarez, and just like Manny Pacman during his prime years, everyone wanted to fight Canelo because of the huge paycheck that they will get and besides, have the entitlement to be the one who beat Canelo. I don't think that Alvarez can hide on the reason. Sooner or later fans are going to clamour for that fight and he should give us the fights that we wanted to see from him.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on November 04, 2023, 05:10:52 AM

I don't know though, but it seems that there are no trash talking so far leading up to the fight. On the contrary, even Benavidez Sr is giving all praises to Demetrius Andrade as one if not the best fighter that his son is going to praise. A Olympian and held belts in 154 lbs and 160 lbs.

I think the target though of the Benavidez is Canelo Alvarez. But we will see, hopefully if they win here, Canelo might give him the title shot that they wanted for so long as it seems that Canelo is avoiding them and just hiding on the reasons of Alvarez doesn't want to fight another Mexican.

It's pretty obvious that Benavidez badly wants Canelo because it's not only all the Super Middleweight titles are at stake here, but another title that is at stake here, and also a big title is the title of the greatest Mexican fighter, I believe Canelo Alvarez already achieved that and Benavidez wants to take that away.
And Canelo doesn't want this to happen, I'm sure Canelo is hoping that Andrade can upset Benavidez.

And if Benavidez wins convincingly Canelo has no excuse not to fight Benavidez, the boxing organizations and the boxing community will demand it, and if this happens I have a feeling that this is going to be the biggest Mexican fight since the Barrera - Morales fight, it is a fight for Mexico's pound for pound fighter, and the Mexican boxing community will be a thrill to have this fight happen.

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I don't know though, but it seems that there are no trash talking so far leading up to the fight. On the contrary, even Benavidez Sr is giving all praises to Demetrius Andrade as one if not the best fighter that his son is going to praise. A Olympian and held belts in 154 lbs and 160 lbs.

I think the target though of the Benavidez is Canelo Alvarez. But we will see, hopefully if they win here, Canelo might give him the title shot that they wanted for so long as it seems that Canelo is avoiding them and just hiding on the reasons of Alvarez doesn't want to fight another Mexican.

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Reports surfaces that the undercard will include a non-title fight between Jermall Charlo vs José Benavídez Jr..

So this is the first time that we are going to see Jermall after a long layoff and see if he still has is (champ in recess). While Benavidez Jr wanted to also make a huge comeback. Slowly the undercard might turns out to be good for PPV as this is a big fight.

Date is official - November 25.

I'm excited for that undercard fight (Jermall Charlo vs Benavidez Jr.) as i want to see if Jermall have already overcome the health issues that he had because if he has a great performance against Benavidez Jr, money fights will come but if it will be a boring one then he needs for tune-up fights before facing big names like Canelo or Crawford in a championship fight.

That's the big question, whether Jermall has overcome his mental health issues because it's been like 2 years already since we last saw him in the ring if I'm not mistaken. And both brothers are really that good, dominating 154 lbs to 160 lbs. What's interesting though is that promoters seems to be leveraging everything on the brothers right now.

First it was Jermell who fought Canelo at 168 lbs so there's money for him already as that is a sweepstakes fight.

Now, Jermall is given his comeback fight against a tough fighter in Benavidez Jr. So they are being favored right now or they are just lucky that they are getting this huge fight. Although you can't blame promoters as they are the defending champion from super welterweight to middleweight right now.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on November 03, 2023, 04:54:41 AM

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Reports surfaces that the undercard will include a non-title fight between Jermall Charlo vs José Benavídez Jr..

So this is the first time that we are going to see Jermall after a long layoff and see if he still has is (champ in recess). While Benavidez Jr wanted to also make a huge comeback. Slowly the undercard might turns out to be good for PPV as this is a big fight.

Date is official - November 25.

I'm excited for that undercard fight (Jermall Charlo vs Benavidez Jr.) as i want to see if Jermall have already overcome the health issues that he had because if he has a great performance against Benavidez Jr, money fights will come but if it will be a boring one then he needs for tune-up fights before facing big names like Canelo or Crawford in a championship fight.

Yes mate, surprise to see the Jermall is finally back, but it's a question whether if he can still pull the trigger and specially if he is already mentally stable. It's also because his brother has lost to Canelo, so this might have a big effect on it. Could be positive as he will motivate again to comeback or it will have negative effect on his mind, so we will see.

