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Topic: Dear moderator of EXCHANGES it's impossible to tell users about scammers (Read 370 times)

legendary
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฿ear ride on the rainbow slide
When posting in threads where there are lots of spammers and scammers you have to be extra careful

There are people who patrol those threads and report multitudes of posts. If your post looks similar to a JAS (Just Another Shitpost) then it can get accidentally deleted.

There are also people that are part of the scam and spam team that will misuse the report functions to report on people that they want to silence - moderators delete thousands of posts daily so may not pick up it.  Scammers and spammers often have senior accounts that they haven't used for their scam or spam.

There are also situations where links included in anti scam posts can accidentally violate the rules.

So in order to prevent those scenarios make sure you familiarize yourself with the rules closely and make posts that clearly don't violate the rules.

In the past I had some well intentioned anti scam posts removed but have modified my posting behavior to prevent that from happening.

I don't use unnecessary or annoyingly large font or color. (Keep it moderate). I often use large images to increase the visibility of anti scam posts.

I don't repeat the same message anywhere else - I modify the message substantially so it is not considered a repetitive post.- Try to make it interesting, informative, amusing and entertaining at the same time


Below are the rules that are particularly relevant:

Red is my added comment.




1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads.

2. No off-topic posts. (Very important rule to follow) - scammer love reporting scambusters for this

3. No trolling. (Don't let them bait you)

4. No referral code (ref link) spam. (Make sure to remove referral codes from examples you post - or post is as code)

5. No link shortners that requires users to view an ad.

6. No linking to phishing or malware, without a warning and a valid reason.

8. No threats to inflict bodily harm, death threats.

9. Discussions in the main boards must be in english. All other language discussions should be posted in the appropriate Local board.

11. No linking to illegal trading sites.

12. No duplicate posting in multiple boards (except for re-posting it in the local language boards if it's translated). (Very important rule to follow) - scammer love reporting scambusters for this

22. Advertising (this includes mining pools, gambling services, exchanges, shops, etc.) in others threads' is no longer allowed, including, but not limited to, in altcoin announcement threads.  

23. When deciding if a user has broken the rules, the staff have the right to follow their interpretation of the rules. Try to analyse your own posting behavior before asking the moderator.

24. Advertisements (including signatures within the post area) in posts aren't allowed unless the post is in a thread you started and is really substantial and useful. Anti scam links can get mistaken for advertising - make sure the message is clear.

26. Local thread rules, if stated properly when the thread was started, specific enough and don't conflict with the forum rules, have to be followed. (Some threads have specific additional rules)

27. Using automated translation tools to post translated content in Local boards is not allowed.(Try to avoid that in the English forum too - google mistranslate makes messages look like spam)

32. Posting multiple posts in a row (excluding bumps and reserved posts by the thread starter) is not allowed. (Sometimes in a spam thread posts get deleted that can place your remaining posts in a consecutive order)

33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed. (Make sure you quote (with reference)  or provide a source reference if you are quoting something that someone else said)
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copper member
Activity: 168
Merit: 77
P.S. You CAN exchange crypto in Russia. I also can bet on that. Are you ready to defend your opinion with your money? Wink
I can offer you to bet with yourself
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.40544791
Here in Russia it's a problem that you don't understand if it is legal or not to do business with crypto...I'm personally looking for another jurisdiction =(

If you still flood in my topics, then both of your accounts more likely will go to the ban, my dear Russian friend.

If the administration needs proof that it is the same person, ask me, I'll show you.
full member
Activity: 308
Merit: 100
Hahaha, man are you ready to bet for their volume? For example for 50 btc?

P.S. You CAN exchange crypto in Russia. I also can bet on that. Are you ready to defend your opinion with your money? Wink
copper member
Activity: 168
Merit: 77
You are wrong about their volumes. You are naive Smiley I've spent 10 minutes with web analytics tools and I can bet their volume is much more higher.
You do not understand this area. You do not have to argue with me.

You are wrong about their volumes. You are naive Smiley I've spent 10 minutes with web analytics tools and I can bet their volume is much more higher.