And far as his opponent goes, we all know that the Benavidez brothers are one of those who are really tough. So it's going to be as exciting as the main card if not greater. I think Jr is not that boring though, he is as exciting as his brother, he just needs to be consistent though.

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 02, 2023, 03:05:47 PM

Reports surfaces that the undercard will include a non-title fight between Jermall Charlo vs José Benavídez Jr..

So this is the first time that we are going to see Jermall after a long layoff and see if he still has is (champ in recess). While Benavidez Jr wanted to also make a huge comeback. Slowly the undercard might turns out to be good for PPV as this is a big fight.

Date is official - November 25.

It's more exciting to watch the undercard than the main event if you check the voting poll here, members think that Andrade has no chance to win against Benavidez at 9-1, Andrade has been daring Canelo to fight but it seems it's not going to happen as Benavidez is such a big wall to overcome.
David is a huge monster, I'm 100% sure that he is the one Canelo is going to meet and if Canelo beats Benavidez Canelo can be considered the best fighter in the super middleweight in any era and Benavidez is the only fighter that stood to claim that title.

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 02, 2023, 03:05:47 PM

Reports surfaces that the undercard will include a non-title fight between Jermall Charlo vs José Benavídez Jr..

So this is the first time that we are going to see Jermall after a long layoff and see if he still has is (champ in recess). While Benavidez Jr wanted to also make a huge comeback. Slowly the undercard might turns out to be good for PPV as this is a big fight.

Date is official - November 25.

I'm excited for that undercard fight (Jermall Charlo vs Benavidez Jr.) as i want to see if Jermall have already overcome the health issues that he had because if he has a great performance against Benavidez Jr, money fights will come but if it will be a boring one then he needs for tune-up fights before facing big names like Canelo or Crawford in a championship fight.

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Reports surfaces that the undercard will include a non-title fight between Jermall Charlo vs José Benavídez Jr..

So this is the first time that we are going to see Jermall after a long layoff and see if he still has is (champ in recess). While Benavidez Jr wanted to also make a huge comeback. Slowly the undercard might turns out to be good for PPV as this is a big fight.

Date is official - November 25.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on October 14, 2023, 08:33:11 PM

Andrade's zero will most likely the one that will go away. He's much better during the height of his career. Props to him for keeping a perfect record all these years, but I think this will be the end of it. But it's going to be worth it because he will be fighting against a young star.

Yeah, most likely he wants to give the perfect record, more so of choosing the right fighter. But we should give credit to him as he was a 2 division champion as well. And what David said, he respects Andrade, but for sure he wants to defeat him and take that zero from him.

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Benavidez will probably overwhelm Demetrius with his commanding blows. He definitely won't allow him to have time to relax. Benavidez is a busy fighter. Demetrius will have to train really hard to be able to keep up with Benavidez. His age is a big disadvantage for him.

If you look at the tale of the tape, Benavidez has all the advantage, he is young, longer reach, has the higher knockout percentage. And that's why he is a big favorite in this fight. Maybe the stance of Andrade could be a problem for Benavidez early, but if he is really that great, he can adjust or maybe having a sparring partner that can emulate the southpaw stance of Andrade.

And for Andrade to win, he needs to take advantage of his southpaw as it may cause a problem for Benavidez. Of course, he needs a lot of movement so that he won't be cornered by Benavidez. So training hard to have that stamina if needed for a gruelling and hard 12 rounds.

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Andrade's zero will most likely the one that will go away. He's much better during the height of his career. Props to him for keeping a perfect record all these years, but I think this will be the end of it. But it's going to be worth it because he will be fighting against a young star.

Benavidez will probably overwhelm Demetrius with his commanding blows. He definitely won't allow him to have time to relax. Benavidez is a busy fighter. Demetrius will have to train really hard to be able to keep up with Benavidez. His age is a big disadvantage for him.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on October 14, 2023, 06:22:51 PM

After 15 years of being a pro, Demetrius Andrade will finally step up and face a real threat. Andrade has bounced around from promoter to promoter without ever really living up to expectations people had early in his career. I don't expect him to show anything different this time. Without much power to hurt Benavidez I don't think his awkward and lackluster style will be enough to win.

That's the thing with Andrade though, coming in he has a lot of hype, but unfortunately he didn't live up to his name coming from amateur background. Yes, he did win belts, but still he is not a household name in the US.

He doesn't have power as well for a southpaw and obviously David Benavidez is the bigger fighter here and has so much power.

And the last time I check, Andrade is 4:1 underdog.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on October 14, 2023, 06:22:51 PM

After 15 years of being a pro, Demetrius Andrade will finally step up and face a real threat. Andrade has bounced around from promoter to promoter without ever really living up to expectations people had early in his career. I don't expect him to show anything different this time. Without much power to hurt Benavidez I don't think his awkward and lackluster style will be enough to win.

Andrade will become an ordinary fighter for Benavidez he is very used to fighting fighters with no power and ring generalships he'll have to run and duck a lot when those rapid punches by Benavidez overwhelm him but again this is a good tune fight for Benavidez for his desire to fight Canelo fighting an undefeated fighter who also has a burning desire to fight Canelo.

Andrade once stormed Canelo's press conference and dared Canelo to fight him but of course, Canelo just ignored him as there were better fighters than Andrade that would attract more PPV sales, this is also Andrade's big chance to have a chance to meet Canelo in the ring.

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After 15 years of being a pro, Demetrius Andrade will finally step up and face a real threat. Andrade has bounced around from promoter to promoter without ever really living up to expectations people had early in his career. I don't expect him to show anything different this time. Without much power to hurt Benavidez I don't think his awkward and lackluster style will be enough to win.

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By the way, the undercard of this fight will also feature a must-see fight

Jermall Charlo will meet Jose Benavidez in the middleweight division this is Jermall Charlo's first fight after 2 years and five months, Jermall should be the one fighting Canelo but has to give way to his twin brother who eventually loses to Canelo, let's see if Jermall still has it after 2 years of inactivity, I still consider Jermall the heavy favorite in this match up.

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Jose Benavidez has never been the same since he was shot in the leg. He was somewhat competitive against Crawford many years ago. Now he is more of a gatekeeper. Benavidez doesn't move well with only one good leg so he should be an easy target to hit. The fight is tailor made for Charlo to look good. All he needs to do is win convincingly enough and he has a good chance to get picked as an opponent for Canelo. I don't think he deserves that fight but considering how successful his brother's fight against Canelo was, despite being a mismatch, it seems very likely.

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Quote from: Baofeng on October 13, 2023, 01:28:36 PM

Here is the kick off press conference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXgLd0gCEZY

No trash talking between the two, they give each other respect. Even the dad of David is giving credit for Andrade being a Olympic and a great boxer.

Hopefully this can live up to the hype. Two undefeated boxers, maybe the winner getting Canelo next for the undisputed belt. Let's see how David will respond against a southpaw in Andrade.

Yes, there is mutual respect between the two sides, however, we all know that during fight night, this two will like to try to get each other heads off so for sure at one point all their respect will be thrown out of the window. But I do agree that this is a great fight, as compare to Canelo picking up a 154 lbs champion and make him come in weight and fight in at his best at 168 lbs. Both Benavidez and Andrade are undefeated, both are champions, Andrade 154 lbs and 160 lbs and seems that no one wanted to face or avoided him.

But Benavidez really has some balls to call and willing to challenge Demetrius so this is going to be one hell of a fight. I do think and for sure everyone will agree that Benavidez has the advantage if terms of power here. But Andrade will pose a challenge because he is a lefty and very slick and moves a lot. While Benavidez is flat footed so he might have a hard time cutting the distance. But if Benavidez lands that one big punch, it might be over in an instant.

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Here is the kick off press conference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXgLd0gCEZY

No trash talking between the two, they give each other respect. Even the dad of David is giving credit for Andrade being a Olympic and a great boxer.

Hopefully this can live up to the hype. Two undefeated boxers, maybe the winner getting Canelo next for the undisputed belt. Let's see how David will respond against a southpaw in Andrade.

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Quote from: edmundduke on October 08, 2023, 08:08:42 AM

I usually only watch heavy weights but not going to miss this matchup and the following one with Canelo. I would say Benavidez probably will has an edge over Andrade, but you never know. This is a really high expectations fight for both of them but especially for Andrade as he is getting up there in age, will be interesting to see how he performs under such pressure.

You should look at other weight class as well, there are a lot of great fights below heavy weight division. D. Andrade is already old and maybe close to being shot as a fighter. So this is his last chance to proved that he can still fight at the very top specially against a young lion in David Benavidez. He also wants to target Canelo, so maybe the winner here could be next for Canelo. So we will see. And it will be great to see Mexican vs Mexican in Cinco De Mayo, the preferred date for Canelo to fight as obviously, it's Mexican holiday.