Btw whats wrong with the legal scheme here?
For example (as I see it):
- they have legal entity in Belize
- they have legal entity in Russia operating development
- Belize and Russian company have signed development contract and Belize pays Russian company for development
- they really don't need a license for crypto exchanges if they do not provide their service to USA citizens (and some other countries like Northern Korea as I remember)
- doesn't matter where in fact the team is located
- I guess their servers are located somewhere in Europe so in fact the exchange takes place not in Russia
- they have terms of use and you accept it by using their site

Could you please point to any mistakes in my logic?
You can't exchange cryptocurrency in Russia. The power structures of Russia do not approve of this. You do not believe me? Soon you will learn this on a real example.
full member
Activity: 308
Merit: 100
You are wrong about their volumes. You are naive Smiley I've spent 10 minutes with web analytics tools and I can bet their volume is much more higher.

Btw whats wrong with the legal scheme here?
For example (as I see it):
- they have legal entity in Belize
- they have legal entity in Russia operating development
- Belize and Russian company have signed development contract and Belize pays Russian company for development
- they really don't need a license for crypto exchanges if they do not provide their service to USA citizens (and some other countries like Northern Korea as I remember)
- doesn't matter where in fact the team is located
- I guess their servers are located somewhere in Europe so in fact the exchange takes place not in Russia
- they have terms of use and you accept it by using their site

Could you please point to any mistakes in my logic?
copper member
Activity: 168
Merit: 77
This service operates about a year. Its strange you are the first to complain. The fact that you’ve sent fake ID, refused video call and now complain about the frozen money is funny.
They have never seen such a sum: 11 BTC. And of course they wanted to steal it right away. I am sure that over the year they earned less than this amount. Carefully evaluate their popularity and think about their actual daily volumes. It's nothing. I am sure that 99% of their exchanges do not exceed $ 100.
And of course why should they try to steal $ 100? They do not need so little. They need 70,000 dollars.

And they were lucky that I confused them with Changelly.


>fact that you’ve sent fake ID
This is the most correct thing I did! I TELL THE WORLD: never send these people your real documents!
Just because these people are NOBODY. Their activities in Russia are not legal. Sending your documents to such people is a crime against yourself.

Their Belize paper, bought for $ 1000, they can use to go to the toilet. Neither me, nor the Russian police, such a paper is not interested.

You my dear friend, think that everyone should believe a group of people who have a cheap website and who bought company in the cheapest offshore zone?

The fact is that I can buy one such company and one such site every day. Therefore, these people do not impress me.

So either they will do what I tell them (I just do not play by the rules of people who working illegally.). Either soon they will lose both their exchanger and their real company, in which they develop this exchanger https://evercodelab.com/

full member
Activity: 308
Merit: 100
This service operates about a year. Its strange you are the first to complain. The fact that you’ve sent fake ID, refused to make video call and now complain about the frozen money is funny.
copper member
Activity: 168
Merit: 77
ongoing investigation with authorities
I will not comment on this. I have only one question. Why are you all so naive?
Cunning Russian guys will steal everything from you, if you are so naive. (PS: I love Russians and Russia... but there are a lot of guys there ...  Grin )
full member
Activity: 308
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As far as I understand if there is ongoing investigation with authorities they are not allowed to post any details. This guy have sent fake ID at least once so I’m sure things are not as easy as described here.
jr. member
Activity: 69
Merit: 3
Hello! I am a rep for the service that the OP is trying to call out here.

I'd like to recap the situation from our side, point by point:

1. As a money services business, we comply with market standards and legal requirements that any legit exchange service must comply with, which obliges us to have AML and KYC implemented. This is clearly stated in our FAQ, our Terms of Use, and our Privacy Policy, and one automatically accepts them when using ChangeNOW.

2. The OP's activity was deemed suspicious by our risk management system. We asked him for his ID in order to pass KYC. He sent us a fake ID which prompted an investigation, during which his funds were placed on a cold wallet, only to be released when the situation clears up.