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Quote from: aioc on October 08, 2023, 09:33:55 AM

I am in awe of Benavidez's rapid punches they are crisp and hard for a big man, and he loves to go inside and impose his size and weight, Benavidez suffers his first knockdown against Gavril but it was a flash knockdown and he's not even hurt, there's no fighter that has dominated Benavidez he always dominate all his fight and I don't see why he cannot dominate Andrade.
I like to see a Canelo - Banvidez match than a Canelo - Andrade fight and I'm sure Benavidez will not fail the boxing community who expect him to knock out Andrade.

If we look at the recent video of Benavidez firing rapid punches, yeah, you will be at awe at his hands spend as a big man. And we have seen his doing that as well during in real fight. Not just the speed though, the power behind that punch is really very scary that if it hits someone, for sure he will either get knockout or David scoring that knockdown in that fight.

And it's very interesting what David's father said in Canelo vs Charlo, He said that the power of Canelo is no longer. Anyhow, it's really hard not to talk about Canelo vs Benavidez future fight though. That is what the boxing fans want, and hopefully in the bigger picture we will see that fight happening in the future and hopefully that Canelo is willing to fight another Mexican again to defend his belt and he has no other choice as well specially if the young David Benavidez won this fight.

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With the location change, David Benavidez (27-0, 23KOs) will now fight for the second straight time in Las Vegas and atop his second consecutive PPV event.

And on our poll here Benavidez unanimously gets the nod of the voters no one believes that Andrade can beat Benavidez.
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I am in awe of Benavidez's rapid punches they are crisp and hard for a big man, and he loves to go inside and impose his size and weight, Benavidez suffers his first knockdown against Gavril but it was a flash knockdown and he's not even hurt, there's no fighter that has dominated Benavidez he always dominate all his fight and I don't see why he cannot dominate Andrade.
I like to see a Canelo - Banvidez match than a Canelo - Andrade fight and I'm sure Benavidez will not fail the boxing community who expect him to knock out Andrade.

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I usually only watch heavy weights but not going to miss this matchup and the following one with Canelo. I would say Benavidez probably will has an edge over Andrade, but you never know. This is a really high expectations fight for both of them but especially for Andrade as he is getting up there in age, will be interesting to see how he performs under such pressure.

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^^ But as you have said, his inactivity might really affect him in this fight. And his inactivity is also a bit of controversial as he goes on the mental health issues, similar to what Ryan Garcia undergo. So we really don't know if he has overcome his personal issues that have kept him away from the sport over the last two years. So there is a big pressure on his shoulder since his brother has lost to Canelo. But in any case he has regain his confidence then this could be a 50/50 fight in paper and it's hard to predict who's going to win. The 2 defeat of Benavidez Jr, comes from the hands of Crawford and Danny Garcia. So it seems when he faces a great boxer, he lose that fight. But let's see how it goes for him vs Jermall.

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By the way, the undercard of this fight will also feature a must-see fight

Jermall Charlo will meet Jose Benavidez in the middleweight division this is Jermall Charlo's first fight after 2 years and five months, Jermall should be the one fighting Canelo but has to give way to his twin brother who eventually loses to Canelo, let's see if Jermall still has it after 2 years of inactivity, I still consider Jermall the heavy favorite in this match up.

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He has a good resume but I will say that Demetrius might have been in the sunset of his career, meaning that he could be in the downward path or past his prime. Of course during the course of the promotion we might see him like having rejuvenated his career. But he is close to getting knockout him by David Benavidez. Waiting to see what the odds are though in my crypto casinos, but I wouldn't be surprised if Benavidez will be like 3:1 favorite going into this fight.

And with that, I voted for: Benavidez by KO

Benavidez will be the heavy favorite, and I'm hoping that he will end it in a grand fashion like knocking out Andrade, so he can send out a message to Canelo that he should be taken seriously, honestly, Benavidez is the real opposition for Canelo, tough, imposing and huge always move forward and with power, Benavidez is every boxer's nightmare.

Benavidez will be the biggest test on Canelo's legacy and I don't see these two not meeting this year or next year, it's going to be a big event if they meet and could possibly become one of boxing's biggest events, I expect too much from Benavidez because the guy can really deliver.

I do agree, Canelo previously says that Benavidez needs to earn his shot at him. And maybe if Benavidez here will win big like a knockout or totally dominate a experience boxing like Andrade, maybe Canelo will consider him as his next opponent. Canelo though is running out of time and he almost had clean up this division for good. So he needs to fight someone with fresh blood and maybe Benavidez will be the one. So let's see, it seems that majority here sees David as the better boxer and so he wil be the favorite and hopefully win by a knockout and then calls out Canelo in the post fight interview.

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Quote from: Kemarit on October 07, 2023, 02:06:52 AM

He has a good resume but I will say that Demetrius might have been in the sunset of his career, meaning that he could be in the downward path or past his prime. Of course during the course of the promotion we might see him like having rejuvenated his career. But he is close to getting knockout him by David Benavidez. Waiting to see what the odds are though in my crypto casinos, but I wouldn't be surprised if Benavidez will be like 3:1 favorite going into this fight.

And with that, I voted for: Benavidez by KO

Benavidez will be the heavy favorite, and I'm hoping that he will end it in a grand fashion like knocking out Andrade, so he can send out a message to Canelo that he should be taken seriously, honestly, Benavidez is the real opposition for Canelo, tough, imposing and huge always move forward and with power, Benavidez is every boxer's nightmare.

Benavidez will be the biggest test on Canelo's legacy and I don't see these two not meeting this year or next year, it's going to be a big event if they meet and could possibly become one of boxing's biggest events, I expect too much from Benavidez because the guy can really deliver.

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Demetrius Andrade is only dangerous in numbers. Outside his spotless record, however, he's not anymore something that can threaten somebody like David Benavidez. Andrade is on his way out while Benavidez is at the top of his career. At least Andrade will bow down and have his first loss under the hands of a fighter like Benavidez. That's gonna be worth it.

Despite both being undefeated, betting ML for Benavidez won't probably be worth it, so perhaps I'll just go with a Benavidez win via KO no more than 10 rounds. Notwithstanding his 32-0 record, Andrade will surely be the huge underdog.

I totally agree Benavidez is hard to contain he just comes forward and throws punches at you, he is a volume puncher and very imposing with his size and movement you cannot stand toe to toe against Benavidez and not get hit his 23-knock out of his 27 wins speak how dangerous David is.

His size alone is really dominating at this division and he has a fast hands and power behind it. That's why I believed that he has a good chance to win against Canelo though or at least give Canelo a good fight like what Bivol did. He could be a heavy a a Light Heavyweight during that fight. So just imagine the power behind if he added more weight and rehydration close to his best version during his fight against Andrade or even Canelo.

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Demetrius is also good but he has not faced a fighter like David, David will only look at Demetrius as an ordinary fighter like David did to Caleb Plant, I'll watch the fight not because I'm excited to see who will win in the fight, its more on how David will overwhelm and beat Demetrius.
I'm sure Canelo will closely watch this fight, especially David because he will be his likely opponent.

He has a good resume but I will say that Demetrius might have been in the sunset of his career, meaning that he could be in the downward path or past his prime. Of course during the course of the promotion we might see him like having rejuvenated his career. But he is close to getting knockout him by David Benavidez. Waiting to see what the odds are though in my crypto casinos, but I wouldn't be surprised if Benavidez will be like 3:1 favorite going into this fight.

And with that, I voted for: Benavidez by KO

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In paper Andrade look to have a good chance against Benavidez. But David is very young and has a scary power in both hands. And so with this observation, I think Benavidez will go on to win either by unanimous decision or just knock the hell out of Andrade.

I'm expecting a lot of trash talk though, both are trash talkers so we might hear a lot of words trying to demoralized each other and trying to get to each other heads. But with Benavidez father behind, this is going to be interesting when they face off. And if David Benavidez wins here, he could be next for the great Canelo Alvarez as we have been also waiting for this fight to happen, most likely if everything works well with David, he will be next for Canelo in Cinco de Mayo, both Mexican warriors.

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Quote from: Darker45 on October 04, 2023, 08:26:01 PM

Demetrius Andrade is only dangerous in numbers. Outside his spotless record, however, he's not anymore something that can threaten somebody like David Benavidez. Andrade is on his way out while Benavidez is at the top of his career. At least Andrade will bow down and have his first loss under the hands of a fighter like Benavidez. That's gonna be worth it.