3. The only step of the investigation left is the video verification procedure. We asked the OP to participate in a video call with his real ID to complete the KYC procedure. He has refused to cooperate so far, has been sending accusatory messages everywhere, and sending us threats. Despite everything, we're always open for communication, are constantly talking with him through our support, and would be happy to release his funds after the video call.

The OP has created multiple threads here on the forums, has been harassing our service on other public spaces, sending us threats and completely refusing to cooperate. We ourselves would like this situation to be over already, but alas.

Have you considered getting this resolved with the help of staff by giving them solid proof confirming your authority and what you have claimed in almost all you posts here on this forum ? I understand that no one should believe false accusations against a service provider without any proof but you are using the same approach with the replies without any proof.
copper member
Activity: 168
Merit: 77
Hello! I am a rep for the service that the OP is trying to call out here.

I'd like to recap the situation from our side, point by point:

1. As a money services business, we comply with market standards and legal requirements that any legit exchange service must comply with, which obliges us to have AML and KYC implemented. This is clearly stated in our FAQ, our Terms of Use, and our Privacy Policy, and one automatically accepts them when using ChangeNOW.

2. The OP's activity was deemed suspicious by our risk management system. We asked him for his ID in order to pass KYC. He sent us a fake ID which prompted an investigation, during which his funds were placed on a cold wallet, only to be released when the situation clears up.

3. The only step of the investigation left is the video verification procedure. We asked the OP to participate in a video call with his real ID to complete the KYC procedure. He has refused to cooperate so far, has been sending accusatory messages everywhere, and sending us threats. Despite everything, we're always open for communication, are constantly talking with him through our support, and would be happy to release his funds after the video call.

The OP has created multiple threads here on the forums, has been harassing our service on other public spaces, sending us threats and completely refusing to cooperate. We ourselves would like this situation to be over already, but alas.
Oh god why are you so stupid? This thread is not about you. It's only about my posts. Stop posting absolutely identical message everywhere. Turn on your imagination





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Thank you moderators and users. Just tell me is my post not helpful (for people who want exchange 11 BTC)? If it is useful, then someone can return it, no? Or my logic is so bad that I understand the world so badly.

this platform removes restrictions of any kind by giving the users full control of what their funds,

Of course!  Grin
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/changenowio-evercode-lab-scam-illegally-holding-of-100-bch-11-bitcoins-4619534 (ChangeNow.io - Scam. Illegally holding of 100 BCH (11 bitcoins))


jr. member
Activity: 56
Merit: 1
Hello! I am a rep for the service that the OP is trying to call out here.

I'd like to recap the situation from our side, point by point:

1. As a money services business, we comply with market standards and legal requirements that any legit exchange service must comply with, which obliges us to have AML and KYC implemented. This is clearly stated in our FAQ, our Terms of Use, and our Privacy Policy, and one automatically accepts them when using ChangeNOW.

2. The OP's activity was deemed suspicious by our risk management system. We asked him for his ID in order to pass KYC. He sent us a fake ID which prompted an investigation, during which his funds were placed on a cold wallet, only to be released when the situation clears up.

3. The only step of the investigation left is the video verification procedure. We asked the OP to participate in a video call with his real ID to complete the KYC procedure. He has refused to cooperate so far, has been sending accusatory messages everywhere, and sending us threats. Despite everything, we're always open for communication, are constantly talking with him through our support, and would be happy to release his funds after the video call.

The OP has created multiple threads here on the forums, has been harassing our service on other public spaces, sending us threats and completely refusing to cooperate. We ourselves would like this situation to be over already, but alas.
sr. member
Activity: 1036
Merit: 273
Dear Moderator please tell me why my post was removed


this platform removes restrictions of any kind by giving the users full control of what their funds,

Of course!  Grin
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/changenowio-evercode-lab-scam-illegally-holding-of-100-bch-11-bitcoins-4619534 (ChangeNow.io - Scam. Illegally holding of 100 BCH (11 bitcoins))


Do you think that warning users about fraud is a flood?

Well, but are these obviously paid(by future tokens) posts not a flood?

This is a nice project...... It is really interesting and i will tell my friends about it to help spread the word.

this platform removes restrictions of any kind by giving the users full control of what their funds, help them change them cryptocurrency to the best available rates while making sure all transactions are safely secured and this is exactly what users want.



First I dont know if my words are helpful this is all base on my experiences and knowledge but Iam going say that, why is this deleted post important that you are complaining and gathering time to make a worth that your post should not be deleted?

So, here are the posible things why your post is deleted.

1. No one gets wrong if all person report or complain the same things saying that this post is a duplicate from others. Also even if you made a research you may or may not see it people the some words or in the construction of sentence is not the same as yours.

2. Also as I see you did not post any link but just to inform you that posting links(that is not related and they see that is not helpful)  without any -[ url ]<->[ /url ]- may couse the problem especially which may direct to phishing so in other words that the DTs website are keeping us safe or as base from what I know newbies with cooper member is  restricted from posting links. (read rules about cooper members) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/newbies-can-now-pay-a-small-fee-to-enable-images-2385104
 PS. posted links from other websites back than and poop banned for it.

3. The problem maybe that your post is not helpful and not worth it to share and read by other people.

4. Like number 1 plagiarism is not allowed even if it is your own work and you construct the sentence it may couse to deletion even of it is not your intentions to post it.

5. Never think or thought deeply  why because who am I to judge  the person who is higher than me.
global moderator
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It being your own thread is irrelevant. Edit the op with any additional info. If you posted the same back to back then that's probably why it was removed.
copper member
Activity: 168
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but there seems to have been a couple of uses complaining about a similar thing recently.
So please make a little investigation who send reports to my posts and why



There was one more post in my own topic
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--4647308
This obviously can not be a flood. Yes, this text is also in the starting post. But this is not a flood. New facts emerged and I created a new post, and also added these facts to the very beginning of the topic. This can not be a violation.

Very interesting discussion! Do you have any other ideas about how i’m being payed? =)
Nah you tell me, I am not the one working for scammers.

Really? So why this thread is the only serious thread you’ve been involved in?
Only offtopic, politics and “bitcoin is better than paypal” Smiley


Because your amazing intellect fascinates me. A scammer defending scammers and pumping his chest. It must be worth your while.

Good. Thank you for your opinion.

You bore me man, I thought you had better game. Now go suck on your pay masters.

Yes man, my kids also always win when we play =)


I feel sorry for them.

the site looks very legit

All scammers seem legit to their victims and changenow.io are no different.They are from operating Russia without a license, illegally, while doing their best to obfuscate that. Their exchange is unregulated, and they are a power unto themselves. In that regard, they can decide to do as they please with your funds and that includes keeping it for themselves.


global moderator
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All I know is I haven't removed them, but there seems to have been a couple of uses complaining about a similar thing recently. You're a Newbie so maybe a patroller removed them, or if you made back to back post that may also have been why.
copper member
Activity: 168
Merit: 77
You should raise these concerns through pm or official mail instead of making it public.
So he shouldn't be warning the users about the open scam accusations against ChangeNow?

I think he talk about PM to moderator (about my post deletion). He is right, but unfortunately the moderator does not respond to my messages.
legendary
Activity: 2758
Merit: 6830
You should raise these concerns through pm or official mail instead of making it public.
So he shouldn't be warning the users about the open scam accusations against ChangeNow?
newbie
Activity: 6
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You should raise these concerns through pm or official mail instead of making it public.
copper member
Activity: 168
Merit: 77
Dear Moderator please tell me why my post was removed


this platform removes restrictions of any kind by giving the users full control of what their funds,

Of course!  Grin
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/changenowio-evercode-lab-scam-illegally-holding-of-100-bch-11-bitcoins-4619534 (ChangeNow.io - Scam. Illegally holding of 100 BCH (11 bitcoins))


Do you think that warning users about fraud is a flood?

Well, but are these obviously paid(by future tokens) posts not a flood?

This is a nice project...... It is really interesting and i will tell my friends about it to help spread the word.

this platform removes restrictions of any kind by giving the users full control of what their funds, help them change them cryptocurrency to the best available rates while making sure all transactions are safely secured and this is exactly what users want.

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