Despite both being undefeated, betting ML for Benavidez won't probably be worth it, so perhaps I'll just go with a Benavidez win via KO no more than 10 rounds. Notwithstanding his 32-0 record, Andrade will surely be the huge underdog.

I totally agree Benavidez is hard to contain he just comes forward and throws punches at you, he is a volume puncher and very imposing with his size and movement you cannot stand toe to toe against Benavidez and not get hit his 23-knock out of his 27 wins speak how dangerous David is.

Demetrius is also good but he has not faced a fighter like David, David will only look at Demetrius as an ordinary fighter like David did to Caleb Plant, I'll watch the fight not because I'm excited to see who will win in the fight, its more on how David will overwhelm and beat Demetrius.
I'm sure Canelo will closely watch this fight, especially David because he will be his likely opponent.

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This is a highly anticipated fight and is expected to be an exciting showdown. Both fighters are undefeated, have impressive records, and are known for their knockout power, aggression, and aspiration to fight Canelo.

Andrade is the more experienced fighter and is known for his slick boxing skills and ability to counterpunch. He will need to find a way to slow Benavidez down and use his boxing skills to outpoint him.

Benavidez is the younger and more aggressive fighter. He has a devastating right hand and is always looking to knock his opponents out. However, he will have to be careful not to get caught by Andrade's counters.

This fight is likely to be a back-and-forth war with both fighters looking to land their big punches.

I have Benavidez winning by knockout. He has the power to knock out anyone in the division. I think his power will be too much for Andrade to handle.

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Demetrius Andrade is only dangerous in numbers. Outside his spotless record, however, he's not anymore something that can threaten somebody like David Benavidez. Andrade is on his way out while Benavidez is at the top of his career. At least Andrade will bow down and have his first loss under the hands of a fighter like Benavidez. That's gonna be worth it.

Despite both being undefeated, betting ML for Benavidez won't probably be worth it, so perhaps I'll just go with a Benavidez win via KO no more than 10 rounds. Notwithstanding his 32-0 record, Andrade will surely be the huge underdog.

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Quote from: bittraffic on October 04, 2023, 11:04:23 AM

So Andrade is really serious. For a 35-year-old fighting someone in his prime and much more skilled than him, Andrade will lie flat on the ground.
His last fight was terrible. It was a KO but the ref called it slip https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8y_4r9VuNLM

With Benavidez, he can find an excuse to back out or he will just keep hugging Benavidez for the whole fight duration. Either that or Andrade will be KOed before his last hug and it's gonna be Canelo vs. Benavidez instead after this fight.

Although Andrade is unbeaten and has been a two-time world champion I don't think he can beat Benavidez, Benavidez is too dangerous guy to face he has a huge advantage in terms of size power, and speed he will be overwhelmed by Benavidez with his punches who is known to be a volume punches, but I don't rule out a knock out here since he has a good knock out percentage too.
Both fighter wants Canelo but Benavidez deserves Canelo more than Andrade.

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So Andrade is really serious. For a 35-year-old fighting someone in his prime and much more skilled than him, Andrade will lie flat on the ground.
His last fight was terrible. It was a KO but the ref called it slip https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8y_4r9VuNLM

With Benavidez, he can find an excuse to back out or he will just keep hugging Benavidez for the whole fight duration. Either that or Andrade will be KOed before his last hug and it's gonna be Canelo vs. Benavidez instead after this fight.

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Just saw this on my social media feed and David Benavidez is hard on training for his coming fight against Demetrius Andrade, the fight is still two months away but he knows what's at stake in this fight if he beats Andrade he will be the only one Canelo need to face, Demetrius Andrade also want a piece of Canelo too but he needs to overcome this big obstacle, the winner of this fight is 100% to be Canelo's next opponent.

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Venue: Michelob ULTRA Arena in Las Vegas
Date : November 25

Someone's 0 is going to go two of the top Super Middleweight who want to Fight Canelo for the Interim WBC super middleweight title this promises to be one hell of a fight as the two fighters prove to be the best fighters in their division the winner will likely face Canelo.

I'm sure the fight will end in a knockout as both fighters are known to be knock out artist s

I have Benavidez winning by knock out

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David Benavidez will face unbeaten former two-division titlist Demetrius Andrade in an interim WBC super middleweight title fight in the evening’s main event.

David Benavidez-Demetrius Andrade, Jermall Charlo-Jose Benavidez Jr. To Land On Nov. 25 SHO PPV In San Antonio

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